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Budget Update: White House STILL thinking ‘I won.’

I think that this quote by Dave Camp, House Ways and Means Chair, helps illustrate the exact nature of Obama’s fairly disastrous gaffe Wednesday:

“But then I thought, maybe if I can’t figure out who to call, they need to call me,” he said. “It’s their agenda they need to get through the House.”

Background: as my readers probably remember, Camp, House Budget Chair Paul Ryan, and House Republican Conference Chair Jeb Hensarling were all invited Wednesday to President Obama’s combined collection of platitudes/attempts to bully his political opponents.  As the three Republicans were not expecting the latter – it’s bad form to attack other people when they’re in a position where basic politeness requires them not to answer in kind* – they’re kind of ticked off.  Ryan in particular has not been shy about saying so; and at this point it’s starting to look like any input by the White House into the upcoming budget negotiations will be as welcome as Nancy Pelosi’s – which is a polite way of saying that the White House’s input will not be welcomed at all.

If you think that this is a suboptimal result for the Obama administration, you are correct – but it was probably inevitable.  The White House has still not learned to play well with others; and it’s starting to look like it is fundamentally incapable of grasping that the days of full Democratic control over the federal government are now over.  While being publicly rude to the opposition may gather support among the mouth-breathers (whose support for this administration is, admittedly, a little shaky itself these days), it doesn’t help get President Obama what he should really want: a budget deal that he can take partial credit for right now, and run on next year.

But I suspect that the President actually wants to run again on his favorite campaign message of I Am The Only Grown-Up In The Room; it’s a real pity for his sake that Obama has nobody to take him aside and gently tell him that such a message is neatly subverted when one instead  insists on publicly acting like a petulant man-child.  Particularly when it’s towards people like Camp, Ryan, and Hensarling – none of whom have any personal stake in bailing President Obama out…

Moe Lane (crosspost)

*Not that this administration cares overmuch for social niceties.  I was going to add “…except for people who might give them money” – only, no, they’re generally rude to those people too.  Sometimes I think that the number of people on this planet that the White House takes seriously could be counted on one’s fingers.

COMMENTS

  • Dave_in_Fla

    Just sayin …

    Toss in an appropriate level of sarcasm, and you could be the author.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/morning-jay-obama-dances-two-left-feet_557338.html?page=1

  • romeg

    ‘I still control two thirds of the Federal Government and I have Veto power so Take That and put it in your pipe and smoke it.’

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    In large part because of that graph. That incredibly foolhardy graph. :)

  • carolina
  • davidleigh

    It’s coming. Just as Obama ran a good, dishonest, media-proteced campaign, he hasn’t a clue how to run a corporation and employ Americans. Romney does, and he’s no dummy. I can’t say I’m real happy seeing him behave like Rebecca of Sunny Brook Farm in his interviews, but I hope he surrounds himself with people who load him with facts and call Obama on the carpet at every turn, They will have to pursue him aggressivle each day and put their plans out there to demostrate how they’re going to save this country.

    I prefer Mitch Daniels frankly. He doesn’t have the MA healthcare baggage and has done solid work in Indiana–or so I read.

    With either adult-man standing on the same stage with Obama with facts on hand–and America kowing full well we’re in serious peril, yes, Obama is quite beatable. In fact, it could be an overwhelming victory. People will go to the polls concerned about Panthers with batons; they’ll be quiet, and vote this guy out of office.

  • calvin58

    and preserved Planned Parenthood and the EPA. He did win and the republicans after all the yelling and talking about 100 billion in budget cuts got rolled. You can’t fix a problem til you admit it is real

  • reddotor

    “But I suspect that the President actually wants to run again on his favorite campaign message of I Am The Only Grown-Up In The Room; it?s a real pity for his sake that Obama has nobody to take him aside and gently tell him that such a message is neatly subverted when one instead insists on publicly acting like a petulant man-child. ”

    I fear the approach you describe will be more effective than you allude to.

  • maddog

    Ask the Supreme Court justices about Obama attacking when in a position where politeness prevents a response. The media focused too much on Alito’s barely noticeable nod of the head during 20z10 State of the Union.

  • Sundayjack

    I really wish guys like Ryan, Camp, and Hensarling had the foresight to stand up and walk out.

    Live and learn. If you’re Barack Obama, you get to do that just once.

  • writeblock

    Both Carter and Obama learned how to game the primary process–though each was poor presidential material and bad for America. That’s my gripe about our own primary system. It’s bad for America. We’re facing ruin and the system’s crowded with second-raters, mostly weak, mild-mannered establishment types. Our system remains open to non-Republicans–and gives inordinate clout to small atypical states that don’t matter in general elections. It took Reagan three tries before he got through it. Why do we tolerate this?

  • writeblock

    He gave up nothing. The GOP surrendered its bargaining clout before negotiations even began. It was a defeatist, non-aggressive mindset. Would a Christie or a Rudy have done so in the same circumstances? I don’t think so. Both faced strong liberal opposition in their respective situations–and both stared it down by sticking to conservative principles and grabbing the public’s attention by penetrating media fog. Leadership is everything. We don’t have the right guys in positions of power on the federal level.

  • writeblock

    If we’re not smart enough to nominate a strong candidate who is able to articulate conservative principles. Not a mild-mannered gentlemanly type who’s afraid to offend. Somebody widely respected who can connect with the public with simple straight talk.

  • writeblock

    Too nice. They were raised to be gentlemen. Like the Bushes. Like Boehner. They don’t understand streetfighters like Obama. Ryan is like Walker–who allowed protesters to trash his capitol while lawmakers and their families were threatened. This is why Ryan–and guys like him–make lousy presidential material at this time of civil war. Our opposition is ruthless and determined. They know we’re in a fight for the nation’s survival as a free country. We don’t. We’re in a business-as-usual groove, typified by Boehner’s recent budget negotiations.

  • cyberrabid

    The latest polls are showing……..Trump….as the Republican frontrunner.

    If that’s the best we’ve got, we not only lose, we lose ugly.

  • romeg

    But he is still the POTUS.

    It is o.k. for him to disrespect the most powerful secular office on earth but our guys just don’t do that.

  • YnotNOW

    The only thing worse than the primary system, would be the “establishment” of the party appointing their designated candidate.

  • YnotNOW

    The only thing worse than the primary system, would be the “establishment” of the party appointing their designated candidate.

  • philhoganjr

    if we ever decided to take the gloves off and treat bho the way the left treated bush, obama’s approval ratings would crater into the mid-30′s and he’d never recover. and we’d win in 2012 with just about any nominee we threw up there…t-paw, romney, barbour, huck, etc.

  • writeblock

    Regional rotation, proportional delegates, closed primaries. Right now the same atypical small states have inordinate clout, cycle after cycle. Meanwhile Republicans in PA and OH have no say at all. By the time we get to vote it’s all over. In addition, winner-take-all results disfranchises later voters–since it’s all over after NH–because the money dries up. And allowing open primaries in the early states is equally disastrous–since it guarantees that the left will infiltrate our selection-system to come up with moderates more congenial to Democrats–while shutting out conservatives like Reagan.

  • writeblock

    with Huckabee. Romney’s the frontrunner. But neither is much to brag about. Romney’s another Democrat lite and Trump’s a risky choice. If I had my druthers, I’d go with Trump rather than another establishment Republican.

    In fact Quinnipiac has Rudy as the only potential candidate who beats Obama. And why not? He’s hard to demonize or ridicule. He’s a well-known entity, not perfect–but a well-respected reformist. He’d be hard for the left to re-define. And he’s got tea party credentials. It’s why Rubio, Brown and Christie asked him to campaign for them.

  • melbedewy

    It’s really simple if you have the nuts-”No PP, no NPR, no Americorps, no QE 3, no spiraling deficits or… NO budget, NO debt limit”.
    If we’re going to go down next year let’s go down on the hill of courage and rightness not “Peace In Our Time”.

  • writeblock

    Obama remained in campaign mode–from day one. Why aren’t we doing likewise?

    I’ll tell you why. We’re worried about being called disrespectful, impolite, not nice, racists, etc. But the left calls us murderers, killers of old ladies, starvers of children, racists, anyway. Why should we give a damn what they call us? You think Trump loses leverage by being nasty? Hell, no. He’s all over the press scoring points, drawing blood.

    The average guy in the street would applaud us if our politicians tried talking straight occasionally instead of continually dishing out gentlemanly palaver. Obama’s a liar–why not say so, the way the Dems called Bush a liar? Our guys need to sound more like Christie who recently called union bosses “thugs.” That’s the kind of language we need to use.

    I’m not talking about getting into a pissing contest calling Obama names. I’m talking about calling him a liar and then reciting chapter and verse to embarrass him. Nobody’s doing that. It’s all so damn polite–even as we rush headlong towards the edge of the cliff.

  • writeblock

    it’s disheartening to watch conservatives on this site run after the latest conservative hero–Ryan, for instance–merely because of his conservative policies, discounting his character. By “character” I don’t mean their moral respectability–which he certainly has in spades. I’m talking about his lack of warrior credentials. He’s just not a fighter. Not every nice guy is fit for leadership.

    We’re in a war for the nation’s soul. We’re facing real ruin in another decade. Is this the time to run after nice guys with meek demeanors? A guy can be well-married, go to church on Sunday, be morally above reproach, be right on policies–and still make a lousy leader. Isn’t it time we acknowledged this? Shouldn’t a willingness to fight hard to destroy the opposition be part of the picture?

  • writeblock

    RUSH: Donald, you accurately describe what’s happening to the country domestically, international policy. You describe Obama. The question that I have and a lot of people have: Are Obama and the people helping him in his administration just incompetent, do they not get it, or is this being done on purpose? I mean, there’s an assault on the private sector of this company. There’s an assault on wealth generation and creation. Is it these people are just rose-colored theoreticians who just don’t know how wrong they are, or is it worse than that?

    DONALD TRUMP: Well, there are two theories. There’s one theory that he wants to destroy the country and create a socialistic country. There is that theory, and I’ve read a lot. This isn’t necessarily my theory. I personally think they’re incompetent. You know, we know and you know some of the great business leaders in this country. They’re fantastic. And I know many of them, almost all of them, I guess. I mean, I know so many. I know the politicians on both sides, Rush, but I know the great business leaders. I know guys that are so tough and so mean, they make you look like a nice guy, Rush. Okay?

    RUSH: (laughing)
    DONALD TRUMP: They’re so smart and so good, and I would put people to negotiate, let’s say, with China. And guess what? We would do absolutely great. But we use diplomats to negotiate — and, you know, when China sends over their people to negotiate, they pick their meanest, smartest, most vicious guy; and these guys, they don’t play games. They don’t laugh, they don’t cry, they have no emotion. They just want to make money, and they just want to rip our country to shreds. But I know people that are tougher and smarter than them. We don’t use ‘em. So I think they’re incompetent. One thing Obama is: He’s a good campaigner. He’s a terrible president. I think he’s gonna go down as the worst president ever, frankly. I used to say that about Jimmy Carter but I think he’s gonna be surpassed. But I think that the one thing he is, he’s a good campaigner. He just campaigns well. If you ask me about Obama, the only thing he does well is campaign.

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_041511/content/01125108.guest.html

  • writeblock

    RUSH: We welcome back Donald Trump. I need to ask you something about Paul Ryan and what you meant. You said that he’s gotta be very careful not to be too far out. You mean too many years out in his planning or too far out in his thinking?

    DONALD TRUMP: Too far out with the plan itself. He’s doing a plan, he’s done a plan, he’s come out, and what the Democrats — and I see it more and more and I hear from them because, again, you know, living in New York that’s what I see is Democrats all over the place — are going to do is say it’s attack on Medicare. And Medicare to a lot of people means seniors, and that this is a very strong attack on Medicare. And I honestly think you have to go down the line in a bipartisan way. You have to go down with the Democrats. I don’t think they should be too far out in front. Don’t forget, we don’t have the president yet. Hopefully, we will have. We don’t have. He’s supposed to be leading this attack, not us. And they can do rejects, they can criticize his plan, but in my opinion… You know, there’s an election in 2012, right?

    RUSH: Yeah.

    DONALD TRUMP: In my opinion, he has to be very careful because when he mentions even the touching of the word “Medicare” — and Medicaid to a lesser extent, perhaps — but when he mentions even the touching of Medicare, they’re gonna attack him unmercifully.

  • writeblock

    the more you listen to him. He’s a better politician than most of our politicians.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And you’re coming from a really low credibility bar.

  • writeblock

    He’s now pulled ahead, according to ppp polling. That’s the most recent take. Sorry.

  • writeblock

    you’d show where I’m wrong about the Republican establishment. Personal attacks don’t do much good.

    As for Trump, the more he talks, the more people like him. Here’s the video:

    http://dailyrushbo.com/rush-limbaugh-interviews-donald-trump-on-cpac-china-and-the-presidency-full/

  • writeblock

    TRUMP: Well, you know, Rush, I talk about China ? and other countries, by the way. But I talk about China ?cause they?re the worst abuser, and we have this independent group of people that formed ShouldTrumpRun.com and we have over 400,000 people already signed up. What I don?t understand but I think maybe there is an understanding down deep, I believe it could be the lobbyists. Because so many people love what I say on China; they know it?s true. When Ben Bernanke gets up and says, ?Jobs won?t be good for another five years,? now, that sounds like a long time, but I disagree.

    I don?t think jobs will ever be good if we keep going on this policy because we?re not making anything anymore. China and other countries are making our products. We are rebuilding China. So I say it over and over again. I do your show, I do Today Show, and I say it ? and everybody loves it; and yet no politician ever says what I?m saying; and then they give, as I said, five-star dinners at the White House. So 400,000 people join ShouldTrumpRun.com and yet nobody? So what I think it is, is the politicians are all taken over by the lobbyists. I really believe the lobbyists keep them shut up because China and Chinese companies have all got tremendous lobbyists.

    OPEC has got a monopoly. If you try and get a lobbyist in Washington to go against OPEC, they?ll say, ?Oh, this is great. Donald Trump wants me to be a lobbyist,? and then they?ll go check and say, ?Oh, I?m sorry, Mr. Trump, we can?t represent you. We represent OPEC or one of the 12 nations.? So it?s really? In my opinion, it has to be the lobbyists. Because I?ll say this, everybody will agree with me ? and I know you agree with me ? but everybody will agree with me, and then the politicians don?t speak up. And I think they don?t speak up because their local lobbyist has them shut up.

    RUSH: Well, could there be an element of fear? I mean, people aren?t afraid of the United States anymore, Donald.

    TRUMP: No, they?re not. No, we?re not respected. And one of the reasons I?m seriously thinking about running ? and I mean seriously thinking ? is that this is not a respected country anymore. I love this country. It?s got potential to be great again. But, really, Rush, it?s not great right now. It?s not great. China, in 12 years or less, will take over as the #1 nation in the world from an economic standpoint ? and we?re doing it! We?re doing it. Now, you asked me before: What would I do? I would tell China that if you don?t straighten out your manipulation of the currency ? and I mean fast; I mean really fast ? we are going to tax your products 25%. Now, what that will do is two things. Number one: Immediately will start doing our own manufacturing. We don?t have to make toys that are coated with lead paint in China. We can make good toys in Alabama and North Carolina.

  • aesthete

    That the GOP is too “nice”? Becker has been making that point in his diaries since before you got here. Or is it your fetish for superficially tough people? Because Trump, Rudy, and Christie are not perfect substitutes: Rudy did a great job in NYC, Christie’s doing a pretty good one in NJ, and Trump is an ignorant fool (the linked video is just confirmation of that fact). I like Rudy and Christie, and so do many others on RS (including ‘becker). Very few people defend you, because you mostly use emotion to convey your points, and rank bigotry against farmers, evangelicals, etc. You’d come across a lot better if you didn’t treat every chat like a battle royale to the death, and every person disagreeing with you like an enemy. RedState is not the Thunderdome: please stop acting like it is.

  • writeblock

    It’s that he’s naive. He’s playing it straight. He wants to put the country on the right path so he’s sincerely offering a plan. But he’s too naive to realize this is exactly what the left has been hoping for. Now they have something to demagogue. We’ll spend a year and a half trying to explain ourselves instead of attacking Obama’s thousand-and-one lies. It’s dumb politics–but oh so high-minded and sincere. Typical stupid party approach. We should attack, attack, attack. Instead we’re in a defensive mode.

  • writeblock

    Are people like yourself who underestimate our strongest potential candidates. How is Trump an “ignorant fool”? He’s a billionaire who understands the international fiscal picture. How is this not relevant for what we want for this country? Does the political class alone have the right to run for the presidency?

    You’ve just called Trump an “ignorant fool”. How is that not more emotionally charged than anything I’ve said? How is your personal attack not more emotionally charged? You don’t even realize you do exactly what you claim I do–though I don’t go around attacking others. You travel in packs and pile on anyone without the approved opinion.

    As for the guys I like–tough Northeasterners who you claim are “superficially tough” what kind of dumb comment is that. Nothing superficial about Trump or Christie or Rudy. Christie and Rudy in particular have fought the media and the unions and the left in general. Nothing superficial about that.

  • aesthete

    Thank you, writeblock, for posting something that just confirms how much of a dangerous buffoon Trump really is. This kind of fear-mongering and rampant xenophobia is ridiculous: the Chinese are not “taking our jobs”; low cost of capital, technological advancement, and stifling regulations for both labor and capital in the US make it a profitable decision to build factories “over there”. In a few years when China experiences its own catastrophe, “over there” will be Brazil or India, and we can hear economic illiterates like Trump screech about those countries and their gawd-awful lobbyists, instead. Bellicose protectionism only ever hurts the middle and lower classes who have to pay out the nose for “made in America” products, and the poor foreign schlub who loses his job at the factory where he’s barely able to feed his children. It is one of the worst things you could do in an economy like the one we have right now.

    Does Trump really think that removing lobbyists from the equation is possible? Even if it were, does he really believe that lobbyists are the driver for what’s wrong in America? The anti-lobbying folks are quite nearly as awful as the OMGZ KORPORASHUNZ loonies on the left: both groups require an improbable, shadowy conspiracy of elites pulling the strings in the background, when a much more rational answer suffices: we have been working towards good relations with China since Nixon’s administration while isolating them from their neighbors, and trade is an excellent tool to further both goals (they are much more dependent on us than we are on them). Lobbyists play a role, but they are far from controlling interests. (Mostly, they stick around like buzzards to add things to deals that are already ongoing — what, you don’t think that a deal authorizing strictly free trade has to be 2000+ pages long, do you?) The lobbyists=omnipotent evil argument trotted out by the intellectually infirm by Israel’s enemies and general xenophobes. It’s unsurprising to hear it used by a sinophobe.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    This was not a post about the 2012 elections.

    Thank you in advance for your compliance.

    Moe Lane

    PS: This is not a suggestion.

  • aesthete

    Exactly why does anyone want to go back to the days when everyone was either a farmer or a steelworker? That’s backbreaking work with very little reward and pay. Most of the guys in those jobs would have killed to have a nice office job, or to get their kids a job where they didn’t have to work all day in horrible conditions. In fact, a lot of them saved money to get their kids through college for that very reason: why the obsession with crappy manual labor? I’m glad that we can send what would be crappy jobs for us overseas to starving peasants who would rather work a factory job than live in a farm all their lives: it pleases me enormously that we can apply our efforts to things that we specialize at.

    Also, give me a break — China’s economy will not be #1 anytime soon. It has no property rights to speak of, and too unstable a business climate to keep up its rates of growth (you’ll note that they’ve slowed over the years). If China ever surpasses us, it will be because they have modified their system to allow for much more freedom than is currently permitted in China. That would make me *very* happy: our country does not have to lose for China to win, and I would love to see us be a supporter of a republican, capitalist China in the future (which is what China would have to be to surpass us), regardless of arbitrary world rankings*.

    *While we’re on the subject, I don’t trust China’s reported GDP figures at all, especially as they relate to Western China, which is still run with 5-year plans.

  • writeblock

    How so? He talks like the average U.S. businessman frustrated by China’s unfair trade practices and fiscal policies which our political class does nothing to address. Protectionist policies may hurt the little guy–but so does the economic decline resulting from poor executive management. As for lobbyists, he’s not so naive to think he can eliminate them. He wants to reduce their clout with most politicians.

    But whether he’s right or wrong–what’s important is how the public in general receives what he has to say. Right now its receptive–more so than anything Obama comes up with. What we need is not a fiscal genius, we need a political leader. That’s what’s necessary–a guy who can penetrate the media wagons circled around Obama and his policy lies.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    NT

  • Bill S

    Rudy’s gonna leave a horse head in your bed.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I was looking forward to a fun session of Bait & Beat. Darn.

  • gekster

    that writeblock has been beating these last few months?

    whup…whup…whup…whup….
    c’mon dammit. get up Silver.
    whup…whup…whup…whup….

  • aesthete

    his whipping boy, and an impressive and anatomically correct army of strawmen.

  • YnotNOW

    Unfortunately not very optimistic on getting them enacted. But worth working toward.

  • YnotNOW

    Unfortunately not very optimistic on getting them enacted. But worth working toward.