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GOP candidates! Boycott the Nevada debate*!

It’s been reported that Jon Huntsman has decided to boycott the Nevada CNN debate next Tuesday as part of a larger pushback against Nevada’s moving up its caucus date. I applaud this act of principle, and encourage all other Republican candidates** to follow suit immediately.

In fact… this problematical situation vis a vis the creeping primary dates have gotten so out of hand that the only reasonable thing to do at this point is to have all Republican candidates*** refuse to do any more debates at all until the state GOP parties resolve this issue.

Moe Lane

*Unless you are Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, and/or Mitt Romney.

**Except for the ones named Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, and/or Mitt Romney.

***This suggestion should not be taken as being applicable to Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, and/or Mitt Romney.

COMMENTS

  • Mike

    BUT ZOMG RON PAU–

    I’m sorry, I can’t even type that with a straight face :D Well said, Moe!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    too many open primaries too often choose establishment moderates as our nominee?

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    As you can see in his latest posts in his diary, he has attributed my writings to others and then named them, the city in which they live, their family information, and their religious and educational affiliations.

    This is a clear attempt at intimidation.

    I am not the individual he “exposes” in his post. He has gone too far. The post with that information needs to be taken down.

  • lookingforward

    This is Perry’s chance to make a statement against moving primary dates (which arguably hurts him) while avoiding having to be in another debate (which also hurts him). He wasn’t going to win Nevada anyway, so he should boycott the debate and go give some speeches in SC and FL.

  • reggie182

    Some of you may not know him. He was a Congressman, Governor of Louisiana, and head of a successful bank. He’s brilliant. The guy was admitted into Harvard at the age of 15, and he’s a good conservative.

    He’s also been running for President…..for months, but hasn’t gotten an invitation to a single debate.

    If the field is going to be thin for the Nevada debate, I think maybe the guy should be given one opportunity to fill one of those empty seats and speak to the American people.

  • APA Guy

    …and I agree that it was out of line on Spagnolo’s part, but you don’t need to thread-jump telling everyone in sight. The moderators will surely address this in due time.

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    But the matter needs to be addressed and I thought a response directly to Moe might raise awareness sooner.

  • joekat

    nothing else needs to be said about him.

  • APA Guy

    Just remember that we have a pretty sharp crew of moderators here. I’ll bet a buffalo nickel they’ll address the matter in short order.

  • Xasteius

    nt

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    So I don’t know what’s going on, and I’ve passed this over to people who can assess the situation.

  • kipling

    Best.

  • tngal

    “Cain spokesman J.D. Gordon said the former Godfather?s CEO will boycott the Nevada caucus, scheduled for Jan. 14, if the state GOP does not move the event back at least three days, …

    Cain will still appear at Tuesday night?s debate in Las Vegas and will not cancel his scheduled campaign events Wednesday in the state, Gordon said.”

    got that from politico but its also on fox and a couple other sites. . The politico link is down below. Not sure Nevada is getting this right, but Nevada swears up and down its Florida’s fault.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66013.html#ixzz1as0d51uv

  • Xasteius

    (for sale or rent)

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    Moving the primary to Dec 6th or the 13th will not go well with the voters of NH. It is bad enough many NH voters already hate the endless political TV ads, calls at dinner time and boatloads of junk mail that comes with the first in the nation Presidential primary. I heard one guy demand Governor Lynch fire Bill Gardner.

    It is looking like individuals with ties to Mitt Romney have had a hand in Florida moving up their primary date. That should not be tolerated and Reince Priebus should grow a pair and call a meeting of the RNC and pass a resolution stripping any state that does not follow the plan laid out last year of all of its delegates. They should also vote to move the convention out of Tampa if they don’t move their primary date to the end of February.

  • dskinner11

    Reince Priebus needs to get his act together. He already screwed up by letting Florida move up, but at least he needs to get NV and NH to work this out and stay in January.

  • joayn

    in Moes’ link above.

    I’ve read elsewhere that Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum, Huntsman, Cain, and Paul have threatened to boycott the debate. So, is it just Bachmann, Huntsman, Paul, and Santorum?

  • dskinner11

    They can’t move up the election ans still get out their military and overseas ballots.

    http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/10/bill-gardners-b.php

  • snowshooze

    So.. I’d like to see as much of the candidates as possible, in real debates and conversations.. but not at the expanse of the time I want for selection.

  • pantera

    Good decision for him. He’ll get more airtime explaining why he won’t participate.

    The dates are being set for this 2012 cycle.
    Next time the GOP needs to set the primary dates and stop this
    hopscotch match .
    GOP leadership weakness has led to this hullabaloo.

  • redmymind

    Heaven knows he’s got enough self-contradictory positions to make for an interesting self-exchange/soliloquy . . . and he’ll win the debate too!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I don’t blame any state for trying to have more influence. I suspect that if we let nature run its course, we would have a nationwide primary the day after McCains lose and we would pick real conservatives as a consequence. Go Nevada!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Or that the media does.

  • pantera

    Good decision for him. He?ll get more airtime explaining why he won?t participate.

    The dates are being set for this 2012 cycle.
    Next time the RNC needs to set the primary dates and stop this
    hopscotch match .
    RNC leadership weakness has led to this hullabaloo.

  • don12345

    You guys still haven’t figured it out. The reason: Romney already has sewn up the election all the way to the White House. Game over. He’s pitched the perfect game, and we all love winners, and has demonstrated to the right he’s the only one that can give the presidential trophy to the Tea Party and Republicans. He’s shown to the center he will fix America. He has shown to the left the writing on the wall and that they shouldn’t have used the stolen golden vessels of our children’s future for their dinner parties. Obama is scared and is already showing it. The 75% from the right care about one thing, electability, and Romney is the only electable candidate with no one else coming. Cain, Perry and all the others lose to Obama in double digits except Romney who’s been tied statistically all this year. Now if you don’t want a strong America, you should be sad along with the Democrats, because your weak President will be leaving the White House come 2012.

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    If NH goes in December we won’t have enough of a barrage of political ads to drive us batty. LOL.

  • ragstoriches

    is that the ends (winning the White House) justify the means (getting behind a man of questionable integrity and who has shown a propensity to change his tune in the face of potential loss just to win).

    I do not believe the ends justify the means. That’s exactly the rationalization used by Democrats and liberals for just about every vile regulation and law they push down our throats.

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    He is bringing his entire HQ of paid staff to NH to stump for independents. He has few volunteers.

  • carolina

    My active GOP friend in FL is upset about the FL GOP mechinationss and fears this could lead to a 3rd party in FL (especially because they will likely lose 1/2 of their convention delegates).

  • cajungirl2012

    is one reason folks don’t like Mittens. Such arrogance.

    His policies as governor match Obama’s. That’s what we call a RECORD, That makes Mittens LESS electable. Get it?

    Don’t insult our intelligence.

  • lineholder

    in front of millions of bullish Conservatives?

    Tell me what’s “electable” in this:

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/helenwhalen%20cohen/2011/10/15/as_mass_governor,_romney_consulted_obamas_environmental_policy_advisor

    Mitt Romney has got more points of liberal-sided weakness than a rabid dog has saliva at this point. Insulting the people he needs to side with him for a win isn’t a good strategy.

  • joecollins

    He is so low in the polls that he barely makes a ripple. Take a hint, John.

  • redmymind

    when asked again the following day.

  • vaaztx

    ?to pass a law barring cauci, primaries, and conventions for Federal office from being held more than 6 months before a Federal election to not only shorten the election cycle, but also to prevent your pissant state from deciding who my Presidential nominees are two months before I’ve had a chance to cast a ballot.

  • dio55

    why should we care what Rino states like new hampshire and Iowa think they let rabid socialists and communists help decide who the republican nominee should be and that tilts every election to RINOS hey heres an idea lets boycot iowa and new hampshire

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    Iowa,NH,NV and SC will all lose half of their delegates because of the early dates. Florida lost half of its delegates in 2008 because they moved up their date.

  • bzip

    You know what this republican primary reminds me of – the 2010 Californian Governors race. We had the Mega Millions Meg Whitman (liberal), Steve Poizner (the most conservative candidate that could possible win and had a lot of money but not as much as Meg).

    The Tea Party Patriots supported Steve (that caused a mess, infighting within other Tea Party groups since other groups wanted another candidate). Most of the other Tea Party groups wanted Larry Naritelli. Larry had never held or ran for elected office before; he was a CEO of some company. Larry didn?t have much money either.

    Larry ran up and down the state calling on all the Tea Party groups, giving much energized speeches all day long, getting large turn outs at the Tea Party rallies, etc. Though I must admit Larry didn?t have the media going around crowning him Messiah but we know what happen with Messiah Obama in 2008.

    Well, come primary Larry got 3% of the vote, Mega Millions won. Maybe, just maybe if all the Tea Party groups got behind Steve he just might have be able to beat Meg but there was no way in hayday that Larry could have ever won that primary.

    The end result, well we now have the Dem of all Dem’s, The Moonbeam himself Jerry Brown.

    Wonder if this sound or has any similarities to our current primary?.makes you wonder doesn?t it.

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    For the record there are a lot of people in NH who want a national primary day. The current system is lop sided and unfair and it is the media that benefits from it the most.

    I will not defend our election laws in NH. I am sickened by the out of staters that are allowed to vote here.

  • intensity

    ,,,if Cain and Perry split the vote, Romney wins.

    And then Obama will knock off Romney with ease because he is’nt offering anything new!

    Fellow conservatives, please stand with me and support Rick Perry, the only true conservative with a chance of beatign Obama and taking the federal government out of our lives.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I wish all closed primary states would set their primaries and/or caucuses for before NH and let the chips fall. Force the issue against establishment incumbent protection plans in the Election campaign schedule. But I could be missing some technical point that I would be happy to learn if a campaign would hire me and pay me!

  • reggie182

    Haven’t been keeping track of Buddy that much in recent days. His reaction to OWS is a bit troubling. It may be that he’s merely playing the populist route, i.e. the enemy is special interest.

    I’m not saying I’d vote for the guy in the primaries. I just think he deserves a seat in the debate.

  • mvosteen

    I am not happy about the primaries moving up. But having congress tell any state when they could have their primary doesn’t seem right ether. I live in PA and I have been voting since 1977 when I turned 18. By the time I get to vote in a presidential primary it usually doesn’t matter because the winner has already been chosen. So I understand why a state would want to move up to make their votes as important as some one from Iowa, New Hampshire, or any other state. We can’t all vote on the same day, it would be to costly to the marginal candidates so only the party favorites would even have a chance, and we can’t be having a primary a year before the election ether. So does some one have a better idea before total chaos happens?

  • sethellis

    There’s a real interesting political calculation here. Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina, and Florida. I don’t know how much voters will take this whole primary calendar controversy into consideration for their decisions. However, let’s just assume for the sake of argument that it matters a lot. Here is a breakdown of each state based on how many delegates they’ll get based on: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R-Alloc.phtml

    Iowa: 28
    New Hampshire 23
    South Carolina 50
    Nevada 28
    Florida: 99

    I think we can assume that Romney gets New Hampshire, and loses South Carolina. That leaves three states where I think it could go either way. I don’t think that Florida will really care about what happens with Nevada’s date. So the choice you have is if you want to please Iowa or Nevada? So again let’s assume that each votes based on this one decision. They each have the same number of delegates, but Nevada will lose half of its.

    Which means that you’d want to please Iowa. The candidates have already done the math, and that’s why they’re all starting to say that they will skip Nevada. If Nevada doesn’t budge they still get Iowa, and if Nevada moves back 3 days they could still have a chance to take both states. Note this is different for Romney. It’s entirely possible for him to just sit quietly and take both Nevada and Iowa.

    The debate is a different issue though. Time is running out to make a good impression. By the time the next debate comes around things may have already solidified. Team Perry seems to think the debates don’t matter so maybe he decides to skip. Cain on the other side probably can’t afford to make the same decision. Now is a critical time for him to gather up support, and a good debate performance is his best chance to do that.

    The risk for the other candidates is that the debate turns into a Romney vs Cain battle. This would make anyone else in the race become irrelevant.

  • sethellis

    The Nevada caucases is just for Nevada, but the debate is for everyone. Skipping the debate means that all of us are robbed of another opportunity to explore the candidates more. I think it’s wrong to skip the debate just because of rogue primary states. I hope Huntsman is the only one to make this mistake, but ultimately I hope that Nevada just wises up and moves it’s date back 3 days.

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    you actually find good analysis in the discussion forums, instead of rhetoric and diatribes.

    Good job.

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    because Presidential candidates will invalidate party rules when the convention rolls around. A presidential nominee as a lot of power at the party convention and can easily “unpunish” states that violate party rules. Congressman don’t benefit from this system and would be less influenced by it.

  • cwilson

    .

  • cwilson

    Because the Holy Bible says that the following four states must and shall always determine, with practically zero input from the rest of the country, who our nominee should be.

    1) A state where every vote is bought by whoever promises the most corn subsidies, stolen from the pockets of the other 49 states.

    2) A state with what is basically an open primary (independents can vote in either primary, so practically everybody is an independent), and is populated with hundreds of thousands of transplants from ultraliberal Massachusetts. The (true) locals have a name for those folks, which can’t be used in deference to site rules.

    3) A state that sent Harry Reid to the Senate for 25 years — and only included in this list because in 2008 the Democrats thought it would be a good idea.

    4) And finally, a state whose political culture is an absolute cesspool — just ask Nikki Haley how she was treated by the RPoSC during her campaign for governor. Or (as much as I despise the man for other reasons) ask John McCain about the (quite real) scurrilous whisper campaign that he (wrongly) attributed to W, rather than to the truly guilty party, the cesspool of the RPoSC. Oh, and did I mention that S.C. ALSO has an open primary, where the Dems get to pick our nominee?

    Yes, the Word of the Lord demands that these four states shall now and forevermore choose our nominee (e.g. Fred was out after S.C. last time, as was most everybody else except McCain, Mittens, and Giuliani).

    While I’m not too happy that the ripple effect of FL moving up has on the Not-Romney side, I fully support challenging the absurd notion that IA, NH, NV, and SC should be the permanent gatekeepers. Good on FL for challenging THAT, at least.

    If IA moves up to Dec 6, all it will really mean is that folks will simply consider it irrelevant. Sure, the winner will pick up a few early delegates, but it will just be too d*** early to really be an actual preference statement for the final result — only barely different than a straw poll.

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    half their delegates by moving their dates ahead of February. The RNC offered the February carve out to those four states. NH is looking like we get 10 delegates, if we lose any more we become a beauty contest.

  • dskinner11

    My point is that Nevada wasn’t the first state to shake up the primary calendar but everybody is boycotting them acting like they were the cause of the problem.

    There is not a shortage of good ideas on how to reform the primary system, there is a shortage of political will. The rest of the states have enough power that through the RNC they could change the system and award no delegates to anyone who breaks the system. Instead we get this disorganized cluster. Oh well.

  • floridaveteran

    Romney gets about 25%; conservatives get 75%

  • floridaveteran

    The states set their primary/caucus dates. The only think the RNC can do is threaten to not seat the delegates.

    If the RNC doesn’t seat the FL delegates, then the state will have not been involved in the primary system. Therefore, there should not be a republican in the ballot in Nov.

  • floridaveteran

    The parties in conjunction with the states set the primaries/cauci. It is not a congressional power.

  • SoFiMil

    LOL. Hear we go again…

  • floridaveteran

    Without full representation at the Rep. convention the states are free to hold state level conventions (or use their primary/caucus date) and insert that person in their ballots as the republican nominee for president.

  • bs61

    Sure, Romney is in the bag for RINO’s like Medved and Rove, but we Tea Paritiers won’t allow the MSM establlishment media choose the next Prez!

    And wake up Romney supporter, to what Levin says – 75% of Republicans do not choose Romney.

  • redmymind

    Too much time is wasted during these debates with the back-and-forths between the non-Romney/anti-Romney candidates that clearly don’t have a prayer at being nominated. Romney fears Perry, as much as he tries to mask that, and thrives on a diluted, divided conservative field from which he can take his cheap, rhetorical potshots and attempt at some humor with those insipid zingers and one-liners.

    As for California, you’re exactly right! We ended up with Meg Whitman (Arnold in a dress) due to a divided conservative field that couldn’t commit to one, realistic candidate, and that 60s re-tread liberal ended up winning.

    Being that all Romney has to show for is his cherished “debating skills,” and no real conservative record, Obama, who is a far superior debator with charm and charisma to boot, will run circles around “Mr. Roboto” Romney.

    The fault lines are drawn clear to those who don’t succumb to the paralysis of analysis and the mental gymnastics so indicative of it.

  • intensity

    …will be our conservative who can go on to beat Obama??

    Not the pizza 9-9-9 man.

  • nvrepub

    nt

  • Adjoran

    Instead of a wimpy penalty like their votes only count for half on the first Presidential ballot – which every nominee then arranges to cancel as soon as he has control of the convention so the state sees him favorably – make it real: Break the schedule, you lose ALL your seats at the convention. Stay the heck home, no input, no free food, no parties.

    See how fast they straighten up then.

    The argument against NH IA SC & NV going first is understandable, but regional primaries or letting large states go early just puts even more emphasis on early fundraising. The first four now are retail politics states with cheaper media markets. An upstart candidate has a chance.

    People whine about the “establishment” but messing with the primary calendar would almost guarantee the big money guys would always win.

  • windwaker24

    What does that mean?

  • gekster

    from:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/weekinreview/07mckinley.html

    excerpt:
    The nickname was coined by Mike Royko, the famed Chicago columnist, who in 1976 said that Mr. Brown appeared to be attracting ?the moonbeam vote,? which in Chicago political parlance meant young, idealistic and nontraditional.

    The term had a nice California feel, and Mr. Royko eventually began applying it when he wrote about the Golden State?s young, idealistic and nontraditional chief executive. He found endless amusement ? and sometimes outright agita ? in California?s oddities, calling the state ?the world?s largest outdoor mental asylum.?

  • westcoastpatriette

    he was governor here befor. He’s a loony liberal with a lot of strange ideas so everyone started calling him Governor Moonbeam.

  • windwaker24

    Now it makes sense! :)

  • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

    We’ll leave aside for now the folly of taking seriously opinion polls done this far out, when MOST Americans (we political junkies being the exception) are not paying ANY attention to primaries and elections. If you think they do, you need to get out more!

    Romney has serious problems, the chief being Romneycare, which he inexplicably refuses to admit was/is a disaster. Have you forgotten how much the majority of Americans HATE Obamacare, and feel personally betrayed by their government because of it? The recent news that some of the very same people who helped Obama on Obamacare helped Mitt Romney craft RomneyCare only makes Romney’s situation worse.

    And then there’s Romney’s past VOCIFEROUS, repeated support of “a woman’s right to choose.” There was his dictatorial executive order mandating city officials all over Massachusetts to perform “marriages” of people of identical gender. There’s his continued buy-in to the global warming hoax, even though it’s been nearly two full years since the Climategate scandal broke into the news. On and on and on.

    Anyone who’s worked elections knows that the Get Out The Vote effort is what wins or loses an election. And successful GOTV efforts depend on a large, intensely committed corps of volunteers. In the next election, those volunteers will be more important than ever. The Democrats have made it obvious that as full of dirty tricks, illegal campaign contributions, voter registration fraud, ballot fraud, lies and slanders, vandalism, etc., the 2008 election was, the 2012 election will be a whole order of magnitude WORSE.

    The GOP will have to win by a REAL margin of 20% in order to win by an apparent margin of even 5%. It’s going to be the dirtiest election any of us have ever seen in our lifetimes. The socialists, having come so far toward the dream they’ve harbored for nearly a century, are NOT going to give up the power they’ve gained willingly — or legally.

    Republicans will need to go ALL OUT in every possible legal way to stand a chance against the Obama Machine. A passionate, energized base will be a NECESSITY not a luxury. Surely you don’t seriously believe that Mitt Romney — of all people — can inspire that kind of commitment in the vital segment of the GOP that gets out there and pounds the pavement and mans the phones and wins elections? Think about it.

    You obviously have no idea how MANY people Ann Barnhardt speaks for when she says, “Mitt Romney go home!”

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    was one of the key leaders in the conservative movement overall in the late 60s thru Reagan and was a key state that Reagan won 76 and 80. Moreover, I wouldn’t blame SC for the McCain problem given that Fed got in so late and there were so many candidates that were moderates or flawed in other ways.

  • gogogodzilla

    Why doesn’t the Republican party auction off primary dates each election cycle? That way each cycle will have a different lineup of primaries, so no one can complain that one state or the other is getting preferential treatment.

  • acat

    A lottery for the primary order could actually work.

    (cat imagines a glass column full of air and ping pong balls, with Reince Priebus and Debbie Wasserman Schultz and a couple assistants tabulating the primary order as each ball is drawn)

    The main problem, of course, is that the GOP and Dem primaries tend to take place at the same time, thus my lineup above.

    Any move to change the primary order would just about have to be bipartisan.

    Mew

  • tngal

    That would be worth looking into. Allowing a state to be “first” just because it always has been, seems elitist. Much like thrusting a candidate out there because its their “turn” it is to be speaker, or president, or chairman of something or other.

    If a state didn’t want to be in the lottery for first or second or third, they could opt out.

    The only question I would have would be does a caucus constitute a primary in the lottery scenerio?

  • damianlewis719

    Plus, Perry comes off as lethargic. I was looking forward to a good fight between the two Governors, boy did Romney clean his clock. I would not be surprised if Perry took his Texas 17 million and went back to Austin.

  • intensity

    …Perry will take his awesome ideas and to to the white house.

    If you support Romney, you support Obama, and you support socialism.

    Bye

  • supergirl2911

    nt

  • supergirl2911

    the problem I see with moving it all earlier is it makes for a long general election campaign season, more time to throw mud. I have an idea. Let’s move up the General Election to June, and inauguration to July 4th.
    On a serious note, does a short primary and long general election help conservatives? I do not think so.

  • reggie182

    Well why not go the extra mile with the hyperbole and call him a communist?

    The notion that Romney’s philosophy is socialistic or Obamanistic is beyond ludicrous. It doesn’t hold up to the slightest view of the facts.

  • gekster

    Romneycare is socialist.
    Making 92% of the population pay for 8% of the population.
    I can’t see it no other way.

  • nick2253

    Every single politician that has ever voted yes to any kind of spending has said we’ll let 53% of the population pay for the other 47% of the population.

    RomneyCare is not Obamacare. Even if they were the exact same bill, RomneyCare is not ObamaCare. Why?

    First off, the reason that people dislike ObamaCare is not the content of the bill. It has almost everything to do with the way it was passed. When people are polled on the individual portions, majorities approve of most of it. Now, the mandate is obviously unpopular, and there are other provision that are unpopular, but on the whole, people approve of the content more than they disapprove.

    When Obama and the Democrats passed Obamacare, they basically gave America the middle finger and said bend over and take it. Americans don’t like to be told what to do, and that’s the major reason for the flak against that program.

    Now, Massachusetts is not the United States. In Mass, not only was the bill popular, the mandate was popular, and its effects were much reduced due to the already low number of uninsured. People in Mass wanted such a bill. And Romney delivered. Romney was being a good representative of the people of Mass when he did so. We b*tch and moan all the time here about people “not representing us,” but when a large majority demands some form of action, we deride politicians from representing that large majority.

    At all levels of government, the founding fathers never intended us to elect politicians, they intended that we would elect representatives, who would use their superior knowledge, skills, and connections to ensure our vision became a reality.

    In Mass, Romney acted as a representative of the people: Mass wanted Romneycare, and he delivered. There was no law preventing a mandate, at either the state or federal level, and it’s what the people wanted. At the Federal Level, it most clearly isn’t.

    I’m probably in the minority here, but I don’t see any problem with Romney supporting Romneycare while vowing to repeal Obamacare. In my view, it’s not just the text of the law that matters. It’s about the constituent, and what they want.

  • gekster

    Paying taxes for Gov. sevices is one thing.
    We need national defense, roads, etc.
    Taking money to give to those who do not have something,
    healthcare, wellfare, unemployment, is socialism.
    Romney forced the insured to pay , through the state, for tthe uninsured.
    That IS socialism.
    You can paint it over like a rock, but any one can see it.

  • nick2253

    If I’m a person who makes no money, and pays no taxes, I still benefit from national defense, roads, infrastructure. However, I’m not paying for that service. You are taking money from other to provide benefits to me.

    What about people who are incapable of providing for themselves? Is healthcare for Veterans socialism? The government is taking money from everyone else and giving it to only a select few who don’t have to pay into that system. What about care for those who are disabled? Same story.

    Social security? Might as well have the slogan “from each according to their ability, to each according to their need.”

    Unless the government collects the exact same amount of money from every citizen, then its condoning socialism by this world view.

    Now, I agree with you that “Romney forced the insured to pay, through the state, for the uninsured.” And if our politicians tried to do that in my state, I’d fight it, because I disagree with Romneycare. My point is that it is not my state in question here. A large majority of Mass citizens supported–in fact demanded–this form of socialism, and Romney, as their representative, provided it. If Mass wants to become a Communist state, that I could care less. But I won’t fault someone for representing the demands of their constituents, and that is the crux of my point.

  • Michael Dugas

    That way you don’t have some state like Hew Hampshire with a tiny GOP representation having so much sway as far as the nominee goes. If you go with whatever state has the largest number of delegates first you get a better shot at actually getting a nominee that truly represents the desires of the party.

  • Adjoran

    Put the expensive media market states to the front and you guarantee no outsider or upstart can ever compete – unless they are independently wealthy like Trump.

  • minister_of_war

    And New Hampshire’s Secretary of State is complaining about nothing. But if Florida wouldn’t have pushed for such an early date, then the people in New Hampshire wouldn’t have had reason to whine when Nevada’s GOP did exactly what it was expected to do.

    And NH can do a primary on the Tuesday before Nevada’s Saturday caucus w/o it hurting NH’s standing as the first primary state.

    One other point about boycotting the Nevada caucuses & the Nevada debate: those options are only being put out there by people who weren’t going to win in Nevada anyway in order to try to lessen the significance of a Romney win in Nevada. It’s smart primary political strategy for the other campaigns, but it’s dumb General Election strategy. Nevada is a completely winnable state for Republicans in 2012. But if one of the Republican contenders who boycotts Nevada wins the nomination, the nominee has just hurt his or her own standing with the Nevada General Electorate.

    Huntsman’s play on this is the most despicable of all the candidates for his pandering on this issue. First, Huntsman was Governor of a neighbor to Nevada & the western United States in politics is often left out of the national spotlight much like it is in college sports. But Huntsman is trying to make Nevada front-runner Mitt Romney look like he’s anti-New Hampshire in order to lessen the significance of the fact that Huntsman will do so poorly in the first western state contest in a state where he was the neighboring governor.

    Once again, why is Jon Huntsman running for President?

  • Michael Dugas

    It’s perceived by many Republicans, especially many Conservatives, that states like New Hampshire have to much power in choosing the Republican candidate for President. It’s hard to ignore that a state with an extremely small sample of Republicans and an even smaller sample of Conservatives, can have such say in who gets nominated. It seems to me that it would be a better idea that states with a larger overall sample of Republicans would have a better chance at nominating a candidate acceptable to a larger share of the Party.
    I’m not sure that I agree that this would lead to “…only the well financed need apply…” . But lets be realistic here if you have a candidate that isn’t able to compete financially come primary time then they aren’t going to get elected.

  • gogogodzilla

    I was thinking more of an auction, where each state’s Republican party would bid money for the early primaries.

    Then the money raised would be given to the Republican Presidential primary winner as a starting ‘pot of cash’ to use in funding his general campaign.