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By: Moe Lane (Diary)  |  August 13th, 2011 at 10:28 AM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

Big day, too: we’ve had the training classes, and we’re hearing from Gov Haley now. FreedomWorks and Heritage have presentations today, and we’ll have candidates like Ted Cruz and Michael Williams and Richard Mourdock and Don Stenberg and Adam Hasner* making themselves available for questions. And, of course, there’s going to be a movie showing of The Undefeated tonight, as a special treat.

Oh, and, yeah: Governor Rick Perry will be talking at 1 PM. Wonder what that’s going to be about?

Yeah, total media circus here. Cool, yet faintly nerve-wracking. But we have some awesome folks keeping everything running smoothly…

Moe Lane

*I will get links up as soon as I can; the Internet is a bit wonky here for some reason, so I’ve had to fall back on my iPad2′s 3G.

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  • jmimac351

    how to hog tie a Liberal.

  • bachmannthe1

    Governor Perry is not as conservative as he claims. Check out new PAC to stop Rick Perry from dividing conservatives and help Michele Bachmann http://www.keepconservativesunited.com/

  • BigRedConservative

    The practice of inserting advertising and links into unrelated materials is normally called spamming. If you want to voice your concerns about Perry (or indeed promote Bachmann) I think it’d be better if you choose a suitable thread.

  • gekster

    The web site you posted just looks like a leftist site to tear down Perry.
    And the Star Telegram article actually makes Perry look good.
    If you want to promote Bachmann, then do that.
    Ripping into Perry in the name of Bachmann will only serve to turn people off to Bachmann.
    That has happened with many posters trying to promote thier candidates
    by ripping into other candidates.

    from the Star Telegram article from the website:
    http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/07/16/3225809/texas-spending-kept-rising-for.html

    excerpt:
    When general revenue spending is examined by itself, the trends match better with the fiscal conservative image that Perry promotes. Though general revenue spending has grown with nearly every budget since Perry took office, it actually fell over the last decade an average of 0.6 percent every two years once those numbers are adjusted for inflation and the state’s booming population growth. It rose during Bush’s tenure.

    “Obviously fiscal restraint is always something the governor has made a priority,” Frazier said. “He’s the only Texas governor since World War II that has cut general revenue spending.”

    If you are actually trying to promote Bachmann,
    you are doing a very bad job of it.

  • MikeG (Icythus)

    N/t

  • sta46

    Is RS going to have it live or put up a video later or is there someplace where those of us unable to be there in person might be able to see it? THX

  • gracie

    Assume the 1:00 is Eastern.

  • http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

    C-Span, etc.
    Also online here; http://www.ustream.tv/channel/human-events-live

  • http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway
  • izoneguy
  • Scope

    His presidential website just went up-

    RickPerry.org

  • wilgolden

    because if I hear one more time how important a gauge of voter sentiment the straw poll is, I swear I’m gonna throw brick at the TV.

    Ron and the boyz have trucked and bussed in about 5000 ringers, just like they always do, and there “professional media” people all act like they belive the hype.

    Governor Perry is doing us all a favor by pulling the coverage away from the overhyped fund raiser for the Iowa Republican Party.

  • publiussteve

    Count me as one conservative who will not support Rick Perry. He has done nothing against illegal immigration while he has been governor, and in fact has long pandered to the pro-illegal alien crowd. His belated talking points on “sanctuary cities” fool no one.

  • gekster

    Got any links for that, and no lefty sites please.

  • Scope

    n/t

  • msctex

    . . .between now and 2006, and ask yourself if Perry will not potentially improve upon those numbers.

    It is really as simple as that. The nation could well not survive four more years of Barrack Obama. We can deal with Immigration down the road. We MUST right the ship first.

  • wilgolden

    Thank you.

  • publiussteve

    Well, that didn’t take long.

    Perry still supports the misnamed sanctuary-inducing “DREAM Act” (in-state tuition for illegal aliens), employers and state agencies are not required to use the federal database to verify legal status, he ridiculed the border fence, and illegals are entitled to and receive other services such as for drug treatment.

    He’s in the “ignore this issue,” then when pressed, “secure the border first” (then amnesty) crowd — just like John McCain.

  • Scope

    with tears in my eyes. I so wish I was there to be a part of history. You lucky ducks.

  • Scope

    is > that way.

    The Daily Paul is < that way.

    I don't think you will be happy here dude.

  • jstjoan

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61076.html

  • izoneguy
  • bs61

    And Erick is introducing him! Cool.

  • d_lamar

    nt

  • bs61

    I’d kinda enjoy hearing 4 years of pro-Capitalism talk. And him hating the EPA is a definite plus!

  • Kyle-MI

    You will have to do better than that.

  • aesthete

    I also think that he will help with down-ticket races. The question that Republicans should be asking are as follows, methinks:

    1) What does Perry have to say about entitlements? Has he said anything thus far? We need to have a President willing and able to cut entitlements significantly if we want the federal government to go back to being a solvent sovereign.

    2) What are Perry’s weaknesses? I know that many people, upon the victory of a Republican to office, are not going to want to think about potential flaws, but they exist with every candidate and we should be prepared to confront them. Euphoria is good for a lot of things, but it isn’t conducive to holding our elected officials to account.

    3) Will the Tea Party go away after 2013? Noting the demise of the anti-war movement, we need to make sure that the Tea Party remains a “party within a party” that will not be co-opted by the Republicans once they get into power.

  • gekster

    If you can’t back it up don’t spew it.

  • jmimac351

    Here too…

  • gekster

    It is an opinion piece, all the references are from previous positions, not recent ones, and Tancredo is a former Colorado congresssman,
    not a bastion of conservatism.
    And lastly, the article is posted on Politico, another bastion of conservatism.

    You will have to do very much better than that.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    Thanks for the link–I saved a copy for posterity.

  • jstjoan

    It doesn’t matter who says it. The facts are right there. He supports open borders and in state tuition for illegals.

  • onemovoter

    1) Perry would like to do away with SS and Medicare and move those down to the states if those states want to take them up. He mentioned how workers in TX back in the early 80′s opted out of SS and is doing much better. He’d like to see the same experiments in the states. See my diary on Rich Perry “Entitlement Problem”?

    2) There are some complaints put up about Perry, such as the Transnational road project and the immunization issue, his support along time ago of Al Gore in the 80′s, was a democrat switched Rep. So far though none of these issues have really been a big negative.

    3) The Tea Party is about spending and the debt, not politics. I don’t see it going away unless Perry gets in with a title wave behind him and is able to really change things.

  • d_lamar

    I liked it when he pointed out that when Obama wants more money out of the working people who pay taxes, using the fair share or spreading the wealth argument, Perry pointed out that over 50% of our population pay no taxes.

    That’s something that you’ll never hear from McConnell or Boehner.

    Also, his openly hostile attitude for the EPA is going to provide some great comments in the upcoming political discussions among the candidates.

  • Bill S

    Do you take liberal criticisms of conservatives at face value? I thought not. In this case, Tancredo’s position on immigration is just shy of “execute them as they cross the border”. A guy like that will never be satisfied with anyone else’s positions. So his commentary is taken with a mountain of salt, at best.

  • acat

    Go read and become enlightened. Start here. Don’t worry, it’s at Red State.

    Mew

  • izoneguy

    Vote for Perry because he’s not Obama

  • rememberthealamo

    Many will point to various policies or programs Perry has taken a stand on which they do not agree with. There is no perfect candidate. There will always be a point or two you wish your candidate stood differently on.

    Get over it now. Go with who you feel is best on most points that matter to you and the country. Realize that even if your fav candidate doesn’t win, the remaining candidate will still be vastly better for America than Obama.

    I support Perry strongly and will work for him and donate to him. But in the end, I will support the Republican candidate – period.

  • jstjoan

    He implemented a state version of the DREAM act and he’s criticized E-Verify. I don’t care who wrote the op-ed piece, you cannot deny the facts stated therein on Perry’s position on immigration.

    And if you need a conservatives opinion on this I’ll go with Warner Todd Houston who says: “Worse, Perry is against a fence policy and even supported blanket amnesty…But in the end, if you are going to be a major Perry supporter, you?ll just have to either agree with his moderate stance on immigration or decide that it isn?t important enough to worry about. But you can?t claim that Tancredo is wrong on his facts.”
    http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=9043

    Did Perry even mention immigration in his speech today? Why not?

  • Scope

    Other than the Perry announcement at RS, they have had Ron Paul on so many times today it’s sickening. You don’t see any of the other candidates in Iowa today getting much attention on Fox , except Ron Paul.

    I heard that there is fried Kool-Aid at the Iowa fair, no lie.

  • gekster

    if not Perry, then who do you like, or are you just going to play tribble.

  • acat

    And – again – we already hashed through this. Nothing stuck to Perry.

    On the Dream Act thing – a student at a State college is no longer fully “undocumented” – so I’m okay with it. Others are less so sanguine. I’d like to see automatic education (no work) visas issued as that would fully address the issue.

    On the E-Verify, Tancredo is selectively quoting Perry. Perry wants the border sealed first. I view E-Verify as a good defense-in-depth measure, but – with a sealed border, it’s not necessary.

    I suggest that you try to find another piece of mud and see if it’ll stick better.

    Mew

  • acat

    the MSM will cover both an Ames win or near-win by the GOP’s crazy uncle, and Perry’s formal announcement.

    My guess is they – including Fox* – will go wall-to-wall Ron Paul, as if Ames matters**.

    It’s disgusting, but .. what else can we expect from a bunch of J-skool kiddies?

    Mew

    * Fox, statistically, is more balanced than NBC, ABC, CNN, etc. … but that doesn’t mean their news division leans right, it just doesn’t lean left *as far*.

    ** What does Ames really measure?

  • acat

    Sent the Texas Rangers down to Falcon Lake, as someone around here pointed out.

    Thing is, the States – even Texas – are constrained in how they handle border enforcement by the Federal Government. We pay taxes to Uncle Sam to enforce the border, not Arizona, Texas, or California. (or New York or Minnesota for that matter)

    The point is, the Federal Government does border enforcement, not the Governor of Texas.

    Mew

  • Scope

    shortly after the Perry announcement where two guys were talking about Perry? Both agreed that as of today, it is not going to make much difference who wins the straw poll in Iowa today, because as of right know it is going to be a two man race Perry vs. Romney. Gee, I wonder who will win? LOL

  • gekster

    If the Feds did border enforcement, then states wouldn’t have to pass laws to do so.
    And you are right, we pay taxes to the Feds to enforce the border laws, this administration, as previous ones, just don’t do it.
    Just a minor point, but I know and agree with what you mean.

  • bs61

    But I think it’s because it’s been years since anyone proudly spoke of America!

  • jstjoan

    Leaning toward Herman Cain.

  • gekster

    ripping the one you know you dont like.
    Just a suggestion, not a demand.

  • Bill S

    You were asked for evidence and you provided an op-ed. If that’s all you have, well, you don’t have much, especially coming from a radical on the issue.

    And then you cite another op-ed/blog as support for the first one…and I’d trust that one even less. At least Tancredo is a congressman.

    If you’re gonna sling mud, at least come up with a credible source.

  • acat

    I’ll also raise you a quibble … didn’t the Obama administration threaten to (not sure if they followed through .. cat’s memory not so good when sleep-deprived) to sue Arizona over their S.B.1070 ?

    So .. not only didn’t this POTUS enforce the border, he (or his administration, fig leaves are possible) made it more difficult for States to do so.

    Mew

  • gekster

    from:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/06/us-obama-immigration-lawsuit-idUSTRE6653Q320100706

    headline:
    The Obama administration on Tuesday sued Arizona over the state’s strict new immigration law, attempting to wrestle back control over the issue but infuriating Republicans who said the border required more security.

    and Alabama also, just this aug 1st.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/01/justice-department-sues-alabama-over-controversial-immigration-law/

    headline:
    Justice Department Sues Alabama Over Controversial Immigration Law

    This Administration puts more effort and money into fighting it’s own people than in defending it from the real enemies of this country.
    And that right there friends, is a shame.

  • westcoastpatriette

    true position regarding illegal immigration and you do not share the concerns of most conservatives in your own views. For example, you say it would no longer bother you if the Dream Act passed as then illegals would no longer be undocumented and that you would like to see automatic education visas issued to fully address the issue.

    Most conservatives do not want any form of amnesty or Dream Act policies for illegals and feel securing the border is only a small way to address the problem. Those of us who feel strongly about this issue feel that E-Verify is hugely important as it would take away the biggest incentive for illegals to come here–the job magnet. We also do not want illegals rewarded in any way and prefer policies that would lead them to self-deport. That would include denying them access to social benefits including education for their children.

    In my state–California–we are saddled with three million illegals who flood our hospitals, schools and jails and they cost the taxpayers $22 billion a year all while they continue to break our laws to come here and continue breaking our laws to stay here.

    So, for some of us this is not a minor issue and while I am not yet convinced one way or another regarding Perry’s positions regarding this matter, I have had my fill of squishy Republicans who care more about the feelings of Mexico and Mexicans than they do Americans.

  • runner12

    I too have some concerns with Perry, but Tancredo’s piece is hardly trustworthy. If you follow the links in his own article, you will find that the E-verify quote was taken way out of context. Here is the full quote:

    “E-Verify would not make a hill of beans? difference when it comes to what?s happening in America today. You secure the border first, then you can talk about how to identify individuals in an immigration situation.? -Rick Perry

    Tancredo’s complete spin of this statement greatly undermines his credibility in this article. There are some valid concerns about Perry, but we need to triple check the sources before making decisions based off what other people say

  • gekster

    nt nt nt nt

  • runner12

    NT

  • westcoastpatriette

    familiar with it yet. But I am very in tune with what is happening in my state and am thoroughly disgusted with all the vacillation coming out of Washington for so many years and want someone who does not make excuses for illegal immigration and/or dodge the issue. So, vetting all of the candidates for where they stand will be important for me throughout the campaign. So far, everything I’ve heard about Perry’s views and comments are causing me to pause and dig deeper as it is very easy to con people before elected–as we all know.

  • acat

    you’ll see that Perry’s position has evolved, and that Tancredo is cherry-picking.

    Just a short hop away. It looks like, from what Scope turned up, Perry’s position has been evolving. I think I see a pattern to Perry’s evolution -specifically, the first change was when Bush left Texas, then when Bush won re-election. What we’re seeing now, 2010/2011, is likely his true belief.

    I view e-verify as a good defense-in-depth measure, and one that should be deployed. Please keep in mind that others who consider themselves conservatives (but who are actually more libertarian) consider it another government intrusion into our lives, and are throwing around scare tactics about it. A good example is this diary, that I’ve commented on.

    As long as we can remember that we’re working for the same general goal – a safe and prosperous America – a little disagreement here and there is fine. I’m quite sure you and I have very different views, for one thing I’m not from CA – although IL has its’ own illegal problems – so .. rather than going after Perry, let’s try and discuss what we think the goals are and then how to move Perry in that direction.

    Mew