Ohio redistricting referendum fails to make the ballot. [UPDATED]


[UPDATE: I've had folks note that the original map is not quite the same as the final, approved map.  There's been some tweaking of districts; not enough to particularly change any of the practical results found below, but enough to be noteworthy.  Fair enough.]

I was over at Larry Sabato’s site today* and I came across this report that an attempt to referendum the Ohio redistricting map has failed miserably. That means that [a map similiar to] the map proposed earlier will now take effect: to summarize, it’s expected to result in a 12R/4D map. Two Republicans and two Democrats (one of whom is Dennis Kuchinich) will compete against each other in primaries; a D versus R race will take place under conditions favorable to the latter; and they carved out another majority-minority seat to keep the VRA happy. I called this result ‘subtle’ at the time; I see no reason why I should change that adjective, unless it’s to replace it with ‘successful.’

On a more general note? When they write the books about Nancy Pelosi’s tenure as Speaker of the House, events like this will be reason why the titles will have “Lost” or “Shattered” or “Broken” in them. From a purely partisan perspective, the national Democratic party picked the worst possible time to lose the House of Representatives and be the minority in about 60% of all state legislatures; the first event put a lot of Republicans in office at just the right moment to give state legislators elected as part of the second one the opportunity to lock in most of those seats for at least two election cycles. And it all happened because the then-Democratic Congress made the catastrophic mistake of taking too much advantage of their 2009 majority. If Nancy Pelosi had been thinking like a proper Speaker of the House, she would have realized that an incremental strategy until 2011 would have been optimal. Instead, she got grabby, passed a lot of bad legislation, lost her House majority, and has now forced the national party to fight losing battles to try to regain territory that they thought was theirs by right.

And that’s why Pelosi should have resigned after the 2010 midterms. The fact that she didn’t – out of what is probably best described as pique – is going to pay dividends for the Republicans for a while**.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

*Yes, I do occasionally look at Democratic sites, in my professional capacity. While I generally find the Lefty political blogs a waste of time – you rarely get original material from the top ones, and the other 99% have a sullen resentment about their inability to become successful that is only tasty in small doses – some of the Democratic operatives have a better grasp of reality, largely for pragmatic reasons.

**This would be the point where people start ripping their shirts and lamenting about how awful the Republicans are at politics. I recognize the appeal, but I will politely note that this sort of thing can become, well, a habit. Is there any real harm in waiting a week on any particular situation, assessing how it turns out, and weeping and wailing then?


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The Ohio map

dpmapper (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 12:10PM EDT (link)

There was a new “compromise” map passed a week and a half ago, so it’s not the September map. Ohio Dems had little leverage due to the low signature count so they caved and got only a few minor changes.

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=124180.780

Interesting. Were there any major changes?

Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 1:52PM EDT (link)

The general impression that I got was that the electoral battlespace had remained the same; I haven’t really gotten into the weeds on this one, though.

No major changes

thirstyboots Friday, December 23rd at 2:20PM EDT (link)

The 10th was a bit weakened (relatively to the original version, basically the Dayton AA neighborhoods were put back into it), but Mike Turner will still win it easily. That was basically the only republican concession.

 

@ Moe...Ohio redistricting

Paula (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 2:51PM EDT (link)

Bottom line, the R’s and D’s will likely each lose a seat. “Fair,” by any fair-minded person’s standards, but, you know how that goes.

The end result, from the Plain Dealer:

“Republicans conceded some face-saving tweaks to Democrats, including a better chance for two African-American representatives to go to Washington and a less fractured Dayton area. The tweaks also leave U.S. Rep. Marcy Kaptur’s Toledo base more intact — and thus more challenging to win for Cleveland’s Rep. Dennis Kucinich, who loses only a part of his base in the reshuffling (and no one should write off Kucinich, who has more political lives than a cat).

Overall, the tweaks drew enough “yes” votes from General Assembly Democrats to declare the redistricting plan an emergency measure, letting it take immediate effect. Moreover, emergency measures are not subject to referendum, which seems to be Ohio Democrats’ preferred political weapon at the moment.”

The Dems are screaming about it, thinking they were sold out by their team. Boehner’s fingerprints are all over this in the form of a kick-the-can-down-the-road “task force” required to propose a congressional redistricting reform plan by June 30. When the history books are written, these commissions and task forces will be his legacy.

Probably the most important part of this deal is that it unifies the primary. If this had not been resolved, Ohio would have had to move the March primary to June for congressional and presidential elections. That would have not only been costly and confusing, it would have taken Ohio out of picture for much of the primary process.

It should be a fun primary between Marcy Kaptur and Dennis Kucinich. The winner gets to play Joe-the-Plumber.

One side note of this grueling mess: Remember back in the day when Rep. Jim Jordan had the nerve to defy Boehner on the debt ceiling deal and Boehner threatened to eliminate his district? He quickly backtracked and Jordan wasn’t eliminated, but take a look at Jordan’s 4th District. Now compare it to his current district.

He’s been given 3 additional counties (a total of 14), plus hundreds of miles of barely contiguous areas covering at least 4 TV markets. Now check out Boehner’s neighboring District 8, which covers a compact area over 5 1/2 counties and two TV markets. Not a stretch to think Jordan will be out of his hair because he’ll be forced to spend a LOT of time on the road introducing himself to his new constituents. They have their ways of dealing with dissenters, don’t they?

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I doubt the 4th was payback

dpmapper (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 3:03PM EDT (link)

It was overly packed with GOP voters as it was, so if you want to protect the GOP marginal seats in NE Ohio, it needed to be the one to do most of the work, no matter who held it. Boehner’s seat was too far away to do any of the heavy lifting.

 
 
 
 

I concur

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 12:44PM EDT (link)

Obama, Pelosi & Reid got to greedy…..
When they call Republicans greedy they are
really projecting about themselves…..
Obama will blame his loss in 2012 on greedy voters…..

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 

Meh.

swami7774 (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 1:09PM EDT (link)

Ohio Dems will just organize a massive effort to have

voters flee to neighboring states, effectively boycotting the elections.

Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism.

 

Good news from New Jersey,too

Castor (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 2:56PM EDT (link)

It appears that redistricting will give Scott Garret the advantage over Rothman with the net result of a seat lost for the Dems

Garrett

proudgop (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 6:07PM EDT (link)

is favored and Rotham would be better off primary Parsell

The map also makes Lance and Ryun district safe seats for GOP.

 
 

Good news from New Jersey,too

Castor (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 2:56PM EDT (link)

It appears that redistricting will give Scott Garret the advantage over Rothman with the net result of a seat lost for the Dems

 

You Know Someone is from Wisconsin if

Duke Friday, December 23rd at 3:13PM EDT (link)

their politics is from “getting down in the weeds.” That’s where Wisconsin politics is found now days!

You could possibly extend your analysis of Democrat mistakes, and lay yet another boondoggle at the feet of Pelosi and Obama: If Scott Walker defeats the recall stooges he will be a viable candidate for President of the U.S. He will have already run a national campaign right here in Wisconsin.

Had Ohio gone to the wall with their public sector unions, as the unions are doing with Walker now, the war would have been distributed across states and the above would not be the case. In the future, in order to get the job done in Ohio, they will need not only a Walker victory but their favorable electoral map as well.

We are either witnessing the rebirth of a nation, or the end of one; In either case we are witnessing history in the making.

It’s not about a purge. It’s about an insurrection.

55555 Duke

carolina Friday, December 23rd at 6:39PM EDT (link)
 

Here is the history of the maps and the final map

bytor3bp (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 5:41PM EDT (link)

Moe, what you state above is not quite correct as to the map. The map put out in September is not the map that will take effect.

We’ve covered this closely at 3BP in Ohio. There have been several maps put out.

See the history here:
http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/2011/12/breaking-ohio-house-reaches-deal-on-new.html
Final map here:
http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/2011/12/revised-ohio-congressional-map-and-new.html

Updated.

Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 5:53PM EDT (link)

Redistricting

proudgop (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 6:05PM EDT (link)

A lot redistricting is being finalized and it appears our biggest headaches are in the so called “Independent Commission States”

California and Arizona look bad for us. Illinois map was finalized and it can cost us as many as 6 seats ( Dold, Walsh, Biggert, Schilling, Kingzinger/Manzullo GOP primary-safe sear, Schilling, Johnson)

Texas, Florida, New York have yet to be finalized.

The GOP has been able to make many tossup/lean GOP states in favored states

 
 
 

Redistricting: Dangerous Game

saulpaulson (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 6:23PM EDT (link)

This is an excellent post. You never hear people make the connection between the Pelosi Agenda and today’s redistricting.

Still though, I remain deeply opposed to the redistricting game, even if it is helping our side. Ohio is not a state that is 75% republican and a map that enshrines that advantage is just bad for democracy. People may hate the other side, but they still have a right to representation.

Moreover, keep in mind that that which one party does today the other will be able to do tomorrow. What if in 2020 the Dems get to make a map that gives them a 14D:2R advantage?

I think we really need to start thinking about electoral reform for the House that takes power away from the map-makers and returns power to the people.

be careful how that is done

proudgop (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 6:25PM EDT (link)

I rather have legislatures draw the maps then judges and for that matter even these so called Independent Commissions.

No Commissions

saulpaulson (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 7:05PM EDT (link)

I completely agree that letting independent commissions or judges draw the lines would be a huge mistake.

I more and more find myself thinking we need some type of propotional voting for the House. Such systems definitely have their problems too, but there is a real problem when in so many states either party may get a majority of the votes and only end up with 20-30% of the states delegation.

 
 

12:4 is not as bad as it seems

dpmapper (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 6:38PM EDT (link)

The “natural” map in most states is a slight Republican gerrymander as it is. Part of this is the Voting Rights Acts, which mandates that minorities often get packed into seats. Another is the fact that Dem voters often cluster into very dense nodes.

Dems can’t make a 4:12 map in Ohio without some extraordinarily ugly contortions.

Very Good Point

saulpaulson (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 7:18PM EDT (link)

You are definitely right that the VRA creates a natural republican tilt.

However, the ugly contortions are already in all the maps, especially in the new NC map. Making even uglier contortions would not be a big step.

Plus it may not be that hard for the other side to do. For example, both central Dallas and central Raeligh are sliced into districts that extend outward including large suburban and rural areas. This ensures that the voting power those urban dems are not enough to win any of the districts they are in. You could easily tweak these by removing some of the “extension” portions and making the slicing not so great and that would then swing power to the urban voters. So in Dallas you might go from a 4R;1D to a 3D:2R

I actually agree with you about the gerrymander problem.

Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 7:57PM EDT (link)

I’m not really happy about the fact that the GOP has essentially cut a deal with the CBC to guarantee the latter’s seats, not least because I think that we can actually WIN minority urban voters. But… we have this existing situation, and it’s not likely to change any time soon.

 
 
 
 

Very Good Point

saulpaulson (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 7:17PM EDT (link)

You are definitely right that the VRA creates a natural republican tilt.

However, the ugly contortions are already in all the maps, especially in the new NC map. Making even uglier contortions would not be a big step.

Plus it may not be that hard for the other side to do. For example, both central Dallas and central Raeligh are sliced into districts that extend outward including large suburban and rural areas. This ensures that the voting power those urban dems are not enough to win any of the districts they are in. You could easily tweak these by removing some of the “extension” portions and making the slicing not so great and that would then swing power to the urban voters. So in Dallas you might go from a 4R;1D to a 3D:2R.

No joke about gerrymandering in NC

lineholder (Diary) Friday, December 23rd at 8:13PM EDT (link)

I live in NC District 12, home of the famous (or extremely infamous, depending on your viewpoint) Mel “I’m-not-a-nerd” Watts! It’s the long-thin strip of land that runs up the I-85 corridor. Specially designed for Mr. Watts, and there’s been no one, and I do mean NO ONE, who’s been able to challenge him for years (seems like since the days that Noah built the ark!!)

You can’t really “tweak” this district. The demographics have been a changing a bit during the past decade. Just not enough to get him out of office.

 
 

2 Big ?s

freemanja1991 (Diary) Saturday, December 24th at 12:27AM EDT (link)

1. How bad are the 4 dem leaning districts? The Columbus based one in particular, and The Kaptur v Kucinich district. (What are their respective estimated PVIs?)

2. In NJ how do Holt’s & Pallone’s Districts change D+?, both had tight races in 10, so even if they are still marginally dem if they are in distircts they must fight for that will be great.

NJ

proudgop (Diary) Saturday, December 24th at 1:05AM EDT (link)

Holt district is a lot safer now via Redistrict Twitter
Lance (R) goes from 49.1% McCain in ’08 to 52.5% McCain. On other side of ledger: #NJ12 Holt (D) goes from 58% Obama to 65%

Smith (R) goes from 52% McCain to 53% by losing Trenton & Burlington, adding more Monmouth. Slight help for Rs if he retires

Garrett (R) goes from 45.5% Obama under current lines to 48% Obama under new lines = not great for Rothman (D)

Cherry Hill, moved to Andrews’ #NJ01 from Runyan’s (R) #NJ03, voted 62-37% for Obama in ’08 & 59-39% for Adler in ’10

Thanks but....

freemanja1991 (Diary) Saturday, December 24th at 8:13PM EDT (link)

What about Pallone? And does anyone know how bad the 4 dem leaning Ohio seats are?