Its up there with Taranto’s Best of the Web from WSJ.

plus she is loose with the facts. Her lie that Perry would have forced girls to have the vaccine is the last straw. The opt out provision is the definition of not being forced. Add this to her attacks on Pawlenty and others that were not true and she is history to me. Go back to the House where you do vote right on the issues.

so the can force the other candidates to respond to her oft “out there” stuff.

Think about it.

In the last debate Ron Paul brought up the vaccination issue to attack Perry with, and this next debate brings Bachmann out into Paulian tactics, but on steroids. Paul published an article, at the Lew Rockwell site, saying that no government should ever force anyone to take vaccinations, and his argument had to do with a vaccination that eradicated a particular worldwide disease. He believed it should be left up strictly to the patient and his/her doctor. So, if some don’t want to take a vaccination, and some do, the disease can never be eradicated, similar to your argument Moe, that you don’t want your kids around those that don’t get vaccinated.

EE said that some of the Paul supporters are now going with Bachmann, and I must wonder if they are just willing to exchange one loon for another, when neither has any chance of winning. It only helps Romney.

-that turning platitudes and slogans into meaningful policy positions is futile.

This is me, waiving goodbye to Bachmann.

Perhaps she can quit the race and also endorse Romney? Ya know, because he shares her contempt for Perry’s HPV EO?

and plays into the hands of the anti-vaccine crowd. A population of people whom I have empathy for, but I fear have caused great harm among children.

Not only has Dr. Wakefield been pointed out as a fraud, with his medical license removed, but it is arguable that the movement he led against the MMR booster has caused a rise in Measles outbreaks.

According to the CDC, in 2008 more measles outbreaks were reported than in any other year since 1997. Ninety-percent of those infected had not been vaccinated.

There are some vaccines that do have side-effects, but most are known and are communicated to the patient prior to innoculation.

• What “mandatory” vaccines did each of your kids receive?
• Did you “opt in” to receive each of them, or did you view it as automatic?
• Did you have an “opt out” option on any of them that you chose not to exercise?
• Did you “opt out” of any others and if so which ones and why?
• Do you believe there should be any mandatory vaccinations for children or teenagers?
• What campaign contributions directly (pharma) or indirectly (doctors) have you received related to any vaccines or the administration of them?
• What legislations related to “abuse” of vaccinations have you sponsored or co-sponsored in the House
• As President, what sort of legislation related to vaccinations would you propose?
• What kind of “litmus test” related to vaccinations would you use in choosing nominees to head the CDC and HHS?

I’m sure there are plenty others, but this is a start.

Gardasil has issues. that’s for sure. Those who are aware of them shouldn’t be dismissed as teh crazies

It’s funny that people who see the inherent lack of trustworthiness in government policies and institutions have this blind faith in the CDC that used to advocate transfats, tobacco and flouride, etc. The same people who see how moronic Obamacare is are often determined to NOT look into why a 12 hour old infant needs a Heb B vaccine (high risk group is prostitutes and drug users) that only lasts 5 years and then “needs” that vaccine again before they can even start such high risk behavior. $$$$ follow the money and ask the hard questions. Don’t be intellectual cowards. The blind acceptance and defense of vaccines across the board is pathetic. Most of these diseases were almost wiped out or trending sharply downward BEFORE vaccines came long.

One of lead researchers for Gardasil stated, “She says data available for Gardasil shows that it lasts five years; there is no data showing that it remains effective beyond five years. ” (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/cbsnews_investigates/main5253431.shtml)

But yes, Bachmann shouldn’t go into vaccine issues at all in this endeavor.

Just focus on liberty and how the government should stay out of the bullying parents business period. There is no institution that should be more sovereign from government interference than the family.

10,000s are getting the diseases they were vaccinated against; it’s hilarious that the most adamant bashers of those with concerns about vaccines do not even know this and aren’t willing to look into it further before digging their intellectual heels in.

She needs to be told to drop out and quit embarrassing conservatives.

This Bachmann supporter is now a Perry supporter after that exchange. You may think the HPV discussion was effective politics for Bachmann, but it shows me that Michele is an empty suit. As Erick says, no jobs experience, no executive experience, so she has to resort to this BS. No thanks.

Before we all get off in the weeds over the vaccination issue, consider this.

It’s disingenuous to lump Gardasil in with every other vaccination required by the state. Mumps, measles and rubella aren’t the same as HPV, which is an STD. It’s not something spread by casual contact.

Basically, Perry took money from Merck to tell every young Texas teenage girl, “We think you’re a skank.”

for Bachmann to withdraw from the presidential primaries and go run against Amy Klobuchar. Bachmann’s vote is needed in the US Senate where RINOs abound. She would be doing herself, the country and the TEA party movement far more good than running for president.

Michelle Bachmann’s comments to and about Rick Perry’s decision to inoculate young girls for the HPV virus were over the top and had already been addressed in the previous debate. If that’s all shes got I’ll pass. Gov. Perry has admitted on multiple occasions that he probably should have pursued this action through the legislature and has stated that there was in fact an “opt out” provision in the order. Ms. Bachmann and Mr. Santorum have worn this issue out in an effort to score points for their failing campaigns. Ms. Bachmann has gone as far as to state that a mother claimed that her daughter became mentally retarded as a result of the vaccine. There is no medical or any other evidence to support such a claim and she knew that when she said it.
I have previously contributed to Michelle Bachmann’s campaign. I will no longer support her in any way. As to Santorum…he couldn’t hold a senate seat in his own state and he whines like a girl. Rick Perry has his flaws but is still the most viable candidate at this time.

“Mental retardation” develops before birth or manybe within a few weeks thereafter.

A girl takes Gardasil when she is 10 years old, or later.

So, how can taking a Gardasil vaccine possibly cause “mental retardation”?

It makes no sense at all.

This shows Bachmann will believe and say anything that suits her immediate purposes. Or she is devoid of simple logic.

Either way, it is the opposite of being a principled conservative.

I see a clear distinction between vaccinations for communicable diseases that can be passed through non-sexual contact (e.g., MMR, Hepatitis) and HPV. I have a little trouble squaring Perry’s statement that he wants to make the government as inconsequential in my life as possible with his signing the EO for HPV, notwithstanding the opt out provision and his good intentions to prevent cancer. It was just a bad idea, and while I appreciate Perry’s backbone in sticking to his guns on other issues, when you’re wrong, admit it and move on.

Had Perry said he was wrong, and that he should have presented the vaccine as an opt-in rather than opt-out decision (Santorum’s position), the issue would most likely be dead now. I found his apology lacking.

Michelle Malkin has always been one of my favorites. However, she is on a mission to bring Perry down over this Gardasil issue.

Bachmann and Palin are doing the same thing. Neither one of them will be our candidate and if either was, she would be destroyed in the general election even by a floundering Obama.

I hope these ideological purists are happy when they weaken Perry to the point that Obama squeaks by for another four years.

All over an HPV vaccination issue that Perry has admitted was a mistake.

Is this the biggest issue facing the American people who are suffering under 10+% unemployment, a collapsing economy, declining home values, a nuclear Iran and a Middle East heading towards Armageddon, and an entitlement state about to enslave our children and grandchildren?

I think not.

Perry has at least admitted his (re: HPV).

Romney is still boasting about his.

that Michelle Bachman is telling the truth? That someone actually DID approach her after the debate? Just askin’

Perry, Romney, Bauchmann, Huntsman, Newt, Santorum they are all poloticians first, idealist second. Cheif amoung these is both Romney and Perry. Romeny has been beaten to death on here for his flip floppiness so I wont go into it again. But yes, so is Perry. Perry is a good, maybe even great politician, he is not a Regan like leader of the conservative movement. He is an opportunist, and as one in the state of texas he has a record that many of us on here and confusing with conservative intrisic values that he has. He wants to keep his electorate happy, nothing more, nothing less. He is the GOP version of Bill Clinton and I mean that in a positive and negative way.

So my point here in this is why get all stressed out obsessing over the mistakes that both of these guys have made as govennors, they are not conservatives idealists and I”m sorry to burst your bubble if you are holding out hope for that. They are though, both major improvements over our current occupant in the white house and therefore the main question we should be asking is who is going to beat Obama.

It would be a lot of fun for a few days … and then the adults would get back to thinking about what constitutes the best available set of character traits they want in the next executive head of this incredible and vast nation…

How many posts on here today trying to take down Bachmann on the Gardasil issue? Redstate is reliably falling behind the GOP establishment to define which of the current candidates are electable (Romney and Perry) and doing their best to discredit an actual conservative candidate over her views on a freaking vaccine. Because THAT is what matters…not voting records, not executive orders, Bachmann’s Tenth Amendment analysis of Romneycare and her opposition to Gardasil make her “ignorant” and “crazy” and therefore we write her off in support of

Gosh, if this were an actual tea party conservative website (which I don’t know that it claims to be), maybe a more appropriate headline would be “Perry doubles down on Texas DREAM Act”. I won’t hold my breath.