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Rubio. Birthers.

Well alrighty, then.

By: Moe Lane (Diary)  |  August 24th, 2011 at 11:00 AM  | 

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The Daily Caller has the details*:

Here’s how the logic works (according to World Net Daily’s Joe Kovacs): “While the Constitution does not define ‘natural-born citizen,’ there is strong evidence that the Founding Fathers understood it to mean someone born of two American citizens.”

Kovacs (and he is not alone) goes on to reason that Rubio’s “eligibility is in doubt” because — though his parents were legal U.S. residents when he was born — they were not yet naturalized citizens.

Now, I am supposed to write something at this point like “Well, at least they’re being consistent.” I’m not going to be doing that. Instead, I’m going to be writing this. Under our current definition of ‘natural-born citizen,’ this guy:

…is perfectly eligible to be President and/or Vice President of the United States of America. It just so happens that I would prefer that he spend the rest of the decade in the Senate, then run for Governor of Florida, then become President – because I’m greedy that way – but nonetheless, under the current rules he is eligible.

But if your definition of ‘natural-born citizen’ means that you have to question the eligibility of this guy…

…then let me be the first to inform you: YOU ARE CURRENTLY FROLICKING IN THE ENDLESS, SUN-LIT PLAINS OF STUPIDITY.

Via @IMAO_.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

PS: “Your stance would make Marco Rubio ineligible for President” is a valid rebuttal to your argument. This is politics, not higher mathematics/formal logic.

*If you really need to see the link, here: h ttp://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=297485

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  • wilgolden

    The current occupant of the White House had some question along these lines. I believe that at least one of his parents was a furriner.

    Please correct me if I misrecall this little detail . . .

  • skorrent1

    “Current definition” of “natural born citizen”? Does it mean that the “anchor baby” of illegal immigrants is eligible to be president? Not good. Whether Obama’s anti-American attitude derives in whole from his maternal side, or in part from his “dreams” of his father, his dual citizenship did not serve to anchor him firmly in American culture.

    There are many immigrants and legal residents that are wonderful people who can contribute to America in many ways. Becoming president is not necessarily one of those ways.

  • http://paulfallavollita.com fallavollita

    I agree with the findings in Dr. Corsi’s recent book–America has forgotten the true definition of “natural born citizen” to her peril. Neither Obama nor Rubio cut the mustard, and we have to stick to a consistent (not watered-down) standard regardless of whether we might politically agree with some of the politicians affected. Everything we do today sets a precedent for tomorrow (which could be used against us), and there won’t always be a Rubio around.

  • billybee

    Is it fair to bring this up when the topic has been forbidden and people banned for bringing it up? Some people have strong opinions on this, but how can they respond to this without drawing wrath?

  • http://aposematic.wordpress.com aposematic

    If our current POTUS was/is eligible, anyone born anywhere in the World is eligible…the president has now been set…the US Constitution has been rendered a useless bird cage liner!

  • Mike

    …the anticipation is SO MUCH FUN!!!!

  • benjaminz

    And where exactly do you believe Obama was born?

  • Joshua Persons

    “Fairness”, in terms of making sure all perspectives are heard, is not a goal of Redstate. And it shouldn’t be. This is an advocacy and activist site, not a public forum.

  • Joshua Persons

    (no text)

  • http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/ Aziz Poonawalla

    buried in the article is this little tidbit:

    “Bobby was actually in the womb of his mother, Raj Jindal, when she made the move from overseas.”

    Clearly, they are laying groundwork for a new category, “natural conceived citizen”

    what is wrong with these people??

  • funwithknives

    then Barry was/is not a citizen, pure and simple.”Interpretation” and allowing judges footnotes to violate our Constitution, led to this mess.
    “Born” has Zero to do with it. Were Both parents citzens? Oh , only one? Then no, he is not. But there I go, acting like an extreme racist, & terrorist again. Shame on ME!

  • smitch61

    birthers, it is quite odd to start a topic on it… but okay. I do remember a certain entry when it was absolutely ridiculous for people to dare to question even the possibility of a long form birth certificate…. and low and behold Trump got a certain individual to produce one…

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    BLAM.

    Bye, birther!

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Don’t ever spout off birther nonsense in this forum again. Period. End sentence. I can enforce this.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …this is safely within the lines.

  • dmacleo

    ban away, been kicked of better and don’t care.

  • dmacleo

    but I did not have have a clear feel for his situation and how a non-binding sen. resolution changed it.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …not using Reply To This has *saved* somebody: I don’t know if the poster has actually crossed the line.

  • dmacleo

    it sucks badly but rubio not eligible.
    kept silent on it here re: obama as it now serves no purpose but will not knowingly and willingly help promote a candidate who is not eligible.

    have at it however you want.

  • dmacleo

    thought I hit reply button, sorry.
    was direct reply to Moe Lane.

  • gekster

    Should have taken your own advice and kept silent.
    And Rubio IS a US citizen.

  • dmacleo

    n/t

  • Joshua Persons

    no text

  • smitch61

    He was not a citizen, that is not the issue.. ..

  • steve010

    They came over on a raft like boat in 1959. Marco was born in Miami. Even if he was born on the raft he would be an American citizen since all people who come here from Cuba cannot be repatriated to Cuba.

  • steve010

    for President in 2020. Cuba will be the 51, 52, or 53rd State. Therefore, no one can say that he isn’t a natural born citizen. (Break Mexico into 2 States.)

  • aesthete

    People be crazy.

  • aesthete

    Glad we don’t have anything else going on that might require our focus.

  • acat

    Jindal’s parents are from India.

    These are not the same at all.

    Mew

  • aesthete

    (Just in case that wasn’t you continuing the sarcasm, ANKOR = anchor; ANKOR =/= Angkor.)

  • acat

    (and yes, that was me continuing the snark/sarcasm)

    If Louisiana and Texas weren’t so geographically close, I’d love to see V.P. Jindal. I hope to see him in a major role in the Perry administration, although I feel slightly sad for the citizens of Louisiana.

    Mew

  • runner12

    I am not sure I understand the controversy here. Rubio’s parents came as political refugees, the legal way and became citizens. They had Rubio in America as citizens. Why wouldn’t he be eligible?

  • YnotNOW

    From a territory to a State.
    Which would bode very poorly for the Congressional representation.
    Cuba would not be much better (the ones who escaped were more conservative than those who put up with or stuck with the dictator)

  • acat

    Seriously. United Mexican States.

    Mew

  • acat

    Helps to link the image, not the html wrapper.

    Mew

  • YnotNOW

    If Mexico became part of the US, enacting what Ross Perot wrongly thought of NAFTA
    – Mexico would only deign to join the USA if their economy collapsed
    – Which would mean welfare and govt corruption would eat half the GDP of the US
    = giant sucking sound

  • JSobieski

    The fact that the writers show no embarassment on this point shows you how inaccurate our public discourse has become.

    People just assert certain things without doing any research whatsoever. Given all of the tools at our collective disposal, this is sad statement on the human condition.

  • aesthete

    run for President at some point in the future, either. (Though we’ve got a bumper crop of great Governors to choose from in 2016-2020 — much better than anything we’ve had for a while, now.)

  • dmacleo

    cuba was US Protectorate and not sure how that plays in.
    if I am wrong I will admit it.

  • acat

    I do not think it would be sucking for long. What’s lacking isn’t know-how, labor, nor resources but a playing field that’s level “enough” to give people the ability to take a risk and build a business.

    The current government is an oligarchy at best and a kleptocracy at worst, and neither are condusive to new small businesses, which provide most of the jobs in the U.S., eh?

    Mew

  • GregInFla

    And Obama is making sure it stays that way. We are like Mexico in this regard. Just wanted to say what I know you wanted to say, but left off.

  • spinoneone

    includes, according to the Supreme Court, any person born within the jurisdiction of the United States and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States [automatically excludes children of diplomatic parents unless one of the parents is a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth]. This includes, inter alia, all children both of whose parents are U.S. citizens, U.S. permanent resident aliens, or parents legally in the U.S. at the time of birth, and any child born in the U.S. one of whose parents meets the above standard. One can also be born outside the U.S. and be a citizen at birth under a wide range of circumstances. The Supreme Court has not determined, as far as I know, whether the child of an illegal alien[s] born in the U.S. is a “natural born citizen” nor whether a person automatically acquiring U.S.citizenship when born abroad is a “naturally born citizen.” Senator Rubio is a “naturally born citizen” of the United States of America.

  • JSobieski

    If either of the following is true, a person is a natural born citizen:

    (1) Born in the US. This leg is true even if neither parent is a citizen. The only exception to this pathway to natural born citizenship is if your parents are diplomats. Note that both Rubio and Obama were born in the US, and thus both are natural born citizens.

    OR

    (2) Both parents are citizens. Two Americans have a kid who is born in Germany, regardless of how German law would treat the birth, the individual would be a natural born citizen of the US.

    People claiming Rubio isn’t a citizen don’t understand what “OR” means. The status of Rubio’s parents at the time of his birth is irrelevant since he was born on US soil.

    The 14th Amendment as NOTHING to say about “natural born citizen”. Nothing in the 14th Amendment distinguishes a the birthplace of any citizen. In fact, the only permissible discimination in the Constitution regarding the birth place of citizen is in the determination of “natural born citizen”

  • JSobieski

    Rubio was born in the US, and thus he is a natural born citizen.

  • acat

    Pemex vs. ExxonMobil – hands down ExxonMobil.

    I agree, though – the greenies want to move us back to the dark ages, when the academics in their cloistered towers were shown “proper” humility by us working serfs.

    I may exaggerate slightly.

    Mew

  • YnotNOW

    to reform a corrupt Mexican kleptocracy and bring their economy into US-level productive capacity? Our own productivity is being eroded under liberal doo-gooder-ism and regulatory overreach (and entitlement mentality).

    Remember my first assertion – Mexico would only join the USA if their economy totally collapsed and that was their last hope to reviive, which would make the task that much more challenging.

    An interesting hypothetical, but only an unlikely one.

  • CMaree

    JSobieski, could you provide a specific, unbiased citation that supports your expressed dual parameters on U.S. “natural born citizens?”
    Especially the citation that includes the “or” conjunction.
    Thanks.