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NYPD utilizing #OWS for indigent relief efforts?

(Via Jammie Wearing Fool) Which is a polite way of saying “New York cops allegedly loading Zuccotti Park up with real homeless.”

…while officers may be in a no-win situation, at the mercy of orders carried on shifting political winds and locked into conflict with a so-far almost entirely non-violent protest movement eager to frame the force as a symbol of the oppressive system they’re fighting, the NYPD seems to have crossed a line in recent days, as the park has taken on a darker tone with unsteady and unstable types suddenly seeming to emerge from the woodwork. Two different drunks I spoke with last week told me they’d been encouraged to “take it to Zuccotti” by officers who’d found them drinking in other parks, and members of the community affairs working group related several similar stories they’d heard while talking with intoxicated or aggressive new arrivals.

Read, as they say, the whole thing. And after you do, we’ll discuss.First off, let me surprise some folks: if the cops are doing the above, they shouldn’t be, and they need to stop. Homeless people are still people, and our societal methods of dealing with them are already sufficiently messed up that we don’t need a situation where they’re being weaponized, aimed, and fired off as part of a civic political battle. I’m also not grooving on the idea of deliberately putting homeless people – a demographic that is notoriously prone to drug use and psychological dysfunction (and let’s not make bad jokes about this, OK?) – into close contact with a bunch of people who do not actually have a clue about how to handle either. I despise the Activist Left as much as anyone, but I don’t want to see any of them actually stabbed unless they’re out there wielding a weapon*.

So far, so bleeding-heart of me. Fine, I’ll take that hit. However: the last major reason why this policy offends me is because it’s what my father called ‘sneak behavior’ (actually, he called it something slightly differently than that, but the original is too scatological to repeat). If – as the NY Daily News suggests – the NYPD really is pumping homeless in Zuccotti Park because the Bloomberg administration doesn’t want to confront the Occupiers, then the Bloomberg administration needs to resign en masse, from the Mayor on down. The Bloomberg administration is being cowardly for not dealing with the Occupiers for what they are: a collection of illegal squatters engaged in multiple violations of local housing, zoning, public health, and public safety codes. It’s long past time that they stop engaging in those violations – and it’s even longer past the time that these people have it made clear to them that there’s a reason why the first words of the First Amendment that the Occupiers pretend to worship is Congress shall make no law.

What’s that? Zuccotti Park is private property? Fine. Does Brookfield Office Properties have the necessary permissions and OKs to permit Occupy Wall Street’s activities? – That’s a rhetorical question: no, Brookfield does not. So if the owner of record is uninterested in bringing its property back in compliance with code, then the city needs to intervene. That means:

  • Go in.
  • Remove every person from the park, and prevent them from re-entry.
  • Throw everything in the park that doesn’t belong to Brookfield into a dumpster.
  • Scrub down the place.
  • Enforce existing city code in the future.
  • Arrest everybody who tries to stop the police from doing the first five items on this list. Let them enjoy a tour of the NYC court system, starting with a night at Riker’s Island.
  • AND NO EXCEPTIONS.

That’s what Rudy Giuliani would have done. Although I doubt he would have let things get this far.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

PS: No, I don’t expect that Michael Bloomberg will do any of this. He’s always been a child’s model, a slave’s flattery, of Rudy.

*But when one of them so much as picks up a rock, then that rule changes.

COMMENTS

  • Jack_Savage

    And the linked article is dead-on about the split in the encampment. I noticed it, but couldn’t quite figure it out since I thought they were all part of the “movement”. I wandered down to the bad side and immediately left, and made the folks following me at a distance do an immediate U-turn before they got there. It simply was not safe, even in the broad daylight, and my immediate thought was that the people there were either seriously mentally ill, on meth, or both. Looks like that impression was correct.

    Having said that, I completely understand the frustration that the NYPD must feel. There were about twelve of them just on the sidewalk next to Broadway (I think) who made passerby “keep it moving!” every second of every minute of the time I was there. The occupiers flaunt the law, detest the police and have taken advantage of their city. The business owners there, some of whom I talked to, are stuck waiting this thing out (especially the food trucks, who have staked out their spots for years and dare not move) as regular customers have disappeared and sales are in the tank just before cold weather sets in.

    I know this isn’t the way I should be, but it is difficult for me to feel sorry for people who beg to be protected from people they hate, and whose life experience has been limited to college campuses and people who look and think exactly like them. Maybe a dose of the real world is what they need, and my experience with police has been that they are more than happy to deliver that experience.

    As for Bloomie, no way this is a strategy on his part. He isn’t that cunning.

  • bk

    Why wouldn’t the homeless be better off moving to where the occupiers are? It’s pretty ironic if the occupiers want to exclude the bottom rung of their 99% or are unwilling to spread their wealth among the poorest of their group. They’re raised around half a million for the occupation so far, right? So it’s not like they don’t have money.

    Seems like kind of a perfect solution – the protesters claim they’ll stay forever, so the homeless should be able to get help there for a long long time. And hell, after a week or so you probably can’t smell the difference between the two groups.

    Sure it’s a cynical ploy by NYPD, but I don’t see how it does anything but help the homeless if the occupiers are sincere about the 99% business.

  • carolina

    Then they will need to vette folks who want to move in, or they will have the same problem again.
    It will be interesting to see how this evolves….. Meanwhile, the “professional homeless” should be eating better.

  • jackdaniels11

    Now I think I can see why sex crimes are becoming the sad reality in these OWS camps. The “real” homeless, either of their own accord, or at the behest of the police, are moving toward the free food and the twenty-something women (the same bait that churches, political parties, and every other movement uses). Then, once they get there, the slightly insane ones lose what little self-control they once possessed and they attack the nearest female.

    The new slogan should be “OWS: Enter at your Own Risk”. (And they’ll tell you to keep it to yourself if you do get raped. The movement is too important for the truth to imperil it.)

  • Finrod

    And a lot of experience comes from bad judgement.

    It looks like to me that these protesters are getting a lot of experience in a hurry. That doesn’t absolve Bloomberg of anything, but it is going to make things interesting. There are several different ways this could spin off and out of control into a Really Bad Situation; it’s no wonder the NYPD is on edge, because they understand that too, and they’re destined to be right there in the thick of it.

    I have a feeling that at some point in the future we’re going to be able to say “Socialism doesn’t work, just look at what happened to the Occupy Wall Street folks”.

  • renl57

    Maybe I’m dating myself,

    but I remember when such folks were called “bums.”

  • macbookben

    …regarding NYPD’s immorality of enlisting the Hessian Homeless Brigade as a bunch of dupes to annoy and irritate the trustafarians at OWS. Clearly this will be a case exploitation should such proof shine a light on this situation. But I have already digested this 22 oz, medium rare irony ribeye of a story. So I will savor that rare experience and pass on the offering of the bland dessert bowl of rice pudding that is your (correct) analysis of the current situation at Zucotti Park.

  • gracepmc

    it will be too late. With all due respect, I beg to differ with your assessment that we will look back at this and conclude Socialism doesn’t work. I have lived and worked in Socialist countries and through their transitions. And I am a student of socialist histories and revolutions. We have a country where the President daily announces that he can no longer wait for Congress so he must act alone. We have a Mayor of New York who does not enforce laws to protect the general public’s rights against the occupiers. Across the country law enforcement is abused, public places are fouled, businesses and citizens rights are trampled by the occupiers, and political officials refuse to act. Tonight in Tennessee it was decided that occupiers will not be arrested. And throughout all of this, the American public watches,muses and comments, if that. One day someone will stand up and then it will be too late. Even I am surprised at my own analysis as I never thought I would see it in this country. But what is present here that was absent in the 60s, is experience, organization,funding and political support. So, the OWS better get used to sharing “their” occupied territory with the homeless or whoever else is placed in there or who simply wanders by. Like the house scene in Dr. Zhivago soon they might be living together and then the fun begins.

  • bonnman

    I do think they are within their first amendment rights (although the bizarre public/private status of Zuccotti Park muddles everything) there is no length of time limitation on the right to peaceably assemble and the right to petition government for redress of grievances. In fact its strange to think all assemblies for petitioning government should fit into a 9 – 5 schedule. As long as they stay non-violent then I have to support their right to protest.

  • gekster

    Arn’t they the ones standing up for the have-nots.
    Arn’t they getting plenty of money donated to them.
    Arn’t they all for shareing.
    Or is it that they want others to share, and not they themselves to share.
    I hear the donations have hit over the 500K mark.

  • gekster

    They are petitioning private enterprises.
    The government would be city hall, then Albany, then WDC.

  • rickey5825

    I have no problem with the NYPD sending the homeless to Zuccotti Park.Keep all the rabble in one place and the homeless get fed.It’s truly a win/win situation.It also puts some of Soros’ money to actual good use for humanity.My guess is that the police(if they are doing it) are doing it because it amuses them and not for any malicious reason.

  • williamjameson

    Sorry but a free meal is a free meal and the homeless are the 99% so they belong and I’m glad cops are doing this. In fact, I’m going to post this on police forums and encourage other cops to forward this so they’ll do the same in their cities.

    Screw OWS and screw Obama. Either OWS helps the poor or they don’t. I’ve already read how OWS scumbags are bitching about having to cook all the time so let them suffer while the homeless eat.

    OWS had mentally ill types long before the first homeless person.

    OWS encourages all Americans to joins them. Homeless people were there from day one so the police are doing all of us a favor. Rich liberals are funding OWS so let them fund all who show it. Remember OWS says its a “FREE” country.

    OWS deserves all the negative press.

    OWS was polled, over 30% say they’ll use violence to get what they want. OWS has for more crimes 2000 plus tied to it so don’t say crime is small.

    OWS There are many crimes that no one has been arrested for including assault, battery, rape, theft, damage to property and computer hacking so don’t tell us crime is small………..these people are thug moving with a mob mentality.

    OWS is taking freedoms from people who want to use the park and they are taking freedoms from people who want unfettered access to government offices. No one wants to walk through a MOB of degenerate liberal dumbarses.

    Winter has arrived, many have gone home, the rest like the former have no solutions and they should be advised that Obama is the source of many of their grievances.

    Moe, this is not “policy” so don’t slander NYPD unless you have proof its policy because you should never attack cops.

  • macbookben

    fur shur.

  • williamjameson

    OWS should pay their fair share for the homeless too. I thought that’s what they wanted “wealth distribution”.

    I welcome the NYPD ploy as the police are the real victims of OWS, Police have to put up with hatemongers who plot against them. So if a few homeless get a free meal, more power to them.

    Didn’t OWS invite all Americans? In fact homeless people were interviewed in the first 2 weeks by TV media. So what if the cops are playing politics, OWS is too.

  • williamjameson

    no only astroturf but clearly these people have no real purpose other than to play and hope things will change. They should study the 60′s movement because most of those people became capitalists whether they admit it or not.

    In fact they too are greedy and as Gordon Gecko said, “Greed is good”. What they fail to comprehend is that a quick rise in wages will result in a rise in food, energy and clothing prices just to name a few. Those who don’t see a rise in wages will move closer to broke and others closer to poverty. We have the best system for the majority. There’s no solution for 100% satisfaction with income just short of freezing prices which stalls the economy and everyone loses.

  • Kyle-MI

    They are following the historical example of the civil rights movement and the Vietnam war protest. A violent confrontation of police to the OWS movement would create sympathy in the middle class and average voter. It is the only way they can win over a majority of the public. This is definitely the goal of the leadership. I am not sure how many of the average OWS occupiers realize it or would still be there if they knew what the leadership hopes will happen.

    The police are partially smart in dealing with this by not directly confronting OWS. However, using the homeless is an ugly tactic and could create just as much sympathy as a direct violent confrontation. Even if it would not backfire as a tactic, it is an ethical violation. The police should be there to protect people, even people who despise them or with whom they disagree. The police should not be playing games that could get someone hurt of killed.

    A better tactic for the police would be documenting the law breaking and publicizing it to undermine public support. They need to build up public support for action and probably mostly legal action like fines against the OWS slush fund.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …the ‘right to violate NYC health, public decency, sanitation, zoning, building, and public safety codes because you feel like it.’ The First Amendment does not cover the right not to report a rape because it’ll make The Cause look bad. Defecating on police cars is not ‘peaceful assembly.’

    All in all, the Occupiers are the ideological brethren of the Phelps clan: their entire operating methodology is to push our tolerance for dissenting opinions as far as it will go. Fortunately for the Republic, the Occupiers are also stupider than the Phelps clan, which has learned how to keep one eye on the law and the other on the crowd. I see no reason why we should coddle them.

  • Kyle-MI

    The police are creating a dangerous situation or, at least, amplifying a dangerous situation. It is the opposite of what the police mission is. This is a nasty dangerous game.

  • bonnman

    or rather maybe just very broad but things like student loan debt forgiveness would clearly be petitioning government. And Zuccotti Park while private property has been designated as 24 hour public use, that was the arrangement the owners made with the city, which they are probably regretting now.

  • gekster

    I guess you didn’t see I was being sarcastic.
    Look at it with your eyes squinted.

  • bonnman

    But those are largely left to the discretion of the courts. And while individuals might break laws while protesting, many OWS protesters have and have been arrested, but their actions don’t infringe my individual right to protest.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    ?the ?right to violate NYC health, public decency, sanitation, zoning, building, and public safety codes because you feel like it.? The First Amendment does not cover the right not to report a rape because it?ll make The Cause look bad. Defecating on police cars is not ?peaceful assembly.?

    All in all, the Occupiers are the ideological brethren of the Phelps clan: their entire operating methodology is to push our tolerance for dissenting opinions as far as it will go. Fortunately for the Republic, the Occupiers are also stupider than the Phelps clan, which has learned how to keep one eye on the law and the other on the crowd. I see no reason why we should coddle them.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    I reject your assertion that the illegal (in multiple ways) occupation of Zuccotti Park is fundamentally protected by the First Amendment. And I am not required to give the benefit of the doubt to a political movement that finds it useful to cover up rapes.

  • gekster

    Now pay attention. I will type this slowly.
    It is
    Occupy Wall Street.

    It is not
    Occupy City Hall,
    or
    Occupy Albany,
    or
    Occupy Washington District of Colombia.

    I can’t say it clearer than that.

  • calhoun211

    Student loan debt forgiveness is just a cute idea. The colleges won’t be hurt but the taxpayers will be. Obama when will it be time for taxpayer forgiveness, we can’t afford your Marxism any longer.

  • bonnman

    nt

  • bonnman

    and they are in a park located on K Street no doubt targeting lobbyists.

  • bk

    I think it’s more that you have a bunch of useless college-age kids who hear there’s lots of partying going on, and figure it’s better than sitting in their boring macroeconomic and polisci classes. I’d be willing to bet those are the ones expecting sex every night. Haven’t you seen some of the clips of interviews of these idiots?

  • bk

    We have a “free” press telling us non-stop that the Democratic leaders are doing the right thing in being imperialistic.

  • bk

    I mean, unless the hippie “protesters” really aren’t the peaceniks they claim to be.

  • Jack_Savage

    Having done quite a bit of camping in my life, sometimes in fairly low temperatures (accidentally), I am convinced that someone is going to die at OWS when the temps get bitter cold. Two or three days of temperatures much below freezing will not be survivable. I don’t mean uncomfortable, I mean not survivable.

    The equipment I saw there were cheap three season tents at best. That’s why all the clothing and sleeping bags are wet – the things just leak (I have been in monsoons for two days without a leak, so that part confused me before I went there). There is no provision for fires (they would not be allowed), the generators have been taken, and portable heaters inside tents are worthless (trust me on that one). The bags are on the concrete / granite, which gets cold and stays cold, thus the plea for cots.

    Someone will die, and then they will clean the place out. Probably not before then. The OWS guys will say it was a homeless person and they are not to blame, the cops will say they don’t care and everyone needs to leave, then it will be over.

  • tngal

    Apparently, this new attention getter was dreamed up last night. It involves going in occupying all candidates offices in Iowa from late December to January 3rd. Basically causing disruption. So right now they’re getting the word out.

    If they are really looking for confrontation, they may get it there. Its a pretty conservative bunch in that state. I’m not sure the Iowans will stand for much of their silliness. Especially if they start in with the pooping all over the place, raping, and drumming till all hours.

    Anyway, according to CNN, they have decided to name it the “First In the Nation Caucus Occupation”. This should be fun.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/31/first-on-cnn-occupy-des-moines-ctivists-to-propose-shutting-down-candidate-offices-during-iowa-caucuses/

  • melbedewy

    The homeless are surely part of the 99%-so send em’ ALL down to Zuccoli and the rest of the “Occupy” crowds.
    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch…

  • notpropagandized

    Having a hard time ginning up contempt for NewYorksFinest. Sounds like a good idea to me. If these people came and went like the TeaPartyFaithful made their point and returned to their daily business then the protest point, whatever it is, would be made without annoying everybody.

    I don’t wish death on socialists communists marxists leninists anarchists alinskyites ad nauseum, but other comforts to reward their misplaced disobedience should not be afforded. Cain and other were correct, they should be in WashingtonDC pleading with Shumer BFrank CDodd(retired) et al for reform.

  • reggie1

    …don’t force them to share space with OWSers.

    “if the cops are doing the above, they shouldn?t be, and they need to stop. Homeless people are still people”

  • uhangtight

    Cops having their jollies…

  • chub_in_carthage

    “Too much of what is called “education” is little more than an expensive isolation from reality.”
    Thomas Sowell

    I’ve seen some of them interviewed. ‘Tis a shame. They need to return to school and confront their “professors who fill them up with so much bilge

    .”There are few things more dishonorable than misleading the young.”
    Thomas Sowell

  • runner12

    On the one hand, the police sending the homeless to the park forces the OWS crowd to put their money where their mouth is. If they really care about the poor, here is their opportunity to show it.

    On the other hand, there is something that is distasteful to me about it and could end up increasing the already high level of crimes going on there. It is not just the OWS people who may be hurt, homeless people could be hurt by the OWS crowd as well. These people are not model citizens following the law up there. There is a good chance that some poor homeless person could be attacked by these people and/or an OWS person hurt as well.

    I am all for not giving these people the confrontation that they want, but at some point the law must be respected.

  • williamjameson

    secret service may not allow camping, they should seek the next closest location to be taken seriously. The OWS has no interest in calling out Obama to prosecute the wallstreet scumbags who orchestrated the mortgage paper scam. No serious investigation by Eric Holder, last I read Holder is pursuing civil court as a remedy. Many Americans want criminal investigations, Obama has sold us all out. Bush and his AG cleaned house after the Clinton crime wave on wallstreet.

  • williamjameson

    I didn’t consider the Phelps clan aka Westboro Baptist church before. Good analogy that should be thrown at them. Larouche Dems, Phelps and MSNBC lovers alike. Obama embraced their grievances so he owns them now.

    Its time to force city mayor’s hands on the health and crime issues even if it means suing the cities by asking a judge to order a city to enforce all laws being broken.

  • williamjameson

    because if you want to protest on the any location they pretend to occupy and you don’t want to be part of that group then your right to protest is infringed upon. The court house and city hall occupations are good examples. Hard to protest when you can’t walk or breathe the air without fear of a multitude of issues.

    Even harder if they disagree with your grievances and try to run you off as they have done with the media. Violent threats of bodily harm and risk of getting sick from whatever illnesses they have, being photographed by the FBI for being part of a subversive group etc…… Sure you could dissent elsewhere but gov locations are the best.

    Those punks are hogging all the good space, I’m sure liberals would say the same of the tea party and their attitudes would be far worse. Homeland Security would have written more fearmongering docs if the TP occupied any location but they are smarter, cleaner, respectful and more sophisticated

  • williamjameson

    They invited everyone plus as they’ve said “its a free country” and the homeless are equal.

  • williamjameson

    but we’re dealing with Obama voters and extremists so I don’t expect anything sophisticated nor intellectual. I do welcome them starting their own political party because once the dems decide they can’t control them, dems will beat down on them to flush out the loyal dem voters. After that they’ll look more like the G-8 rioters and the usual element out for crime and of course the media will then tell the whole story.

    FINCO’s like no rat finks shall rat us out.

  • bonnman

    particularly on the First Amendment, if that is what you mean by “beyond”

  • williamjameson

    states and cities beyond the constitution. For instance Mayor Bloomberg banned salt shakers and require restaurants to limit salt in food preparation. You have to ask for a salt shaker, that’s power beyond the constitution. As is the trans fat issue. In San Francisco companies were forced to offer insurance to gay lovers even though they are not married. The list goes on and on, thus far the courts have not overturned such ordinances and laws.

  • westcoastpatriette

    not Article 10. There are only seven Articles to the original Constitution and 27 Amendments.

    Sorry, I’m a Constitution buff.

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