Prescription or over-the-counter?

j/k

Honestly, this doesn’t surprise me–it is California and all. I’d like to see them try to get this past the Supreme Court.

Jerry knows if he signs it there will be a battle.
Funny about the unloaded thing…
If you are carrying you best be carrying loaded I would think. Not so bad in an auto or if you have a speed loader I guess, but it seems silly to me.

I think most liberals don’t like open or concealed carry. My observation is that liberals are the “in your face” members largely. For instance, my wife almost got hit by a truck running a stop sign recently, and I got cut off on the expressway by a Cadillac Escalade. The common denominator? Both had a “No SB 5″ bumper sticker (this is Ohio, after all). Liberals are afraid that a conservative will treat them as they would treat someone else and draw the gun and shoot them for their bad behavior.

Can you imagine how it would reduce union violence if one of the persons crossing a picket line, patrolling the area, etc, might do violence to them in return with a gun?

How is the Brady Center “fascists” by any normal definition of the term?

was quoted in today’s newspaper as saying he was not happy with the approx. 600 bills that were dumped on his desk at the end of this legislative session and chances are that he would veto most of them. Let’s only hope he keeps his word.

is the same as a hammer in a carpenters pouch.
both are only good for hitting someone and the hammer is actuallt MUCH more dangerous then.

ban open hammer carry please as i’se afraid of the big bad hammer.

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I meant to write friggin well meaning people but I typed it and the keyboard entered that…

Getting a CCW license in CA is damn near impossible in most counties. California is a “may issue” state for CCWs, which means that if a person has “good cause” for being armed (what amounts to “good cause” is undefined and whether you have one is entirely at the unbound discretion of the local chief of police or sheriff), then the chief of police or sheriff MAY issue a CCW. Needless to say, the only way one has a “good cause” for being armed is if they are connected, contribute to the sheriff’s campaign or famous.

Most states are “shall issue” – which means that if you pass a background check then the local authorities must issue a CCW.

I’m an attorney and had a client who had a contract out on his life by the largest gang in southern CA because he was a potential witness against their local enforcer. The head of the local DA’s office suggested that I get a CCW and said that if I didn’t have “good cause” then no one in the world had good cause. My good cause was self-evident. Any thug with two brain cells to rub together might get the idea that if they can’t find their intended target, then the target’s attorney might know where he was, thereby making me a target.

I applied for a CCW with the local police. It took them three months of sitting on their hands to tell me “no”, you don’t have good cause. They reasoned that if I had good cause then every lawyer defending a criminal had good cause and they couldn’t abide by that. I carried open and unloaded because the thugs might not know differently and if I needed it I could load in a few seconds – of course the assinine nature of the open carry law would leave me completely undefended in those few seconds, but it was better than being unarmed entirely. Now they want to take away all possible means of self-defense.

However, the gun grabbers may have misfired and shot themselves in the foot. Two cases have recently been decided in district court cases and are now on appeal. In both cases the courts stated that the reason why the law permitting local authorities unbridled discretion to deny CCWs is that the State’s unloaded open carry law suffices to fulfill their rights under the second amendment to bear arms. The right to open carry unloaded will be abolished if Brown signs the new law and therefore there’s a good chance that the appellate courts will find that “may issue” for CCWs is no longer constitutional since there will be no other way to bear arms outside the home in California except for a CCW license.

or their bodyguards, but they’re certainly not for the little people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJVpCMyMKWU

Bay Area Open Carry has been vocal about this issue, and there are several news stories about them. Also, they and others carry flip-cams to record their interactions with the police. You’ll find several examples with a youtube search.

I live in Livermore and have seen these guys around, but don’t know them personally. For all intents and purposes its impossible in our county to get a concealed carry permit. To address the question some have posed about the usefulness of carrying an unloaded weapon, notice in the video that they are carrying loaded clips on the opposite hip.

Of course they’d rather have a CCW and carry a loaded sidearm, but the chances of that happening in Alameda County are about as likely as Democrats writing sensible legislation.

The more obvious thing about this issue is many of the gang bangers in Livermore are carrying concealed weapons. As they say, when you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

The more people who realize they are their own first line of defense and act to be effective about it by getting a gun, the more people might think about what else they can do for themselves.
Get enough folks doing that and liberalism is sunk without a trace.

but isn’t the current open carry movement in Cali a result of a loophole and not a law that permits open carry. I thought the current law explicitly prohibited carrying loaded firearms and the failure to mention unloaded firearms created the loophole.

I would assume Brown is going to sign the bill but I hope the reciprocity bill currently in the house passes Congress and gives Californians an alternative method for obtaining a CHL.