So, Wednesday – while campaigning in Illinois, although I understand that we’re supposed to pretend that Obama isn’t actually campaigning, for some bizarre reason – the President of the United States faced with a technical question (the effects of new EPA’s soil and dust regulations on Illinois farmers) by a technical expert (an Illinois farmer). Despite the fact that the technical question is in fact supposedly within Barack Obama’s level of expertise, the President decided instead to make slight fun of the probably-not-voting-for-him-anyway technical expert by chiding him about believing rumors and suggesting that the technical expert call the Department of Agriculture.
Well. There was a Politico reporter who actually decided to see what would happen if s/he did precisely that. So s/he did. As near as I can tell, the original inquiry about “information related to the effects of noise and dust pollution rules on Illinois farmers” turned into a two day affair involving at least ten phone calls, seven separate, discrete offices (almost all of which also included internal phone tag), and at least twelve individuals. And as for the final answer? This is what they sent (yes, sent, via safely distancing email):
“Secretary Vilsack continues to work closely with members of the Cabinet to help them engage with the agricultural community to ensure that we are separating fact from fiction on regulations because the administration is committed to providing greater certainty for farmers and ranchers. Because the question that was posed did not fall within USDA jurisdiction, it does not provide a fair representation of USDA’s robust efforts to get the right information to our producers throughout the country.”
Shorter USDA: “I dunno. Call the President.”
Lots of people – Jonah Goldberg in particular – are going off on this, but I’d like to explain why the President made such a dunderheaded comment as this. It has to do with his rather parochial background. Obviously, nothing in Barack Obama’s life until 1996 would have had him dealing with the Department of Agriculture: from college on he was firmly implanted in the warm, comforting isolation unit that is urban liberal academia. The odds of him having to navigate the byzantine agricultural bureaucracies? Nil. In fact, he probably rarely had to interact with government bureaucracies at their worst at all. Many people manage not to – unless there’s an unique problem*.
And after 1996, when Barack Obama became a legislator – and thus a person who did deal with government bureaucracies on a regular basis? Well. That’s precisely when the power dynamic would have changed for him anyway. You see, when a regular citizen calls a government bureaucrat, the former is counting on the latter having a good day, or at least not a bad one. But when even a state senator calls a government bureaucrat, that bureaucrat is the one who has to worry about good and bad days all of a sudden. Put more explicitly: Illinois State Senator Obama could reliably expect that his calls would be well-received, and that a prompt response would be provided. US Senator Obama could reliably expect that calls made by his staffers would be well-received, and that a prompt response would be provided. President Obama is used to having every random information request that he makes be immediately jumped upon by an eager policy wonk and sent off to be answered by the relevant agency, who will of course treat that request with the highest possible priority.
So of course Barack Obama thinks that calling the USDA is not only a bright idea, but it’s such an obvious one that only the ignorant or obtuse wouldn’t get it immediately. He’s almost certainly never neither had the relevant life experiences, nor the intellectual curiosity, to discover otherwise.
Moe Lane (crosspost)
*To be fair, many government agencies officials do in fact at least try to be helpful; particularly if you have a genuine emergency – like, say, having a swarm of bees in your house. But you never know.
Jeff Emanuel
Does
DerKrieger (Diary) Friday, August 19th at 8:51PM EDT (link)…the Dept. Of Ag have a legitimate function?
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
As a research/information source? Sure.
Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, August 19th at 8:54PM EDT (link)There’s a place for having something that funds boring, long-term studies with no immediate commercial use. Not that it’s actually even doing that properly, as the above demonstrates.
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They make the nutrition analysis database.
Menlo (Diary) Friday, August 19th at 11:32PM EDT (link)They analyze and publish a free database of all the nutrients and components of most basic foods. It’s actually a very handy tool, though I don’t know why the USDA does it.
They also do certification for foods labeled “USDA organic.”
Beyond those two things, I’m not sure what they do.
“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter
How about providing jobs
radicalrighty Saturday, August 20th at 6:59AM EDT (link)for racist thieves like Shirley Sherrod.
The USDA
neukm Saturday, August 20th at 1:28PM EDT (link)also administers the food stamp program, or whatever it is called by now, which is appropriated by the Farm Bill. As a farmer, I get frustrated when people see the size of the farm bill, and assume all that money is going to farmers.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=310
But, I see you added the qualifier “legitimate”
The whole thing was a red herring anyway.
Loren Heal (Diary) Friday, August 19th at 9:00PM EDT (link)The farmer wasn’t asking for help in knowing what to do. He was telling the President that what what the agrocrats are forcing on farmers is ridiculously difficult and a source of ill will.
And the President dealt with him as he always deals with people: treats them as idiots.
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Rule by regulation
tjexcite (Diary) Friday, August 19th at 9:10PM EDT (link)One line in some obscure farm bill is all that is needed and 100 new regulation are created. The ones creating the regulation as are not elected officials but bureaucrats that do nothing but push papers around They saw a cow once and have never been to a farm but they draft rules for farms everywhere.
Just the way they want it, Even if all of congress is replaced these regulation can never be removed just not enforce until the old party get back in and build on. The goal is to have the regulations come from the UN or other world organization and thus it is then new system that no one can remove at any level.
When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all
Why can't they be removed?
littlehouse18 (Diary) Friday, August 19th at 11:55PM EDT (link)..
Removed? Why?
Adjoran (Diary) Saturday, August 20th at 12:53AM EDT (link)They are doing exactly what they were put there to do.
You don’t straighten this mess out by eliminating bad or superfluous employees. You straighten it out by eliminating bad or superfluous divisions, agencies, and departments.
I meant the regulations.
littlehouse18 (Diary) Saturday, August 20th at 5:18PM EDT (link)tjexcite asserted that once a regulation is created it can never be removed.
I like contemplating eliminating departments, etc.
You must understand, the bureaucrats enforcing the regulations are not supposed to know what is in the regulations
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, August 19th at 9:13PM EDT (link)Because then they would have to objectively apply them to everyone.
Instead, we all need to be caught in an incoherent web of regulations that allow anyone to be found guilty at any time, and every day that we get away with our daily lives it is at the grace and mercy of those regulators who are taking care of us – as long as we stay in line!
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
William Buckley accurately stated that
davesinsanantonio (Diary) Monday, August 22nd at 5:12AM EDT (link)“bureaucracy at its worst is better than bureaucracy at its best”.
Obama's aloof arrogance
SoFiMil (Diary) Friday, August 19th at 9:35PM EDT (link)reminds me of the time a few months ago scoffed at a man with 10 children, and chided him the problem was simple, and that all he needed to do was buy a hybrid van.
www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
Seems like Obama has done thing like
runner12 (Diary) Saturday, August 20th at 12:56AM EDT (link)this throughout his Presidency. This man’s arrogance and condescension to the American people knows no bounds.
No wonder a Senator referred to him on a radio talk show as his ” Imperial Majesty.” It seems quite appropriate, don’t you think?
"Mad Barack"
bethrorie Monday, August 22nd at 3:04PM EDT (link)That’s what John Hayward called him. I love it because it’s the best fit for his arrogance and cluelessness.
I wish I hadn't seen this...
Michael M (Diary) Saturday, August 20th at 12:45AM EDT (link)… because this was going to be my first Diary post. But, one point above and beyond this: this provides so much insight into his health care plan. Because of how bureaucrats treat him, he is genuinely shocked when people suggest that bureaucrats running health care may be interested in anything other than the best outcome for every American.
Very much looking forward to you diaries Phoenix0401. [nt]
SoFiMil (Diary) Saturday, August 20th at 6:55AM EDT (link).
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First one is posted...
Michael M (Diary) Sunday, August 21st at 7:44PM EDT (link)… please don’t be too harsh to it.
Isn't this the same Obama who said
Adjoran (Diary) Saturday, August 20th at 1:11AM EDT (link)he was better on policy than all his policymakers, and a better speechwriter than any of his speechwriters?
The guy’s whole strength was supposed to have been his command of details and “neutral” calculation on courses of action, right? Isn’t he the “post-partisan” President, the ultimate policy wonk-in-chief?
But he knows details of NONE of it. He delegated detail work on TARP II, the Stimulua (ARRA), and his signature ObamaCare to Pelosi and Reid, who couldn’t begin to tell you what was in any of those themselves, except that they were “shovel-ready” to “rebuild the infrastructure, roads and bridges” and would “put America back to work.”
So he isn’t a big idea guy, he isn’t a detail guy, and the people he delegates authority to abuse and misuse it and can’t account for any of what they did with it.
Why is he President, again?
Just axing . . .
As the not-so-great one told Harry Reid, "I have a gift."
SoFiMil (Diary) Saturday, August 20th at 7:03AM EDT (link)Even among the most arrogant people I gave come across, I have *never* heard someone respond to a compliment in this manner. Disturbingly bizarre.
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He is just a figurehead, a puppet
evas Monday, August 22nd at 7:42AM EDT (link)for those pulling the strings behind the curtain. Did you actually believe he was qualified in any way to be the POTUS? Of course he has to delegate. He just “looks good, looks clean and can speak without a Negro accent when he wants to”, remember what Biden said? That’s all.
Obama doesn't know anything about agriculture
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Saturday, August 20th at 3:38AM EDT (link)or farming. He thinks corn and tomatoes spring from Whole Foods just like money grows on trees.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
Ask the Correct Agency
spinoneone Saturday, August 20th at 4:13AM EDT (link)and maybe you will get an answer. This is not a USDA rule. It was proposed by the EPA in 2009 and is drawing more fire now.
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/02/25/25greenwire-pre-emptive-attacks-on-dust-rules-draw-rebuke-66421.html
I actually thought he did ok with his answer.
snowshooze (Diary) Saturday, August 20th at 2:46PM EDT (link)http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0811/call_uncle_sam_5c130fdd-0e34-4b04-99e1-3d923ea3919e.html
There is the politico video,
Seemed pretty sincere. Doesn’t know it was an EPA issue.
I wish the Farmer would have simply said…
” Ok, let’s call them right now ”
Now, that would have been reeeely fun.
Ask a government bureaucrat?
hwgood Monday, August 22nd at 5:44AM EDT (link)Didn’t Bam-Bam ever have to deal with a problem with his driver’s license or vehicle registration before he became a State Senator? Or does he believe that since it’s different for him now, it’s different for everyone?
This is all the more reason
popster Monday, August 22nd at 7:02AM EDT (link)to vote these bureaucratic nincompoops out. Elect people who have the common sense to read the bills, and at least appoint people who have the intelligence to investigate what they are regulating.