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If this story is accurate, Herman Cain will not win Iowa.

By: Moe Lane (Diary)  |  November 5th, 2011 at 12:10 PM  | 

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[Update: I swear that I was going to leave this in diaries - but, given the agitation that it's sparked on my other site, I'm thinking that it really needs to be fronted after all. - ML]

(HT: Hot Air Headlines) Herman Cain will not even come close to winning Iowa. This is the takeaway passage from the article that Team Cain needs to read and address right now.

Cain last visited Iowa on Oct. 22, and Tuel said the next time he expects the candidate back in the state is Nov. 19. Tuel also noted that plans are in the works for an early December bus tour through the state, much like the one Cain took ahead of the August Ames Straw Poll. Campaign sources said the tour might include a “mega town hall meeting,” with thousands in attendance.

During a lunchtime visit this week to Cain’s headquarters, located in a shopping center in the Des Moines suburb of Urbandale, reporters from ABC News found about a dozen volunteers telephoning potential supporters, many of them older Iowans. When ABC returned in the evening — a time when local campaign offices would usually be packed with an after-work crowd — only two volunteers remained in the office. They said that others were at home making placards for Friday night’s Iowa Republican Party Dinner, which Cain does not plan to attend.

ABC News visited the same campaign headquarters last month and found the office quiet and empty.

That passage represents a kindly ABC News writer/editor team – yes, they do exist – coming as close as they dare to frantically waving off the campaign while screaming “DANGER! DANGER, HERMAN CAIN!” Because you can talk about national campaigns and moneybombs and heck, even polling all you like: but if you’re not currently being forced to squeeze volunteers into your campaign offices any which way then you’re doing it wrong.

Let me explain. In 2004, Howard Dean had money. Howard Dean had polls. Howard Dean had a national campaign going. What Howard Dean did not have was a functional Iowa organization designed to bring people to the precinct polling stations and keep them there for up to two hours, which is why he came in third place. And to forestall the immediate objection: in 2003 Dean supporters were more than happy to explain why the lack of a ground organization didn’t matter, too. Up to the the moment where Dean lost.

Free advice for Team Cain: in that article Cain’s Iowa campaign manager says “Of course Mr. Cain cannot move to Iowa any more than he can move to New Hampshire or South Carolina, and he’s got a busy schedule.” I suggest that they convince the candidate to abandon that Of course and get him to Iowa for the next two months. Because if Cain loses Iowa at this point it is going to have an impact infinitely worse than if he had never been expected to win Iowa in the first place.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

PS: What? Oh, yes, the system is absurd. Particularly the expectations that Iowan voters have with regard to Presidential candidates.

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  • clintonformccain

    Herman Cain is The One.

  • acat

    Didn’t she also “not need a ground game” because “her supporters will come together spontaneously” ?

    Mew

  • Xasteius

    At least given his/her posting record.

  • acat

    Let’s hope so.

    Mew

  • redmymind

    That said, good point!

  • paulplantowin

    Thx for the insights. I will have to take your word for it that Iowa and other early states require massive money and organization (no sarcasm – i really did not/do not know these ins and outs of primaries)
    But if true I begin to see WHY the RINO’s and establishment types get to pick our candidates. They control the big donors and the expertise, the endorsements, etc.
    This seems to me to make it virtually impossible for a conservative ‘outsider’ like Palin or Cain or ANYONE to upset the RINO applecart.
    Wow – doom.
    Please tell me I am wrong on this. Dole – McCain – Romney as far as the eye can see? No hope for conservative outsider? Ever?

  • jakeofalltrades

    He compared him to Obama for crying out loud.

    You must be tired, acat. Cats are the kings of the sarcasm jungle.

  • jakeofalltrades

    His name is Marco Rubio.

  • acat

    When he lost in 1976 (to Gerald Ford, who lost to Jimmy Carter…) Reagan kept running. He wrote editorials, he gave speeches and lectures, he kept his name in the news so when 1980 rolled around, he was the presumptive conservative nominee.

    The 1980 election is notable, by the way, because there were far more RINOs than Conservatives in the mix .. unlike 2012 (and 2008 and 2000 etc.) when the RINOs consolidate early and the conservatives are defeated in packets.

    There are parallels to Palin, who has stayed in the news but who decided not to run.

    There are parallels to Romney, who never stopped campaigning after 2008 and who entered 2012 as the presumptive front runner.

    Yes, Rubio looks good. So do Pence and Jindal and several others. We (Conservatives) have a very good bench, for a change.

    Mew

  • lucasblack

    Mike Huckabee won Iowa last time. He could have won South Carolina as well, but Lazy Fred Thompson was splitting the vote with him. And Reagan was a conservative outsider at the time he won.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Actually, what I want is two Senate terms and a stint at FL-GOV from Rubio, but people snarl at me when I suggest that they have to wait until at least 2026. :)

  • Scope

    the leftists have to get it out there now that he isn’t qualified to be president because he isn’t a natural born citizen. I was was unaware that he was created in a lab, rather than born in a hospital in Miami.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Fate requires a path to getting there, and there’s no being Reagan without executive experience.

  • jakeofalltrades

    of a presidential candidate’s eligibility as a natural-born citizen, so anything they’ve said on that subject is non-binding dicta. Don’t believe anyone who says there’s precedent – there isn’t.

    However, if we’re going with the strict interpretation of natural born (both parents must be citizens at time of birth), then Obama wasn’t eligible either, even though he was born in Hawaii.

    Can you imagine the Supreme Court saying Obama was not eligible? They would NEVER do that. They’ll just go with “born in the USA” as the definition.

    So, Rubio’s eligible, because Obama is.

  • jakeofalltrades

    that “natural” in “natural born” means nothing, well, so does of freedom of the press, since everything they can do is summed up in the freedom of speech.

    Not everything in the Constitution actually means something, but it’s rare.

  • jakeofalltrades

    so true.

  • Scope

    When the Rubio eligibility question originally came up a few months ago, I tried my best to research the deal. I came to the same conclusion in that the SC never did answer that specific question, but has only touched on citizenship issues with respect to government benefit eligibility? I think that’s one of the cases I read about.

    I remember reading some long convoluted explanation that at the time of Rubio’s parents births in Cuba, in the 40′s, that Cuba was still a US protectorate, and that Cuba fought along side the US in some battle, which afforded the Rubio’s a dual citizenship. Don’t know if that’s true.

    I also agree that with Obama as the president, with a father that was not a US citizen, the issue would be moot in Rubio’s case.

  • onemovoter

    I’ve seen other posts and pretty sure they are a Perry supporter.. but using an Obama reference just ensures the thick layer of irony.

  • Tbone

    It is time for candidate like Cain to stand up and declare the Iowa corn hicks non-important right along with those granite heads in NH and the gap toothed hillbillies in South Carolina.

    The best way to do that is to have virtually no ground game in any of the three. Cain’s political instincts are unassailable and his top level mangers are seasoned and wily.

    Just watch as Herman destroys that pseudo-intellectual and bottomless vessel of world knowledge and government affairs Newt Gingrich. I bet Cain has Newt stuttering and blubbering in no time.

    We need a President who has absolutely no fear in making a fool of himself and Cain is just the guy to do it.

  • Scope

    This wins the post of the day, and then some.

  • paulplantowin

    now that’s a comment I can understand. I wondered if Iowa (and other early states) have this whole thing so rigged that no outsider need apply.
    (I have observed you to be basically anti-Cain, so I get the heavy sarc)
    Sarc aside – something needs to happen, from a perspective like mine, to blow up the Iowa scam (as it seems to me).
    From the earlier ‘straw poll’ mess that seems like a month long fund raiser for iowa GOP more than a primary for America to get a look at the line-up, to this whole “you better bring mega-bucks if you want Iowa” deal now – I say
    #@^&%*# Iowa!
    By the way – Rubio does look good – so far. But what will he look like after 8 years or so ‘inside the beltway’ ?

  • avagreen

    ^^

  • paulplantowin

    The current system has given us:
    Bush senior – of ‘voodoo economics’ and ‘read my lips’ fame.
    (which led to Clinton)
    Then we got Dole (more of Clinton)
    Then we got ‘compassionate conservatism’ George W with all the joy that brought us ‘uncompassionate conservatives” (sarc). I especially liked No Child Left Behind – I won’t go on.
    This mess led to McCain – are you f’ing kidding me?
    So – McCain inspired apathy gave us Baraq Obama!
    So – bottom line for used up conservatives – getting a little sick of this whole ‘experienced politician’ that can get the GOP nod swindle.
    So – a big re-shuffle seems no worse than what I’ve been gettin’ for 25 years.

  • streiff

    If the silliness being inflicted upon Rubio is true then Romney isn’t a natural born citizen either.

    Though Mitt was born in the US his father was born in Mexico to a naturalized Mexican citizen.

  • paladin1

    then the theory that Cain is just a Romney shill to help damage and disperse the Perry vote gains more credence. I had actually thought there was probably not much to that theory but this story, coupled with Cain’s vitriolic, unfounded, persistent attacks on Perry regarding the sexual harrassment scandal story, and his lack of attacks on Romney cause me to reconsider.

    That, or he is just a deluded publicity seeker trying to sell a book. Either way he is a loser in the political arena.

  • llorta

    This assumes Cain is a conventional candidate, running a conventional campaign. He is neither, which is why the usual rules do not apply to him.

    Take the first aspect – he is an unconventional candidate, because unlike the rest, he isn’t a politician.

    Well, OK, sure, Cain has RUN for office in the past, he’s just never managed to WIN an elected office in the past, much less a primary.

    But you see, this is what makes Cain so refreshing and different from the rest – all of the other candidates have actually managed to win a race or two before. But this is an unusual year. If you want to win, you must get behind the proven loser.

    Cain has aspired to higher office for more than a decade, but hasn’t won anything, which just goes to show that this is his year. How can you not see that?

    Iowa craves a Washington DC outsider, which is why I support Cain the DC lobbyist, and you should, too.

  • Tbone

    only excludes those born by C section.

  • Xasteius

    Sorry if I seem a bit jumpy, but you have no posting history.

    In either case, welcome to Redstate!

  • bzip

    I thought for sure we already had a big enough clown in the white house – guess we have to try and put even bigger clown in the white house than what we currently have.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    This comment… I bow to it.

  • onemovoter

    from a week ago when Cain had a whole FOUR paid staffers there.

    http://theothermccain.com/2011/10/23/the-cain-campaign-in-iowa/

    watch the video… it was posted on Oct 23, a whole 10 days ago.

    Also of note, a poll was posted where Perry was at 7% and now is polling at double about 14%. hhmmmm…. ground game anyone?

  • Scope

    “But this is an unusual year. If you want to win, you must get behind the proven loser.” THIS!

  • serpounce

    I’m no expert on the political ground game, but don’t poorer campaigns often “skip” Iowa exactly because it’s so expensive to compete there? Cain has surged, but he doesn’t have anywhere near the money that Romney and Perry have.

    Personally I see this three way race stretching out into some of the later primaries after the the first three states split with Iowa going to Perry, NH to Romney, and SC to Cain. If that’s right Cain might be better off saving money for super tuesday instead of blowing it for another point or two in Iowa.

  • circlegranch

    with Smoking Gun as his hit man, sent forth to read prepared answers to prepared questions given to him in advance by Fox hosts, with the encouraging knowledge that his wife is a big influence on him and she votes Democrat rather frequently, what could go wrong with a campaign like that?

  • bzip

    “Let Herman be Herman”

    His Lying,
    his gaffes,
    his abortion flaps,
    his TARP flaps,
    his GITMO Flaps,
    his Fed Audit Flaps,
    his China Flaps,
    his Foreign Policy flaps,
    his 2nd amendment Flaps,
    his flip-flopping flaps,
    oh when does it all end….

    Well Herman can be Herman – its a tough job but someone has to do it :-) .

    I keep asking – why are we suppose to support this fellow who can’t even keep his story straight on his sexual harassment allegations.

  • thirstyboots

    I was skeptic, but after this prediction it’s a given.

    Also, here’s a RCP article on Cain’s campaign in Iowa with a slightly different point of view:

    “But Cain?s campaign is attempting to rewrite the rules for how to
    wage a winning campaign by relying on a team of committed volunteers, rather than paid professionals, to do most of the grunt work, while the candidate himself leaves a light footprint in the early voting states.

    ?I?ve been in a lot of campaigns and I can tell you I?ve not been in a campaign that is so volunteer-driven as this one,? said Steve Grubbs, a former Iowa GOP chairman and longtime presidential campaign veteran, who signed on to lead Cain?s Iowa effort earlier this month. ?The only job for the paid staffers is to use their time to leverage volunteers. So if one staffer mobilizes 50 volunteers a day, you get hundreds of volunteer hours per staffer. That?s the model, and it only works if you have this group of deeply passionate people for the candidate and the campaign.?
    (…)
    Darla Phillips, 59, had also never worked on a campaign before she started volunteering for Cain last week.

    ?He?s not got all of the funds that other candidates have, so I just figure he can use all the volunteers he can get,? she said.

    Another volunteer, who declined to provide his name, said that he saw parallels between Cain?s current standing and the buzz that surrounded the under-funded, under-organized Mike Huckabee in 2007, for whom this man volunteered. The former Arkansas governor pulled off a win in the Iowa caucuses four years ago.”

    As for the paid staffers, I think he has 4 of them now. That’s exactly the same number Huckabee had at this point four years ago. Enthusiasm from supporters wins Iowa caucuses, not money to spend. Huckabee and Romney proved that 4 years ago.

  • clintonformccain

    I am a supporter of the Republicans nominating a serious, credible, experienced candidate, who passes the Commander-in-Chief threshold, and will beat the pants of Obama in November 2012. I don’t really have a dog in the hunt, other than wanting a strong candidate. None of them are going to be exactly my cup of tea.

    I think Perry is a potential player because he has 10 years of experience as an effective governor of a large state. I think Romeny is player because of his campaign experience and all-things-to-all-people ability to attract independents. I’m not sure which would be the strongest opponent for Obama, yet. I am sure that it’s not Herman Cain, who I view as a joke candidate.

  • thirstyboots

    It’s a small, cheap, media-market and both advertising and paid staff offer huge diminishing returns due to the nature of the caucuses and the republican electorate there. Ask Hillary or Romney. You need ground game, but you don’t need the money or the “organization”: you need committed supporters.

    If I had to guess, I’d say that Cain, Gingrich and Romney will fight for the victory in Iowa.

  • septembergurl

    place — in 2008, Obama and Huckabee won the caucuses though neither had much money. They had enthusiastic volunteers -Huck had homeschoolers and evangelicals, Obama had college students and labor union thugs.

    It’s hard to poll a caucus because it’s so uncertain who will show up. Also, the voting in Iowa has a unique feature, after the vote is taken the lower vote-getters then attach themselves to the supporters of another candidate ho got more votes. In other words it’s fluid and there are dynamics that don’t come into play when you simply enter the voting booth.

    My guess is it will be Gingrich – Perry or Perry-Gingrich, with Mittens coming in third. The only one who could push Mitt into fourth (which would be very damaging) would be Ron Paul, though he isn’t running strongly now. I don’t see bachmann, Santorum or Cain as factors, though that could change.

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  • Scope

    and Block be Block. They are showing every current and future candidate how not to run a campaign for the pres-a-dency.

  • wbb1950

    By 2016 it will be too late. Having a good bench is no help if they never take the field until after the game is over. Here are the stakes:

    http://www.youtube.com/v/LdTyUvY66Mw?version=3

  • Scope

    for ads etc. in Iowa. Every early race after Iowa gets more and more expensive, leading up to Fla. which is very expensive. If Cain is not willing to use his new found wealth in Iowa, he has little to no chance there. He may think that his charm and wit are enough to bring out the Iowa voters in his favor, but, he hasn’t spent very much money, or time in Iowa. It is a sad reality that the Iowans want to meet and shake hands with all of the candidates, and the GOP uses the presidential primaries as a fundraising tool. The reality still is that if a candidate ignores Iowa, as Cain has done, he has little chance of winning there.

  • unitedwestand

    Anyone watching the debate on C-Span?

  • Xasteius

    nt

  • boonerdan

    You mean there is “another” debate? I am waiting for the GOP to hold their next “debate” on The View.

  • serpounce

    I guess I was thinking that personnel would be the big expense, and Iowans expect more face to face interactions with staff, but if adds and other mass contact systems are the greatest expense then it makes sense that Iowa is cheaper.

    Personally I don’t like 9-9-9, and don’t think Cain has enough foreign policy experience/knowledge, but I like the guy and hate to see get the “he’s an amateur that isn’t serious because he hasn’t paid his dues to the perenial, bi-partisan professional electioneers.”

    I’d like to think that a guy doesn’t have to pay the big bucks to the James Carville/ Carl Rove types to get elected, but that’s probably just naive.

  • Scope

    for starters. It is very naive to think that any Republican has to bow at the altar of Carville, he is a liberal after all.

    Cain’s problem isn’t that he hasn’t paid his dues to the professional electioneers. Cain’s problem is that he lacks almost every qualification that a majority of voters want to see in a presidential candidate, starting with an ability to articulate your own positions on the issues. It’s that simple. I wonder if Cain is running for head clown at Barnums and Bailey, or head waiter at the Last Supper.

  • malachi45

    terms in politics. It has now become shorthand for any Republican I don’t like. Often, it is used by people who support candidates that aren’t even technically the most conservative ones running. It really is becoming a useless term. And interestingly enough, I often see it used by independents or people who vote third party. RINO means Republican in name only, not conservative in name only. That means you really can’t honestly call people like McCain and Dole RINOs because they vote/voted with the Republican majorities most of the time. In this current presidential race, the only one who could even arguably be considered a “RINO” is Romney. And even he is probably not a RINO. He’s more liberal than I prefer and has flip flopped on some things, but a RINO? Not really. All the others have long track records of supporting Republicans and voting with Republicans.

    So please, stop calling everyone but your anointed candidate a RINO. It’s just not so.

    The same goes for “establishment” . Establishment seems to mean anyone who has been electorally successful. Herman Cain lost his 2004 Senate race. Sarah Palin quit her job as governor. Michelle Bachman has repeatedly won re-election. John Huntsman was a successful governor. Rick Perry has been a successful governor re-elected numerous times. That doesn’t mean the former are virtuous and the latter corrupt.

    Support your guy, but please stop the melodrama of -my guy stands for the people and everyone else is a character straight from Boardwalk Empire.

    It’s really getting old.

  • goformitt

    I thought the big news out of the dinner was how well Newt did. He stole the show from what I can tell. And its a big show to steal – everybody whose anybody is there.

    I think we’ll be seeing more about Newt this week. Maybe lots more.

    Perry is up in the Iowa polls – but he’s flooding the airwaves with ads. He flopped at the dinner.

    By the way, if you didn’t see the Perry skit on Sat Night Live tonight you missed a classic. Not quiet Palin, but close. Hilarious.

    But Mitt is still going to win in Iowa. Folks at the caucuses will be split between Perry / Gingrich / Cain and Paul. After the first round Romney will be their second choice.

  • nathanalbright

    The fact that your post contained a lot of Perry bashing suggests that you are more concerned about Perry than about Newt. And if the people there are anything like here, a lot of them won’t have Mittens as their second or third or even fourth choice.

  • gekster

    They did the last time.

  • vaaztx

    as he was born in Panama not the United States.

    Over-interpreting stuff makes you silly.

  • goformitt

    I’m not really worried about anything in the conventional political sense. But Perry comes off as pre-packaged. He’s like all hat and no cattle. He just doesn’t seem to have anything genuine about him.

    And seriously, watch that SNL skit if you get a chance. They nailed it.

    If I worry about anything, I worry about the #OWS movement. I think it has the potential to become the most serious, global socially disruptive force in our lifetime.

  • goformitt

    I opened a twitter account, did a search for Wall Street. 30 minutes later I’m following 240 – all #occupy accounts – from NYC to New Zealand to Mumbai. Millions of people, globally united behind a single cause. Never have we seen anything like it. The power there is unimaginable.

    And …

    From Twitter:

    OccupyAirForce Air Force anonymous
    by OccupyArmy
    If you’re active duty military you CAN protest. Just can’t say you represent the military or DoD, and can’t be in uniform

  • izoneguy

    And well past his expiration date.

    I don’t worry about OWS – push comes to shove – the
    people will take care of the OWS punks if the cops won’t.

  • usedtobelib

    on C-SPAN. He passed a couple of question to Newt and he got all mixed up on Medicare.

  • gekster

    It’s about Herb.
    There are enough OWS threads around that you don’t have to threadjack this one.

  • Xasteius

    2 cups flour
    1/3 cup oil
    2/3 cup milk
    1 tsp baking powder
    1 tsp salt or sugar (optional)

    stir dry ingredients together, then add wet ingredients. Stir well, then knead together (do not knead too much). Cut into biscuits. Place on ungreased baking sheet. Preheat oven to 450 degrees, insert biscuits, and cook for 10-15 minutes, turning the biscuits as needed.

  • pttx333

    nt

  • acat

    …

  • gekster

    Never was good at biscuits though, but I keep trying.
    The last time I tried biscutis, I wound up painting them black and sold them to the local hockey team.
    I think they’re still useing them.

  • acat

    prefer a candidate with experience of being a candidate.

    Newt is in his element in debate. Cain is in his behind a microphone. Both skills are useful, but to imagine either is sufficient is silliness.

    Mew

  • jrmax13

    This is ridiculous. First gekster and Xas are posting recipes trying to block newcomers. Then turn on “Formitt” saying to get off the thread it is for HERM ! If the bandwidth wasters want to post recipes they could easily go over to Lucianne’s “Connection.” If they don’t agree with even one policy stance they call “trolls” and Hines rule b.s. The Perry Bullies is what this section should be entitled. Why do you let these people direct this portion of RS ?

  • goformitt

    Spoken with all the confidence of a Middle Eastern dictator … :-)

    (Sorry, I’ll let this thread return ti it’s regularly scheduled programming now )

  • gekster

    Oregano-Balsamic Grilled Pork

    MARINADE/DRESSING
    1/2 cup cooking oil
    1/4 cup balsamic vinegar
    2 teaspoons dried oregano leaves, crushed
    2 garlic cloves, minced
    1/2 teaspoon salt
    1/4 teaspoon black pepper

    GRILLED PORK
    4 (4-ounce) boneless center-cut loin pork chops, trimmed
    Cooking Spray
    1?4 teaspoon salt
    Pepper to taste

    first
    Combine all marinade ingredients in a small bowl, stirring well with a whisk.

    second
    Place the pork in a large zip-top plastic bag, add 1/3 cup of the marinade, and seal. Refrigerate remaining marinade for later use. Toss bag gently to coat. Refrigerate overnight or at least 8 hours,
    turning occasionally.

    third
    Coat a grill pan or grill rack with cooking spray, and place over medium-high heat. Remove pork from marinade; discard marinade. Grill pork 4 minutes on each side or until barely pink in center.
    Remove from heat, and let stand 5 minutes. Sprinkle pork with 1/8 teaspoon salt and pepper to taste.

  • Menlo

    Don’t you need a solid fat like butter, shortening, or lard (if anyone still uses that) to get a good taste and texture?

  • Xasteius

    Feel free to experiment.

  • paladin1

    information and direction from Saturday Night Live fully lives up to my thoughts that only property owners and the literate should be allowed to vote. That excludes most of #OWS and you.

  • jrmax13

    goformitt, that might be quite a clip to catch on youtube. I am sure someone will post it up there before long.
    Rick Perry / Marcus Bachmann 2012!

  • gekster

    2 tablespoon honey or butterscotch flavored sundae syrup
    1/4 cup fat free milk
    1 cup hot, regular coffee
    1-16 oz. drinking glass of ice

    Pour milk into a full glass of ice
    Next, add coffee and mix
    Last drizzle honey or flavored syrup on top of iced coffee

  • jrmax13

    Cain and Gingrich seem to make a good match. Apparently, they have been quite good friends for years. Newt can certainly vouch for his experience in government as well as academia, business, non-profits, non-fiction books, as well as novels.
    Newt Gingrich/Nikki Haley 2012!

  • swamphermit

    …professional politicians are the problem. Perhaps that is why most of RS never understood Sarah, the Tea Party, and/or Cain.

  • jrmax13

    If we are not careful as a party we may end up with some atrocity like:

    Rick Perry/James Traficant 2012 !

  • usa1776usa

    All fire has been pointed at Perry by both Cain and Romney…the end result will be a split vote with Romney winning. Even Bachman has gone easy on Romney and hard on Perry. It appears the left, RINOs, and the Washington Establishment/Elites are most afraid of Perry. More reasons to vote Perry…

  • bzip

    Cain clearly shows he is without substance. In a debate format such is this, Cain with fail since he has no substance BUT Perry will shine. It appears a number of media sites feel the same:

    A nondebate between Cain and Gingrich
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-1106-tea-party-debate-20111106,0,5771607.story

    ?Cain seemed ill at ease; he deferred frequently to Gingrich on complex aspects of federal programs. When one of the two moderators, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), asked about defined benefits, Cain gave a halting answer. “A defined…. You go first, Newt.”

  • bzip

    TRENDING: Cain scolds reporters: ‘End of story’ to sexual harassment claims
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/06/trending-cain-scolds-reporters-end-of-story-to-sexual-harassment-claims/

    Cain Spars With Reporters Over Questions on Sexual Harassment Claims
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/cain-spars-with-reporters-over-questions-on-sexual-harassment-claims/

  • supergirl2911

    nt

  • bzip

    Cain’s favorability drops after accusations: poll

    “The most striking thing is that Herman Cain is actually seeing a fairly substantial decline in favorability ratings toward him particularly among Republicans,” said Ipsos pollster Chris Jackson.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/cains-favorability-drops-sex-accusations-poll-051227162.html

  • btpull

    According to this poll Cain’s favorability rating is still 10% higher than Perry’s after the drop.

  • bzip

    Just wait for the news of Cain to sink in and the story will most likely continue for Cain sexual harassment allegations .

    For Perry he most likely has hit bottom and can only go up but Cain is on a slow road to the bottom feeders

    I am also sure Cain’s lousy and non-substance debate performance last night against Newt sure isn’t going to help him either.

  • Xasteius

    1234

  • jakeofalltrades

    “Woe to you lawyers.”

  • jakeofalltrades

    We all saw Obama’s moobs and – critically – belly button – flapping in the breeze in that David Hasselhoff-style photo, so I guess he’s eligible by that definition as well.

  • jakeofalltrades

    n/t

  • jakeofalltrades

    Means Republican with non-conservative record.

    That covers, most prominently, John “What 1st Amendment?” McRino, as well as Willard “Flip-Flop” McRomneycare.

    Which is no insult to RINO’s – we need seat warmers in places where no conservative can get elected.

    This does not apply to the presidency. When Republicans run conservatives, we win. When we run RINOs, we lose, with the only exception being Bush I, who rode the coattails of the great American demigod, Reagan, whose wisdom and truth we hold sacred, amen. And he did not win re-election, by the way.

    The real definition of “establishment” is whatever forces on the right attempt to spoil the nomination in favor of a RINO.

  • Adjoran

    he is “Moe-Moed”?

    Cain isn’t running a serious campaign, but some of his supporters are deadly serious. Notice their approach to the scandal talk:

    Vilify the press for reporting it.
    Insist all Republicans fall in line behind Cain.
    Smear the women as golddiggers or even prostitutes.

    Sound familiar? Like the Clinton Smear Machine with all those great dance hits in the ’90s?

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    to win the caucuses, because you need to make sure those enthusiastic supporters show up. Mitt lacks in enthusiasm but is strong in organization. So that doesn’t make him a hands on favorite to win Iowa. If Cain and Perry falter and with Bachmann in the race there is a path to victory for Mitt in Iowa.

  • jqcjones

    according to real clear politics today… Cain leads by 15 points now over Doofus, Romney. 30% to 15%. Gasp! I have never seen so many morons in one place… wait, that’s not entirely true…The Huffington Post notwithstanding..

    http://escapetyranny.com/2011/11/06/backfire-cain-now-leads-by-15-points-in-iowa/

  • malachi45

    should use the term Conservative in Name Only (CINO), because the republican Party has always had a a range of ideology and not solidly conservative. And, as I said, the term is often used as nothing more than a way to attack a candidate you don’t support. I see a lot of Cain supporters using the term RINO to attack other candidates; candidates that aren’t any less conservative than Cain is. The same applies to “establishment”. The establishment are those villainous “elites” who oppose YOUR candidate.

    What’s sad is that there really is an Republican establishment and there really are RINOs, but the terms have been so badly abused that they are borderline useless now to any fair thinking person. BTW, what you call a politician who signed tax increases, a law liberalizing abortion, and an amnesty law? I think you called him a “demigod”. Now he would be called a RINO.

  • rickperryreport

    …if Cain’s numbers don’t fall like a rock. This poll here doesn’t make sense at all.

    But then again, I asked my Cain-liking wife how she felt about the sex scandal. She didn’t even know anything about it. She only watches “The 70s Show.”

    I’m for Perry, I like Newt too.

    I really, really dislike Cain. In fact, I think I hate him as much as Doc Holliday hated Johnny Ringo.

  • pttx333

    not convinced it is accurate either. Take heart, though, as I believe that Cain’s support will dwindle as time goes by and folks learn more about him, We still have a way to go. Romney will remain at his standard 23% or so, and that leaves who? Rick Perry – our guy – the one who has the creds, the moxie and the courage to take apart that which CAN be taken apart in D.C. I have supported him for years and will remain throughout the duration as his supporter. And I’m not the only one. If nothing else, we Perry supporters are loyal!

  • pttx333

    it pretty much lays out for everyone just who Rick Perry is and what he is about. It is in a Dallas newspaper and pretty much fair EXCEPT the author refers to the Perrys’ “family hunting lodge” AND that damned rock! That was done on purpose! They never ever had a family hunting lodge, they had a deer lease, for heaven’s sake! Read it, though, because his parents are just like everyone I ever knew growing up in West Texas (my folks included), and it means a lot to me to read about them. What precious, wonderful people!

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/perry-watch/headlines/20111105-rick-perrys-parents-say-their-son-is-strong-medicine-needed-by-a-sickly-nation.ece

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and global warming [sitting with Pelosi].

    Also,he’s a globalist…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jWPz1Qdq1uI
    …and his CPAC speech…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KBPiKS…
    …should serve as a model for his agenda.

    Yet, the former demonstrates his RINO-roots from the 1970′s and the latter demonstrates his desire to supplant the current system WITH ANOTHER system.
    He is an elitist/statist, based on his voting record and his assertions.

  • pttx333

    in all his glory. I’ve been around a long time, and Newt never has been and never will be my choice for anything. He isn’t trustworthy, and that about sums up my feelings for the man.

  • circlegranch

    and as pttx333 points out, if you want to understand the background of Rick Perry, if you need to examine his heart and how he feels about America, the apple didn”t fall from the tree. At age 86, his daddy is still ranchin’ and raisin’ cattle and his momma quilts and I’d bet is a darned good cook. Take 3 min out of your blogging life today and click here or above and read this story. I hope God blesses the Perry family on this difficult but important journey.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/perry-watch/headlines/20111105-rick-perrys-parents-say-their-son-is-strong-medicine

  • pttx333

    reading it earlier and have it bookmarked. It so reminds me of my upbringing out in that part of Texas and the wonderful people who live there. If only I could go back and relive them once again. And you can better bet that Amelia is a good cook – that is written in stone. That is what the ladies did – cooked for the men when they were neighboring. (Okay, you city dudes, ask me what “:neighboring” is! ;-) )

    Thanks for reading it, circle – I’m just a’hankerin’ for everyone to read it!

  • circlegranch

    at every web news site and blog we can. Have you joined Smart Girl Politics? www.smartgirlpolitics.ning.com Its a great forum often visited by Liz Cheney and the like. They have a number of groups you can easily join and you can blog all day long at the main page or specifically at your groups.

    Yep, ranch women and men like the Perry’s know what hard work is, they raise their kids right and a very few, like Ray and Amelia, get to see their son become President of the United States.

    “Neighborin’ in my neck of the woods didn’t just mean visitin’. It also meant helping fix fence, bale hay or bring in the crop. If a tornado took out a man’s barn, the neighbors came and helped raise a new one and the women cooked and fed the crew. Our friends in NYC and elsewhere that conduct polls and write influential articles and have a national microphone everyday from which they drive the results of elections probably have never heard of such a life. There’s something about making your living off the land and being at the mercy of God and His weather for your survival that teaches a person humility of a sort you can’t get anywhere else. People raised in that vein know how to respect their fellow man because they know when hard times come, they’ll need that man as a friend. A simple upbringing is very unpopular these days but I’ll take a president that knows how to pull a calf and plant seed in the dust with a faith in the Lord that it’ll rain 5 minutes before its too late any day. My daddy always used to say, “No matter what, never forget where you came from.” Rick Perry remembers where he came from and he’ll be a remarkable President.

  • pttx333

    Though I never had the pleasure of living in the country, I had family who did and many friends whose families ranched. I’ve been involved with the ladies and the cooking while the men would brand, cut or dip cattle, round up the livestock to move to another pasture, or whatever needed to be done, and it was heaven on earth. After the work was done and everyone was fed, then the visitin’ part happened. What fun it was!

    Yes, there are those who think we are just dumb hicks – well, I have the perfect comment: “Thank ya.” I’ll accept that moniker any old day over the so-called “elite” titles. And when someone refers to Rick Perry as a dumb, swaggering cowboy, I just laugh to myself – they are in for a ride they won’t soon forget. Right? And the “all hat and no cattle” thing is wearing mighty thin with me! That particular phrase refers to a drugstore cowboy wannabe, and that is NOT Rick Perry.

    I’ve not heard of Smart Girl Politics, but you can bet I will be checking into their site. I adore Liz Cheney, too. Thanks for the info, circle.

  • pttx333

    YES, I would love to spread the word about Ray and Amelia – in fact, they need to have an ad featuring those sweet people. I LOVED it when Amelia stood up in church (TWICE) to correct the pastor. Isn’t that a hoot? I’ll do my part on this end, circle. Have already forwarded to email friends and included the explanation about the ignorant author’s reference to the rock and the “family hunting lodge.”

    Oh, did you see the Houston rag’s hit piece? They do them regularly. This is KBH whining about Perry being “brutal” to her during the last Governor’s race. Good Lord above, after the horrible smears on Perry that she and her cohorts threw out? Never did like that woman and sure don’t now. She LOST and can’t get past the bitter taste in her mouth!

  • pttx333

    it is:

    http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/11/kay-bailey-hutchison-says-rick-perry-was-very-brutal-to-her-two-years-ago-and-shes-not-retreating-from-her-criticism-of-him/

  • Finrod

    Comparing the Insider Advantage poll of 11/3 to their poll of 10/16:

    Cain 30 (+4)
    Romney 15 (-3)
    Gingrich 12 (0)
    Paul 9 (-1)
    Bachmann 8 (-3)
    Perry 6 (0)
    Huntsman 2 (+1)

    So that’s Cain gaining ground and everyone else that has a chance dropping or staying even.

  • Finrod

    Meanwhile Perry is in 6th place in Iowa. Good luck with that.

    Those of us that support Cain will welcome your support when Perry drops out after the South Carolina primary, even with all the nasty things Perry supporters have been saying about Cain.

  • gekster

    Got a few examples.

  • 1bunny

    that I like is one done by CNN on Rick Perry’s faith journey. Even though it is CNN I thought it was a well done article on Perry and his faith with only a few digs. Check it out and see if it might be one to send along with the parent article. I will also do my best to spread the word using upbeat informative articles on Rick Perry.

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/05/rick-perrys-long-faith-journey-culminates-in-presidential-run/?hpt=hp_c1

  • Vaughn Harold

    n/t/

  • circlegranch

    I’m finding myself watching them quite frequently. I will check out this article you refer here, posthaste.

  • rickperryreport

    “The only one I cannot support 100% is Rick Perry.”

    Herman Cain sort of endeared me to him with that comment, ya know?