North Carolinian Nathan Shafer arrested for threatening life of Gov. Nikki Haley (R, SC)…


…but the white guy insists that it’s not a big deal that he publicly posted a promise to murder an Indian-American female governor if nobody else does.

“I hope someone murders you before I do,” Shafer said he commented on the post. “How’s that for freedom of speech?”

(H/T: Verum Serum) Well… not to editorialize here or anything, but since Nathan Shafer asked: it’s [a] pretty darn awful example of ‘freedom of speech.’

Shafer may avoid prosecution nonetheless: as the above article notes, back in July the Ninth Circus Circuit ruled that expressing a hope that Barack Obama be shot in the head with a .50 caliber weapon* did not actually qualify as a threat. Then again, he may not: Walter Bagdasarian (the one who wrote that ‘hope,’ along with a racial epithet) did not quite actually explicitly promise to kill his target if nobody else did – something that Shafer did himself.

More to the point: I suggest that Nathan Shafer (not to mention those people who are as messed-up inside as he is) starts taking this situation more seriously. I understand that from the hardcore progressive/Occupier point of view there’s nothing wrong with treating obvious race traitors like Governor Haley roughly, but out here in the civilized world we have this odd belief that minorities are actually allowed to not be Democrats. I can see how this would be frustrating to certain people, but frustration is only indulged in our political process up to a certain level. Note: ‘understand’ and ‘see,’ not ‘sympathize.’ I find the Shafers and Bagdasarians of the world equally reprehensible, and I have no issue with their lack of self-control being subject to vigorous a karmic backlash.

We will now pause while various apologists frantically look for more individuals for me to denounce, or other situations for me to comment on, or whatever else it is that they come up with to ignore the fact that they’re frantically trying to find a way to be apologists for a guy who indicated a desire to murder a wife and mother of two.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

*The defendant happened to own .50 caliber weapons. That, coupled with the original threat, probably made an arrest inevitable, right there.


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Shafer only hoped for her murder, it's not like he put a

throwback59 Friday, November 25th at 9:08AM EDT (link)

Bulls-eye over the map of NC (which would be really bad). A subtle but important difference (at least in the liberal mind).

Um, Throwback you didn't read it all..

romansdaughter Friday, November 25th at 9:30AM EDT (link)

‘i hope someone murders you before I do’ The before I do makes it really bad in my way of thinking.

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I stand corrected. Although I'm willing to bet

throwback59 Friday, November 25th at 9:48AM EDT (link)

there won’t be a fraction of he coverage that remark gets as opposed to Palin’s Bulls-eye map got in the wake of the Gifford’s shooting, which still makes my point.

No, actually you are pointless.

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Friday, November 25th at 12:50PM EDT (link)

Comparing symbols that have often been used in maps to signify political objectives, to a murder threat are two very distinct and separate issues. But don’t let that stop you from propping up a strawman.

You also do realize that symbology has been used in numerous campaigns (without incident- some Democrat, some Republican) and I believe originated with Bob Beckel? Now I don’t really care for Bob, but I don’t think he did that as signal to go forth and murder people identified by that symbol- do you?

Linking the Giffords shooting by some crazy nutjob who has no link to Palin or her map has been so thoroughly debunked and dissembled, you should be embarrassed to even mention it.

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

Sarcasm, MT, sarcasm

Kyle-MI (Diary) Friday, November 25th at 3:37PM EDT (link)

Here's the basics

reigningsense Monday, November 28th at 8:51AM EDT (link)

May I trump TJ and say in simplest terms. The conservative view of everything is actually the hard way of doing things. It happens to be the ONLY way life works. The liberal view is how you WANT it to work. No need to save–people will give you money. No need to work/earn a living–we will give you money. No need to be responsible for the result of sex outside marriage–we will let you kill the baby. No need to guard your innner being/protect children/ society–feed it with whatever you want, porn, marijuana, R violent movies. etc. etc. etc. The things that are destroying us all fit in a liberal lifestyle. WANT a picture up close and personal?? OWS provides that blatantly!

 
 

aw come on

tlhanger Monday, November 28th at 12:25PM EDT (link)

cross hairs comment meant we were targeting her for recall. If you read the entire comment you would understand it.

Terry L Hanger

 
 
 
 

From a report by Logan Smith, KLTV online:

Jack_Savage (Diary) Friday, November 25th at 9:47AM EDT (link)

“When 26-year-old Nathan Shafer heard about the arrests of 19 Occupy Columbia members outside the State House last Wednesday, he did what lots of people do when they get angry — he vented about it on the Internet. He saw Gov. Haley’s Facebook post about the arrests and Haley’s comment that she “appreciate[s] freedom of speech,” and that’s when authorities say Shafer crossed the line.

“I hope someone murders you before I do,” Shafer said he commented on the post. “How’s that for freedom of speech?”‘

And we thought all the Occupiers and sympathizers were just cuddly little misguided, non-violent idealists.

And by the way, you don’t own .50 caliber weapons – especially at age 26 – unless you are prepared to do some serious damage to life or limb if the time came. I would be interested to know if they were Desert Eagle pistols, or some sort of rifle, as in “sniper rifle”. In light of his comments, the former would be bad, but the latter would prove intent.

Seriously?

jonedanger Monday, November 28th at 6:36AM EDT (link)

3 quick questions:

1. In your world at what age is is appropriate to own .50 caliber weapons?
2. Are YOU prepared to do some damage “if the time came”?
3. How does owning a rifle prove intent to do anything?

50 cal

gizmo Monday, November 28th at 9:25AM EDT (link)

JD,
I think the issue being that 50 cals, unless tey’re black powder, are SERIOUS wepons, not usually owned by the casual hunter & WAY to big/masive for self-protection.
The little bit I know of 50 cals is that they are designed for snipers & taking down very long distance targets.
By the way, I’m NOT anti-gun, as I carry a Targus 9m, own a S&W 357 & a couple shotguns… But I’m not a serious enough gunner to own or try to pack a 50 cal…

I disagree with the premise and how you might define "SERIOUS weapons"

Frozen_Man (Diary) Monday, November 28th at 11:33AM EDT (link)

Not to be combative but I tire of people thinking what ever guns (either number of guns, caliber, capacity etc.) they own/carry/use is acceptable and “normal” but anything more/different may indicate some how improper or may tell us something about the owner of that weapon. I have several friends who own .50 caliber weapons either because they just enjoy shooting them or because they compete in long distance shooting tournaments. You said that you have a .357 while not near a big as a .50 a .357 would be considered a SERIOUS weapon and at that a 9mm could be considered a SERIOUS weapon. If you thought it wasn’t then I assume you wouldn’t carry one. I don’t think anything can be inferred from the fact that a person owns a .50 caliber weapon any more than can be inferred from the fact that they own a 9mm or a .357

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RIP George Carlin

jonedanger Tuesday, November 29th at 6:54AM EDT (link)

“Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?”

 

As I read Jack's comment

harling Tuesday, November 29th at 12:16PM EDT (link)

it doesn’t sound like he is saying that merely owning a 50-cal proves intent; Rather, that owning a 50-cal escalates this particular exercise of Mr. Shafer’s First Amendment rights from idle talk to a very plausible threat.

Exactly. Thank you for getting the point.

Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 11:41PM EDT (link)

And for the record, I was proud to handle a .50 caliber Smith and Wesson this weekend, owned by someone who I have no doubt is responsible and law-abiding.

 
 

Actually, I do

Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 11:49PM EDT (link)

But the choice of weapon concerns me in light of the comments.

 
 
 

The finger

hitthedeck Monday, November 28th at 3:18PM EDT (link)

No matter what sort of firearm it is, it is the finger that pulls the trigger. It can be brainless controlled or controlled by intent. Follow that finger up the arm to the face of hate and it makes no difference what the caliber is or the type of weapon including a bomb or a knife. The word weapon is used for any object that can be used to kill or maim. The worst weapon on the face of the earth is man.

Actually the worst

jonedanger Tuesday, November 29th at 5:54PM EDT (link)

weapon in the world is a foam “We’re #1″ finger. Ever try to kill someone with that?

 
 

Easy, big fella. I'm on your side.

Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 11:47PM EDT (link)

But to answer your questions:
1) At the age, say, when you are able to make the decision to pay off your student loans instead of spending $1K on a weapon, unlike this clown.
2) Yes.
3) Owning a .50 cal doesn’t prove intent, but owning one at the same time you promise to murder a public official makes me concerned. For example, if someone made a threat against you, but didn’t have the means, would you be less concerned than if they made a threat against you and happened to own, say, some .50 caliber sniper rifles?

I get what you are saying, I’m just not one of those guys.

 
 
 

Yikes!

changeforrickperry Friday, November 25th at 9:57AM EDT (link)

This guy should be thrown under the jail, but it probably won’t get nearly the attention it would if he had threatened a Democrat. A crying shame, but that’s the world we live in. God bless Governor Haley–she seems like a very lovely person and I pray for her safety.

 

Is Shafer a graduate of the Hoffa/Trunka school of rhetoric

johnt Friday, November 25th at 10:16AM EDT (link)

perhaps a devotee of past heros like Rev Wright & Bomber Bill Ayers? Expect more of this, the OWS thing is a warm up, the vitriol a prelude, the left’s idea of inspiration to bigger & better things.
2012 is going to be a real rocker.

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I suppose ole Tom Jefferson....

kajun Friday, November 25th at 12:38PM EDT (link)

… was just making chit-chat when he gave us this bit of info:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 – 1826)

But today no one wants to be the first to shed the blood so the liberty tree can be refreshed. Just words.

Ciurious kajun.

gekster (Diary) Friday, November 25th at 12:47PM EDT (link)

Just what are you implying.
Could you elaborate.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

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Leave.

Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, November 25th at 1:45PM EDT (link)

Does this command to leave Now

rcastonjr Monday, November 28th at 8:50AM EDT (link)

indicate that you disagree with Jefferson or the guy quoting him? If so, what other things that Jefferson believed in and wrote about to you disagree with?
Just curious. Or do you also prefer that I “leave now” as well.

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…for all comments or questions regarding RedState’s comments moderation policy.

This is an instruction, by the way: not an invitation for further discussion of the topic.

 
 
 
 

Gabby's husband Mark Kelly condemned this guy

Paula (Diary) Saturday, November 26th at 1:50AM EDT (link)

Oh wait, a href=http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/23/mark-kelly-on-the-sarah-palin-crosshairs-its-not-helpful/’> it was Sarah Palin he condemned in an interview with Piers Morgan:

“In their new book “Gabby: A Story of Courage and Hope,” Kelly writes about Sarah Palin and the crosshairs she placed on her website, targeting Democratic districts including Giffords. Kelly doesn’t agree with the actions Palin took. “Certainly the targets that she put over Gabby’s and other people’s districts, you know, in our opinion, was not the right thing to do.”

Kelly notes that Giffords spoke about it before she was shot on January 8, 2011 and she made it clear that it could “ultimately incite people to do violent things.” He stresses, “Sarah Palin certainly is not responsible for what happened. But I think the angry rhetoric in an election year is not – it’s not helpful.”

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Sorry, here's the link

Paula (Diary) Saturday, November 26th at 1:51AM EDT (link)

a href=’http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/23/mark-kelly-on-the-sarah-palin-crosshairs-its-not-helpful/’>Mark Kelly interview

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Bah!

Paula (Diary) Saturday, November 26th at 1:59AM EDT (link)

We need a “delete comment” feature. Please?

Mark Kelly interview

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Well

arthurjake Monday, November 28th at 7:45AM EDT (link)

all a moot point anyway. The Giffords shooter was further left then Marx. I doubt he was inspired by Sarah Palin.

 
 

I saw that comment

RSSS Saturday, November 26th at 4:19PM EDT (link)

I often read Governor Haley’s posts & the comments that people post on her page. I reported it to Facebook. Glad to see the authorities checked it out and took action.

 

The arrest

publious Saturday, November 26th at 6:34PM EDT (link)

Lame-Stream-Media and Other Socialists

gaudium Monday, November 28th at 8:58AM EDT (link)

Nathan Shafer Will be protected as much as possible by the Socialist-Lame-Stream-Media because his agenda is Identical to theirs. That is, due away with Conservatives any possible way including slander and or murder it does not matter only the end results count.

 

Oh, Boy!

lakeworthcane Monday, November 28th at 10:21AM EDT (link)

Should an American citizen face criminal charges for merely saying he or she will murder somebody?

I think the law provides for some indication of actual intent and ability. If subsequent investigation shows that the sayer had both the intent and the abiity to murder the future victim, then it only makes sense for the law to step in. But if the investigation shows that the sayer was merely shooting of his or her mouth, then free-speech laws must be invoked to avoid setting the dangerous precedent of arresting people to prevent them from committing crimes in the future.

Common sense has to prevail. We don’t want to be arresting people for crimes they MIGHT commit but have not; simultaneously, we don’t want to leave well enough alone when a person is obviously intent on, and has the ability to, commit a crime.

But the other part of this story is that the “news media” might not give this serious or not-so-serious threat the coverage it would give if the threat was made against a democrat.

What?

Stan Monday, November 28th at 10:57AM EDT (link)

In this instance, it seems to me that in this instance, the words, in and of themselves, demonstrate the intent. Just IMO, but this guy needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. This isn’t “free speech”, this was a death threat. It doesn’t matter (or at least it shouldn’t) that the Governor is a woman, or of Indian heritage, or is a Republican – the guy issued a death threat on an elected official, and needs to spend some serious time in jail. Period.

Jail, or something he will not ever forget:

funwithknives Tuesday, November 29th at 2:09PM EDT (link)

1) 2,000 hours of community service, in a morgue or similar,And
2)suspension of his voting rights for 10 years,And
3) 50 public lashes , simulcast on pay-per-view, profits to a charity Gov.Haley designates.
Or :P ick a combo. {This is me, being Liberal}