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Mission accomplished, Markos Moulitsas.

By: Moe Lane (Diary)  |  January 15th, 2011 at 09:15 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

The Left gets its violent responder to hate speech, after all: the only problem is, from their point of view he’s aimed the wrong way.

I started following the saga of J. Eric Fuller a couple of days ago: the short version is that he was one of the victims of the Tucson attack of last week that killed six people and nearly killed Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. Despite the fact that the consensus is, from the President on down, that harsh political rhetoric had nothing to do with the attack (the shooter is generally conceded to have been motivated by violent paranoid schizophrenia, not political beliefs), Mr. Fuller has made a name for himself by declaring that the right wing is responsible for the attacks, to the point where he is calling for Sarah Palin’s arrest for treason. And I was going to let all of that go: the guy did get shot*, he was a hardcore Democrat beforehand – and, honestly, Fuller didn’t sound all that much different than this fool (more here) or this fool or the fools found here (and see here for much, much more). Free speech is free speech, even when the guy’s cynically milking the fetishes of the Left, am I right?

Except that Mr. Fuller wasn’t being cynical. He really, truly believes what he’s been told by the netroots; which is why he’s under arrest tonight for making actual, public death threats against Trent Humphries, who was not involved with the Tucson attacks in any way, shape or form but who is the president of the Pima County Tea Party. Mr. Humphries has, in fact, been getting death threats all week; this was just the first time it was done in a fashion that the media couldn’t ignore.

Now, this sort of intimidation will of course not stop Mr. Humphries; unlike some groups, the Tea Party is not made up of mostly cowardly scum. But it is fascinating to see that, after a week of the Online Left’s increasingly-shrill insistence that unwise speech leads to threats, it turns out that possibly it does… if you’re talking about the weak-willed wretches who actually take certain members of the Online Left seriously as a moral, ethical, or intellectual movement. Which is fortunately not very much of the population – but it only takes one programmed dupe, doesn’t it?

- At least, that was what we kept getting told.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

PS: I won’t ask the netroots if they’re happy, now – pretty much because I dread that the answer will be ‘Yes.’ Or just a strangled hoot of pleasure.

*I’ve never been shot: I don’t have any real frame of reference for how much and how long having been shot affects your judgment and behavior.

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  • edwyrd

    a real joy to surf redstate!

  • RSSS

    was treated for a relatively minor wound & released from the hospital a couple of days after checking in. It looks like he was already an angry Democrat, & being shot made him even angrier, and likely crazier as well.

  • edwyrd

    when does one ever get the chance to be in the national spotlight? if he plays it right he can be a “celebrity” and maybe get a gig on a new reality show. where they put a lib and a conservative on an island and the lib, fuller, can accuse the conservative of raising the ocean levels by driving an suv, and the conservative can drown the dumb SOB

  • jeepingeoff

    ….to describing this. The leftists’ world is crumbling before their eyes and they know it. The comments on Huffpo are priceless. Liberalism truly is a mental disorder. I hope Humphries doesn’t back down and puts the screws to this guy.

    Looking forward to talk radio on Monday………:-D

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    including this very public one by Fuller? Yep, I can still hear the crickets, at least so far. “Blood libel” brought a much stronger response.

    But that’s the left, whacha gonna do? Me, I’m not getting my expectations up for them to follow their own calls for a #NewTone. But the longer they let stuff like this go without objection, the more it proves to me they just want the right to shut up, whether or not someone on our side actually does or says something wrong.

  • earlgrey

    was over the top. Now I don’t.

    At the very least it is a coping mechanism for unstable and bitter people.

  • carolina

    gottem media attention by going to the shooter’s parents home: “to forgive them”.
    Another lib wack-job.
    And, now, ABC has to decide whether to show this part of the film. I guess we will find out tomorrow………

  • level32

    I definitely agree that the left has been a bit quick to jump to the conclusion that Palin and the Right’s political anger and rhetoric were at the base of the shooting in Tucson. I can’t say with any certainty that the heated political rhetoric caused this shooting, but I don’t doubt there will be a shooting attributed to the senseless and unfounded rhetoric from the left and the right…I just can’t say which side is going to be behind the trigger.

  • powertothepeople

    for all on the right, especially those who are politicians, are members/leaders of the Tea Party, and those of us who get involved in rallies and such to be fully prepared to use lethal force when confronted by the left. We should be ready to punch as hard and as fast as we can so that we have the split second to draw our weapon. The left is right, the rhetoric has gotten much worse, but they are wrong as to what side it is coming from.

    We have to understand they hate us with a searing passion. While the majority of them would not kill us, I would dare say that a majority of them would assault us and when you add in the group mindset and pressure, the ones who would not usually act that way, would get involved. Our beliefs have become a necessary liability and we need to understand that the time is coming soon where we will be attacked just for believing the way we do. Being a republican or better yet, a conservative, is the new Christian. And as in countries where killing a christian is acceptable, our country is heading that way with republicans/conservatives.

    All of us need to exercise our 2nd amendment right, apply for a concealed permit, keep our guns on us at all times, learn to shoot it well, and most importantly, be prepared to use them to defend ourselves or another fellow republican who is in harms way.

  • powertothepeople

    Very nice and informative post Moe.

  • kevnad1966

    This guy Fuller must be in a partial coma; not wise enough to realize the guy that shot him was one of his “buds”, at least by political beliefs if not by party affiliation…………. what a goob

  • Bill S

    but I did read that book, and I thought it was good. The title alone is one of the great truisms in politics.

  • Kudzu

    The Arkham Asylum known as MSNBC, specifically Ed Shultz will comment on this…

  • Bill S

    I sense concern in this one.

  • bobmontgomery

    …more and more and more opportunities to join hands, like the suggestion that the Republicans mingle with the Dems at the State of the Union. Bipartisanship, dontchaknow? The House Majority leader, McCarthy, has already said he’s up for it. There will probably be t-shirts on the back of the chairs for the Republicans to dutifully put on.. As he did with Health Care, Obama will invite the Republican leadership to the White House for a meeting and instruct them to tell him what parts of his amnesty program they agree with.

  • gekster

    I read a comment on HP where someone thought that the Townhall meeting was a gun rally.
    That why shouldn’t he go crazy after being shot by someone inflamed by the right wing kooks.
    I posted that it was something cooked up by ABC,
    and Christine Amanpour was hosting.
    I posted a paragraph from a local news station (9) about what the meeting was for, and that you can’t change the facts of the meeting.
    It never made it to the comments.
    But all the other comments about evil Republicans, gun toting Tea Partiers, (my words, not thiers), calls for the assasination and such of the usual suspects, and so on were displayed promonently.
    No mention of the week long death threats to the head of the Tea Party.
    I see the left is really trying to “tone” it down.

  • smagar

    Didn’t Politico background-check this guy?

  • JadedByPolitics

    I challenge you to bring to this site ANY links to ANYONE in the Conservative/TEA Party Movements that show ANY violence. I will be waiting for an eternity because there is NONE but I will give you a good link to show the violence of the left The Left Has A Long History Of Violence

  • swami7774

    …they will be consigned to the media dustbin of history, along with the magazine formerly known as Newsweak.
    Anyone wanna bet ABC cuts this incident as “irrelevant” ?

  • gekster

    I’m calling them llorts. (yorts)

  • carolina

    Now I get “the last laugh”. hee hee Thanks for the reminder!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Just look at how Bill did it. :)

  • alvin691

    I think what happened is that 24 hour MSNBC coupled with mild sedatives and lots of time on your hands to write on hospital napkins may actually be inhumane punishment.

  • alvin691

    Politico has NOT posted a story on their front page from what I can see from their cluttered format about this new news story. Once I dug through the old story of Fuller and Democracy NOW! (how very ACORN of them) the most recent comments are glorious.

    The best one was simply “TILT”

  • reddog53

    From the looks at your profile, you have been here a very short time. From the content of you posts, it seems obvious that you are trying to promote a confrontational, violent response to our opposition.

    The use of deadly force that you are suggesting above really has no place in discussions about politics.

    Even when ‘confronted by the left,’ I can think of very few cases where the rational thing to do would be to disengage and walk away. Pulling out a pistol to respond to being yelled out is just not justified.

    As I understand the law, use of deadly force is appropriate only when there is a reasonable expectation that your own life is in danger. If I were at a political discussion or town hall and had that feeling, I would simply leave.

    If a couple hundred folks showed up at my house, as one of the unions did last year at a banker’s house, that would most likely be a different story. But that isn’t what your post is about — so I think you need to pause and re-set your approach.

  • runner12

    not get any more tragic and bizarre. Where is the Left’s outrage? Where is their ire? You can bet if someone had done this who even sneezed in the direction of a Tea Party it would be front page news. But I guess I should know by now that the word “hypocrite” and “liberal/progressive” are synonymous with one another.

    My oh my, how their lies have backfired on them. I am just glad no one was hurt.

  • reddog53

    In other words, if the situation is that heated, withdrawing is the better course.

  • alvin691

    Is piling on bad sport?

  • Michael Dugas

    but I was frowned on. …sigh…..

  • izoneguy

    Get him off the streets now. No telling what a guy in is condition could do.

  • nohype

    A voice of sanity from the Left: Charles Blow in the New York Times refers the hysteria following the Tuscon Massacre as “The Tuscon Witch Hunt.” Witch hunts by their very nature are inflammatory and provocative. It should be no surprise that as the result of this witch hunt, the peasants of the Left want to burn some people.

    I think the term “witch hunt” fits very well here, and should be used over and over again to characterize what we saw happening on the Left and in parts of the media.

  • throwback59

    an extremist) and MSNBC need to tone down their rhetoric. These left-wingers constantly spouting off have pushed someone who is mentally on the edge, over it. They have fostered a climate of hate and need to change their evil ways.

  • carolina

    Besides, I could not find my original post to ‘quote’ and ‘rub in’. Some of the recent comments are fun to read. I sure would like Krugman to be forced to apologize. Fat chance.

  • jeepingeoff

    ….Savage kind of bores me as I never really learn anything from his show, but his definition of Liberalism is spot on. I can only imagine BHO’s initial reaction to this story………”D’oh!!!!!”

    Marxist spin merchants gonna really start earning their money tomorrow…….

  • carolina

    ….. which means their ‘special’ tomorrow will probably NOT show it. I’ve seen other networks do the same thing = small clip on local 11 PM news, but no mention on prime time news.

  • traversecityconservative

    They published a story about this guy blaming Sarah Palin and everyone else on the right. They “elevated” him and gave his credibility and the next thing you know, the psycho lib is arrested for a death threat. The true crazies are on the left and the MSM promotes them. My answer to “tone down the rhetoric” is kiss-my-you-know what!

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    And cowards and bullies both hate the thought of being fought back against.

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    Everything is somebody else’s fault even if they’re caught on camera doing it.

  • powertothepeople

    as you do it poorly.

    And do you and your kind ever grow weary of the whole been here a short time nonsense. Has not been that short of a time…and it matters little if it was. Does a date on a blog make you smarter, right more often, more conservative? Does a longer period of membership on a blog make you smarter, right more often, or more conservative?The answer is no, so stop the silliness!

    Then you say this,

    “From the content of you posts, it seems obvious that you are trying to promote a confrontational, violent response to our opposition.”

    Please show where I have suggested any type of violence towards anyone do to politics or anything else outside of this post which still did not suggest or encourage violence. Or do you just say things just to try to make a point? Sure seems that way as the line you posted above is pure nonsense.

    Never, and I repeat never, did I suggest, infer, say I would, or any other phrase you want to put there, tell you or anyone to pull a gun over yelling. So step off with that nonsense. Moe’s post dealt with the increasing violent rhetoric coming from the left and I very clearly stated that they were calling for our death, assault, knocking our heads off, etc. This is not yelling, this is harming us. If you could not tell the difference…..not my problem, but save your sermons for other people. Never have I ever in my life suggested violence for speech, and I did not start here.

    Now if you are finished with your nonsense, I am going to go back to reading some well written pieces.

  • SoFiMil
  • sharonmcp

    NY Times

    Mr. Fuller was also involved in a confrontation on Jan. 8, shortly before the attack on Ms. Giffords, which occurred at an event she held for her constituents outside a Safeway supermarket. He said in a long interview last week with The New York Times that he had argued there with a man he described as a former Marine after a heated discussion over politics. Gabriel Zimmerman, an aide to Ms. Giffords, separated the two.

    Mr. Zimmerman was killed in the attack later that morning.

    Mr. Fuller spoke dismissively of Republicans during the interview. ?They appeal to simple-minded rednecks,? he said.

    He said that he had had trouble sleeping after he was wounded and that he calmed himself the first night by writing down the Declaration of Independence, which he had memorized three decades earlier.

    In the first days after the attack, his anger seemed especially strong. In the interview, he repeatedly denounced the ?Tea Party crime syndicate,? and said he placed some of the blame for the shooting on Sarah Palin and other Republican leaders, saying he believed they had contributed to a toxic atmosphere.

    He said he had expected to see protesters at Ms. Giffords?s event, and had planned ?to shout them down because I can make a lot of noise.?

  • http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

    I would say Markos Moulitsas’s plan “backfired”, but then again I wouldn’t want him to take me literally.

  • speciallist

    this is not very #newtone of you..

    and those of us who get involved in rallies and such to be fully prepared to use lethal force when confronted by the left. We should be ready to punch as hard and as fast as we can so that we have the split second to draw our weapon

  • powertothepeople
  • butterflymcqueen

    all human life is valuable—
    conservative people who are living true to their beliefs
    liberal people who are living true to their beliefs,,
    people who threaten human life should be contained and treated for mental illness, as provided by law. that is the basis of a civil society.

  • jccbin

    Right here! Step up Step up! Plenty for everyone!

    Over there for the crosshair bumperstickers. And down there for the Bullseye targets. Ohh, and the human outline targets are around the corner.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx
  • tcbaz

    Time will tell but I have a funny feeling this guy wasn’t at the Safeway.

  • http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

    Somebody buried that story way down the page over at Politico. It was the top headline, complete with pictures of Palin, Beck, and Angle, just a minute ago. Quite embarrassing for them.

  • sharonmcp

    ‘he didn’t really say, “you’re dead”, he said “you’re Dead to me”.

  • Doc Holliday

    but only for ratings. Seems they will have to wrestle with two competing loves.; Ratings/exploitation vs. trashing conservatives.

  • gekster

    “Never, and I repeat never, did I suggest, infer, say I would, or any other phrase you want to put there, tell you or anyone to pull a GUN over yelling. ”

    To some one who called you on saying this:
    “It may very well be time for all on the right, especially those who are politicians, are members/leaders of the Tea Party, and those of us who get involved in rallies and such to be fully prepared to use LETHAL FORCE when confronted by the left. We should be ready to punch as hard and as fast as we can so that we have the split second to draw our WEAPON.

    So which statement do you stand be, because you can’t stand by both.

    Oh, and everybody knows the longer you have been here means the more conservative you are.
    Didn’t you know that?

  • Scope

    the Libs say about the Fuller arrest on the Sunday morning talk show circuit. Wallace better bring it up, and probably will. The rest, you’ll have to let me know. I don’t watch them.

  • streiff

    my advice is to never again make a statement like this on RedState.

  • izoneguy

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/15/abc-world-news-reports-threat-its-tucson-town-hall-omits-it-was-made-

    As NewsBusters previously reported, a survivor of last week’s Tucson shootings issued a death threat to a Tea Party member Saturday in the middle of a taping for a town hall meeting to be aired on ABC’s “This Week.”

    For some reason, ABC World News Saturday in its report about the gathering chose to omit the seriousness of the threat and that it was made to a Tea Partier

  • powertothepeople

    the whole message, not just the opening paragraph. The story written by Moe deals with heightening rhetoric including death threats which the guy was arrested for, I went on to talk about how they openly call for our assault, death, stabbing, knocking our heads off, etc.

    So I can stand by both, as it did not cal for violence nor did it call for us to attack over yelling/speech. It is a simple warning that things have gotten much worse, their side wants us to die, and we need to be prepared to keep ourselves alive if and when the rhetoric elevates to violence from their side.

  • jdw4america

    allow me to help you. The left will be behind the trigger. How do I know? Well, if I had no historical evidence, you could call it a hunch. Since I do, starting with mr. hopey-changy, the calls for street fighting, ass kicking, assassinations, torture, rape and violent rioting in the streets (I’m not talking the 60′s, I’m talking March 1, 2011,) can definitively be placed at the feet of the left.

    Glad I could straighten that out for you.

  • sharonmcp

    In several TV and newspaper interviews he said he drove himself to the hospital.

    Yet in his Democracy Now interview he said this…

    I was in shock, and I just wandered out into the parking lot. And a woman was pushing a cart full of groceries out there. And I said to her, “I?ve been shot.” And she just looked at me like I was crazy. I was taken to the hospital. And even though I was sedated and everything, I stayed up?I was staying up, stayed most of the night.

  • rasvar

    I wonder if ABC will show it or edit it out when they show their little town hall on tv.

  • carolina

    Their mention made ti sound like it could have been the fault of the TEA partier. (a conclusion that many average viewers might jump to because of all of the other propoganda that has been put out there) I found it sleazy reporting.

  • swami7774

    …at the very end of the show. Fuller was identified as a victim who directed a threat at a Tea Party guy.
    The admission was made through clenched teeth.

  • Doc Holliday

    they never mentioned Tea Party guy, they never showed him take the picture and say “you’re dead”, they did not show him call the audience whores, and they only mentioned he was charged with a misdemeanor.

  • swami7774

    They certainly did mention the threat was directed at a Tea Party member.
    ABC did not, as you wrote, mention the “you’re dead” part or the “whores” comment…but then, I never claimed they did.
    Reread my post.

  • romeg

    They are congenitally incapable of happiness. That is why they are Netroots.

  • lineholder

    for psychiatric evaluation.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-arizona-shooting-threat-20110116,0,1503895.story

    And yes, I think it probably is warranted in this case, but it causes me to wonder if perhaps it will open the door for other types of involuntary commitments.

    Other nations do use this as a way to silence their opposition, don’t they?
    Fuller isn’t the opposition in this case, but a means to an end is a means to an end, right? Put the precedent out there and then run it for what it is worth?

  • CJB68

       Going through experiences like getting hit by a bullet can have a way of telling you whether the one experiencing the bullet wound is an adult or a child.  Fuller’s response tells me that he is a child.  Get hit, lose self-control and start going berserk.  If someone doesn’t pull this guy aside to tell him that terroristic threatening will now be considered illegal no matter what political side you’re on, he could be considered a threat in another fashion.

       I’m getting the feeling that the Left in America is starting to become dangerously psychotic.  It’s a matter of time before the shooting war begins.  I have a good idea as to who will fire the first rounds.

  • CJB68

       Spot-on.  It’s a mental disorder akin to the sort of schizophrenia that drove Jared “Loner” to take a semi-automatic to a rally and turn it into a shooting gallery.  Bless the people who behaved as adults in this and just took the guy down, and who’ll try and get justice for those he killed, crippled, or wounded.

       If the Left is so hellbent on calling those of us opposing their Utopian schemes “Nazis” and calling for us to be pushed around, shot, or otherwise intimidated for doing so, then they can face the consequences.  They turn the other way when the violence is committed by one of their pet anarchists (*), but almost always try to peg the blame on their mythical “Right-wing Extremists”.  Usually calling legitimate speakers of the cause such as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or Sarah Palin such (and worse).  In the meantime, people bleed and die.

    (* I read in a couple of books recently where the anarchists were the favored stooges for the Communists in Russia’s 1917 revolution, and for Adolf Hitler’s own dirty-work in his rise to power in Depression-era Germany.  I figure it’s the same for our own radical Leftists seeking absolute power.  Don’t let them get away with it!)

  • CJB68

       I wonder, though, if Fuller will walk out of it like the Loner did, weeks before he went on his shooting rampage?  I think these “involuntary” measures aren’t really enforced in Pima County, AZ.

  • proudmarinemom

    a) He was shot at the Safeway;
    b) He was shot by Jared Loughner;
    c) He was seen at the hospital;

    This guy could well be an accomplice, for all we know. His attempt to visit the Loughners to “forgive” them (with an entourage of media lemmings filming him) sounds like Kabuki theater.

    Start asking tough questions.

  • proudmarinemom

    Part of my post was dropped:

    This should have read:

    “There is no evidence to support his claim that:
    a) etc. “

  • JadedByPolitics

    kind of strange that isn’t it? I mean why does someone get up in that chaos and not help those around him but gets in a car and drives himself to the hospital…..weird, weird, weird.

  • proudmarinemom

    This guy will turn out to be a friend of Jared Loughner’s or it will turn out that he faked his injury, etc.

    I don’t believe he is a victim.

  • proudmarinemom

    all night. I wrote down the Declaration of Independence. Then I wrote down ‘How many other demeted people are out there? It looks like Palin, Beck, Sharon Angle and the rest got here first target.”

    “Then I rode on a comet to the Planet Nebali and had ice cream.”

    (That last sentence may be an exaggeration due to the license taken by this poster. However, it fits.)

  • earlgrey

    Libs over at TPM are making excuses and defending this guy Fuller.

    Ok guys, Rhetoric is back in Vogue.

  • defendourfreedom66

    Don’t you wonder how so many people in this country, where people have access to basic education, higher education, and all of the information available in dozens of magazines, newspapers, and internet news and information sites; all of this available to gain knowledge, and yet there are so many Liberals that don’t have a clue to the truth about anything political. They now are so far left that we cannot just laugh at them for being silly Liberals–they are Marxists, socialists, and communists. The websites and publications from communists and socialists don’t deny this–they are proud of the democrats they’ve turned into raging Marxists who act like the Communist Manifesto is their Bible. It dates back to Dewey and the NEA in the ’20s. He went to the Soviet Union and fell in love with their education system. The next thing that happened is our geniouses at the NEA have adopted communist ideology and have been indoctrinating students with socialist garbage. This is why so many teachers and people who have pursued higher education, depending on the course of study and university one has attended, turn out to be actual socialists and communists. These are the people believe the kind of nonsense that’s being spread since the shooting in Tucson. They are irrational people who have a hatred for Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, Christians, and conservatives in general. When they get to that point, where they have irrational hatred and cannot be reasoned with, they will probably never be able to accept reality. It would probably be necessary to seek professional psychiatric counseling to break through the brainwashing they’ve accepted as the truth. People who have lived under communist tyranny have a much easier time rejecting Marxist ideology because they’ve lived under it and know it’s a lie. We have a major problem in this country and it won’t be easy to fix.

  • davesinsanantonio

    “they want the right to shut up”

  • davesinsanantonio

    to continue:
    Re: “they want the right to shut up”–They have the right to shut up, they just refuse to exercise it. They want the Right to shut up too, but we will not. Our cause is too important to us and to our posterity to let them have the center stage without a whisper!

  • gretske

    Before the tragic shootings in Tucson, the 20% or so of Americans on the far left were becoming more frantic as the majority of Americans were rejecting their political philosophy. They were particularly galled when Obama, and other lefties, were properly called socialists or communists.

    The tragedy has has given the left a way to deflect the dialog away from the real issue, which is that America wants free enterprise and freedom from government intrusion in our lives, to a dialog on civility.

    I sincerely hope the newly elected Republicans in Congress do not lose sight of what they were elected to do, end the drift to socialism/communism.

  • davesinsanantonio

    counter any disagreements. They are unwilling to listen to anything they have not already said. Their belief is that if they haven’t already said it, it must be false or irrelevant. They cannot countenance any deviation from their own blind acceptance of their own rhetoric. And, if we persist in disagreeing with them then they often turn to violence–the last refuge of the incompetent.

  • davesinsanantonio

    What else did you expect???

  • wtbrewer

    If there are political points to be made in the Jared Loughner incident they ought to include the obvious observation that the political left is using the story to project its own malice, motives, and mentality onto its opponents.

    Another useful point would be the role of culture in shielding individuals from the kind of social interventions that could have mitigated the threat.

    But first, consider how long it took the University of California at Berkeley months to deal with Andrew Martinez, ?the Naked Guy,? who strolled campus and attended classes without a stitch back in the 90?s. (Interestingly, although Martinez later died as a lone suicide, he could have easily taken others with him.)

    What?s the connection? The same legal and cultural inhibitions to intervention that left Martinez unchecked on the UC Berkeley campus also helped Loughner run loose in a supermarket parking lot on January 13th.

    Moreover, in the intervening 18 years between Martinez and Loughner, the government has habituated a sense of helplessness in the face of social deviance within local communities by intervening on the side of aberrant behavior in countless ways, from the silencing of abortion protestors, to the promotion of homosexuality, to the defense of pornography, to the elevation of radical leftists, to the indulgence of radical Islamicists.

    Truth is the same kind of ?distancing? the government demands of abortion protestors vis-a-vis abortion providers operated on a different level in the Arizona shootings to insulate Loughner from the forces of social order that could have prevented the murder of 6 people and the wounding of 13 others.

    billb
    http://historeo.com

  • jgwheeler

    The author correctly points out that one never know how judgment might be influenced after getting short.

    Fortunately, I’ve never been short. That said, I imagine that if I had been shot, and I was going to get violent, it would be against the guy who shot me, not somebody who wasn’t even there that day.

  • jeepingeoff

    The police were initially looking for a “potential accomplice” on the day of the shooting, but soon thereafter dropped that line of investigation. Just sayin’…….

  • edintexas

    According to a phone interview reported in the NY Daily News, Humphries said (while complaining about the attacks on him and the Tea Party) that these attacks were taking time away from a useful debate about subjects which could make a difference, such as gun control. Not an exact quote, but accurate representation of the article’s statement. The News noted that this position was unlikely for someone in the Tea Party.

    Obviously the News is an anti-gun Liberal rag, so his remarks could have been misconstrued by their reporter. Maybe Humphries meant that instead of debating rhetoric contributing to political related violence, we could be debating how gun control contributes to politics related violence. Right…

  • edintexas

    But Llort is so much shorter to type. And while Conservatives have refused to engage in eliminating reading as a skill, the general population is being taught by Libs.

  • edintexas

    What is going to happen on March 1st, 2011?

  • oses

    Level 32 is right. Everybody should calm down.

  • miroco

    The Decameron, Canterbury Tales, etc. Us old guys always said “Things were better back— in my case the fifties” The commie creeps always come up with some horrible place like Philly were Hitler’s cousin ran the loonie bin— In San Antonio we had a specialty hospital that actually cured some people and compassionately warehoused those we could not cure. It is still there, looks good and now cares for others. I can think of nothing that is better because of some left wing pinko BS.

  • carolina

    Meanwhile the National editor (Burke) says they ‘had’ to go after the political aspect.

    harumpf. They still need to fire Krugman. All they did was futher ruin their own reputation.

  • carolina

    Meanwhile the National editor (Burke) says they ‘had’ to go after the political aspect.

    harumpf. They still need to fire Krugman. All they did was futher ruin their own reputation.

  • minister_of_war

    killed 6 people right in front of him.

    None the less, I don’t understand why witnessing such an event would cause someone else to act out or speak out in a violent manner against people who didn’t cause the problem.

    The left has spent too much time & money convincing everybody that nobody is responsible for their own actions & that everything is the fault of the wealthy, or of Bush, or of bad parenting, etc. This guy just does not possess the intellectual firepower to see past these arguments & has bought them hook, line & sinker. With that said, I am not like the libs on the left. If this guy made these threats, they are his own fault & he should be punished.

    I know Trent Humphries personally. He is a very decent man. My wife & I only live a block away from that Safeway. And Humphries makes a very good point here that we shouldn’t make rash decisions & change our laws involving gun ownership in reaction to this shooting before we allow our emotions to calm down & let logic take over.

  • 1stsgt

    Reading some comments posted by Moulitsas and some other leftists reminded me why I quit reading that leftist crap years ago. I stopped watching that TV program about Orange County Choppers also because of the language. Folks who revert to profanity as often as they do got the best of. also I am an armed citizen with my .44 Magnum slingshot so don’t accuse me of anything. I made my slingshot and it is a Magnum because I used surgical tubing and a large frame.