BREAKING: ThinkProgress pig-ignorant about military.


Legal Insurrection tipped me to this one: apparently, ThinkProgress (link available via Legal Insurrection) got itself in a bit of a tizzy over a story in the Mexican press that one of the Navy SEALs that killed Osama bin Laden was the son of Mexican immigrants, which apparently means (according to TP) that we need to pass the DREAM Act* and that the military is by the way keeping Latinos down.  Now, let’s establish something right off of the bat; I don’t know who was on that SEAL team, and it would not surprise me in the slightest to hear that one or more of them were of Latino ancestry.  Or any other ancestry, frankly.  That’s not the point: the point is that when you’re a hardcore partisan ideologue using a story for agitprop, you should probably check the story first to make sure that you don’t get burned.

ThinkProgress did not check the story first.

Quick: read this sentence (from the original Mexican newspaper article that sent TP into a tizzy) and tell me what’s wrong with it.  It’s OK if you don’t speak Spanish: neither do I, really – and I still can pick out the howler, so you should be able to, too.

El soldado Rubén Mejía, nacido en este país y de padres guanajuatenses, ha sido ascendido a sargento por el operativo en que un equipo enfrentó y dio muerte a Bin Laden.

“Sargento.”

Yes, that’s the Spanish word for ‘sergeant’ – which, as MilitaryReporter.net rather waspishly points out, is interesting… seeing as Navy SEALs use naval ranks. The equivalent naval rank would be Petty Officer – which I’m pretty sure is a fairly typical rank for Navy SEALs to have when they finish training.  I’m also pretty sure that the get-Osama mission probably didn’t have very many relative newcomers to the SEALs in its numbers.

So.  In other words, this one detail – and MilitaryReporter.net has more; much more (the title of the article was “Copy editors need more training about military affairs,” which should give you an idea) is so wrong that it is shining through the original, untranslated text.  You would have to be completely unaware of the most basic features of the United States military to not grasp that detail… and it is such a fundamental error that it beggars the mind that anyone would look it at and not have alarm bells go off in their heads.  You would have to be that special kind of dumb that comes from having to automatically believe anything – anything - that validates your existing belief structure, no matter how patently absurd.  You would have to be willfully obtuse to uncritically accept this story.

Which is, of course, why ThinkProgress took the story and ran with it.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

PS: By the way: you can, in fact, apply to be a Navy SEAL.  Which could have been checked by a fifteen second Google search, not that the Think Progress author bothered.  Of course.

PPS: Being at least slightly smarter than TP, I ran this by colleagues who had a military background (which probably isn’t really an available resource for ThinkProgress writers, at that): one of them pointed out that the person making the call might have been involved in the mission, just not as a Navy SEAL, and the original story got that detail wrong.  Which is in fact plausible, particularly since the mission was run through the multi-service Joint Special Operations Command; alas for ThinkProgress, it does not absolve them of their essential ignorance of the American military.

*Yes, I know, I know: if you’re born in this country or already a citizen (Navy SEALs have to be the latter, by the way) the DREAM Act wouldn’t apply to you in the slightest anyway.  Remember: not just ideologues.  Dumb ideologues who won’t read.


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Just a thought: if the raid had been carried out under

throwback59 Sunday, May 8th at 5:32PM EDT (link)

the Bush Admin., ThinkProgress would probaly be accusing the President of using foreign mercenaries to commit murder.

Well, they did call Seal Team 6

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 7:38PM EDT (link)

Cheney’s personal assassination squad.

http://nation.foxnews.com/usama-bin-laden/2011/05/02/seal-team-killed-bin-laden-was-smeared-dick-cheneys-assasination-ring

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 

Almost as bad as Obama calling Navy Corpsmen "corpse-men" while at Camp Lejeune.

rogershru2 (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 5:56PM EDT (link)

nt

“We used to have the best infrastructure in the world here in America. We’re the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad …” – President Obama

 

Dear Mr. M-----,

rickbull Sunday, May 8th at 6:11PM EDT (link)

We here at Redstate.com are very sorry that Think Progress has painted a target on your back. As you can tell from the salutation of this post, I refuse to use your name because I do not wish to further endanger your life, whether you were involved in the raid or not.

I have a question: where did Think Progress or anyone else get the idea that your parents were “illegal” or “undocumented” immigrants? Everything that I have read seems to indicate that your parents came to the U.S. legally, like they were supposed to, in which case, the “Dream Act” would not apply to you even if you had been born in Mexico.

Now, given that Think Progress has blown your cover, may I suggest you start using the name Billy Bob Rodriguez. It would go a long way toward carving that target off your back.

Sincerely,

RickBull

WE ARE THE 53% (who actually pay taxes).

 

Leftist ignorance will kill you

creditman Sunday, May 8th at 6:30PM EDT (link)

One of my former supervisors was a Navy officer reservist. On one of his deployments, he worked with the SEALS. According to him, they were all multilingual, officers with advanced degrees.

This bit by Think Progress seems to just be another free ride being requested by illegal beaners.

Hold off on the racial epithets. n/t

ceili_dancer (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 6:40PM EDT (link)

And racial epithets...

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 7:21PM EDT (link)

…will get you banned here.

 

Umm

Kudzu (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 8:58AM EDT (link)

Not to mention that SEALs only consist of “multilingual officers” is a completely false assertion. That’s about as bad as the Think Progress/ El Universal junk

It always did take two of you to take down one of me. – Jo Bob Priddy, North Dallas Forty.

Now on at http://kudzu630.wordpress.com/

 

All SEALs are Officers. You're kidding, right?

yoyo (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 11:14AM EDT (link)

I certainly hope that you meant “Officers and Petty Officers” when you said “officers with advanced degrees” because, as a former Petty Officer Second Class, I kind of take offense to the inference that being “only” a Petty Officer makes a SEAL less of a SEAL.

Think it through. How can every SEAL be “multilingual, officers with advanced degrees [sic]?” If every operator is an Officer (LTjg – LCDR, most likely), why did they ask for SEAL volunteers when I was in Boot Camp? Were they looking to commission me? Or do the “Petty” officers get to sling chow to the advanced degree holding, multilingual Officers? Seems like a small reward for the hell of “Hell Week.”

Nemo me impune lacesset
“No one will provoke me with impunity!”
=============================
Pukin’ Dogs – The Fighting 143
Sans Reproache
=============================
The ‘yoyo’ replaced my cigarettes January 22, 2006….

 
 

Hey Moe...

Mike (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 7:27PM EDT (link)

I have a Spanish linguist friend who I checked with…he says that passage makes it sound like it’s an Army Sergeant. This is especially likely since the op went through JSOC. That’s pretty much all I want to tell ya on that.

TP still OwnGoal’d themselves on the hoax portion of the story, and for that reason I suspect there is no person working at JSOC by that name. Still, it’s possible they’re correct on the rank structure stuff.

That's Moe's point

MikeG (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 8:09PM EDT (link)

Navy SEALs are, by definition, in the NAVY. Not the Army. Regardless of what command they were serving under, they would remain Navy personnel with Navy ranks (for example, when my dad was attached to the Third Marine Expeditionary Force for three years, he retained his Navy rank of Lieutenant Commander and didn’t magically transform into a Marine Corps major). “Sergeant” is not a Navy rank.

That happened to your dad, too?

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 8:15PM EDT (link)

My dad was a Petty Officer who decided to learn how to read maps while he was playing hurry-up-and-wait. As a reward, they assigned him to the Marines… just in time for Inchon.

At least, that's how he told the story.

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 8:15PM EDT (link)

Usually with a good deal of profanity involved.

heh, my dad was in Korea for nearly the entire war

kyle8 (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 10:05PM EDT (link)

Damned thing was he had just mustered out of the army when the NK invaded the South. He then applied to go back to his old outfit which was the Army Second Division.

They said, Do you know where your outfit is right now? But he insisted, and they gave him his old rank and sent him there right into the thick of it.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 
 

Pretty Much, Though More My Dad's Choice

MikeG (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 10:14PM EDT (link)

He was a surface warfare officer until he decided that he’d actually like to SEE his family for a reasonable amount of time, so he got out of the surface navy (not hard to do, since that pretty much put career advancement to any meaningful degree on ice, so the billets he asked for were not highly sought after), and wound up working first with the Marines as naval gunfire liaison officer before starting the long, slow drift into the intelligence community.

 
 
 

That's the best part about this, Mike.

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 8:13PM EDT (link)

It’s not whether the Mexican newspapers got the story wrong; it’s that ThinkProgress doesn’t have the minimal knowledge base necessary to be able to detect whether or not the story had been garbled and/or faked.

I mean, seriously: I just looked (and screenshotted). They’re still reporting that this guy is a SEAL, even though they have to know by now that the story has key details wrong. It’s hysterical.

?!

Mike (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 10:14PM EDT (link)

Whaa…they still think he’s a SEAL?

I’m not even sure he exists, and they think he’s a SEAL?!

TP has gone from OwnGoal to vociferously arguing that they scored TWICE on that OwnGoal. Now THAT’s a high level of stupid :D

I would question if he is a real member of Spec Ops command if a real person at all.

Mike Ferguson (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 11:22PM EDT (link)

If he is a real person and a member of the Military then someone from Spec Ops command needs to be asking him and the Mexican reporter some very pointed questions. Revealing the details of an operation, especially one this sensitive, even to family can mean a court martial and a reservation for a work out program of turning big rocks into small rocks.

Let us be sure that those who come after will say of us in our time, that in our time we did everything that could be done. We finished the race; we kept them free; we kept the faith.
Ronald Reagan

 
 
 
 

Did not originate in Mexico, but Los Angeles

badanov Sunday, May 8th at 8:35PM EDT (link)

The father of a military person called an Los Angeles Spanish language radio station about his son and apparently lied. Local LA media picked up on the story, which then went to El Universal and the Mexican Notimex local wire.

It did not originate in Mexico, but the US.

Los Angeles is in the US? I thought that it was in CA. nt

yoyo (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 11:20AM EDT (link)

Nemo me impune lacesset
“No one will provoke me with impunity!”
=============================
Pukin’ Dogs – The Fighting 143
Sans Reproache
=============================
The ‘yoyo’ replaced my cigarettes January 22, 2006….

Perfect!

edintexas Monday, May 9th at 3:09PM EDT (link)

Nothing more need be said,

 
 
 

SEALS don't brag

banzaibob (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 9:01PM EDT (link)

I’d like to know who opened their mouth claiming to on the team that did UBL in. On the boats(submarines) and special forces what happens on the op stays within the group.

Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas
It’s better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!
Emiliano Zapata

 

Well, It's Not As Bad as Aliens

donnybrooke Sunday, May 8th at 9:38PM EDT (link)

In fact, a German TV networks thinks aliens from Star Trek did the deed. Or at least, they posted the wrong emblem.

http://trekmovie.com/2011/05/06/geman-tv-fail-star-treks-maquis-not-involved-in-bin-laden-mission/

“Journalists were never intended to be the cheerleaders of a society, the conductors of applause, the sycophants. Tragically, that is their assigned role in authoritarian societies, but not here — not yet.”
– Chet Huntley -

...I got nothing, sorry.

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 9:59PM EDT (link)
 

Having just come back from stuffing my face at a Mexican restaurant

kyle8 (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 10:01PM EDT (link)

all I can say is Thank God that we have a lot of Mexicans moving in here. They beleive in family, religion, hard work, and defending our way of life, and Honor.

I love Americans of Mexican ancestry, Now I just wish that we knew who came into this country, and that they were all here legally.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 

Think Progress might want to steer clear of

blooch Sunday, May 8th at 10:17PM EDT (link)

stories involving Mexico and clandestine US Government operations. Somebody might accidentally google past an MSM embargo or something.

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

 

Yeh the BS is so deep in this story it is difficult to even muddle through it.

jeffreywturner (Diary) Sunday, May 8th at 11:08PM EDT (link)

To add just a bit to the multitude of fallacies already discovered:

First, as I recall from my time on active-duty, you could not get top secret security clearance if you were not yet a citizen. Since all SEALs would presumably have to have top secret clearance, it would stand to reason that you could only be one if you were already a citizen, meaning that the Dream Act would be irrelevant to your situation.

In addition, as I recall, every non-citizen I ever served with received their citizenship after only a few years of service anyway.

“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”

 

Mexican military ranks.

spinoneone Monday, May 9th at 12:28AM EDT (link)

El soldado , nacido en este país y de padres guanajuatenses, ha sido ascendido a sargento por el operativo en que un equipo enfrentó y dio muerte a Bin Laden.

“The soldier, born in this country of parents from Guanajato, has been promoted to sergeant for this operation in which a unit engaged and killed Bin Laden.”

In the Mexican military, the army rank of second sergeant and the naval rank of petty officer third class are equivalent and the sleeve emblems are the same. That may account for the error…or just ignorance.

nice spin except that it is wrong

streiff (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 8:51AM EDT (link)

there isn’t “sleeve insignia” there are shoulder boards.

And the insignia are not remotely the same.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

Well, if you squint.

Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 9:02AM EDT (link)

I’m not sure if the differences that are obvious to a military veteran – or, in my case, somebody who just reads a bunch of military history – are as obvious to people who aren’t either.

 
 
 

we are paying for Latinos to criticize the UBL mission

ashland_avenue (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 1:44AM EDT (link)

This week’s Latino USA program features a Hispanic woman whose husband perished in the WTC bombings.
Her point: not happy that Usama Bin Ladin was killed. Complains that the events of 9/11 made it impossible for her to get amnesty. Is upset that the President refers to ‘citizens’ who were killed that day. Will not let her young son discuss 9/11 in her household.
It gets worse from there.
And is distributed by NPR, which means we are supporting it. Www.latinousa.org. thank you Maria Hinajosa.

 

Top Secret

Viator Monday, May 9th at 6:51AM EDT (link)

I imagine that all members of Seal Team 6 or whatever it’s called these days have, at the very least, top secret clearances. Even these days a top secret clearance, or higher, is difficult to get. Not just any immigrant can get one since your background checked for at least ten years and you must be a US citizen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Scope_Background_Investigation

 

US Naval rank point of order

Deskpilot (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 7:24AM EDT (link)

A Sailor enlists in the US Navy. He completes an initial course of instruction in a primary skill, i.e. MA-Master-At-Arms (Navy police, security) Based on timing and prior educationand class standing, he may be advanced from Seaman (E-3, MASN), to Petty Officer Third Class (E-4, MA3) The transition to Petty Officer in the Navy is the point of transition into leadership roles.
While serving in that role, and advancing through the normal means of rank advancement, the next higher rank is Petty Officer Second Class (E-5, MA2) While in ANY rank, a Sailor may apply, and if lucky, be selected for Basic Underwater Demolition School (BUDS), which is the pre-requisite to SEa, Air, Land (SEAL) training. All during this specialiazed warfare training, he retains his specialty and rank.
BUDS DIVERS and SEALS use a concept of “Source Ratings,” which refers to a cors groupos of ratings specialties upon which they prefer to draw from in order to attract candidatates. Those ratings have been defined has having a skill easily transferred into the SEAL program, i.e. Master at Arms (MA), Engineman (EN), Boatswain’s Mate (BM) Intelligence Specialist (IS).
Upon complete of various levels of traing, each individual earns a Naval Enlisted Classification Code (NEC), which specifically identifies the spcialty skill set an individual has earned. NECs can be used in tandem with eachother to help determine the advancement path of an individual.

When I finally retired, I was equally reffered to as an Aviation Structures Mechanic (Hydraulics) First Class, AM(H)1 with my paygrade being E-6 (Enlisted, six ranks from the bottom).
My NECs identifieced me as a P-3 AND an H-46 qualified AM. In the helicopter community, I worked with other AM(H)1s who were also qualified as Helicopter Aircrew. That additional NEC was a factor helping the Navy determine thier advancement needs.

in 19 of my 20 years, I worked within my ratings specialty on a multitude of aircraft. In my final year, my Commanding Officer recogonized a persoanlity trait and asked me to work in a staff role. I still retained my AM(1), but my rank as a Petty Officer First Class was of more importance in that role

http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/air-rescue.html

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can still read it in English, You’re Welcome
Deskpilot, AM(H)1 (AW), USN (Ret)

 

Marine?

craiginiowa Monday, May 9th at 7:32AM EDT (link)

I’ve heard that Marines can join the SEALS. Marines do have Sergeants.

No

NRPax (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 8:14AM EDT (link)

Marines that want in on the SPEC OPS life volunteer for Marine Recon. Recon does some training with SEALs but that’s all.

Almost

Kudzu (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 8:43AM EDT (link)

The Marines that want to be SEALs can but have to agree to be discharged from the USMC then brought into the Navy. Should they wash out of BUD/S they will stay permanent members of the Navy until discharge

It always did take two of you to take down one of me. – Jo Bob Priddy, North Dallas Forty.

Now on at http://kudzu630.wordpress.com/

Good point

NRPax (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 8:50AM EDT (link)

But they won’t be Marines, so they wouldn’t have a rank of Sergeant either.

Correct

Kudzu (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 9:01AM EDT (link)

But there is a program for accession to the program. And if you ever met a Marine you know they never stop being them, kind of like herpes.

My one dig at Marines, I’m allowed at least one a day as a Soldier

It always did take two of you to take down one of me. – Jo Bob Priddy, North Dallas Forty.

Now on at http://kudzu630.wordpress.com/

It's like they have a forehead tattoo...

Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 9:10AM EDT (link)

…that only other Marines can see; I have a friend who served a hitch, and he can unerringly detect one in a crowd. It’s fascinating to watch.

you can all ways tell a Marine

streiff (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 10:20AM EDT (link)

…just not very much

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

 
 

heh

NRPax (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 10:01AM EDT (link)

“My one dig at Marines, I’m allowed at least one a day as a Soldier”

That’s OK. We Marines know that Army stands for Ain’t Ready to be a Marine Yet. :-)

Red State rules prevent me from finishing

Kudzu (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 10:34AM EDT (link)

This sentence:

You know what USMC stands for? U Suck Maj $&@!

I love you guys. So sensitive with your pretty uniforms :)

It always did take two of you to take down one of me. – Jo Bob Priddy, North Dallas Forty.

Now on at http://kudzu630.wordpress.com/

I agree

streiff (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 11:31AM EDT (link)

they are so cute when they get dressed up.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

 

USMC

belcatar (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 12:30PM EDT (link)

I was told, during a pleasant stay at MCRD San Diego, that USMC stood for U Signed the M…….. Contract.

Later, I was told this wasn’t accurate. USMC actually stands for U Suckers Missed Christmas.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

May I?

Kudzu (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 8:41AM EDT (link)

This whole thing stinks on so many levels, least of which being the incorrect rank. Namely how the he’ll would they find out? Members of the SOF community don’t reveal names and when you work with them you are on a first name basis. I only knew a few ranks of the men I worked with and that was based on them being in certain positions. Next, why does it matter if the guy was Hspanic? So is my son and it doesn’t mean we need the DREAM Act to allow him to apply to the US Navy then again to the SEALs the again to the tier one asset that may or may not exist.

Proof positive of the growing disconnect between the nation and it’s military. Even bigger from the every ignorant left in out country

It always did take two of you to take down one of me. – Jo Bob Priddy, North Dallas Forty.

Now on at http://kudzu630.wordpress.com/

 

Sargento?

bjf182 (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 9:13AM EDT (link)

I thought ‘Sargento’ was Wisconsin for ‘Cheese’.

Winning

Kudzu (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 9:20AM EDT (link)

N/t

It always did take two of you to take down one of me. – Jo Bob Priddy, North Dallas Forty.

Now on at http://kudzu630.wordpress.com/

 
 

Most lefties know nothing about the military

renny (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 9:35AM EDT (link)

I lost many friends just a few years ago informing them that the Marines never drafted anyone into fighting the Vietnam War. And they were teachers with 30 and 40 years experience and often a couple Masters Degrees.

actually the Marines

streiff (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 9:47AM EDT (link)

began taking draftees in the late 1960s. A total of about 42K Marines were drafted during the course of the war.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

 
 

The Google translation of the sentence:

hokie_o67 Monday, May 9th at 9:40AM EDT (link)

“The soldier Ruben Mejia, born in this country and parents Guanajuato, has been promoted to sergeant for the operation in which a team engaged and killed Bin Laden.”

 

The army did give them a ride

JoeG Monday, May 9th at 10:10AM EDT (link)

Perhaps the father didn’t lie and his son really was a sergeant that went on the raid.

Military ignorant reporters could have then turned that into the man being a sergeant in the seals.

except

streiff (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 10:24AM EDT (link)

you don’t give promotions as a reward, that’s what medals are for.

That aside, it is also very unlikely that someone below the rank of sergeant would either be flying on a 160th SOAR helicopter on this mission or part of any exploitation team.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

 
 

Tiny minds grasp at minutiae. Normal people

johnt Monday, May 9th at 10:16AM EDT (link)

wouldn’t think to make an issue of this, but the Martian John Podesta is far from normal. This garbage can of hoary and failed mistakes is still referred to as a think tank by our Dumb Class, the media.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

I am no Democrat but i think citizenship should be given

pubbing Monday, May 9th at 11:16AM EDT (link)

To Immigrants who serve in our military. Only after they complete the regular 7 year term in active duty in good standing. If they are willing to fight for us they sure should be granted citizenship.

That part about granting citizenship to college students is bs though. If that wasn’t in the DREAM act and the act stipulated they get granted citizenship only after a full term in good standing I think that would be fair.

I'm no Democrat, either

streiff (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 11:30AM EDT (link)

and I believe that illegal immigrants shouldn’t be allowed in the Armed Forces.

They wouldn’t need to “fight for us” if they weren’t here.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

Say they wern't here illegally though

pubbing Monday, May 9th at 11:56AM EDT (link)

and applied while they were still residing in Mexico and given some sort of very limited “military visa” while they served and got citizenship when there term was up.

why?

streiff (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 12:29PM EDT (link)

what possible good would that constitute especially considering that all the services are meeting their recruiting goals with US citizens or resident aliens?

What about language problems? What about the objections of their home country, the US, for instance, forbids US citizens from serving in foreign armies?

I just don’t see what possible benefit the US gets from this proposal

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

We could always use

pubbing Monday, May 9th at 1:11PM EDT (link)

more good fighting men in the military, and I for one think that the type of people the military produces are a higher caliber of person than the average joe. They tend to be of higher character and have a stronger work ethic than most people.

I agree that illegal aliens is a problem and that people should respect our borders and our laws on the books need to be enforced. I believe that illegals should not get public assistance and their children should not be admitted to schools in the united states being that our education system is a serious drain on our finances as it is.

I believe in greater enforcement along our borders and building a border fence. I believe amnesty is unacceptable and people here illegally should pay for those crimes.

But I also believe in offering citizenship to those who will prove productive and who will adapt to our society. I think that joining our military and showing a willingness to die for our country and our founding beliefs is a very good indicator of what it will take to be a good citizen of the united states.

Of course they would have to learn English, Not understanding the language would be an extremely huge problem in our military. And as far as objections from Mexico, that country is run by a bunch of corrupt thugs and they are the ones responsible for creating the deplorable living conditions in that country. Personally I could care less about their “objections.”

 
 
 
 
 

Even if the rank didn't set off bells and whistles

joayn (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 12:01PM EDT (link)

this big red herring should have:

Mejía’s father, a machine operator, recalled the moment that soldiers in uniform came to his home in Los Angeles holding a folded flag. “It was one of the biggest scares,” explained Martín Mejía. “When they [the soldiers] saw us [the family] begin to cry they clarified that bringing the flag was an expression of recognition and honor because our son had carried out a great mission for our nation,” stated the SEAL’s father.

I laughed out loud when I read that, just visualizing thousands of military personnel doing this all day, every day, with families having stacks and stacks of flags in their basements. No wonder the deficit is so high – it’s all those flags we have to buy!

Geez, these people are pathetic.

America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte

 

new term coined - "pignorant"!

MF (Diary) Monday, May 9th at 1:32PM EDT (link)

Nice, Moe. I’ll give you the credit. ;-)