This has become part of the political conversation now. People no longer think they simply emote.

I grew up in the 60′s. I saw JFK, RFK and MLK get assassinated. Our country is in a bad place when political leaders start getting shot. This is a symptom of a much deeper problem.

I think we all await that day.

The majority of what is said by the Left in politics, and a minority of what is said on the Right, is not designed to win a debate in the formal sense. That is to say that they do not seek to make an argument as defined by establishing a series of logically connected points backed by relevant evidence in order to support a conclusion or ideally convince their interlocutor of a position. They seek to drive their opponent from the field. To do this they will resort to any tactic, including threats and abuse. If you become so disgusted that you depart then they have won. Once they have unchallenged control over the forum then they can establish as Truth anything that they want.

The tactic is used by children or passive-aggressive manipulators. It is functionally the same as that of a disturbed derelicts on the subway who cultivate an offensive body odor and disheveled appearance while muttering rude or vaguely threatening things to themselves. Even ostensibly functional people, of the fearless lower classes, will sometimes say rude comments to themselves or a companion that are not formally directed at another passenger who is clearly being referred to.

In all these cases the intent is the same. It is to get other people to simply go away.

and I was not surprised at all to hear Mara Liason blame this horrible event on the heated rhetoric, which she implied was from the right. She said it was destructive to use terms such as nazi, communist, hitler, socialist etc. She conveniently forgets that the same heated rhetoric was used regularly, by her side, against Bush. Bush was burned in effigy, a hitler mustache was painted on his picture, he was called hitler and worse. He was constantly called a liar. It would have been nice if someone else on the panel would have reminded her of that.

what the heart feels, the mouth speaks. their hearts are currupt, and without their own understanding, they reveal their ungodly morality plainly and openly. he who has eyes, let him see… today is sunday, lets say a prayer for our enemies, while they slander us

Hate to say it but I fear we’re in for far more of the same (both the violence and the left scape-goating the right). We’ve built a system where ~50% of the people feel entitled to things earned by other people and will be brutally resistant to any restrictions on those so-called “entitlements.” At the same time, the other 50% is outraged at the overall conduct of the gov’t,, leadership, in general, and the spending binges being conducted with their proceeds.

I liken it to a fight. If you have only one side that’s interested in fighting (i.e. union goons vs. a run-of-the-mill protestor) that side will win every time in a short battle. Now we have two very “interested” sides so I suspect we will see very ugly acts from both sides for years to come.

IMO, it’s really pointless to obsess over the political leanings of these clowns except for the influence on the political landscape and that is a huge exception. For that reason alone, I think it’s absolutely critical to fight this tooth and nail, pointing out this loser has virtually no real ties to the tea party but significant noteworthy ties to left-wing ideology.

HF

It seems someone does not want others to see what they tweeted.

On another subject.
I was just watching an ABC clip of Caitie Parker talking about Loughner.
She has been quoted as recalling Loughner to be left-wing and liberal but somehow that did not make it into ABC’s report.

“As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.”

Must’ve been a simple oversight.

They’ve deleted the twitter posts in an attempt to sanitize their words and identities. Any excuse or convoluted reasoning will be used to bring people back into the fold. Truth will be twisted, deformed and remolded. Blame is paramount to regain the control over our lives.

Listen carefully those of you that espouse left leaning ideologies.
Listen carefully those of you that use the ideologies in a manner unlike the junkie needing their next mainline fix.

The people of this country have reached their limits.
You have been rejected like an unwanted suitor or violent spouse.
Any tactics or excuses to maintain the perceptions of “we will take care of you and give you everything” while beating us into submission will not work. We are not to blame for the climate of your perception of hate. The people you are vilifying are not unlike the abolitionists of old to end slavery in this country. They were also blamed and vilified for their desire that all people are free.

Divorce papers were served in the last election.
Rejection is hard to accept. We’ve rejected you because you are unworthy and have trampled the trust placed in you by some of the citizenry. There is no reconciliation to be had.
It will be finalized in 2012. Until then, keep your distance.
You’re an Ex for a reason.

This republic was not established by cowards; and cowards will not preserve it. ~~Elmer Davis

I am stone forged from the fires of creation into flesh ~~Pamela1631

The greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.~~Maj. L. Caudill, USMC (Ret.)

The Concord Project: Fighting for Freedom in the Fall

It doesnt seem conservatives are pushing back hard enough. There are some vile pols and reporters who should have a reckoning when the dust settles. Maybe people want to Giffords stabilizes. But there is hell to pay.

They cannot make a point or win an argument unless they have a dead body to stand on. From the Socialist riots to Kent State to this very moment, the left has made it their business to provoke violence in order to score points. And if they cannot provoke it, blame it on the right whenever it occurs.

With the slander that comes from the left every day, from the President on down, it is a wonder that someone actually associated with the right hasn’t yet snapped.

I believe that Obama’s demonization of Arizona gave this individual a green light to do whatever he wanted – Arizona and all its inhabitants are portrayed as sub-human by the left, so why not?

they themselves use the word “target” with respect to the Blue Dog Dems. Yesterday it was reported that Giffords was a Blue Dog, but, then I heard she was a progressive. I don’t know anything about Giffords.

The lefties are having a field day with the Republican use of the word “target”, and they are screaming about a map with Democrat targets on it. They are having a field day attacking Palin because she used the term targeting Giffords in the last election. Yet, they themselves have used the term with respect to some in their own party.

http://openleft.com/diary/15917/targetting-dems-in-2010

the Palin thing. Good in a way, another almost stunning insight into the boiling hate and real insanity of the left, people on the very edge.
That includes the media of course.
On Palin, guilt by non-association, so far not a wisp of a clue that the shooter was influenced by S P. This is more than a smear, this is a dangerous incitement to additional violence.
As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for.

is losing the argument. It’s attempt to blame senseless violence on the Right on every occurrence has the same effect on rational people as its now failed attempt to paint the Right as racist.

Just as rational people have seen the fallacy of Left screaming “racist”, they see the fallacy of the Left blaming the Right for violence.

The good result is that the lunatic Left continues to push the middle to the Right where they find sanity and reason. Does anyone really think a Tea Party supporter believes they are racist or violent? Of course not.

Let the Left and its media running dogs spew. The more they do, the more Right we become.

But then it is hard to find fault with an ally.

Dallas was tarred as a far right city responsible for JFK’s assassination, never mind that Oswald was a marxist.

. . .surrounded by dying men, all perfectly willing to drag us under to buy themselves another few seconds of life.

An entire ideology is finally coming apart at the seams, because it no longer has reason to exist. These next few years are going to offer the extremes in ugliness and vitriol that rise from the desperation of those just smart enough to realize they are going down for the last time.

I guess they are going to give “accessories to murder” a run now.

and for that matter many others, the left cannot counter the right with valid arguments promoting their philosophy. They then resort to personal attacks, unconstructive rhetoric, finger pointing at the wrong things, even out right lies. We’ve seen it time and again play out like this. It’s just so sad that this time it’s about a madman who left behind 6 dead and a total of 19 casualties. Instead of pointing fingers at Loughner, they play the Palin card, the tea party card, the whatever card. All of which, as usual, does nothing to cast a positive light on their political philosophy. Because, as usual, they can’t.

They can’t even find time to pray for the families left behind or those injured to have a quick and complete recovery. If they don’t pray, they can’t even find time to say “Sorry for your loss” or “I hope the recovery is quick”. They can’t seem to find time to wait for investigators to find out Loughner’s true motive.

It’s just another opportunity to blast the right for something no one on this side of the ditch has cause to be blamed for. That ditch now becomes even deeper and wider.

All because of a madman with a gun. I don’t view him as right or left, though I am aware of his leftist leanings. I view him as simply that, a madman.

political activists and pundits refuse to hold their tongues until more is known about the perps of crimes of this sort…because in many cases, it turns they crimes of this sort were committed by mentally ill individuals.

Sure enough, pundits like Liasson and even many others you might not expect at Fox, those at all the major networks, and of course, the loons at MSNBC, either stressed or outright blamed the “incendiary rhetoric” of the last two years” for fostering the crime. And, of course, they chose to blame only one side.

But I digress. My point is this: all evidence points to a guy who is probably bi-polar or schizophrenic. Neither illness is rare, Both are incredibly dangerous. This man’s rambling rants on his Facebook page, often contradictory, delusional, and illustrative of paranoia, has all the signposts of a man suffering from a biological malady called a mental illness where neurons simply cannot communicate in a typical way, where the person feels as if others are after him.

Everyone should have waited for the evidence to be compiled. Instead, everyone jumped to the conclusion they wished to embrace.

I was immediately struck by the idiocy of the county sheriff who as much as suggested that this guy and his actions were the product of tensions due to political issues in Arizona. His idiocy in not holding his tongue shows me that he’s not the best of our public servants. His words allowed the left pundits to jump to a conclusion they wished to be true.

Law enforcement, especially the prosecution, is especially loathe to ever consider that severe mental illness is the “motive” for crimes of this type, for fear that such a conclusion will lead to lesser sentences in court. Both the left and the right have a habit of doing the same thing.

Watch. This guy will turn out to be a schizophrenic, but law enforcement will do all in its power to keep that word out of the mix.

He had been at earlier rallies? Seems to be breaking news, let’s see.
If so did Sarah Palin arrange the invitation?
If so so, this lib hate exercise will drop faster than the 1963 “Dallas City of Right Wing Hate” thing once Oswald turned out to be a marxist.

It’s fascinating to watch this sick journey into the warped mind of American liberalism.

And I’ve still got a little outrage left.

how conservative activits are being portrayed. They need to know we are out there and still want our concerns represented. We are not shrinking back and neither should they.

Take as much control as you can over the debate when discussing with friends, families, aquaintances.

Now is not the time to be defensive, but it is the time to be offensive. We should not blame anyone, but the shooter. Point out the hypocrisy of the left (treatment of GWB, the not rush to judgement over Ft. Hood vs. this blame the tea party, coverage of army recruiter’s death vs. Tiller abortion doc death, etc.)

Anyone that has ever dealt with a truly mentally ill individual has no business blaming this event on Palin or anyone else. Mental illness is hard to understand if you have no experience dealing with somoene who is ill. If this had been a republican congresswoman, we would be learning a lot about mentail illness today.

Hopefully the general populace will see through the MSM hate speech.

This is just one of the false flags needed to push for more gun control and they won’t stop. The left will keep finding more useful idiots.

While Pundits Point Fingers, Mexico Crumbles

http://www.practicalstate.com/?p=4525

Cheers

On CNN this morning, Candy Crowley asked Sen. Lamar Alexander about Sarah Palin’s “crosshairs” graphic. He seemed aggravated by it. I found the question disturbing as well. Alexander responded with a statement that I think could help let that day come; “I think the way to get away from it is for you not to be talking about it.”

Wow so we get to look forward to every shooting being blamed on the right. The irony is that it appears to me conservatives demonstrate a lot more tact and compassion for tragic events than liberals…I mean let’s see the day that Cheney dies how much of that stuff you’ll see on left wing blogs.

Anywho I think they are just trying to make us crazy and I guess it’s working.

It is hilarious and sad and suprising but not super suprising. It’s more surprising that the mainstream media is running with it more than left wing news sources. I am completely baffled.