Background: there was a ranch in Texas with an unfortunate name*. Gov. Rick Perry’s father rented the hunting rights of the camp; when the family discovered that there was a rock on the premises with the aforementioned unfortunate name on it, they first painted over, then turned over, the rock**. Almost thirty years pass. In the meantime, Rick Perry switches parties; takes over the hunting rights; watches as the Texas legislature handles the problem of unfortunate names; gets elected Governor; and eventually stops using the property. The Washington Post, apparently looking to replicate the same magic in 2011 that caused them in 2009 to be rechristened The Washington Bob McDonnell’s Thesis, begins the process of trying to blow this story up.
Contra Jim Geraghty, who is wearily tired of junk like this, I submit that it would be fairly simple to counter the WaPo’s rather naked and fairly sad agitprop; and it involves using Gov. McDonnell’s strategy of calling in any paper that’s interested to a media availability. Once there, Gov. Perry should simply patiently explain the circumstances of the ranch, over and over and over and over again, until the other papers realize that the WaPo’s being gonzo partisan crazy again and go find something else to report about.
Then the rest of us can laugh at the WaPo as they try harder and harder to be the news, rather than report it…
Moe Lane (crosspost)
*Euphemism deliberate. If you want to go look up the name, go find a lefty blogger. Being white liberals, they’re more or less overjoyed at the prospect of being able to use the word in public and get away with it… oops, did I just type that out? Bad Moe! Bad! No biscuit!
**Note, by the way, that the family didn’t actually have the right as hunting rights leaseholders to do either – although I can’t imagine that anybody was going to sue them for that.
Jeff Emanuel
Ya but there was reasonable suspicion...
jaykali (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 10:25AM EDT (link)It’s like when you get pulled over, they had reasonable suspicion to scour Rick Perry for racism. He is from Texas, he has an accent, he is a Tea Party guy – they needed to look in that trunk for racist paraphernalia.
Are they checking Mitt Romney’s estates for Racist stones? Probably not, they’re more likely looking into what cult-seances he’s been participating in.
Now you say well this story can be explained away…ya sure it can. But just like Jared Laughner, once 1 liberal paper publishes something the rest can put their talking points to use story ‘X’ as an example of why a new assertion is true. So the next racist claim they make will be ‘strengthened’ by Rick Perry’s ‘history’ of racist run-ins.
Good Points. According to the Al Sharpton's of the
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 10:36AM EDT (link)world we are all Racists.That’s just the way it is.
http://www.afro.com/sections/news/national/story.htm?storyid=72645
Cain, Sharpton Target Perry Over Hunting Ranch Labeled with Slur
Rev $harpton
harryvarden Monday, October 3rd at 11:30AM EDT (link)Having the Reverend $harpton on your side is not the way to garner Republican votes.
What i even more embarrassing is Herman Cain jumping on that bandwagon
bk (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 10:33AM EDT (link)I fail to see how it’s much different than Bachmann’s ridiculous Gardasil reaction.
If Cain doesn’t know better than to assume there’s at least a 50-50 chance it’s false if it came from the Post (among others), then I’m not sure he’s fit to be President.
Race issue again?
gbandy Monday, October 3rd at 11:08AM EDT (link)I was dismayed by Herman bringinng up such a rediculous argument about a hunting ranch of Perry. Now if Herman Cain is so offended by this word perhaps he should contact Dave Chappelle and demand he too stop using the word. Does not the US have more problems than one little word on a rock in Texas? I really lost much for Cain on this Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, BS!
Excellent Point. I have never met a White Person
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 11:19AM EDT (link)who uses the N Word more often that Black “comedians” and Black Gang Members. If Cain really deplored the use of the N Word so much, he would do as you say and condemn those of his own Race who use it in every other sentence.
Proof of racism or insensitivity now requires reducing written-on rocks to dust?
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 12:54PM EDT (link)Cain needs to resist the Bachmann temptation or I’ll disown him too.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Perry aknowledged the word was very offensive when he first saw it.
Jim Tomasik (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 1:25PM EDT (link)Cain or Perry being offended is not the issue with me.
I have an issue with the way Cain handled the situation. He needs to be able to see when he is being lead by the nose into a firestorm by the media.
Cain needs to get back on his ideas for getting the country on track and get off the stupid stuff.
Cain's smear is much worse than Bachmann's.
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 10:42AM EDT (link)Bachmann’s “retarded” smear was just STUPID and she was easily laughed off. It only harmed her campaign.
Cain’s false smear is malicious and harmful to the Republican Party as a whole.
Can you show how this has harmed the Republican Party.
gekster (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 10:44AM EDT (link)Got anything that says so.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
It sure didn't help.
msctex (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 10:59AM EDT (link)Republicans can’t be expected to offer up a united front during the primaries, but Cain lending credence to an obvious hit piece was completely unnecessary, and indicates he may well be out of his depth. I had hopes for the guy and respect his accomplishments, but his reaction was nothing sort of naive, and we cannot afford that right now. They would eat such a man alive.
Put it this way: imagine how surprised and happy the author likely was when she learned of Cain’s reaction.
I see it as hurting Cain...
gekster (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:03AM EDT (link)not the Republican party.
And we’ve been called racists for so long, it shouldn’t bother us anymore.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
There is a difference gekster
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:19AM EDT (link)All of us have been called racists by the liberals at times simply because we disagree with Obama’s policies. For a Republican presidential candidate, who just happens to be black, to accuse one of his opponent’s of being a racist, and that is exactly what he meant, is beyond a little offensive. The Wapo story would not have gotten legs if Cain wasn’t willing to give it some, and obviously for no other reason than personal political gain.
I agree that this will surely hurt Cain, and his “meteoric” rise in the polls will now most likely be matched by his fall. There should be no room in the GOP for using the race card against anyone who clearly is not a racist. Cain’s attack on Perry was cheap, gawdy and unacceptable, period. From reading around today, Cain is suffering from it, as it should be.
Cain will fall faster than he has risen. Survey of the Conservatives sites shows
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 2:55PM EDT (link)Conservatives are outraged at Cain’s false smear.
I just pulled my support
talgus Monday, October 3rd at 4:27PM EDT (link)unless I hear a retraction by the end of today. Take the race card and shove it. No way I support a race card abuser.
I'll support Newt if Perry gets out
tyman Monday, October 3rd at 6:22PM EDT (link)No way I’m supporting Cain after his unwillingness to support Perry and this.
I always thought Herb was above this. Shame on WaPo, too, but they’re part of LSM, so at least you expect it from them.
If Perry is the nominee (and I think he’ll recover!), I think he can mend the fences. Didn’t Perry strongly defend his black nominee to the Texas Supreme Court? BTW, the first black judge on this court.
Need to look that up.
Rush was right: Obama can’t win on his own, so they try to pull the race card again. Cain supporters are racist, Perry supporters are racist. If Romney gets the nom, he’ll be labeled one, too.
Gov Perry appointed 1st Black Justice to Texas Supreme Court in State History
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 6:40PM EDT (link)http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861&dat=20010315&id=0q0oAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NXcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6376,3916661
“AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Gov. Rick Perry on Wednesday appointed the first black state Supreme Court justice in state history to replace a judge who took a job in the Bush administration. “
I think Bachmann's was much much worse
jerry39 (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 9:00PM EDT (link)Let me say upfront that I do think that preference guides forgiveness. But I was in the Bachmann camp until Perrry got in. I can’t say that I was out by the time she made her guardasail slander because I was not. But that comment almost instantly drove me away from Bachmann.
I do feel Icahn forgive Cain as I can forgive Perry for the “heartless” comment. Part of it is because Cain is black. But most of it is because the nature of the slander itself was much much less serious. Cain accused Perry of being insensitive and Bachmann accused Perry of forcing mental retardation on children and their families. It’s just not comparable.
Frankly I’m more concerned with Cain’s answering and then answering stupid with regard to who he could support for President. Bachmann’s comment had a multiplier in not only being false, but being evidence of being on the wacky fringe. To me personally, it’s Cain’s – I can only support so and so BS that takes him a bit toward the Ron Paul “its all about me or nobody” fringe.
Maybe he’s shooting for VP and Mitt has already given him the word, but if thats the case he should just bow out now and start pimping Mitt versus damaging his own credibility any further, All that said, he’s still in the running for my vote and I don’t see that Bachmann is.
Hell yes.
msctex (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:20AM EDT (link)Cain lost a lot of credibility in a great many eyes, in one dumb statement regarding an issue he could not possibly have completely understood. Paint on rock: bad. Fact Perry family undid it: good.
So yes, this hurt the Republican Party, but perhaps to a degree not really worth mentioning. As I said, it sure didn’t help, and that leaves only no damage or damage.
And as far as the whole Racist slur goes, they are calling Cain racist now, so anyone not knee-deep in Kool-Aid is going to realize that particular ad hominem has jumped the shark.
Do you get the impression they are firing all of their big guns awfully early in the game? It is as though they know the weakest Republican is their only shot at keeping the Presidency, so they are holding nothing back this early.
It is obvious that Mitt & the dems want to knock Perry out of the race PRONTO!
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 11:31AM EDT (link)!
for once I think freentn may be right
bk (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 12:07PM EDT (link)If Perry ends up as the nominee, we’ll no doubt hear about how even Uncle Tom Herman Cain said Perry is a racist that he couldn’t support.
Herman Cain
harryvarden Monday, October 3rd at 11:34AM EDT (link)How many Republican candidates has Cain pronounced unfit for his support as of today?
Good Question. Mitt Cain have only attacked Perry
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 12:08PM EDT (link).
Cain has not smeared anyone, yet because of the word "it"
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 1:18PM EDT (link)The question was vague and Cain’s answer said “it” as insensitive.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Overreacting to Cain's comments
Freedoms Truth (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 9:06PM EDT (link)It’s more than fair to call they use of that word insensistive.
We ought not be so sensistive about an obvious reaction like that. that’s silly.
Herman Cain is a black conservative Republican … now THAT is a TRUE minority. His father suffered real racism and had to make a living as a driver for rich white guys. But he never passed on the politics of greivance to his son Herman, and the “CEO of self” Herman Cain rose above it all.
I am disheartened that people arent cutting Herman Cain some slack on this. Yes this was a media hit piece and we should not make a big deal out of either the 30yearold event or anyone’s comment on it, but I have to think that any of us would know the use of that word is wrong, and for a black person, that feeling is visceral.
Cain expressed an opinion only. Bachmann made a claim, so ‘out there’ that factcheck got to give her a nastygram over how false the retarded-gardasil connection is.
Now, a black leftwing race hustling professor-type tweeted the n-word and called Herman Cain horrible names … he gets to go on CNN. We should be asking CNN why THEY tolerate putting people on who tweet that word?
Freedoms Truth,
Travis Monitor – http://travismonitor.blogspot.com
Austin, TX
interesting news
sayoung80913 (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 10:43AM EDT (link)My husband is an active duty soldier who works in the Warriors In Transition Unit(the army’s version of the civilian Wounded Warriors Project). Many politicians have a vested interest in this unit and foundation and we have met quite a few both in and out of D.C. when it was just starting up. We are both good friends with a congressman(has to remain nameless for now) from Texas that my husband has known for decades and his wife passed on a bit of info last night that made my ears perk up. Her husband overheard three other men talking about how KARL ROVE comes onto websites such as these, this one mentioned IN PARTICULAR and camos as a conservtive but puts out things like upcoming polls that no one else would be privy to with bad news for Perry, funny thing is most people don’t give credit to these polls usually because they are by screaming liberal orgs, but he’ll put these out, along with “concerning tid bits” like” ah well, we might as well accept the fact that Perry can’t be elected, and this is going to happen and now will be spread all throughout the media” etc. He uses a moniker that has nothing to do with his name something like “policypro” along those lines or similar to that. Wow, who would have thought that Rove would hold a grudge so long and be so spiteful that he would let a good candidate be torn apart for his own egotistical purposes? He would resort to acting as a sheep in wolf’s clothing on websites such as this and plant little “concerning stories and worries, put questionable polling outfits info out,regardless of validity all because he is filled with poisonous spite. It is too bad I only saw through him in 2010, Bush called him the architect-the liberals called him a manipulative,evil guy-looks like they weren’t to far off of the mark.
Very interesting sayoung
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:28AM EDT (link)I do believe I’ve seen Karl here a time or two, posting exactly as you claim he would do. Very interesting.
Please thank your husband for his service, and thank you as well for standing with him in his honorable work with our military members in their time of need. You make me proud to be an American.
u r welcome
sayoung80913 (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:47AM EDT (link)Not naming names(because I don’t know them), but I have an idea who it is and will be watching to see their next few posts. I can’t see the congressman making this up, just not in his character, and his wife is not the type to over elaborate things so I’ll take their word. Again, no names, just watch and be aware to those who let themselves be persuaded easily. I can’t say enough how important it is for people to listen,sure,but research for themselves. D.C. is like the court of Queen Elizabeth-full of intrigue,back stabbing,plots,etc.etc-no one with a brain cell in their head should give creedence to anyone fancying themselves a “political consultant- they’ve all been bought, can be bought,have bought others and will do all of the above in the future for monetary or political power gain. Their words should be taken with a very healthy dose of skeptism
sayoung- Agree
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 12:13PM EDT (link)and I believe I know who you are suspecting. It seemed strange to me that anyone would know about polling, and what results it would show days before the polls are released. I actually wondered if the suspect worked for the polling outfit to have access to that much info. I was of the impression that the major polling outfits released their results ASAP after the poll was completed. Yes, the next few posts will be quite interesting.
As to Rove, it never made much sense to me why he was picked up by Fox as a commentator when the majority of the country was still reeling with BDS. Many, like myself put much blame for the lack of conservatism squarely on the back of the architect. Didn’t Perry best him and Axelrod in a few past elections?
seems like he camos as a conservative on TV as well
bk (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 12:04PM EDT (link)While I’m at it, what’s the deal with Hannity? Seems like he used to speak from the heart, now he’s turning into a clown like Carville/Matalin/etc. He’s always got on “the architect” as well as liberal lying slimebags like his “good friend” Bob Beckel, Charlie Rangel, etc.
Rove and it seems Hannity are clearly part of the establishment Republican class that gives us people like McConnell, Lugar, etc.
bk- Remember when Hannity
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 12:23PM EDT (link)used to be on with Alan Colmbs (sp)? I can’t stand that lying liberal either. I have rarely ever watched Hannity because of his propensity for as you said, his “good friends” who are as liberal as they come. Hannity, as well as many others on Fox don’t understand that giving the liberals microphones only spreads their lies and hate to even wider audiences. Oh well, now that we know that Fox is going farther left, by Roger Ailes edict, they will start coming in with audience numbers similar to MSNBC.
I'm not doubting...
chipbennett (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 1:45PM EDT (link)…the veracity of your anecdote, but assuming it’s true, probably the best course of action would have been to take the information first directly to the mods/editors of the site, privately, and let them determine how best to handle it.
Cain needs to apologize to Perry.
Tbone (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:08AM EDT (link)He needs to say that the WaPo lied and he was mislead by the POS, Chris Wallace. End of story.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
I agree.
Jim Tomasik (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:11AM EDT (link)What happened to getting all the information before making a decision?
This was an
chipbennett (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 1:48PM EDT (link)…”acted stupidly” moment for Cain.
Unfortunately, it’s not his first such moment.
Agree, also.
westcoastpatriette (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:29AM EDT (link)And I think he will. I think Cain is basically a decent person who got caught up in the moment.
Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise His name in the dance: let them sing praises unto Him with the timbrel and harp. Psalm 149:1-3
Don't kid yourself.
Tbone (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 12:34PM EDT (link)Cain has terrible political instincts and probably thinks he did himself a favor.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Agree
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 12:40PM EDT (link)For any Republican to use the race card against another R opponent, just because he got caught up in the moment, doesn’t belong in Washington in any elected or appointed position. Cain is riding high currently from his straw poll win, and some polls showing him entering top tier status, and probably thinks that he can say anything he wants now, and everyone will love him for it.
I’m beginning to wonder if some candidates are campaigning to lead the show in the big top, rather than DC.
U underestimate Cain. Cain is obviously a very intelligent man. He knows exactly
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 12:48PM EDT (link)what he is doing.
Then he is a fool.
Tbone (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 3:41PM EDT (link)And, it is spelled YOU, creentn
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Other N head landmarks Herman Cain might be interested in
izoneguy (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:10AM EDT (link)Herman – Do some research next time!
A World Full of Places Called ‘N***erhead’
Australians must be racist too?
N***erhead Mountain in Los Angeles County, California
Get Jerry Brown on the phone to Herman Cain!
Report of the Boundary commission
N***erhead Mine
N***ertown Marsh
N***erhead Rock
Mount N***erhead, VIC
N***er’s Head Rock
Negro Geography in the West
* Old maps and legends throughout the west are chocked with names like Negro Butte, N***erhead Mountain and Negro Hill, and these are just places in California
* N***erhead was also used to describe a type of granite ore in Ohio
* Negro and N***er landmarks show up all over the eastern half of U.S. history
* Several N***er Run Roads existed in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and New York, usually signifying a slave escape route. Virginia, Tennessee and Florida had Negro and N***er place names to indicate cemeteries, neighborhoods and work projects
* A description of a type of coal called N***erhead coal mined by New Mexico settlers
* The geographic terms Negro, N***er and N***erhead come to California in the 1800s
* Surprises are in store as a N***erhead Mountain is listed in Los Angeles County near Malibu, A N***erhead Chromite Mine is listed in San Luis Obispo County as well as a N***erhead Chromite Mine in Del Norte County, California
* Moving out of California the name Negro and N***er for geographic titles takes hold in Alaska as well as Australia
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
After further review...
Steve Maley (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 1:08PM EDT (link)…the above comment has been edited to remove the most offensive word.
Your point is taken and no rebuke should be construed from this editorial decision. Izoneguy has been an exemplary commenter for a long, long time and this comment is no exception.
The decision is mainly driven by search engine considerations, and the desire not to have RedState.com pop to the top of a Google search on the N-word. We felt that the term could be replaced by asterisks without sacrificing any of the original meaning of the comment.
Plus, the links still work.
The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.
Thanks for the edit
izoneguy (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 1:20PM EDT (link)I was wondering about that – this will be my last post on this matter.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Thanks, izoneguy.
Steve Maley (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 2:25PM EDT (link)There also used to be an oil field in Texas called [N-word] Creek, but its name was changed quite a few years back.
The word “Squaw” has likewise been expunged from many place names in the west.
The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.
Cain is on Hannity trying to walk back his statement about Perry
izoneguy (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 4:18PM EDT (link)Cain now sounds confused and says he is done with the issue….
Of course until the next issue comes up…..
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Sure Cain wants to be done with it now that it has backfired on him &
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 4:23PM EDT (link)he is being compared to Al Sharpton in the Press.
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/morning-examiner-cain%E2%80%99s-bachmann-moment
“Sharpton’s response is entirely foreseeable and expected. Unfortunately some Republican candidates have chosen to mimic Sharpton’s attacks. Asked about the story on Fox News Sunday, Herman Cain told Chris Wallace: “[There] isn’t a more vile, negative word than the N-word and for him to leave it there as long as he did before, I hear, that they finally painted over it, is just plain insensitive to a lot of black people in this country.”
Calling a fellow candidate racist in any primary is a serious charge that should not be made until one is sure of all the facts. By his own statement, it is obvious that Cain was not 100% sure about the story (hence the “I hear” qualifier). Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., collapsed in the polls after she echoed a liberal-trial-lawyer created attack on Perry over the vaccine Gardisal..”
Didn't sound confused to me.
Jim Tomasik (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 4:26PM EDT (link)But it looks like you have an axe to grind.
Jim, Tomasik, yes,there are ulterior motives
lineholder (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 4:36PM EDT (link)in this poster’s comments.
Maybe I’m way out in left field here, but Cain IS a black person. To a black person, you aren’t going to want to encourage use of the N word in any shape, form, or fashion. That’s so entrenched in their worldview that any time the word is used in any type of context, there will be a very negative (even to the point of visceral) kind of response.
It bothers me a bit that no one seems to be recognizing that and are taking this as if it is personally directed at Perry. I don’t think it is.
kowalski, and given what I do understand
lineholder (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 4:41PM EDT (link)about freentn’s purpose in posting, it doesn’t surprise me one bit that he/she would try to take this and turn it into a talking point in order to achieve their goals.
What does surprise me is that so many people have bought into it.
Cain's answer satisfied me.
Jim Tomasik (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 4:42PM EDT (link)I have to wonder why we are supposed to accept Perry’s walk backs but Cain’s are somehow unacceptable.
I still would be very happy if either of these guys were to be the nominee. We should not be trying to tear either of them down for the benefit of the other.
Jim Tomasik, another observation.
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 4:49PM EDT (link)How much do you want to bet that the folks who said if Cain would walk back his comment or apologize will now say it wasn’t good enough or he didn’t mean it? Because only they know what he meant, even if he clarifies his own statements.
What’s wrong with his statement?
“I was probably a bit over-passionate by using that word and it was inappropriate,”
Oh, wait, that was Perry’s walk-back. My bad.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
Scope already is headed down this road. nt
Jim Tomasik (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 5:02PM EDT (link).dfdff
Right Tomasik- give me a break
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 7:07PM EDT (link)Some can do, but others, not so much.
I was headed there myself, or actually
earlgrey (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 5:11PM EDT (link)as of yesterday I did not plan to ever entertain a “walk back” of his comments, but on one of those “rightwing nutjob” blogs I was reminded that Herman Cain was raised in a different racial climate than the one I was raised in. He is bound to have more passion when he hears that word than some would have.
Think about the people of today that call eachother that word. The meaning is not the same for them as it probably is for Cain.
Plus there is the thrill of competition and the smell of blood in the water. He probably couldn’t resist that either.
Anyway, I wil allow him the benefit of the doubt while still having some concern that he didn’t try to verify the facts of the situation before commenting.
No, we shouldn't, Jim
lineholder (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 4:57PM EDT (link)I definitely agree with this. In fact, it would be beyond all stupidity to do so. Perry is just getting into the race. He hasn’t had a chance to present his vision, ideas or policy positions to the public. He does deserve a fair chance to do this.
And what it comes down to who the general public chooses. It’s isn’t a good idea to shoot ourselves in the foot by putting all our eggs in one basket. Let’s give them all a chance to take it and run with it.
We’ve got a better chance of winning in 2012 if we do.
Didn't sound confused to me, either.
joayn (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 4:44PM EDT (link)He’s still saying the same thing. However he MIGHT be able to give the Perry family a pass, though, IF IT’S TRUE they tried to paint over/get rid of the rock. So I guess it’s up to Perry to prove that the story’s not true.
Sean totally softballed the whole thing. Cain said he was done with the issue but I doubt everybody else is. I do think Cain knows by now what he’s done but just won’t fold on it. And that makes him look even weaker, in my opinion.
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
AGREE 100%! Cain may think he can go on his Pal Hannity's show & just declare himself done with the issue but
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 4:56PM EDT (link)it does not work that way. He, unlike the rest of the Republican Field who stayed clear of the WaPo BS, is inexorably tied to this Race Baiting Issue. He like Al Sharpton is now infamously known for his opinion about “White Racists.”
Here is what I have a problem with
izoneguy (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 5:33PM EDT (link)It is with candidates falling for the MSM stories.
Herman Cain should be smart enough to say something like
“I saw that story but I cannot verify if it is true so I will not comment.”
That is all Herman had to say. Cain took the bait and now he does not
look as smart as I thought he was. I was excited to see Herman jump in
the race. I heard him on Rush way back in Feb or March?
I was a Cain supporter before Perry got in the race.
Perry is my man and again I was excited when he mentioned
Cain as a possible VP. I am just disappointed in Cain and some of the other
Republican candidates. We can do better and should.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Exactly! All Cain had to say was
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 5:44PM EDT (link)“I don’t know the facts and I don’t want to comment.”
izoneguy, there's another factor in this
lineholder (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 5:51PM EDT (link)that we should at least try to take into consideration. Cain IS a black person. Given his age and the events that were taken place during his younger years, the usage of this word in any type of context is likely to trigger a very negative response. But it doesn’t necessarily follow that the negative response we have seen in Cain was directed at Gov. Perry or his family as a personal insult. There’s a fine line between the two that needs to be pointed out.
At the same time, Gov. Perry has just recently gotten into the race. He hasn’t an opportunity to present much information to the general public about what his vision for our country might be. He does deserve enough of respect from us as Conservatives to be open-minded in hearing what he has to say. But at this point, we don’t have solid evidence on how well this may or may not be received on a national level.
Point to all of this: It would be rather stupid on our part at this time to gut Mr. Cain or any other prospective candidate until we see how well Perry does.
With all respect lineholder, this is just spin.
runner12 (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 6:38PM EDT (link)Cain could have answered the question like this: “You know Chris, that word is a very offensive word especially to Black Americans. Because of the seriousness of this word, I think that we need to wait until we get all of the facts from Gov. Perry. So I am not going to comment any further than this until that happens.”
Just like Perry’s ” don’t have a heart” comment was wrong, so was Cain’s. Cain had a huge opportunity to just apologize and clarify today on Hannity and he did not. Gov. Perry did apologize for his comments.
But it is not just this comment, it is the comment about not supporting Perry if he were the nominee. These to incidences smack of either opportunsim or naivete. It is the positive message of Cain that initially drew me to him, but lately I have felt repulsed by his behavior.
Oh, I agree he could have expressed it differently, runner12
lineholder (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 7:05PM EDT (link)I know at this point that you’re partial to Perry and that’s fine by me. For right now, Cain is still my top choice but depending on Perry’s stand on things, how well he presents his ideas and message, and how well this is received nationally, my opinion could change.
But it’s the utmost of hypocrisy for Perry supporters to try to defend Perry’s position on immigration due to the circumstances in the state and expect the rest of us to just go along with that yet they aren’t even remotely willing to give the same degree of leeway to Cain on this when it comes to being a black person.
Every since this story broke, people have been riding it to the high heaven, milking it for everything they are worth to paint Cain in a negative light just to try to compensate for Perry. For crying out loud, we get more than enough of the entire “controlling the narrative” and “herding the sheeples” agenda from the left and now the right is going to try to do the same thing?
At this point in time, what I’ve stated above about not knowing how well Perry will be received at a national level is very much so true, runner12, and I just think that it would be better to leave our options open until we see how he does.
So for you lineholder
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 7:35PM EDT (link)by your comment, you are a partisan for one candidate, while posting against another. That’s instructive to know. It gives one some perspective in your begging for civility for everyone, except when it comes to your favored candidate, for whatever you support him for. There are plenty of reasons to forgive Cain, but, not so much with Perry, even though some haven’t left the Perry camp, and jumped on the latest bandwagon for Cain. Admit it, there will always be excuses and forgiveness for whoever you support, but in many posts one tries to sway others away from their support of who they do, and posts that try to convince some to their candidate. That is human nature, and you are a part of that human nature.
I don’t want to be disrespectful of anyone’s opinions, but you seem to be trying to herd the cats single handidly while espousing your opinions freely. If your real goal is to herd the cats into one civil camp where all is sunlight and pixie dust, you would not be posting comments for or against any candidates. Again, in the real world, it usually never happens that way.
No, Scope
lineholder (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 7:53PM EDT (link)I’ve made it very clear for over a month now that Herman Cain is my first choice. I will not say that I agree with everything he does or says. And I still have questions about his positions on a few issues. So if Perry can convince me he is a better candidate, then that is the direction that I will go in.
I do think we’re putting ourselves at risk at this stage of the process if we put all our eggs in one basket, so to speak, without trying to find out how well Perry will do nationally first. The point is to win so that Obama doesn’t get a second term. If that means rallying behind a candidate that I don’t agree with on all points, then so be it.
As to the other comments directed at me personally, I’m not even going to get into that with you, Scope. You can believe whatever you like. That’s your choice.
As you will lineholder
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 8:11PM EDT (link)My meaning has been mostly that you can’t single handidly corral the cats at RedState. It is what it is, and as much as some have problems with some other commentors, the opinions, the views, it is what it is. You can’t corral all the cats to change it because you want it to be something other than what it is, what it has been, and what it will be for the future. Not any one person here has had any success in trying to make the site more attractive to who they want the site to be attractive to. That’s all, nothing more.
If that's what you perceive in my actions, then
lineholder (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 8:23PM EDT (link)I’ll tell you right now that I couldn’t care less about “corralling the cats” as you call it.
I do think we have genuine opportunity to persuade a greater number of people to choose conservatism, and I will try to promote that in what ways I can.
I don’t think use of dirty political tactics represents conservative beliefs, so I won’t deliberately or intentionally engage in the kind of rhetoric that might undermine our chances to succeed.
In some cases, I may even speak out of against when I see those kind of methods being used because it can do more damage than good in the long run, but I don’t see how they can be related to the whole “coralling the cats” hypothesis you’ve presented.
I do recognize that politics can get heated, and I do tend to be aware of how things can blown out of proportion in those moments, and yes, I may even try to intervene in that sometimes.
I respect the hard-earned reputation RS has established. I try to remain aware that when I post on this site, I represent not only myself but RS. That’s just how I see it.
kowalski, runner12, I hope you see this
lineholder (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:08PM EDT (link)After reading back over this comment, it could seem that I was being harsh to you personally. It wasn’t intended that way. I’m just genuinely concerned about the direction things are going in at the moment.
No worries, lineholder.
runner12 (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:22PM EDT (link)I dd not take any personal offense.
Actually lineholder, my first preference was for
runner12 (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:16PM EDT (link)Pawlenty. Then when he tanked, I leaned towards either Cain or Bachman. My only quibble that kept me from 100% supporting Cain was that I did not see a path to victory for him due to his inexperience. For this reason, I began to lean towards Perry when he got in. I live in the state north of his and he enjoys a good reputation in these parts. My state has a friendly rivalry with his with regards to attracting businesses to our respective states, so I know how tenacious he is regarding creating jobs.
That being said, when Perry faltered and Cain won the straw poll I took another serious look at Cain because my one objection to him had seemingly been remove ( ie no path to victory). I have always enjoyed Cain’s positive message and hs ability to communicate conservatism. I thought he was brilliant in the FLA debate, staying above the mud slinging.
However, in the last few days Cain has made not one, but two very troubling statements. First, he stated that he would not support Perry as nominee. No matter how you parse his words, absolutely no GOP candidate should ever utter those words when Obama occupies the WH.
Then he jumps on an unsubstantiated story and accuses a sitting Governor and GOP candidate of racism at worst and insensitivity to minorities at best. This causes people to question whether he is ready for the gotcha questions or worse is an opportunist. For the record, had his statements been about Romney I would be saying virtually the same thing.
Even so, had Cain come out and apologized for his words I would have cut him some slack. But he did not and he borderline doubled down. This is making me think twice about supporting him. Honestly, I want the old Cain back not this negative and attacking personage he is putting forth.
Fair enough, runner12, and thanks for responding
lineholder (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:46PM EDT (link)Yes, I know that Cain’s comments seem out of character for him right now, but I do think there are some possible explanations for them. All I’ve got is opinion on this, runner12. This isn’t about spin and it isn’t about excuses. It’s just taking what little I’ve learned about the man into review, okay?
Cain has made plenty of statements reflecting his respect for the US Constitution. He does come across as being someone who supports rule of law. Given the situation we’re facing with immigration, rule of law in this particular context has become somewhat problematic.
Do you remember when Cain made that statement about not supporting Perry? It was right after the debate where Perry had made the comments he did about immigration. So my personal take, even though I could be completely and totally wrong, is that Cain made the statement that he did and included the word “today” meaning that he was open to the possibility of supporting Perry at some point in time, depending on what he might learn about how much Perry would support rule of law at a national level. I’m saying that because it would be consistent with Cain’s character to consider rule of law in the context of the situation. Like I said, I could completely and totally wrong about that.
As to an apology for comments he made about the rock scenario…I doubt that will happen. I just think the word has too many negative connotations as far as Cain is concerned. People can expect it until they’re blue in the face. And even if costs him a shot at the Presidency, I don’t think it’s going to happen.
Agreed izoneguy.
runner12 (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 6:31PM EDT (link)NT
joayn- Like other statements Cain has made in the past
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 7:20PM EDT (link)one thing that I have picked up when he responds to negative views on his issues, he doesn’t change his mind at all on those issues, or readjust his message, he just changes the subject, and makes it look like some just don’t understand what he was trying to say. We already have a similar non-walk backer in the WH. What a turn off.
Maybe Cain like BO thinks that he is above us all?
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 7:36PM EDT (link)?
Nah
snowshooze (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 7:38PM EDT (link)He doesn’t seem to have the swollen head syndrome.
Scope, It's interesting that people forget Cain's
joayn (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 7:47PM EDT (link)radio show experience. I have seen him in the past discuss many, many topics, his favorite being the gotcha questions by callers made to him on his show. He was really great, saying that he never falls for questions obviously meant to lead him down a path that’s an obvious trick.
He really needs to man-up on this before it gets out of hand. It seems he’s forgotten the old Herman Cain, the one we all liked.
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
It's too late to apologize. Cain has already damaged
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 11:14AM EDT (link)himself and the Republican Party. There is nothing that he can do or say now to change that.
Cain is obviously about attempting to hurt Gov Perry’s campaign for Romney. So don’t count on Cain to apologize for his wrongdoing.
freentn: Got any evidence that Romney has anything to do with this?
Martin Knight (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:31AM EDT (link)Either put up or shut up … otherwise I promise you, you’re not going to welcome here for long.
PS: I support Perry.
Thanks Martin. This idiot has been trolling here
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 11:39AM EDT (link)for the last couple of weeks, and as with this post, it’s been a fact free couple of weeks for him.
Republicans and race and Cain
harryvarden Monday, October 3rd at 11:40AM EDT (link)Way to fall into the trap Mr. Cain. He now lists Rick Perry as one of a number of Republican candidates whom he could not support.
I am Herman Cain fan, but fear his campaign is unhinging him.
It's an easy trap to fall into.
rickbull Monday, October 3rd at 10:43PM EDT (link)Cain has dealt with amateur baiters on his radio talk show, but the MSM is made up of professional baiters, and unless Herman learns how to drive the agenda in an interview, this will befall him again. I am still in the undecided camp, but I lean toward Cain and Perry and have high hopes for both. I also grew up during the civil rights movement, so I can understand Cain’s sensitivities, especially considering his age during that era (he was born in 1945). Cain needs to seriously walk back both the n-word controversy and his lack of support for Perry. We need this campaign to be about a shining city on a hill, and not let it devolve into a race riot. Perry and Cain are both better than this.
WE ARE THE 53% (who actually pay taxes).
So let me get this straight....
anxious4change Monday, October 3rd at 11:45AM EDT (link)Perry’s a liberal because he allows in-state tuition to children of illegal Mexicans, and he’s also a conservative racist. Got it.
Oh wait, that’s right — there was that racist black cloud remark too.
Good grief. I’ve been really open-minded about the candidates, but I can tell you, for me, Cain dropped a few notches for joining this unfounded attack on Perry, and Perry rises a few for handling these ridiculous attacks with grace and calmness.
"The Rock"
harryvarden Monday, October 3rd at 11:45AM EDT (link)How come nobody has published a picture of the offending rock?
I'm sure it will magically reappear soon enough.
msctex (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 12:22PM EDT (link)n/t
I have a feeling that a picture of the rock
rickbull Monday, October 3rd at 10:45PM EDT (link)would turn out to be a “meh moment.”
WE ARE THE 53% (who actually pay taxes).
Obviously WaPo has not shown a picture of the Painted Rock
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 10:53PM EDT (link)because you can’t read the N Word on it.
As I'm reading this, Rush is talking about it.
joayn (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 12:28PM EDT (link)Says Cain piggy-backed off the WaPost article.
Yep, bringing on the heat to Mr. Cain. The ball is definitely in Cain’s court now.
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
It will be interesting to see
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 12:35PM EDT (link)what Cain does now. After his “right of return” faux paus he tried to make it sound as though there are different meanings to the term. After his no muslims in his administration, he tried to make that sound like just a misunderstanding of what he really meant. This walk back, if he even does one, should be interesting. He talked about it more than once yesterday.
Cain is too far out on the limb to walk this
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 12:38PM EDT (link)one back.
Good. Rush is going after
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 12:29PM EDT (link)the Wapo article, and is also saying that for Cain to join in with the liberal rags race baiting is ludicrous. He’s also going after Cain for now jumping on the bandwagon in saying he should have defended the gay soldier who was booed in the debate. Rush is correctly painting the current picture of Cain as now just being an opportunist.
Ditto! Rush clearly does NOT have a high regard 4 Cain.
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 12:43PM EDT (link)Rush is now playing the Cain clip where he said that he should have come to the defense of the “Gay Soldier” who was supposedly “booed.”
5 Scope.
conservativemusician Monday, October 3rd at 1:09PM EDT (link)And Rush, as usual, is dead on with his analysis. Perry does seem to be living in Cain’s mind rent free these days. Cain was also wrong for saying he would not support Perry if he ended being the nominee. Cain seems to have a tendency to shoot his mouth off before fully thinking things through – not a good quality for a possible future president. Also, as Rush is saying right now, Cain is going to have to figure out how to better respond to the liberal talkers when he goes on their shows because all they are looking to do is undercut our guys and embarrass them so they show embarrassing sound bites on the 24 hour news cycle.
From what Rush said
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 1:40PM EDT (link)when he advised our guys about going on the “Sunday talk shows” just to be pained in a bad light, he obviously included the Chris Wallace Sunday talk show. It seems of late, Rush has indicated that he now considers Fox in the same negative MSM light as the leftist channels.
I’ve said before, Perry should avoid Wallace like the plague. You know Wallace has probably invited him on, as he seems to think now that you have to pass by him before you’re a credible candidate. Tim Russert was able to pass that off, but Wallace, not so much. The Perry people would have been correct to tell Wallace to take a hike.
I Really Do Miss Tim Russert
wonkish1 (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 2:18PM EDT (link)He was a remarkably fair guy on a network in which no one else was even close.
“First you win the argument, then you win the vote.” Margaret Thatcher
Conservative Innovations I Want To See Succeed
http://rightnetwork.com/ –New conservative TV network
http://actright.com/ –Fundraising hub for all things conservative
http://connect.freedomworks.org/ — Connecting Tea Partiers around the country
http://procinct.net/ –GOTV walk/call lists
http://www.citizensunited.org/ –Their documentary arm
Shame on Herman Cain,
jjhlh1 Monday, October 3rd at 7:42PM EDT (link)Chris Wallace, and Fox News for falling for the Washington Post race baiting story. I’ve read the entire story and watched the entire Fox News interview with Herman Cain. Everyone involved painted Rick Perry in a negative light. Shame on them.
According to the story, the rock was seen by many people, none of whom did anything about it until Rick Perry and his dad got rid of the offensive word. And remember this rock was on land they didn’t even own. It wasn’t their responsibility, yet they were the only ones who showed good judgement and took action to correct a wrong. And what do they get for their troubles? They get slandered by Herman Cain and the media. Frankly, I think Herman Cain owes Rick Perry an apology.
Apparently no appology will not be forthcoming
Scope (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 7:55PM EDT (link)from what I’m reading about his Hannity interview today, he will not be apologizing any time soon. Cain’s Bachmann moment.
I can't wait...
intensity Monday, October 3rd at 8:53PM EDT (link)….for Cain to eventually drop out of the GOP race.
Then, it wil just be Romney vs. Perry, and Perry will crush Romney.
Not quite ....
Freedoms Truth (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 9:17PM EDT (link)Cain only has a chance because Perry couldn’t close the deal as ‘the real conservative’ and did poorly in debates.
If Cain blows it, Perry has another chance, but its just as likely Cain is helping Romney when he hurts himself.
You know who can dictate victory for Perry? Perry! Solid, serious conservative agenda without straying off-message and he’ll win.
Freedoms Truth,
Travis Monitor – http://travismonitor.blogspot.com
Austin, TX
Most candidates in the race would beat Mitt
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 9:16PM EDT (link)one on one. Mitt is simply not a good fit in the Republican Party. He fits better in the dem Party.
Perry "appreciates the role diversity plays in our state and nation."
izoneguy (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 10:01PM EDT (link)Texas Chief Justice Says Ranch Furor an Overreaction
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Thanks izone! Perry needs to put these men in his next ad.
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 10:15PM EDT (link)It is despicable that Cain has put him in a position where he has to defend himself from false smears but he needs to answer Cain’s false smears in no uncertain terms.
Cain keeps digging a bigger hole
izoneguy (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 10:23PM EDT (link)Everytime he opens his mouth.
His advisors are probably canceling
interviews for awhile.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Now Romney is getting on the WAPO train
izoneguy (Diary) Monday, October 3rd at 10:27PM EDT (link)Romney: Perry hunting camp name ‘offensive’
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Mitt will probably get away with it
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 10:35PM EDT (link)Most of his supporters are rinos who have no place to go but Romney.
They'll all be asked to do a little pledge of allegiance about the offensive nature of that rock
usdebateboard Monday, October 3rd at 10:36PM EDT (link)And they will all comply.
I doubt that Newt will comply and of course
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 10:42PM EDT (link)Perry will not.
I agree. Posted the same thing after his 1st Hannity Walkback.
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 10:28PM EDT (link)Cain’s walkback routine is really getting old. He said on Hannity’s radio show that he was done talking about the flipside of the painted rock so why is he still going on and on and on about it Hannity?
Absolute nonsense
eabjr Monday, October 3rd at 10:37PM EDT (link)These comments about Cain are ridiculous; is anyone listening to what he is saying? There are no walk-backs, only explanations from experience. Cain has never been shy about admitting things when wrong; and he is certainly allowed to have an opinion. We have bigger fish to fry than this nonsense about the rock…and I realize this ” two cents” won’t make a difference to the overreacting gainsayers….
Cain is ridiculous
izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, October 4th at 9:31AM EDT (link)This man is helping the democrats more than the republicans.
He needs to step aside and stop with the racial politics.
We got enough of that from Obama.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
AGREE 100% izone, but Cain is not going to do that.
freentn Tuesday, October 4th at 10:07AM EDT (link)It looks like he is running to be Mitt’s VP now and rinos are so gullible that Mitt Cain may win the Republican Primary before they get trounced by the democRats in 2012.
What's really funny is that...
intensity Monday, October 3rd at 10:37PM EDT (link)…..Cain will never win the GOP nomination
…Romney, given his liberal views and Romneycare, will also never end up with the GOP nomination
I guess what goes around comes around
Ditto intensity! It is good to see it backfire
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 10:45PM EDT (link)on them.
Thanks...
intensity Monday, October 3rd at 10:51PM EDT (link)…anyone out there know how Perry is doing nationally in polls??
I think he’s still near the top.
Perry is still ahead in the RCP Average Polls, ahead in 3 out of 4. Cain is still in single digits.
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 11:05PM EDT (link)http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html
Now Mitt is attacking the Perry Family over the Flipsided Painted Rock of Texas.
freentn Monday, October 3rd at 11:33PM EDT (link)http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20115062-503544.html
Who is the real Herman Cain?
Scope (Diary) Tuesday, October 4th at 10:41AM EDT (link)Many excuse Herman Cain for things he has said because he is not a politician, and he just gets tripped up some times. Some want to read things into what he said, dissecting each word, and trying hard to find meanings that may or may not be there.
Herman Cain may have a bit of Romneyitis-
Herman Cain, on a few occasions said that he would not hire Muslims to his administration. One of the times he said that was in an interview with Neil Cavuto. There were others. Then he went on the Glenn Beck Radio show, and claimed that he was “misunderstood” and tried unsuccessfully to walk back his previous comments.
Cain Denies Claims
Cain has most recently taken a hard right position on illegal immigration. As a part of his immigration plan, he said he wants to promote the path to citizenship that is already there, we don’t need to change that with promoting anything new. If I am not mistaken, the current laws, already there, mean all illegals must go home, and apply for citizenship from their home countries. I don’t believe that has changed, even though that law has not been enforced. That wasn’t always Herman Cain’s position. In 2007, Cain said in part-
“We need to propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (and counting) illegal person’s who broke our laws to get here, but not amnesty.”
I interpret that to mean that Cain was not in favor of shipping the illegals already here back out of the country, but just didn’t agree with granting them any sort of amnesty.
Herman Cain-Numbers USA
Herman Cain, in an interview in NH in March, said the following-
“Now people are over this first black president thing. But there are still some people who will say, I’m not going to vote for another black guy because this one didn’t work out. And my response is Well what about those 43 white guys you put in there? How did they work out? Don’t condem me because the first black one didn’t work out.”
I’m sure I’m just reading that wrong, but did Cain really say that every one of the first presidents that were white didn’t work out, but hey, I can do better. Not one good white president? Not even Reagan?
Herman Cain said twice in May that he would not support killing al-Awlaki because he was an American citizen. He believed that he needed to be captured, and put into the American court system. Recently, Cain now has applauded Obama for killing al-Awalaki on the battlefield.
<a href="http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/03/cain-in-may-dont-kill-al-awalki/
Herman Cain said back in February that he didn't favor auditing the fed. because they probably won't find anything anyway. He later denied that he was not in favor of auditing the fed.
Herman Cain supported TARP while it was being discussed and planned. Cain later said that he wouldn't have supported it if he knew how it would eventually work out.
On Sean Hannity's radio program, in answer to the question, did he support the Gold Standard, he said-
"Yes I believe in the gold standard. We should never have gotten off the gold standard because when we got off the gold standard, that ten allowed the Congress to inflate our currency whenever they overspent. Now look at the mess we have."