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The Left’s protest trap.

(H/T: Instapundit) The Economist has the right idea about the problem that the Left is having right now:

The other reason to doubt whether Occupy Wall Street will become a tea-party movement of the left is its fixation on protest. But Zuccotti Park is not Tahrir Square and America is not Egypt. It is not even France. In France street demos are tolerated, sometimes glorified, as a way to blow off steam and win the attention of deputies who neglect voters or forget their election promises.

America is different. It is, indeed, the sort of democracy that some people in Tahrir Square lost their lives asking for. With endless elections and permanent campaigns, it is exquisitely sensitive to voters’ wants.

[snip]

The tea-partiers grasped all this. They, too, took to the streets. Some strutted about in tricorn hats. But at the same time they learned their way around the machinery of elections and how to scare the bejesus out of any candidate they did not like.

…what it may perhaps lack is a complete understanding of how American political demographics could get in the way of any solution. Specifically, ideological demographics. Polling has consistently seen (Gallup, Pew/Pew, Rasmussen) that conservatives outnumber liberals in this country by about a two-to-one ratio (which is a reality that you simply have to accept*). Couple that with a badly-skewed urban/suburban ratio of reliable Democratic/liberal supporters, and you can see why the Tea Party was generally unaffected by the disapproval of the Left; most of our electoral fights were in places where the Left just didn’t have the strength to handle a motivated and energetic Right.

So. Now the Occupy Wall Street people want to duplicate the Tea Party’s success… but they have two major structural problems. The first is the demographic ratio mentioned above; which inexorably leads to the second problem, which is that the Left is simply more vulnerable to criticism than is the Right. When you’re trying to bring in the moderates, and your side needs to get 75% of them to win elections and the other side only needs to get 25%, being successfully mocked simply hurts you more. The moreso when it’s accurate mocking. I mean, there’s a reason why liberals only make up 20% of the electorate. People don’t like nosy busybodies with an attitude getting into their business**.

Solutions for the Left? I recommend that they try suffering with dignity. Or not; their dissatisfaction with the karmic backlash to their actions is not my problem, either way. The truly ironic bit? Occupy Wall Street’s only viable path to relevancy would involve linking up with the Tea Party populists and presenting an united front. Unfortunately for OWS, their typical member has spent the last three years attacking Tea Partiers on behest of the Democratic party, usually via the charming media of gay-baiting sexual slurs. Funny thing about the American middle class, particularly the ones that vote Republican; they don’t react well to condescending abuse by self-appointed, sneering ‘elitists’…

Moe Lane (crosspost)

*Democrats certainly do: that’s why their default electoral strategy is to frighten enough moderates to not line up with the scary, scary conservatives. They don’t have enough natural support to really trust in running positive campaigns based on their ideals and principles.

**And now you know why liberals love to yell about social conservatives, in precisely those terms. Whether you agree with the characterization or not, you do have to admit that ‘nosy busybody’ is how so-cons are usually portrayed by the Left.

COMMENTS

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    The message from the Tea Party: I am being bled dry as it stands; don’t take any more!

    OWS=moochers & looters
    T.P.=producers
    Business=afraid to hire or expand based on uncertainty

    Moe, whether or not it looks as described by Ayn Rand, Atlas has shrugged.

  • lineholder

    “Funny thing about the American middle class, particularly the ones that vote Republican; they don?t react well to condescending abuse by self-appointed, sneering ?elitists??” Got that right!

    Wonder how long these guys will last. The weather will be changing soon. Would conducting a daily OWS weather report with recommendations on easy-to-cook outdoor meals be too heavy on the mocking?

  • Scope

    are a part of this R3volution, right. The Ron Paul people are as testy and as unhinged as those on the left. Ron Paul, and the Tea Party groups that support his ideology are just as responsible for the hordes of protesters as the leftists. The Libertarian Reason magazine people are trying to find “common ground” with the protesters. So, does that mean that they at least partially approve of the protests?

  • Bill S

    the #OWS morons influence the Left more. Any candidate taking on the “mission” that these hippie dipwads are promoting would get slaughtered. As you point out, Moe, the electorate is far more conservative than these Gardasil refugees would guess. Such a politician may win big in Bernie Sanders country (sorry, Aaron), but pretty much nowhere else.

    So go ahead, hippies. Make our day and get your way. If you win, we win.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    only different.

  • lineholder

    But then the animal rights groups would get all hot and bothered, wouldn’t they?

  • onetrickpony

    that they will show up anywhere they can parade an “End the Fed” sign.

    Almost embarrassing to think I used to be one.

  • jaykali

    There are enough liberal groups that can help fund/organize “useful idiot’s” behind some kind of semi-coherent cause. I think there are like-minded collectivist types who would like to more openly state their platform in the public square. Union rallies have a lot of this marxist ideology floating around but it’s not advertised by the leaders so explicitly.

    You could have a new union-backed, Soros-funded type of group form called OccupyWallStreet or 99%-ers or something catchy and instead of wasting time camping out they could actually have meetings and put together some kind of new platform to have a voice.

    Right now their list of demands are completely stupid but maybe they dial it back a little to be something more palatable like a platform for ‘free college education’ or something – maybe that could be the next big entitlement the left goes for. I think that is the end game. Bc what else are they doing? They’re basically just organizing right now and getting publicity. Just you wait, this will turn into something.

    Now the next question, is will a) some liberal politicians flirt with them and b) how will these ideas look to the mainstream public? A. depends alot on B. – I can’t imagine these ideas are going to play out real positively in the near term, they really have to dial things back and I doubt they will. Liberals like Nancy Pelosi and our adoring president were quick to jump on the Occupy bandwagon but I think you’ll see some distancing especially if this gets violent. If it continues to just be this goofy collectivist get-togethers maybe they keep some ‘tacid’ kind of support since these are the kind of folks who consistently vote Democratic. They are wanting to jump on the bandwagon bc they want to give some momentum to something that could be ‘their’ Tea-Party of the left but I don’t think it’s going to work. It’s much more likely to backfire.

    If I were Democrats I would support some of the ‘populist’-type vague ideas like anti-bank bailout rhetoric without actually explicitly supporting these groups until they see how the whole thing shakes out.

    They really aren’t being very cautious just bc they are so eager to get their own grassroots movement up and flying.

    For the rest of us we get to sit back, grab some popcorn and enjoy the trainwreck. As long as it doesn’t get ‘Bill Ayers’ violent this could be good to get some more of these socialist ideas out there explicitly instead of more ‘nuanced’ versions of these ideas underneath the surface. For those of us paying attention, we know that liberalism has completely gone the way of Euro-style socialism and THOSE are the moderates. The full-blown wingnuts are completely just plain vanilla Marxists. This Democratic party is not led by the Joe Manchins of the world. And I think it’s time mainstream America gets a peak at what the left really believes.

  • lineholder

    Maybe we should make a chant of it. “Go Left with OWS! Go Left with OWS!”

    The farther left they go, the greater our chances are of winning.

  • jaykali

    The younger Ron Paul voters will vote for Obama when Ron Paul doesn’t win the republican nomination. That being said I think we should understand that libertarianism is a brand that can win with a younger audience. I like the more libertarian tilt of the Republican party these days. I think you can go too far down that path but I think there is a balance there that could be a winner going forward.

  • jaykali

    So it’s an insult to call a liberal a socialist but we do actually have a socialist Democrat – that should be a HINT to some people that Bernie’s not the only one…

  • gekster

    you are for Hootie and the Blowfish.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    People Eating Tasty Animals?

    Or the ASPCA:
    American Society for the Proper Cooking of Animals?

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    too far to the right = totalitarianism;
    too far to the left = totalitarianism.

    Political ideology is not a line but a circle where “moderate” or “centrist” is at the top of the circle and tyranny is its bottom.

  • onetrickpony

    I respectfully disagree on your first statement; the only real options for a true younger RP supporter are:

    - write him in
    - migrate towards a 3rd party (Libertarian Party, Constitution Party, etc.)

    You see, any other Republican candidate is the same as pulling the lever for the status quo; the two are not mutually exclusive. While libertarianism is an attractive brand, many younger folks want it in its closest-to-purest form, hence the writing in or 3rd party. Everything else is libertarian-lite. This is why they drag signs to any event possible and spam message boards/polls.

  • lineholder

    Got more?

  • bootwearinsmith

    just seem like young people ticked off that they didn’t get a high paying job straight out of college with their awesome art history degrees. But maybe that’s just my opinion.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    There are any number of “political circle” depictions out there, but this is close to the one I have always studied from, and the one that demonstrates American political thought the best, IMHO.

    What most of RP’s supporters don’t understand is that true libertarianism is very much like pure conservatism: the individual is afforded maximum liberty so long as said liberty does not interfere with another’s liberty. However, true libertarianism does not afford safety nets: my neighbor is not to be taxed to pay for my upkeep, even if I cannot provide for myself. It’s not his problem if I starve to death because I did not prepare for the future.

  • rbdwiggins

    Too far to the left, leads to Totalitarianism.
    Too far to the right, leads to Anarchy.

    Look at it as the degree or extent of government control. Most ideologies tend to obfuscate the end result of specific policies.

    Not so with the conservative principles embodied in the US Constitution. Conservatism leads to Ordered Liberty.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    Disclosure: I am actually a contributing member of the ASPCA, but I think PETA are a bunch of lunatics.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    I must admit that I do get some help from a friend. He is an MCAD: Microsoft Certified Acronym Developer. Between the two of us, we can pretty much come up with new words for any acronym out there.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Knowing something about actual art can come in handy. It’s the social sciences that are the waste of class credits.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    depends upon the angle of perception. Since you and I are probably not standing at the exact same point, politically speaking, my perspective is different than yours. It does not make mine any more valid or yours any less valid. We just learned things and see things from a different perspective.

    I will say, that from having read many of your posts on RS, I can tell that our points of reference are not far removed at all. Have a look at the circle I posted below, and you’ll find that even my perspective doesn’t match perfectly with it: a libertarian is NOT a centrist. Libertarianism falls at the far right side of the circle, not at the top, and socialism falls at the far left side of the circle, not at the bottom. Socialism is not totalitarian, but it is well on the way to it. It falls in the ideology of “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.” Same thing happens when we fall too far in the direction of libertarianism–too much liberty and freedom opens the door for Vladmir Lenin and Joseph Stalin to step in and take over a severely weakened government.

  • lineholder

    So now for me, as someone who looks at broad spectrum societal influences, I’d look at a diagram of that sort and say to myself, “what is our current status? Where are we as related by this diagram?” As things stand now, we’re somewhere in that area of Politically Correct Activists, if not beyond it towards totalitarianism. The next question would be where do we want to be? Suppose we set a goal as top dead center. In order to achieve that goal, we actually have to move strongly back in the direction of conservatism.

    I think most of us in the nation do want balance of power maintained in our form of government rather than ever reach totalitarianism (on either side), and I think that’s why so many people are receptive to Conservative ideas right now.

  • bonnman

    Warren is latching on to the #OWS message and with barely entering the race she is polling tied or slightly ahead of him. Its certainly not hurting her.

  • acat

    a successful career in sales.

    It’s not the credit hours. It’s the utter lack of a work ethic.

    Mew

  • rightwingmom52

    I usually try not to be too pious about being a correct activist.

  • reaganbuckley

    “With endless elections and permanent campaigns, it is exquisitely sensitive to voters? wants.”

    “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

  • acat

    is that there’s nothing stopping groups of neighbors, churches, companies, bowling leagues, whatever from offering or allowing members to enter into some sort of private safety net.

    Further, there’s nothing preventing any of the above organizations from spontaneously adding someone to their list of help-ees.

    It’s called charity. Americans are quite good at it. I won’t speak for everyone, but it pisses me off to be told that the government is “better” at it when I can see with my own two eyes that they’re not.

    Mew

  • macbookben

    …between Ron Paul Libertarians and Occupiers? Where to find good weed at these shindigs.

  • lineholder

    they use to (1) get more control and (2) get their hands on more money.

    It would be different at least to some extent if they exercised some fiscal prudence and spent that money wisely, but they don’t.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    We have, indeed, swung way to far to the left, and the American people are waking up to that, and getting very weary of it. While the circle doesn’t totally match with my theory, it comes closer than any other I have seen out there on the internets. Center-right is where most Americans are, and where we need to stay. OWS consists of mostly leftists and disenfranchised young people. Well, guess what! Most young people are disenfranchised because we can’t start at the top with great paying jobs. As I have stated before, I started out working for 80 cents an hour. If I were still making that wage, it would not be my employer’s fault, it would be MINE!

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    NT

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    And that is why so many insurance companies have the word “farm” or “farmer” in their names. They were started by cooperatives of farmers who pooled part of their profits each year into the cooperative so that if any farmer had an unforeseen disaster, he could collect enough from the pool to keep his farm and try again next year.

    If you need a safety net, join a coop. If you have the resources to go it alone, don’t join. Which leads to the question of the farmer of what he would do if he won the lottery. Answer? He said he would try farming for one more year.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    Because that WOULD hurt her.

  • snowshooze

    Did you even read the quote you cited?

  • txpat

    Waiting to come to an agreement on type of food to eat, and in their weaken condition won’t be able to wave their hands in approval.

  • msctex

    Too much Government = Totalitarianism

    Too little = Anarchy

    The irony, of course, is that most so-called Anarchists are Leftist as can be, but such is the price of the abandonment of Reason.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Jacobson get2djnow

    It is a diagram. I’m sure there’s some validity to it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pournelle_chart

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Jacobson get2djnow

    got me into medical school. Not too shabby for a social science, I think.

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    and not let up until they get what they’re after… if they can ever define what they’re after…

    Just saying that it’s a waste of effort to tell them when they’re wrong -especially if they don’t even know what they’re protesting for – and why should anyone interrupt their journey through life when it is likely to end up with a valuable growth experience at the hands of riot police?

  • ohiohistorian

    First Romneycare, then gay marriage, now Warren. The place where the “shot heard ’round the world” was fired has become a Pablum-consuming bunch of babies, sitting in their high chairs and mewling “MORE”. I guess the question is whether they will give up liberty faster than it is taken away from them to achieve security?

  • mriggio

    indicating the policyholder’s ownership of the company, in contrast to the ownership of stockholders in a corporation. Makes the mutual insurance company into an actual co-op. In profitable years, the mutual company can refund part of the paid premiums as a type of dividend. Things haven’t been so profitable lately, tho…

  • acat

    An associate pointed out that there appears to be quite a lot of similarity between the #OWS participants and the folks who sat out 2010… i.e. the folks whose first ballot ever was for Obama in 2008.

    If this is the team Elizabeth Warren is banking on …

    Mew

  • bonnman

    And I’m sure Warren is trying to get their vote but she also just pulled in $3.15M in her first few weeks of fund raising. Apparently the hippies have some money.

  • acat

    “Is it you or your parents in this income tax bracket”, #OWS?

    Mew