RIP: Neo-Keynesianism, 2007-2011.


Mourners please omit flowers. Or public urination on the graveside.

If there has been one positive result from the recent knife fight in an alley that has been our debt ceiling debate, it’s come from watching the self-appointed Smartest People In The Room come to the belated realization that they’ve been out-maneuvered by a bunch of hobbits. No, don’t take it from me: listen to them. A representative sample is below.

  • Paul Krugman: “The worst thing you can do in these circumstances is slash government spending…” preceded and followed by a lot of nonsensical blather, of course. Feel free to read or not, as you like; the point is, Krugman thinks that more government spending will solve our problems, so he’s shrieking over this like a traditionalist vampire shrieks at a holy symbol.
  • Greg Sargent: “Even if you think it’s good politics for Dems to be demonstrating concern about deficits and spending, the clear downside is that the progressive economic case has been entirely marginalized, to the point where it has vanished from the conversation entirely.” Bolding mine; it’s not really relevant to this post, but that mindset is a post all on its own.
  • Senator Dick Durbin: “I would say … that symbolically, that agreement is moving us to the point where we are having the final interment of John Maynard Keynes… [h]e normally died in 1946 but it appears we are going to put him to his final rest with this agreement.” Two things: one, via Jim Geraghty, who got this meme in first again (I’ve been ill). Second, I do admit that I’m asking you to take seriously the commentary of a guy who doesn’t know how many Senators it takes to pass a budget, but it’s not the rest of the people on this list are much better.
  • E.J. Dionne: “…the poll pointed to another aspect of the deficit obsession that is insidious from the point of view of those who favor Keynesian or progressive economics. The new survey repeated a question posed last March in which respondents were asked whether they thought cuts in federal spending would help the job situation, hurt it or not have much effect. In March, only 18 percent said cuts would help the job situation while 34 percent said they would hurt. But in the July survey, 26 percent said cuts would help the job situation, up eight points, while 27 said they would hurt, down seven points.” Dionne isn’t happy about that, mind you.
  • Lastly, a demonstration of the depth that the neo-Keynesians are losing this one, from the American people themselves apparently: “21. Do you think large cuts in federal spending would do more to (create jobs) or do more to (cut jobs) in this country?” The answer to that was 47/44, and represents a flip from 41/45 the other way in March (H/T Dave Weigel, who is careful not to mention how annoyed this makes him).

Something to consider when thinking about this looming debt deal: if you think that changing the topic of discussion from “Should we cut spending to get out of this mess?” to “Where do we cut spending to get out of this mess?” is unimportant, think about where we’d be right now if we hadn’t managed to get the topic changed. Which is not an invitation to sit on one’s laurels, as we’ve just started to correct course – and it’s not going to be easy to correct course. If it was easy, somebody would have done it already and taken credit for it. No, fixing the economy is going to be a royal pain in the rear, not to mention a largely thankless job with a frustrating amount of reversals, betrayals, and backsliding. If this doesn’t appeal, best to drop out now before you’re completely burned out by events.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

PS: It’s ‘neo’-Keynesianism because I’m pretty sure that John Maynard Keynes would choke on his mustache at the thought that his theory would justify the government to just keep spending money, no matter what. In other words… the Democratic party stopped reading when they saw the bit about using government money to end recessions early, and decided to go with that, pretty exclusively. At least, that’s how it looks to this cynical non-economist – yeah, I’m happy to admit that. Have you seen what acute idiocies actual economists have gotten us into, lately?

PS: Ed Driscoll considers the death of Keynesianism as well.


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You..

lizfstone Monday, August 1st at 5:04PM EDT (link)

…really make me laugh, in a good way! This Hobbit thanks you for your always entertaining posts.

 

This Hobbit...

lizfstone Monday, August 1st at 5:05PM EDT (link)

thanks you for your always entertaining (but informative)posts!

 

About the public urination thing--what about our dogs?

earlgrey (Diary) Monday, August 1st at 5:16PM EDT (link)

Can they relieve themselves at the grave site.

Today has just been horrible. Thanks for helping me to end it on a more positive note.

 

Something to celebrate!

carolina Monday, August 1st at 5:18PM EDT (link)

However, like any weed, we will have to be viligant and keep stomping out regrowth of this pernicious ‘theory’.
Rentseekers will not go away quietly. Hopefully we can make significant progress ridding ourselves of crony capitalism.

 

Progressivism is simply political cover

forrest Monday, August 1st at 5:19PM EDT (link)

for Organized Crime. They find one tenet of one economic theory from one economist and use it as a license to loot the Treasury.

 

Here's another variation on your Greg Sargent theme, Moe

Jeff Weimer (Diary) Monday, August 1st at 5:29PM EDT (link)

Michael Tomasky at The Daily Beast:

This is the lowest moment of Obama’s presidency. It makes Bill Clinton signing of the welfare reform bill of 1996 look like the founding of the Peace Corps. Even the things he supposedly got out of this deal could vaporize. Defense cuts on par with domestic cuts? After the military contractors’ lobbyists get to work? I’ll believe that when I see it. Of course Obama did get one concession: no second debt-ceiling vote until 2013. By which time, if he doesn’t fundamentally change his way of doing business, he may very well be in retirement.

Apparently, the low point of a Democrat’s term is a political loss to the other party, no matter how beneficial to the country as a whole that “loss” may be. I mean really, Clinton’s low point wasn’t somewhere between wagging a finger and surviving impeachment, but was signing a Republican initiative?

“good politics” vs. good policy indeed.

(found this in a Dave Swindle post at the Tatler: http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/08/01/how-to-respond-to-leftists-crying-about-obamas-capitulation-on-the-debt-deal/#comments)

Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.
-Voltaire

Aggh

Jeff Weimer (Diary) Monday, August 1st at 5:50PM EDT (link)

A little to quick on the submit button.

The first paragraph is Tomasky’s. The rest is my opinion.

Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.
-Voltaire

 
 

Uhh, Mr. Krugman...

mdyou (Diary) Monday, August 1st at 5:33PM EDT (link)

…I understand that you have quite a resume, and a Nobel prize (of course the value of THAT honor has been recently downgraded), but…

ARE YOU A TOTAL IDIOT? What do you mean the government didn’t spend enough money???

THERE IS NO MONEY!!!

 

It's demise is greatly exaggerated

e_rowe (Diary) Monday, August 1st at 5:39PM EDT (link)

Neo-keynesianism is alive and well here at Red State, as can be seen any time one of us criticizes central banking.

or rather "its"

e_rowe (Diary) Monday, August 1st at 5:59PM EDT (link)

pardon me

 
 

To Krugman, winning the Nobel Prize for Economics

romeg Monday, August 1st at 6:01PM EDT (link)

is the academic equivalent to acquittal for murder. The accused can stand on the courthouse steps, bragging about how he killed his victim, dismembered the corpse and fed it to his friends and family for Christmas dinner all without without fear of reprisal from the state.

In Krugman’s case, he gets to publish his blather on the pages of the ‘Newspaper of Record’ as if it were The Gospel and should be accepted without question. After all, HE has a Nobel Prize in Economics.

It’s a good thing he never offered his services to any publicly held company.

“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis

Thanks, romeg, just about blew apple bits out the nose at that one!

knitwit (Diary) Tuesday, August 2nd at 12:41AM EDT (link)

nt

“I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country”–Nathan Hale
Compromise: The art of giving to your enemy that which he is not powerful enough to take.

 
 

If there is one sliver of a silver lining in all

runner12 (Diary) Monday, August 1st at 6:15PM EDT (link)

of this, Moe has effectively pointed it out. The Tea Party has changed the narrative, which is a step in the right direction. People everywhere are talking about reducing spending and cutting the size of government.

What we need now are the leaders in Washington to act on this narrative, without using cheap accounting gimmicks. We need to do some serious house-cleaning if we are to accomplish this goal.

 

The Failure of Central Planning Lite

devereaux Monday, August 1st at 6:15PM EDT (link)

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2011/07/29/the_failure_of_central_planning_lite_99155.html

Greenspan

devereaux Monday, August 1st at 6:20PM EDT (link)

In discovering this fact, we are emerging from a specific illusion created by one man: Alan Greenspan. When he stepped down as Fed Chairman, I noted the irony that the onetime champion of the gold standard had instead established the Greenspan Standard: the markets’ faith that economic contractions would be moderated, growth would continue steadily, and inflation would be kept at bay, all because of one man. It was the illusion that a brilliant, dedicated, all-knowing “maestro” could control the markets and make Central Planning Lite work.

http://tinyurl.com/4y4zr3c

You are SO right!

carolina Monday, August 1st at 8:00PM EDT (link)

Thanks for the links.

 

I liked this paragraph from your link:

carolina Monday, August 1st at 8:08PM EDT (link)

“Yet we can now see that in seeking to mitigate the effects of previous economic downturns, Greenspan helped set the stage for a monetary expansion and the resulting housing bubble, and when he handed his power over to the sorcerer’s apprentice, all hell broke loose. In dictating an expansion of credit, the central planners at the Fed replaced the individual plans of bankers, investors, and borrowers, deliberately overriding any signals that might have warned of excessive risk and called for a contraction of credit. Yet the central planners did not, in fact, know how to understand and control the easy money forces they had unleashed. So is it any wonder that they have been unable to marshal those same forces to summon up a recovery?”

Down with the central planners!

 

I liked this paragraph from your link:

carolina Monday, August 1st at 8:08PM EDT (link)

“Yet we can now see that in seeking to mitigate the effects of previous economic downturns, Greenspan helped set the stage for a monetary expansion and the resulting housing bubble, and when he handed his power over to the sorcerer’s apprentice, all hell broke loose. In dictating an expansion of credit, the central planners at the Fed replaced the individual plans of bankers, investors, and borrowers, deliberately overriding any signals that might have warned of excessive risk and called for a contraction of credit. Yet the central planners did not, in fact, know how to understand and control the easy money forces they had unleashed. So is it any wonder that they have been unable to marshal those same forces to summon up a recovery?”

Down with the central planners!

 
 
 

Screams from the asylum basement

johnt Monday, August 1st at 7:19PM EDT (link)

Federal spending up by hundred of billions, minimal reductions short term, the only ones that count, and a government apparatus that has bloated beyond imagination,with nothing to show for it. Why complain? Probably because for now enough Americans have not been pauperized, give them time.
The message is that these people want it all, with no imaginable limits to their voraciousness.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

Liberal ideas like Keynesianism are zombies

Finrod (Diary) Monday, August 1st at 11:17PM EDT (link)

Being undead, it makes them difficult to kill. After all, once Reagan was re-elected you would have thought Keynesianism would have been dead and buried then, but I guess we didn’t quite chop its head off that time.

PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.

 

There would be NO doubt...

lastgopinillinois (Diary) Tuesday, August 2nd at 1:12AM EDT (link)

in anyones mind (the public) that keynesian economics is a road to ruin if:
The Reps win the senate and WH in 2012
We immediately restructure and simplify the tax code (lowering the rates and broadening the base) COUPLED WITH drastic federal spending reductions and giving power back to the states.
That one action alone would cause an economic boom in the US of historical proportions. Business would come alive, unemployment would be drastically reduced.
Oh, but wait. Immediately before we do this, we need to send the repeal of Obamacare to the senate and FINISH IT OFF.
Soon afterward, we could easily pass one of our bills that would actually reduce health care costs

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