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Mitt Romney flip-flops a grenade into illegal immigration debate.

How do I put this? Actually, that’s easy: with malice aforethought. Below are two key quotes of Mitt Romney with regard to his discussion with the Washington Examiner about illegal immigration:

I listened to Lindsey Graham the other day… I went down to Florida and met with Jeb Bush…

Yeah. As The Examiner put it – succinctly – “Lindsey Graham. Jeb Bush. If you are an “attrition-through-enforcement” conservative on illegal immigration, then this answer is probably setting off alarms.”

Come, I will conceal nothing from you: I am a pro-amnesty immigration squish. Once we have control of the border – real control of it, which to me means something like four digits’ worth of illegal immigrants every year instead of the six digits we get now – I’d be happy to trade green cards for getting these people out of the shadow economy and into the assimilation process. If that seems unreasonable, well… that’s a common reaction to pretty much everybody else’s immigration solution, too. And, frankly, if we had a simple solution we’d have put it in place*. All of which means that I am predisposed to be more in favor of either Rick Perry’s or Newt Gingrich’s views on immigration than I would be towards Mitt Romney‘s – at least, before Romney had last weekend’s upgrade to his operating system. But now that the wetware’s been updated, I’ll feel more comfortable towards Team Mitt once his new and improved – read, “more like my” – stance is revealed, right?

Not a chance. Perry’s immigration position is based on his real-life experience governing a border state whose history has been intertwined with Mexico for going on two centuries now. Gingrich’s is more intellectual and less practical, but it’s based on his ongoing study of the national situation (you don’t have to agree with his thinking, but Gingrich did think about it). Neither man is particularly likely to change their views any time soon, either. But Romney? …This is the first step in redefining Romney’s pander on immigration from ‘Republican base’ to ‘the general electorate,’ and it’ll be blatantly obvious once Romney unveils his plan. Which will be as late in the day as Team Romney can manage.

Shorter Moe Lane: I actually can recognize when people are trying to urinate on my leg and tell me that it’s precipitation. I’ll stick with the candidates who take a stand and mean it, thanks.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

*This is the part where people start confidently saying how there is a simple solution – which, surprisingly, is also their solution. Um. No. If it was simple and easy, we’d do it. No, there is no secret conspiracy that is keeping that simple solution from happening. No, there is no all-powerful lobby that is effortlessly enforcing its will on the rest of us. No, devil theories have limited value beyond being the intellectual equivalent of comfort food. And getting mad that I am daring to write all of that will not actually help the situation any.

COMMENTS

  • andystone

    “before Romney had last weekend?s upgrade to his operating system”

    See, you’ll always like Romney after he becomes “better informed about [his] views on issues”!

  • acat

    Waffles, when there’s a barbed wire fence down the center line, do NOT try to straddle it.

    Mew

  • donald_24

    The GOP consistently tries to fool people every 4 years that they care about stopping illegal immigration, but it is time that we accept the cold hard reality:

    Republicans want cheap illegal immigrant labor in order to enrich their corporate puppet masters, like the US Chamber of Commerce.

  • gekster

    Just who might those be.

  • donald_24

    Both parties are controlled by corporate puppet masters. Let me make that 101% clear. The main puppet master is Wall Street (Fnance, Insurance, and Real Estate). Mitt Romney is the #1 beneficiary of FIRE money:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/10/mitt-romney-wall-street-money.html

    In fact, Romney is raising more money from Wall St. than Obama:

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/44920282/Romney_Beating_Obama_to_Wall_Street_s_Cash

    And it is not just Romney. John Cornyn, head of the NRSC, and Harry Reid, repeatedly hold secret fundraisers with Wall St. executives:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/93359-reid-wont-comment-on-wall-st-fundraiser

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Get it right next time.

    Somewhere else.

  • gtbw

    this web site is getting worse than daily kos or network news for tearing down republicans. any of the republican candidates would be 100% better than socialist obama.

  • gekster

    We already know that anyone of them, (even RP) would be better than Obama.
    We are just filtering through and trying to pick the best one for the job.
    If bringing out and exposing faults about each candidate
    is ‘tearing them down’, then so be it.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    NT

  • acat

    Mew

  • wennejunk

    The next upgrade will fix everything.

  • wennejunk

    Can you be more specific?

    Who on Wall Street, where do they meet, how many chapters in their book to rule the world?

    Inquiring minds want to know. No not really.

    I live with this stuff every day in a close family member. Helicopters, cabals, secrets groups, etc. In my world, we have finally been able to call it by its real name: mental illness. OWS is filled with it too.

  • bornagainrealist

    if they do not win the Hispanic vote. Period. Time to make a choice. Tone down the rhetoric or get use to another 4 yrs of BO.

  • throwback59

    and Throw them Out.
    Simple enough?

  • seanl

    the GOP since Nixon. If he becomes the nominee god help us all.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Because I’m pretty sure that if we were to start implementing a mandatory national ID card program (complete with biometric data) (“Hunt Them Down”), the creation of mass holding camps where large numbers of individuals could be involuntarily held without being first being convicted or even charged with a crime(“Round Them Up”), and enshrining into American constitutional law the principle that eminent domain trumps everything when it comes to property rights (“Throw Them Out”), throwback59 would be among the first to pound the table and shout. Possibly without recognizing the irony.

    Moe Lane

    PS: I figure that this response will be a decent enough response to any other attempts to turn one of the most godawful messes of our generation into a slogan.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    .

  • cwilson

    Presidents Gore and Kerry would like a word with you.

  • bs61

    They tell the truth, it’s NOT the RNC!

  • boonerdan

    PHASE 1: Build the freakin’ fence, back it up with a wall, include a moat, and then install randomly placed land mines across the entire southern border. Call it a “massive public works program” (channel your inner FDR ) if that makes you touchy, feely progressive RINOS sleep better at night. STOP with the cost thing please; I am sure we can divert the printing presses off of the EURO bailout program for a couple of days to get the cash.

    PHASE 2: DEPORT every illegal in the country, one at a time if necessary. Please note that DEPORT does not equal detain. Again, you can call this a “jobs” program if it makes you feel better, as I am sure we can put people to work on this effort.

    PHASE 3: Expedite all LEGAL immigrants after sufficient background checks. Yes, you guessed it: another jobs program possibility.

    PHASE 4: Resume LEGAL immigration through LEGAL processes.

    BTW, no need for a national ID program. I realize this is going to be confusing for many of you: B-I-R-T-H C-E-R-T-F-I-C-A-T-E

  • snowshooze

    Look, we are an EOE.. or would we have PETA problems?
    Rick says it would be excessively expensive, impractical, and maybe not even possible to build that fence.
    Look, I contacted Arizona and tried to donate a fence post, and asked if I could put my name on it.
    I have to accept Rick’s evaluation.It just cannot be done realistically.
    Ok.

  • center77

    smart, and I understood why the Texas Economy was going to be better for it. THing about it. Texas educates a child, then they only have to pay for htat price of the of not getting the saved amount of the instate tuition, but Texas makes these people pay full amount,whichmeans they do not get to go to school (I cant pay full out of state, how can they). so then Texas pays the cost od taking care of these people until the federal government made some kind of choice on what to do. Since that was in 2003, Texas would be paying a lot for those children. They save money by educating them and making them apply to become citizens. I am not sure about the numbers, but it makes sense to me.

    Mitt Romney is going to change his position now and say he learned a few things since the last time he flip floped on the debate stage. Nobody at Fox News can seem to get it why Romney is not winning, they pushed him for so long, but no. I cannot understand why Newt is doing so well, he is everything the small government types should hate about Washington, but when the establishmentwanted to split the conservative vote they needed to push other candidates up, Newt seemed a good fit, but Cain flamed out and now Newt is on fire. The establishment does not know what to do about it because Newt should have gone down by now, but he has not, its because people think he is something he is not.

    I will not fall for these lame games, I know they felt they had to hit Perry hard right off the bat, they goaded Bachmann into atttacking Perry, Romney did it, but Perry fights back and they call him a bully.
    This was probably a win for the establishment because if Perry was in Newts position rightnow there would be no stopping him, he has the money and state org. I think there is still time for something to happen but it has to be soon, and it has to be because conservative stop deceiving themselves about who Newt is and that his past does not harm him and us bad inthe general election. I love watching him get the liberal meida too, but logic does not allow me to just ignore all the bad that Newt comes with.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Hope nobody reading this owns property within … oh, a quarter or half a mile from the US/Mexican border, because boonerdan just channeled his inner City of New London and is seeking to appropriate it from you.

  • don12345

    You can say what you want about Romney, but you are destroying the party when you push Newt Gingrich all because you don’t want Romney. I’ll tell you why. I am a life long social conservative. I was raised in a Republican family and in a Republican town. Even with all that, if we nominate Newt Gingrich into our party as our presidential candidate, I am gone. I will never vote for another Republican and only vote for third parties and Democats, until of course there is another Clinton or Gingrich type social monster from the Left. My children should never see their President with a landfill full of smelly garbage that Gingrich is proud of. The bible has strong words for people that worship the beast. I will have no part in it. Gingrich thinks he’s God’s greatest gift to mankind. Christ is and will always be God’s greatest Gift to mankind. You guys go off and worship the beast but as for me and my family we will serve the Lord.

  • logicalpositivist

    Great.

    Does anyone here ever report on Gingrich’s flip-flops on immigration, abortion, or health care?

    Everything Mitt says gets hyper-analyzed, twisted, and taken out of context. You guys are as bad as the LSM.

  • dandolo

    and no, to my mind, the GOP candidates are not 100% better than the O. This is the time to turn the country around and off the path we have been on since LBJ. Actually, the election of our current socialist in the White House may be our last chance to turn the train around and if we fail to elect the proper person it might be better to give him four more years if that is what it takes to wake up the middle portion of this nation. Otherwise we are just punting and laying the problem on the future.

    How many times does the GOP get to fold on issue after issue and still be forgiven?

  • logicalpositivist

    I thought Obama was the worst thing to happen to the GOP.

    I guess you’re more concerned about the primary election than the general election.

    Stay on the Perry train if you like losers.

  • logicalpositivist

    For a Republican to win, he must carry at least 33% of the Hispanic vote.

    Bush did very well among hispanics.

    The Tea Party movement has pulled the party so far to the right on immigration and a host of other issues that the Bush of 2000 and the Reagan of 1980 would not have survived the primary election in today’s GOP.

    We will be in the wilderness for at least 4 more years if we don’t hit the right notes on immigration. Something between opening up the borders and Tom Tancredo’s eradication program would be fair.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Thanks for short-circuiting the review process for us like that.

    Shoo.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Pot-Kettle, etc. All we get from Mitt Money supporters are attacks on other candidates. We know why. The only hope for the Mittster is to tear down ever anybody-but-Mitt candidate.

    The GOP deserves a more credible and conservative candidate than Mitt Romney would be. Any of Perry/Gingrich/Cain/Bachmann/Santorum would be more conservative.

    Romney’s support is capped at 25%, and the other 75% of us are looking about for a better candidate. ANYONE who didnt pass the prototype for Obamacare and thinks its swell, swore he was prochoice and now … etc. You get the picture. Romney is a fine man and a MODERATE. This conservative site will continue to be skeptical of the moderate-in-flip-flops with the Presidential sheen.

  • gekster

    And all the candidates are more than 100% better than Obama.
    If you want to change the party, do it from within.
    And if you want to post, think before you do.
    You wouldn’t look the dufuss if you did.
    That, or give the laptop back to Mommy.

  • Bill S

    Thank you, brother Moe.

  • Bill S

    …that the “enablers” of illegal immigration will simply do what the drug dealers do: tunnel under it.

    The only way to secure the border is how Rick Perry has already proposed: boots on the ground.

  • dandolo

    We have been hearing change the party from within for years and have very little to show for it. All of your snarky remarks do not change the fact that the Republican party is known as the party of stupid for a reason.
    Eventually the party’s base is going to tire of repeated disappointment.

  • gekster

    Snark aside, just what do YOU have planned.
    C’mon Einstien, what do we do.

  • easyb

    If you are a life-long social conservative, you will never vote for a Dem, period.

    Will you really vote third party or stay home, and allow Obama to be re-elected? Really?

    Think about it: the next president will very likely nominate one or two supreme court justices. If the current balance is tipped the other way, a great deal of social conservative causes will be in jeopardy.

    Your candidate purity standards may end up being the worst enemy of your ultimate goals.

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    If you don’t like the weather here, wait a day or two, it will change. I live in MA, the weather this fall has had 90 degree days in October followed by a snowstorm and heavy winds three weeks later, both in October.

  • tomatin

    But Bush did much better with Hispanics than the current GOP field will unfortunately all for the wrong reasons.

  • dandolo

    we talk to each other like adults.

    Then I would recommend a two-pronged approach.
    The first would be to support/vote for Republicans who are actually conservatives, such as West and Rubio.
    The second would be to start running third party candidates against RINOs such as McCain. Yeah, we might lost a time or two, but I would bet we would win some too, more than.

    The Republican party has gone through some bad times before and even lost several election cycles over the years, but it has in the end adapted and emerged stronger. In fact, and I honestly may be wrong, but did it not emerge out of the ashes of another party?

    Either way, we cannot win this war with liberalism by giving them three inches and then only taking back one, which is what we have been doing for too long.

  • tomatin

    But I think you are being way too harsh on the GOP.

    I see the GOP governors actually doing something about illegals. Bush while I did not agree with him on illegals was soft on them based on his personal principles. I didn’t like it but I understood.

    So I just don’t agree with you that the GOP as a rule is soft on illegals in general because most of them are not on the same page with the COC on this issue.

  • ammy

    Thank you for saying what I have been feeling for a while now. This website exists to mock, villify and distort Romney’s record. It reeks of anti-Mormonism.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    It is EXTREMELY rare that we break from the “conservative in the primary, Republican in the general” rule of thumb. As in, fingers-of-one-hand rare, in the 7.5 years that I’ve been here and writing for RS.

    This is not going to change any time soon.

  • gekster

    that has won in recent history.
    If you want the party to be more conservative, it has to come from the bottom up.
    Guessing wont do it. You have to become active at the bottom to change the top.
    But I already know you won’t see that.
    And if you want to converse as an adult, quit making childish and uninformed posts.

  • gekster

    You do have an example, don’t you.

  • tomatin

    Personally I pine for the days of Ronald Reagan.

    But to be honest RS is just a reflection of the way the primary is going between most of the candidates. Have you see the debates and attack ads GOP candidates are throwing at each other these days. You could argue that the DNCC would use the same ads as well.

    My feeling is even if the GOP nominee goes limping into the convention, the specter of BHO will make the GOP coalesce just in time for the general.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …a bit of a brawl? Not that I remember much of it; at the time, I was only – never mind; it’ll just depress people.

  • JSobieski

    Most people don’t care about Romney’s Mormonism.

    If Romney had made an effort to court conservatives, he could have easily avoided his current predicament. Instead, he “played it safe” put out tepid policy papers, and bam…. he hit problems.

    I like Romney as a person, but not as a politician. I would of course vote for him in the general election.

    There is an anti-Romney attitude on this site, but to attribute that to religious bias is analogous to what D’s do on race. You don’t like my policies/my guy, it must be X.

    Romney’s record is not what people are looking for. Obamacare is the big issue, and Romneycare makes Romney unique unsuited for 2012.

    Romney may be Constitutional, but the “its legal” defense of a bad idea is not what people want to hear. Had Romney said, they were going to pass something, and Romneycare is the best of a bad situation—I could swallow it.

    instead he is proud of it, and says its a good thing for his state.

  • tomatin

    Sure if we were a parliamentary system like Britain, 3rd parties could be effective. But a third party would not work in the modern day America.

  • tomatin

    Yes for the time and that’s even a kinda. GWHB’s biggest hit was calling trickle down economics “Voodoo” economics.

    But it’s was not even close to the rancor we see constantly today.

    Of course the end of the primary was 100% conciliatory since Reagan chose Bush to run with him on the ticket.

    The way these candidates are attacking each other in this primary, it’s going to be very hard to pick the runner up because the Dumbocrats would use their own words from the primary against their running mate at the top of the ticket.

  • tomatin

    ntntntn

  • bloggb

    hiring illegals…. which is why they want to continue illegal immigration.

    hmmm… lessee, I guess a gop investor into taco bell would want more illegals to serve your burritos, as cheap labor to help their bottom line.

    right! I get it!
    not.

    Draw the line, connect the dots, show real proof, or get off your soapbox.

    Truth is, you can’t!

    (Bet you don’t even know who or what the US Chamber of Commerce is do you?)

  • acat

    (holds up card with a 3)

    Mew

  • tomatin

    Does that make RS anti-Roman Catholic?

    Methinks not.

  • acat

    and had to demand the right to use it?

    This primary has been relatively tame on the part of the politicians .. if we were all watching this on CBS or NBC or ABC (because there wasn’t cable …) or reading about it in the Wall Street Journal or Chicago Tribune (because there wasn’t a world wide web) or talking to our mechanic and banker and travel agent (because there wasn’t ing direct or travelocity) … it’s not that different.

    Smelly hippies protesting, government cracking down on ‘em, expect some disruptions at the GOP convention…

    Almost enough to convince me I’m in a time warp.

    Mew

  • tomatin

    From Wikiquote ”
    I am paying for this microphone!
    At a Republican primary debate in Nashua, New Hampshire (23 February 1980). The moderator had ordered the soundman to turn off Reagan’s microphone, as Reagan was about to explain that as his campaign was paying for the debate which had originally been arranged by the Nashua Telegraph and that he had invited Bob Dole, Howard Baker, John B. Anderson, and Phil Crane, to be in it as well. Video footage.”

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan

    He was actually quoting an old Spencer Tracy movie. The man was simply a genius when it game to understanding the American spirit and communicating to Americans.

  • nathanalbright

    *holds up a card with 2.5 written on it*.

  • davesinsanantonio

    And here is a perfect example.
    He wants wants social conservatism most, but will vote for a dim or a third party guaranteed loser–thereby insuring Obummer’s second term and wiping out all social conservative causes for the forseeable future.
    This is cutting off the whole head to spite the face.

    “What a maroon! What an igroranamus!” to quote a noted American philosopher.

  • davesinsanantonio

    nt

  • dandolo

    Quite often I see that the R party does not have the backbone to make the changes necessary to save this nation.
    Democrats and the MSM cheat, lie and steal to make the changes they want and Republicans do little. If Obama was a R he would have been impeached.

    That being said a 3rd party does not have to win a lot to be effective, just strong enough to threaten the power of the hierarchy of the R party.

    AND that being said it is dropped.

  • romansdaughter

    I don’t like either candidate.. I agree with you they are both flip floppers and in some ways Newt is worse, cause he thinks he is so smart and has a bigger ego. And to answer your question Bzip has a lot of information on Gingerich and his flip flops.

  • dandolo

    just do not so sure it is working,

    Either way stop being keyboard tough
    and next time you do not want to have a civilized conversation try shutting up.

  • gekster

    And if you had of been here more than three days I might listen to you.
    If you quit being keyboard stupid, others might listen to you.
    Now give the laptop back to Mommy.
    Does she know your playing with it.
    You might want to go to a website that you can handle.
    Hell Kitty Island Paradise has free registration.
    Get your Mommy to help you.

  • noveldog9

    I agree with you don12345. The news media is pushing Newt much too hard and he has been all over the place when it comes to his convictions, just what are they?

    Mormon, or not, Romney is the husband of one wife, and loves God, and country. He has a better chance of straightening out the economy than Newt who supported WTO and NAFTA. Ross Poirot said back when he ran against Bill (I hardly know the woman) Clinton that there would be a mass exodus of our manufacturing jobs overseas because of these stupid trade agreements. He was right. Romney is the only one with guts enough to change these agreements, drill for oil, but safely, and lower our energy prices so our businesses can compete.

  • noveldog9

    It is the Democrats who have run our country so deep in dept that if we were to try to pay it off right now a family of four would owe over 1.3 million$$$$$.
    It is the Democrats who pushed through Obama-care against the will of the people.
    It is the Democrats who back the OWS crowd who cost each city hundreds of thousands of dollars that will have to be paid for by middle American tax payers while their fat cat backers, like Buffet and Soros get filthy rich buying up cheap stock.

    The cities should send their clean up bills to the Democratic Parties Headquarters. And all of us should switch parties….no more Progressives! Down with the Democratic Party!

  • barbs003

    So having 1 wife is a prerequisite to being a good person? I don’t think so.

  • duncer

    Lindsey graham has a trust deficit to rival obamas budget deficit in size.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    I could sit down and – through the use of reason, example, and vicious mockery – demonstrate that this is an absurd statement for anybody to make, particularly when the person who made said statement didn’t believe it either and is just trying to shut me up before I say more unfortunate (and in my opinion, accurate) things about Mitt Romney. Or, I could not waste any more of my valuable time and just ban the person accusing me of hating Mormons.

    Guess which one I did? No, guess.

  • izoneguy

    Hmmmm, should I buy stock in:

    A) Fence companies
    B) Ladder companies
    C) Bus companies

    ?????

    So many choices.

  • blarman

    How are we supposed to take seriously a man who is willing to succumb to his selfishness and abrogate sacred marriage covenants not once, but twice? It isn’t about how many wives he’s had, but how he placed himself before them each time. Do you really think that doesn’t carry over into all aspects of his life?

    Bill Clinton was smart, too. Doesn’t mean his philandering wasn’t a direct window into his soul. Same for several others. How did Barack Obama get into office? By going after his opponents’ divorce papers!

    I believe in repentance, but I don’t see any of that coming out of Newt. Romney, Perry, Bachman – all have been loyal to their primary responsibility: their family. I’ll take any one of them over a cheat and narcissist.

  • blarman

    The latest article I read said that Obama had already raised a BILLION dollars from Wall Street for his election campaign. Mitt has more than that? I’m impressed. Let’s not forget who has benefited from the President’s edicts:
    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and all the banking companies that got bailed out.
    All the trading companies that got bailed out.

    Yeah, I REALLY suggest you check your sources.

  • acat

    Right now, they split between parties.

    The Dems hope to turn them into a bloc to replace the crumbling Labor Bloc … I’d like to think the GOP is smart enough to do a shared-values-based outreach, but .. so far they’re approach seems to assume all Hispanics came from Cuba on a raft in the 1970s.

    Mew

  • woode

    this election is not it.

    You do not have to go to church with a person to align with them politically. I?ve battled liberals from within and without the party alongside soldiers with differing theologies and various backgrounds, some with multiple marriages. They all stood firm in the fire fight. I?ve also been politically betrayed by friends from my own denomination who were husbands of one wife and leaders in the church.

    There is a standard with which to judge ? where is their heart today and what is in their core that motivates them. Frankly, I do not believe Mitt has an unwavering core. With Newt ? it remains to be seen. But in either case, both will be better than the current conniving secularist and his evil men who creep about in the shadows seeking to destroy. And, who knows, neither may be the nominee.

    Be a strict purist in the primary; prepare to embrace pragmatism in the general.

  • chasvoice

    And you thought Romney was an American patriot? Yikes!

    Romney?s Advisors Are Leftist Elites
    http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2011/10/romneys-advisors-are-leftist-elites.html

    Anne Manning claims she performed a sex act on Gingrich in his Washington D.C. hotel room while he was still married to his first wife Jackie in 1977.
    http://cgi.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/members/forum.cgi?read=30874

  • avagreen

    I recognize the terminology: “husbands of one wife and leaders in the church”. Only one group uses that frequently. Some of us are battle scarred. ;)

    Good to know ya.

  • quad4x4

    This idea of if “x” is the nominee, then i’ll leave the party is all crap. I HEARD a lot of hollywood types spew this trash, but they never left or changed parties. That is what happened and why we got Carter and Co. And more of the same. Too many sat on their hands. and voted for no one. Hence the Obamonation.

    The TEA party types (not all of one stripe or governed by one leader) may not be the best, but it did manage to get the most people to come together. Under the banner that ” The basic” is government is too big and too tax based. Thats the people talking and liking what they hear. and they VOTE.

    When all of us get cast in stone and never change for the better or worse, then we will have Utopia. Never will happen and for thousand years or better it is tried and fails.

    Get a life and select the best, warts and all, none are perfect, but one must be the best at this time. Right now Newt looks the best, in my humble opinion. Beat Obammo boy wonder and his coherts.

  • swampgator

    Well said!

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Is that Romney is not at his core a conservative.
    He supports some conservative things, but like Nixon and GHWBush, will in the end desert us when politics gets in the way.

    The elites know it, that’s why they want Romney vs Obama. win / win for Big Govt and the liberal agenda.

    Conservatives know it. Romney has fine character and a good resume, but Obama’s team will tag him as a 1%-er and a vulture capitalist and keep reminding voters of how flip-floppy he is. That’s Obama’s only hope. So we are looking for alternatives. Better a flawed conservative than an electable non-conservative.

    There IS a religion that conservative hate – it’s called ElitistSquishModeratarianism. Please excuse our prejudices on this matter.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And here I thought he was just poor excuse for a Rockefeller Republican.

  • aesthete

    is the one that you don’t usually have when you take the pills the good doctor prescribes.

  • 1rationalmind

    Moe, Who is urinating on peoples legs and calling it precipitation? You are, on ours, but I call it negative spin. If someone where trying to read into or explain Romney’s segment on immigration in a honest way, they would look into his long term public stated position and how he governed as Govenor. Unless that someone’s (you) purpose is to undermined Romney, then truth be DAMMED!
    Romney record:
    1) Romney has said since at least 2007: Illegal immigrants should have to register, go home (their home country) and get in line with everyone else, with NO special pathway for citizenship or residency. He has also said that ?they may have to a pay fine.? .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzhBjUaiBfk&feature=player_embedded
    2)As Governor he directed his state police to enforce the immigration laws.
    3)Vetoed Massachusetts’s Dream act law.
    4)Vetoed Licenses for illegal?s immigrants.
    5)Was and is AGAINST sanctuary cities.

    Moe, don?t urinating on our legs!

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Nit-picky of me, to be sure, but then I’m allowed to be and well, you are not.

    Now, you will use Standard English in the future when you’re trying to see how much you can safely whine at the nice site moderator, yes? – That’s a rhetorical question, by the way.

  • 1rationalmind

    Moe, Thanks for the correction on urinating! I didn’t think my reply would hit a nerve. One would think that the way you write, well, that you would have thicker skin. Oh well.

  • 1rationalmind

    Moe, Thanks for the correction on urinating! I didn’t think my reply would hit a nerve. One would think that the way you write, well, that you would have thicker skin. Oh well

  • wennejunk

    but to God.

    Whether he has or not is between God and he.

    Any statement he makes to you and I on the status of his soul in this regard is worthless, on par with Obama’s claim to be Christian or any other politician who uses faith in their messaging.

    The only thing that matters from here forward is his actions.

  • wennejunk

    Mormon, or not, Romney is the husband of one wife, and loves God, and country. He has a better chance of straightening out the economy than Newt who supported WTO and NAFTA.

    I think its great he has been (apparently) faithful to his wife.

    That has no bearing on his ability to solve this nations problems.

    I’ve been faithful to my one wife as well. My ability to govern a nation is exactly zero.

    Separate the two concepts and evaluate on the other aspects: experience, ideas, ability form a coalition, etc.

    Perhaps Romney comes out ahead, or perhaps Newt – regardless, it is not linked to their single vs multiple wives.

  • wennejunk

    Well said.

  • sunshinek67

    Ok, forget about the serial adultery. The last 10 years of his “professional” record would be considered precursory to a Presidency. Unregistered lobbyist that banked millions, mismanagement of his own Presedential campaign, & then there is his lavish spending habits, including within his campaign travels.

    I think the lobbyist record will hurt him in the general more than the personal stuff, my opinion~

  • APA Guy

    How narcissistic can you possibly be? Do you claim to know what is now in Newt’s heart – or whether he repented for his sins?

    One of the burdens of being a Christian is actually behaving like one. We are not to judge or believe the worst about others. Let God sort Newt’s personal affairs and desire to repent out. Our job is to choose the person best able to govern this nation.

  • wennejunk

    Than to hedge their bets by playing both sides and donating to both the GOP puppets and the Dem puppets.

    Heck, if they really had control, they would simply give to the ultimate Manchurian candidate.

    Oh..that’s the right…the people might find out so they have to play both sides.

    Ahh….but good puppet masters would control the messaging to keep the people in the dark.

    Maybe there are two sets of puppet-masters, at war with each other?

    The possibilities are endless in the fevered and sick mind.

  • APA Guy

    His political record – both in and out of office – is most certainly relevant to his qualification for the office of the presidency.

    That having been said, you’re going to find things you don’t like about ALL these candidates. The question for us all is, does the candidate have enough good in his/her record to more than counter-balance what we see as undesirable?

    In my estimation, both Newt and Perry do. It’s just that the thought of Perry on a national stage with Obama makes me cringe. I remember the Carter/Reagan debate…all it takes is one moment, and that moment will not come with Gingrich on the stage (well, it may befall Obama…we can only hope!).

  • wennejunk

    It probably makes the taco bell food more authentic in the eyes of these supposed managers and investors who are skirting the law.

  • wennejunk

    The backbone comes from its members getting off their butts and articulating to other members why certain principles and candidates are preferred and worth fighting for.

    Failing to do this allows consent to the status quo through indifference.

    If the leaders do not show a backbone, its because the masses of GOP voters allow them to.

    Start local, with your neighbors and family.

    If neighbors and family will not listen – because you are the nutty crank who always grouses and complains, then start by cleaning up your act and becoming effective in making things happen.

    Action and results beget followers and momentum begets leaders who listen and believe and act accordingly.

    The GOP leadership doesn’t believe because the GOP voters don’t really believe what they say they want.

  • wennejunk

    If I’m counting accurately.

    I’m starting to think you shook the shrubs on purpose to raise their antennae. Reminds me of an old Bloom County strip:

    http://sensibleparty.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/bloom-county-hunting-liberals-copy.gif

  • arthurjake

    He was a consultant. Making millions of dollars with a successful consulting company should not be a negative factor. As for spending habits, I can care less how much the man spends of his own money. I wish I were that well off but hey I am not so why be jealous over personal wealth.