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NH Romney surrogate tells us to settle for his candidate.

Via CNS (via Hot Air) comes this ‘argument’ from NH Romney supporter and state Senator Gary Lambert. To summarize it, Lambert wants us all to sit down, shut up, and endorse Romney despite the fact that Lambert himself is tacitly conceding that Romney does not share conservatives’ principles and beliefs.

No, really.

The video from CNS is down, but somebody put it up on YouTube:

Here’s the takeaway quote, at about the two minute mark:

Here’s the takeaway quote:

“This is not about picking your favorite, it’s not about picking someone you like. It’s not about picking someone even with your own beliefs and principles. This is about picking a person that can beat Barack Obama, period.”

No. It. Is. Not. If that’s all we cared about, we’d go to Hillary Clinton, bluntly tell her that if she wants to run on a unity ticket we’d give her the nomination via a brokered convention, and then go on to win the election handily… yes, I certainly hope that the very idea is giving my readers conniptions; it’s supposed to. There is more at stake in this election than defeating one man. What is actually at stake here is the resolution of the question How do we get ourselves out of this mess that eighty years of steadily-increasing government has gotten us into? – and I for one will not meekly sit down and shut up because a New Hampshire state legislator wants to shut the clock down less than a week after the primary season starts. There are rules, there is a process, and if I was inclined to shut down my critical faculties and simply anoint a God-King I’d have stayed a Democrat and voted for Barack Obama.

The Romney campaign needs to improve its message discipline. Like, yesterday. Because I know that while they’re probably discounting my opinion, I’m not going to be the only person who reacts this way to that video. And while those people will probably* join me in endorsing Romney if he becomes the nominee, this is no way to make them be enthusiastic about the process.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

*You cannot count on that, though. The GOP is the Party That Herds The Cats. And its members, not being Democrats, react badly to heavy-handed attempts at emotional blackmail. Fair warning.

COMMENTS

  • Tbone

    pissant states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina are to effing stupid to support a successful, conservative Republican Governor over a too old, too fat, too big government, too horny failed ex-Speaker or a whiny, big government failed ex-Senator.

    If you are one of these idiots you deserve Obama but you may get lucky and get Mitt Romney. You sure as heck ain’t getting Newt or whiney Ricky.

    And that is reality.

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    To me it seems like the audio is way off… if it is real then wow… just the way he speaks is really spooky in itself before getting into the arrogance of the message he’s trying to shove on the voters in the room there…

    The arrogant way he’s putting his message he’s putting out would make me think twice about voting for anyone he was endorsing. Just glad he’s not endorsing someone else, like anyone not Romney.

    Plus, did I mention -> what a creepy video… really, maybe it was just me but it seemed creepy on different levels. Whether real or not it’s just absolutely creepy to watch.

  • tngal

    Or the equivalent thereof? But, I don’t like peas.

  • SoFiMil

    Spoken like a beauty queen contestant. No substance on the issues.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    I saw the original one from CNS and he said the same thing there,

  • tngal

    But its the go-to phrase when demanded to do something we may be a bit rresistant to doing.

  • Locke

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/01/05/mitt-romneys-rino-austerity-economics-make-him-least-electable/

  • SoFiMil

    I like to come back with, “*If* Perry would beat Obama in the general election, would you vote for Perry in the primary?”

    Forces them to focus on the issues, and not “winning” or “losing.”

  • thirstyboots

    I don’t think Lambert was talking in terms of policy beliefs and principles, rather more personal ones.

    It was about how allowing charisma and identity politics to drive one’s choice can be pernicious.

    Let’s face it: if Romney was a southern, liked to hunt and carry guns, talked about God a lot and engaged in public prayers, he’d be seen rather differently by lots of people even if his record was exactly the same. The fact that he’s a very urban, northeastern, Harvard graduate and kind of secular in his public life affects the way many perceive him.

  • SoFiMil

    : )

  • circlegranch

    All these brillant people in high elected offices and sitting in comfy chairs around the desks on Fox News sets better be right. They are guaranteeing Romney wins. They’ve done an excellent job thus far of ramming a highly mistrusted and unpopular candidate down our necks, so hopefully they have an even better strategy for selling him to the rest of the country in the general.

    If the image they see in their magic crystal balls doesn’t happen to turn out and Romney loses, the country spirals into decline and its on their heads. It may be only then that a true house cleaning and purging of the stale, failed concepts of how to win that the ruling class continues to perpetuate.

  • westcoastpatriette

    when Lambert –eyes darting around like a trapped animal — explains that the reason we must vote for Romney is because he is the only one that can get democrats and independents to vote for him. Gag me.

    What a sorry, slimy way to try to convince Republicans to vote for the worst candidate running in terms of being a solid conservative.

  • WORD_WARRIOR

    Whats the game? The left/right PARADIGM has tainted and corrupted this Country, long enough!! SORRY, MR. PRESIDENT… We The People … wont give you the candidate of YOUR CHOICE to run against!!!

    The most recent thing they covered up and now MSNBC is whitewashing?? ROMNEY WAS BORN IN MEXICO!!! Only 1 parent is legally a citizen!! Somehow Forbes whitewash, is.. if your heart is in America, you are legal?? A mormon camp in MEXICO, makes you a citizen?? His grandfather being a citizen, in his time, noone asked!! But, MITTS DADDY IS A CITIZEN OF MEXICO!!

    HE IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!!! While we are at it, neither is RUBIO!!! READ the constitution again, buddy!!

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    Lambert refused to support NH’s withdrawal of the Northeast Regional Green House Gas initiative. He is a RINO with a flippant attitude. He is not worth a front page article on RedState

    He lives in a Democrat district which looks to be more Democrat after redistricting. If I had to bet he is probably gone in November.

  • bs61

    and throwing things at the TV! Apparently we are idiots?!

  • bs61

    Man!

  • WORD_WARRIOR

    READ THE CONSTITUTION!!! Stop the whitewash!!! and, lies!!!

    MITT ROMNEY, IS INELIGIBLE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT!! He is not a natural born citizen!! period!! You press people will soon be irrelevant, in this country, if you dont stop putting your agendas, ABOVE THE COUNTRY!!! No more coverups!! Do some research!!!

    We are fed up with you constitutional – misinterpreters!!!

    No more tricking America!!! That goes for all you politicians!!!

  • SoFiMil

    Kill the ALL CAPS in your posts and your name. It’s ironically annoying.

  • kindredsoul

    Just sayin’.

  • kindredsoul

    nt

  • nancysabet

    RICK PERRY’S INTERNET STRIKE FORCE: OMG…this is sooooo awesome..lyric of NEW SONG FOR PERRY by
    Rebecca Winterowd, coming soon to your nearest Y-Tube
    “Perry Woman” (to the tune of “Redneck Woman” by Grethchen Wilson)
    Lyrics by Dan Winterowd

    … Well I ain’t never been the ‘Obama Girl’ type
    No I can’t stand pay for play, I rather shoot straight and right!
    … In Austin, there’s a cowboy, Rick Perry is his name
    He’s got friends in his camp like Forbes, Gatlin and Strait!
    Some people look down on him, but he don’t give a rip
    He’ll stand tall in his boots and shoot straight from the hip!

    Chorus
    ’cause I’m a Perry woman- I ain’t no far left broad
    I’m just a product of my raisen’- I say ‘hey y’all’ and ‘yee-haw’
    Real men are my passion and they have been all along
    And I know all the words to every Ted Nugent song!
    So here’s to President Perry, a real Tea Party Dream
    Let me get a big ‘hell yeah’ from the Perry Girls like me- hell yeah!

    Solyndra secrets, well that stuffs not right
    We need a man with a real jobs plan- get us back workin’ overnight!
    And still cut spendin’, balance budgets and a tax cut for all you see
    Send Congress home, have’em work part time- They’ll answer to you and me!
    Well you might think he’s handsome, gun totin’ and hardcore
    But in my neck of the woods he’s just the man next door!

    (Do you really think Mitt can get any treat like this ever?)

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    maybe if you add more exclamation points and caps lock you’d be more convincing.

  • jakeofalltrades

    *** **** you Iowa!

  • concap

    If a person is not 100% for the Constitution, they are not part of the problem, they are the problem.
    Being right of center, does not make you Constitutional.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Tell them you support ethanol and burning non-Christians at the stake and then when called on it in later primaries, just point out the Lie to Iowa Rule.

  • acat

    he’d be Buddy Roemer.

    Mew

  • johnCV

    We should vote for him simply because he’s inevitable?

    0bama’s a anti-American communist. Romney is neither of those things, so that makes him better than 0bama by a long shot. However if I had cancer and I had a choice of either taking a shot of sulfuric acid or penicillin, I would obviously take the penicillin because it’s far superior to the sulfuric acid. The only problem is that the penicillin will do nothing to cure the underlying disease.

    You’re suggesting we take the penicillin. Not going to do it.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    The man was born in Detroit, dumb*ss.

  • jakeofalltrades

    ahhhh.

  • ss396

    nt

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    needs to figure out one very important thing:

    THAT DOG WON’T HUNT.

    I won’t be throwing my “beliefs and convictions” out the window. Period. There’s conscience involved here and I’m not falling for what Moe so accurately described as “emotional blackmail.” Mr. Lambert can take that to the bank.

  • ss396

    If he was a southern, gun-carrying hunter, preaching a different message from a different perspective he would be somebody else. Are we supposed to project our own personal dreams and desires onto the person of Romney, irrespective of who/what he is?

    Wasn’t that tried, and isn’t that the fundamental problem, with the current WH resident?

  • Samsara

    In 2008, what was left of the GOP establishment backed a candidate whose strength was national defense, just as the nation?s attention was turning from the wars to the economy. Now they are going to run Mr. “I can fix the economy” just as the economy is about to turn.

    Your right, if Romney loses after the heavy handed tactics many GOP insiders have used, they will have some “splanin” to do. But “splanin” and “spinin” is what they specialize in. And the base is the base because they keep buying it, not much choice.

    The speaker has one thing right, the only thing uniting the GOP at this point is Obama.

  • pacajka

    Senator Lambert is just another NE Republican who would be a RINO anywhere south of Maryland. He just wants to be part of the Reince’s Get Along Gang.
    If this is his personal opinion stated in front of the Nashua NH REC, that’s okay. If he’s trying to herd the cats to Cousin Mitt, back off. Let the GOP & independents make their own choice after listening to everybody. Herd the cats after the nomination is sealed with delegate counts or the convention.
    I guess that’s why I’m a district manager in my county. I herd cats around the house everyday.

    Go Rick Santorum! That’s my personal opinion.

  • annie54

    and I’ve asked the campaign to come out with “Perry Posse” bumper stickers, even flags for cars, etc etc. What they’re offering now is really boring. We need our own unique gear.

    Perhaps RedState would be interested in promoting something like that.

    We really have to pray for Perry tonight. He won’t get much ‘time’ but when he is given some, he’s got to come across with SLAM, BAM, THANK YOU MA’AM.

  • thirstyboots

    To me, it’s irrelevant if the guy is a southern or not, if he talks about God or not, if he carries a gun or not.

    To many people, it isn’t.

    It’s identity politics, just like the Democrats have.

    To me, policy is way more important than that stuff.

  • acat

    Really?

    Seriously?

    What’s so hard to accept about Romney’s lack of appeal being because Romney sucks?

    He’s waffled on abortion and the second amendment and a raft of other issues.

    Romney has been linked to dubious GOP insiders (Kjellander) and is clearly getting preferential treatment (VA ballot) from the establishment.

    He’s thumbed his nose at conservatives since 2006. (He’s been running since 2006 as well)

    Romney lost to John McCain, arguably the worst candidate we’ve had since Bob Dole.

    Your assertion that it’s because Romney doesn’t hunt, doesn’t talk about god, and isn’t southern is weak at best. Why not just go all in and claim it’s because he’s not an evangelical?

    Mew

  • msbs05

    but he lost the race all on his own. Although his ideas were correct, he did not possess the skills to get the message across. It doesn’t make someone an idiot to have left his camp for a more articulate candidate. Your words against those looking for other choices are harsh. Newt has done good work for the conservative movement, even you must acknowledge that fact. He was more conservative than most around him when he served as speaker. He has grown more conservative with time, like most of us. Santorum is the same. He has compromised on some votes in order to get important conservative issues passed, but he does not deserve your description.
    I am beginning to believe Santorum is the perfect candidate to bring both conservative social issues and fiscal issues to Obama in this election. Many write Santorum off because of his social issues, which will be labeled extreme by the press. I think he is the perfect candidate just because of this, Santorum alone can turn this back onto Obama, whose stance on abortion would make most Americans recoil in horror. Whenever asked about “extreme” abortion stance, Santorum only has to say his stance polls in the mainstream, while Obama support for not only late term abortion, but his votes to deny a baby medical care when it survives the abortion is barbaric, cruel and extreme. Romney will never make that point as he tends to apologize for his conservative positions when around liberal. Newt is prolife but his past makes the moral high ground more difficult. Santorum has lived the moral life most of us have failed to live. Although he personally is against birth control, he has said he would not force that view on others. However, when it comes to saving a child’s life he has never compromised, regardless what Paul says. His views are mainstream, his fight to accomplish the important task of saving children remarkable. I wish I had done as much as him. Obama’s views are so extreme they make people sick to their stomachs when visualizing a small baby thrown alive into a garbage bag, denied medical care, and thrown away. It is hard to imagine anyone being so cruel, but our president not only is, but advocates otherrs should be also.
    Additionally Santorums economic positions appeal to blue collar democrats, because he has the only plan to bring back manufacturing to the country.
    We not Romney types should not bash the only conservative choices left in the race, but support them while we choose one to run against Romney. I’ll take any of them, but like Santorum’s chance to beat Obama once America has seen the choice.

  • renl57

    “How do we get ourselves out of this mess that eighty years of steadily-increasing government has gotten us into?”

    Sorry, that is NOT the issue of 2012, and I am NOT interested in deciding whom to support based on that.

    We are running against Obama and the mess that he created.

    Let me repeat that:
    We are running against Obama.

    Not LBJ.
    Not JFK.
    Not FDR.
    And not Woodrow Wilson.

    A conservative is someone who believes in cautious, gradual progress.

    Only a reactionary dreams of the day when we can all go back to the 1920s.

    There is plenty wrong with how Obama has run the Presidency. More than enough to give voters a good reason to fire him.

    But re-litigating the New Deal–for the umpteenth time–is not something I care to do in the middle of an election year.

    How to deal with the entitlements issue and how to deal with the general issue of Leviathan are issues that our country is going to have to have a real discussion about–once it has decided to be rid of Obama.

    Not before.

  • renl57

    …must endure the anguish of bearing the rapist’s child is not “the mainstream.”

  • origami

    If he wins the nomination then I’m leaving that part of my ballot blank. If we’re lucky we’ll hold on to the tea party congressmen.

  • deltazelda

    I’m in the Florida panhandle and there’s no improvement here.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • thirstyboots

    I’m starting to picture you as Sean Penn in that movie about Nixon.

    I’m not really sure why do you think Romney has a lack of appeal. The world outside is a lot bigger than RedState – as Perry results show. Romney leads the polls with republicans, does a lot better than anyone else versus Obama and has better favorable than any other candidate with republicans, independents or democrats.

    Obviously identity politics work both ways. Do you think a guy like Haley Barbour wouldn’t be hurt in, say, New Hamphsire or the Philadelphia suburbs?

  • giatny

    Obama has made it clear, he has decided to be
    KING and dare Congress, the courts and the people
    to protest. Whether the tea party and conservatives
    admit is or not, social issues are NOT the primary
    issues of the day. Unless the Constitution, the
    rule of law, sovereignty, and free enterprise are
    protected NOW, nothing else will matter. It’s
    either Romney or Obama period.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Romney will have an uphill battle to fight with all the Conservative RINOs that will be staying home on election day if he is nominated.

  • msbs05

    but if you can ignore the child being denied medical care and dying alone in a garbage bag, over the nonphysical stress of bearing the child of rape, well then there is something not mainstream about you either. Bet you are all about saving the whales though!

  • acat

    This has proven, historically, to be a bad way to choose our standard-bearer.

    Ford, Bush 1.0, Dole, McCain, Romney, the “it’s my turn” chorus aren’t particularly skilled at leadership or particularly conservative, they’re just .. next in line.

    You’re right, the world is bigger than Red State. It’s also bigger than the D.C. echo chamber that’s declared it to be Willard’s turn.

    Yes, Haley Barbour – who I liked before he dropped out – would have struggled in New Hampshire – but they’re just as useless as a metric as Iowa has proven.

    Barbour would have done just fine in rural Pennsylvania, and based on his stated positions, would probably have closed the deal with Bucks County et al.

    The problem you are unwilling to face, thirstyboots, is that Romney’s focus-group-tested weasel-worded positions turn people off, they don’t generate any excitement, they’re too calibrated, too slick, too overproduced. They don’t appeal because they seem plastic and phony, like something out of hollyweird.

    Romney had the same problem in 2008, and lost to McCain – who was able to come across as a genuine person… even though he was a lousy candidate. Think about that.

    Mew

  • thirstyboots

    In any case, there are plenty of conservatives who don’t dislike Romney. I often see suggested that conservatives supported Romney in 08 to stop McCain but won’t support him versus Obama, which is a bit hilarious. Every primary people fantasize about part of the base not showing up but it never happens.

    Anyway, the point here is the impact that identity politics have on who conservatives like or dislike. I mean, one has to laugh when reading stuff like “Santorum will appeal to blue collar democrats because he’s pro-union and pro-welfare. And at least he isn’t a RINO like Romney!”.

    There are better examples than Romney though: for example, many in this site called Mitch Daniels a RINO.

  • jakeofalltrades

    He’s Bob Dole mixed with McCain and ethical turpitude minus the heroism and personal sacrifice for America.

  • thirstyboots

    To find out who has more support in a very wide electorate.

    What you fail to get is that some people like loud politicians like Perry; some others – say, in the northern suburbs or in the midwest – are way more comfortable with “overproduced” guys like Romney. What seems slick to a man seems polished to other, what seems honesty to one, seems recklessness to other.

    And Reagan was a “next guy in line” candidate too. So was, in a way, George W. Bush (even though he had never run before).

  • acat
  • renl57

    If I thought that Perry had a good chance to beat Obama in the general, I would definitely support him.

    But I don’t.
    I’ve seen enough of Perry live on TV to know that he can’t win either Ohio or Florida or Michigan or Pennsylvania. And without at least one or two of those four, no Republican candidate can win the White House.

  • acat

    In 1976, Reagan lost to Gerald Ford, who lost to Jimmy Carter. Reagan was not the “next in line guy”.

    In 1980, Reagan – who had been campaigning since 1977 – *narrowly* defeated George H. W. Bush, and so offended the Establishment that they persuaded John Anderson to run in the general as a “not-Reagan Republican”. Reagan crushed Anderson i party by making Bush his veep. Reagan was still not the “next in line guy”, Bush was.

    Bush had to wait 8 years.. ran once as Reagan’s Heir, and then lost to Clinton, in part because he so angered the fiscal conservatives that they flocked to Ross Perot. (a better candidate would have found a way, a solid ficon veep forex, to crush Perot)

    Tell me, thirstyboots, how Romney would deal with a third-party opponent. We saw how Reagan crushed one, we saw how Bush failed to do so. What do you think Wafflin’ Willard would do?

    Mew

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    Supporting cap and trade goes against the NH GOP platform. RGGI adds to every bodies electric bill for bogus junk science. Chris Christie has called for NJ to abandon RGGI. Unfortunately NH has not abandoned RGGI because of RINO jerks like Lambert sustaining the Dem Governor’s veto.

  • thirstyboots

    Because you have no respect for facts.

    RINO alert
    tenntom Thursday, May 5th at 10:04AM EST (link)

    Daniels is a RINO.

    Right in the first return produced by a simple google search:
    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/05/05/mitch-daniels-the-anti-tea-party-candidate/

    Erick, you’re absolutely right on Daniels
    20jan2013 (Diary) Thursday, May 5th at 10:22AM EST (link)

    We can do better than a truce-loving, anti-Israel, Lugar-supporting charisma-less, anti-tea-party moderate RINO.

    Apparently he was also the anti-Tea Party candidate for Erick Erickson, for whatever reason.

    Now, if Daniels was a southern, talked about God all the time and promoted public prays and carried guns and had THE EXACT SAME RECORD (arguably to the right, even in social issues, of every governor in the country), would he be called a RINO?

    Heck, one of those guys calling Daniels a RINO said he was praying for Huckabee to enter the race. And BillS said he was praying for “an evangelical”.

    If this isn’t about identity politics, what is it? I’m not even sure why is this controversial, it is what it is. People just like to vote for those who share their world-views, ways of living and personal believes.

  • thirstyboots

    Regan was the prohibitive favorite in 1980. Bush was just a nobody running. It was a huge surprise when Bush won the Iowa caucus. He had a Santorum like campaign while Reagan was already focused on the general. If you don’t know how things happened, at least don’t make up stuff.

    As Sean Trende recently explains, the idea that the GOP establishment isn’t conservative is laughable. It already was n 1980, let alone now. But the primary voters are way less conservative than the establishment.

  • Tbone

    By example: “Santorum has lived the moral life most of us have failed to live”

    How do you know this as fact? You don’t. You are projecting.

    “Santorums economic positions appeal to blue collar democrats”

    If true, he wouldn’t have lost by 18 points in his Senate race.

    Your post is so full of crap it is funny..

  • acat

    The answer to your question is precisely the reaction to Huckabee, or to this year’s Huckabee, Santorum.

    The simple facts, thirstyboots, are that Romney is a candidate with deep flaws; he will struggle to excite the electorate, he will need a consistent, vocal conservative opposition if he is nominated and elected, and his negatives will cost us some down-ticket races.

    Mew

    p.s. for the record, neither Bill S. nor Erick E. used the term “RINO”.

  • thirstyboots

    Off the guys running, Romney is easily the most electable candidate (sans Huntsman… but people don’t know him, so it’s difficult to say how electable he’d be) and the one who will provide better coattails-

    And you don’t need to tell me Romney is deeply flawed. Unlike many “conservatives” (including many here), I never called Romney a conservative and never will. Unlike you, I’m capable of non-emotional analysis. I’m not here to cheer-lead or advocate. I reflect from a neutral perspective; if that isn’t nice for your candidate – I admit I’ve been tough to Perry because I’ve always said he didn’t have the talent to run for president, even before he was running – deal with it.

    Unless all the pollsters are wrong and you have anecdotal evidence that’s more reliable. But we’ve already seen how your anecdotal evidence worked on Iowa for Perry.

    Plus, nobody said Bill S or Erick called Daniels a RINO. I said he was called in this blog and provided proof. You said he wasn’t, which shows you were lying. Not a surprise.

  • trickamsterdam

    Finishing second (especially a close second) in the previous primary is how it’s defined. Otherwise, why would Romney be?

    You forgot Nixon was a next in line guy. Two terms. You, bizarrely, include Ford as a next in line guy even though he was the incumbent…that would be like saying Obama is the next in line.

    Terrible logic…and I’m shocked and surprised that someone of your debating skills would use terrible logic. Clearly this is a sign that the world really is coming to an end in 2012…oh, wait, you always use terrible logic. Never mind.

    Bush 41 was the next in line and he won. His record looks better to me in retrospect…anyway a single party has only kept the White House four times in a row once in the past century. He could’ve been great and still lost.

    So if we’re talking about winning, the “next in line” does quite well. And since Reagan obviously fits that phrase to everybody but you, they can govern well as well.

    The only real question is why people get in these dances w/ you, when you are as immune to facts as Superman is to bullets.

    Perhaps it’s some pre-Lent penance for thirstyboots? I’m only doing it now because the claim that Reagan wasn’t a “next in line” case was simply too ridiculous to go unchallenged…

  • Spartan4Life

    I’ll take him seriously when he stops dressing like a sophomore named Chip.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Acat, claws his arms off.

  • oldlady

    They tell us that we must vote for their pre-annointed RINO candidate after he gets through the farce that we call a primary (which usually means wins the first 2 or 3 states) because if we don’t it’s like voting for the Democrat candidate. Apparently the mandarin’s have started the drumbeat their ”we must vote for the lessor of two evils” mantra already. Like others here I’ve drawn the line in the sand with this election. I WILL NOT be used again. If Romney is the candidate I will leave the Presidential vote on my ballot blank and then vote for the others down ballot. When are we conservatives going to make a stand?

  • thirstyboots

    And George HW Bush as the candidate of the establishment or “next in line”.

    Reagan was leading in all polls with huge margins over John Connally and Howard Baker and conservatives had a firm control of most party structures. Bush sudden surge in Iowa was completely unexpected and made him Reagan’s most formidable opponent for the nomination. But for the longest time it was thought that the primary wouldn’t be more than a formality.

  • gekster

    You said:
    “Romney is easily the most electable candidate (sans Huntsman? but people don?t know him”,

    The reality thirsty, is we DO know him.
    We know ALL about him, as do many others.
    Hence is only getting mid 20s in the polls,
    and I would say his recent little bump is from nieve people who do not reaserch the candidates, but vote for who leads in the polls and such.

    But it won’t matter to you, your narrow blinders you wear when viewing facts won’t let you see.

  • reggie182

    It just turned out that the “next in line guy” happened to be the right guy that time around.

    Reagan ran in 1968 and lost to Nixon.

    He ran against Ford for the nomination and did well historically, but did not win.

    So 1980 rolls around….and who do you think the “next in line” guy was?

  • reggie182

    The idea that a rape victim would be legally forced to carry her assailant’s child for nine months is abhorrent.

    A woman who becomes pregnant while engaging in consensual behavior does make a choice of sorts. She knows the risk and accepts it.

    That’s not the case with a rape victim. It’s an extreme position to force her to have that child, and any candidate who adopts such a view cannot win in the general election.

  • thirstyboots

    Not really sure what you’re trying to say amidst all that anger and bitterness, but my point is that Huntsman may be more electable (as in, more well liked by the general election voters) than Romney – we don’t really know though because Huntsman isn’t well known enough so the data we have isn’t robust enough.

  • oldlady

    I just saw one of Ron Paul’s spokesmen being interviewed on FOX by Greg Jarrett. Jarrett was drilling down on whether or not Paul was going to run as a 3rd party candidate and, if so, didn’t that mean that Obama would win. Paul’s spokesperson said…. What’s the difference? Obama’s top donor is Goldman Sachs and they are Romney’s top donor too! And that both Romney and Obama would protect the Fed. Interesting food for thought.

  • circlegranch

    Santorum is the Mister Rogers candidate.

  • texabama

    because the MSM has told us he does for the past 2 years. It has now become a self-fulfilling prophecy because most voters know absolutely nothing about the candidates they vote for. They merely listen to 5-10 minutes of news every so often and the name they hear most is the one they go with thinking they’re backing the winner just like their everyone else.

    That’s also why Santorum is now running second. They heard he won in Iowa so….never mind that most people would be totally turned off if they knew his political record….he won Iowa.

  • texabama

    Obama has shown he has no respect for the Constitution or the office of the Presidency. He has grabbed powers that are not his, but who is stopping him? Republicans have got to do more than whine in front of the cameras. My problem with Romney is that I have no faith in his willingness to make dramatic changes in those parts of government where he can—the executive branch.

  • annie54

    by standing by Rick Perry and, above all, praying for him. Prayer is the answer.

    What we don’t want is a brokered convention so that the Elites can put their man in as our candidate. That could very well be the plan. One thing I will not do is support Romney because his Kook tells us to when there has yet to be one vote cast. Iowa was a caucus. Not a Primary!

    As a member of Perry’s Posse, I intend to do as much as is humanly possible together with supernatural help from God.

  • joshdunn

    And then add in the personal indulgences as well and you have a very un-presidential former speaker.

  • joshdunn

    It looks like Romney will sweep the first five states, at which point, one by one, his opponents will start dropping out. I expect Huntsman to drop out after New Hampshire. Romney should get a bump in the polls after this happens.

  • circlegranch

    www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/SantorumsWealth/2012/01/07/id/

    The article calls into question Santorum’s claim that he’s an outsider in Washington. There is a detailed laundry list of the organizations he’s either sat on the board for or served as a consultant–not a registered lobbyist, but a consultant using his insider experience in Congress to advise companies seeking something from the govt. Among the companies he’s been working for since leaving the Senate are a large energy company in PA and a healthcare organization.

  • joshdunn

    He thought that he had to be as far right as possible to compete with Santorum (who is against birth control) and Gingrich (who wants to send our kids to work).

    Perry’s flip-flop on abortion, from supporting the right to choose for rape victims to opposing them having a legal right to an abortion, is a bit too much for me.

    No Republican president in my memory has ever opposed the right of rape victims to have access to an abortion. That is too extreme.

    I know that the child is innocent, but so is the rape victim.

  • thirstyboots

    In the real world most people don’t obsess over politics. Obviously, the primary electorate is a bit more informed than that, but it’s always tempting to blame the voters – easy to figure that whoever your favorite candidate is, he or she isn’t doing well.

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    Just wow…

  • joshdunn

    Romney is a conservative, Obama is a far-left liberal.

    Romney will not raise taxes, Obama will.

    Romney is pro-life, Obama is pro-choice.

    Romney is against SSM, Obama is for it (even if he’s shy about admitting it).

    Romney will allow states to opt out of Obamacare, Obama will not.

    Did I answer your question?

  • gekster

    ?Romney is easily the most electable candidate (sans Huntsman? but people don?t know him?,

    One would think reading comprehension would be easy when reading ones own comment.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and this is our updated battle-plan.

    First, the “analysis” is here…
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/77378886/Perry
    …and the “synthesis” follows.

    Second, we are debating whether to visit S.C. in a fortnight vs. asking if it’s possible to place ‘phone-calls from Philly; we will be eager to provide another “house-call” if our physical presence would make a difference.

    Third, therefore, we will communicate directly with people whose e-mail addresses we acquired in Des Moines after tomorrow’s debate, and the result of that interaction will be shared via RedState; we will be pragmatic/camdid.

    Fourth, everything we’re doing is c/w the advice/experience of Andrew Breitbart in his book “RIGHTeous IndigNATION.”

    Fifth, we concluded Perry’s mantra should be emphasized heavily–with “federalism” references to “Fed Up!” tethered thereto–namely, “I am the only ‘Constitutional Limited Government Conservative’ Candidate!”

    Sixth, without dipping into undue religiosity [which has manifest itself via private e-mail exchanges from another Perry-adherent] or cultural references [which I have derived from noting the triad of appearances of the obelisk in the flick "2001"], suffice to say that motivators to max-out on Perry abound…and are enhanced constantly via external observations.

    Seventh, the FNC-blackout continues noting, for example, the ABSENCE of any mention of the word “Perry” during the ENTIRE discussion of the GOP-POTUS race during the “Wall St. Journal Report” today @ 2 p.m. EST; Guzzardi may be contacting John Fund to probe why….

    Eighth, therefore, we are motivated to compensate by placing an ad in a S.C. Newspaper that simply states what is noted supra [see "Fifth"], followed by something like “…and you KNOW it!”

    Ninth, the magnitude of the forces aligned against Perry only serve to illustrate why he must indeed plan to run a marathon; all those amateur pundits who claim the race will be decided by month’s end are to be ignored for, if nothing else, the war-of-attrition will be won by the last guy standing.

    Tenth, we have begun to explore bringing Perry to Philly for a discussion of med-mal [as a $-raiser], but it may be necessary to delay finalizing such plans until after he has rebounded, for our target-audience [physicians] will need to be reminded of his durability [following review of the after-action reports].

    WE ARE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS!

    *

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because we equate the invitation to capitulate/compromise to the covert desire to entice us to ignore the need, always, to seek-common-ground.

    Romney has consistently eschewed the TEA [Taxed Enough Already] Party Movement, and the ONLY way he would be able to heal these wounds would be to PLEDGE to accept Perry as his Veep-nominee [assuming Perry weren't able to best him during the next few months].

    Furthermore, Romney has ignored the Evangelicals [recall that he skipped the Thanksgiving "Family Leader" confessional hosted by Frank Luntz], again, to his detriment; his Mormonism notwithstanding, he has been “hiding.”

    We have been thinking [as one plays chess] as many “moves ahead” as possible, and there is little doubt that the best metaphor for all of the major forces at-play is the 1980-atmospheric; no other candidate can play the RR-role better than Perry…NO ONE!

    We watched how the military has expressed fealty [and we know there are many retirees and active DoD-personnel who can be invoked; we feel the recent cut-back by Pacifist-BHO has now the potential to cause irrevocable damage to American security...even as potential adversaries are building their armies/navies/air-forces/marines/national-guards [metaphorically, using Iranian entities as examples].

    We wish to appear alarmist when we express fear that no other GOP-candidate projects anywhere NEAR the capacity to maintain American security, as does Perry. Witness how he expressed the need to invoke the Monroe Doctrine during a recent debate…as Ahmadinejad just announced his plan to tour South America.

    We must mobilize, for Perry has our backs…and we need to provide ours ASAP!

  • explodinghead

    Do you know how to post a diary. I have followed the directions but can’t find the supposed button under the masthead. any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …this posting [by circlegranch] “says it all”:

    ain’t it grand? the country is about to go down the tubes and we’re supposed to ‘settle’

    *

    One final observation is in-order:

    We witnessed the dismay when volunteers/staffers felt it was possible the “reassessment” was a prelude to withdrawal. The mood we sensed differed from the “agony of defeat” that has been noted following prior losing-campaigns; there was a steely resolve, an inner sense of confidence that Perry would do-the-right-thing because of the profundity of the task before us.

    Some prayed, others hoped…but whatever we all did, IT WORKED!

    This election-season is like no other. As was noted on today’s “Journal Report” on FNC, BHO has been in non-stop campaign-mode since 1/20/2009 [I'm amplifying commentary, a bit]. Ideology/stridency has supplanted reality/practicality, unabashedly/deceitfully.

    We cannot permit him to prevail for, if nothing else, the SCOTUS hangs in the balance!

    And the other candidates do not promise to “change D.C.” to its core; only Perry is authentic, transparent, consistent, accomplished, ethical, confident, and wise.

    We need him–and only him, at this point–to defend us against enemies, foreign and domestic.

    Let the Force be with him, during these next two debates, as a manifestation of his ability to retool the delivery of his unique/vital Message.

    *

  • explodinghead

    I found the request button muself. Who woulda thunk it? Anyway, thanks y’all.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because it would be helpful to “find” prior notes.

    That’s why I amalgamated my observations [it took some of Thursday and most-all of Friday] as succinctly as possible…

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/77378886/Perry

    …and have drawn from this essay regularly, since that time.

    There had been a period of retooling to be accomplished but, frankly, I didn’t want to push Neil [because he's been so pre-occupied with his overnight analyses of Technology].

  • westcoastpatriette

    and how you back it up with action. As a person who is very limited in what I can do right now (due to personal constraints), I say thank you.

    With respect to your comments about Romney dissing the TEA party and refusing to participate in the Evangelical event with Luntz, I believe this is mainly Romney’s cowardice at play. Fearing that his Mormon faith might become an issue at the latter (either that or he truly does not believe he is an “evangelical” Christian) he excluded himself avoiding any confrontation that might ensue. He also knows that he cannot in honesty carry the Tea Party banner so avoidance of the same is his way of dealing with that reality. Both issues reveal cowardice in his character and one of the things that really turns people off about him.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    I still can’t find it on my home-page.

  • explodinghead

    If you go into your profile click the edit buttin in the top right hand corner. Then go down and you will see a button where you can request a diary. I requested one, so I’ll let you know when it is approved. I too have been looking at what I can do to help perryin south carolina and that is the diary I want to post. Hope this helps.

  • lizzie

    and, I responded in depth, ending with

    “No Excuses. It is what it is” apparently does not apply to the actual Perry campaign.

    it seems that the campaign thinks there is no need to make any attempt to appeal to New Hampshire voters who might check Perry out after the debate.

    It is far more important that every visitor know how desperately they need $250,000 for South Carolina.

    No embeds of his NH Legislature speech. No direct link to RickPerry2012 Youtube channel.

    and, it was suggested, that, if I want to know Perry’s event schedule, I could ask to get added to the press email list, because they are NOT about to start to post his campaign event times and locations on RickPerry.org

    yes, I repeated several times that the campaign website homepage is your “Welcome Mat”

  • lizzie

    and, I responded in depth, ending with

    “No Excuses. It is what it is” apparently does not apply to the actual Perry campaign.

    it seems that the campaign thinks there is no need to make any attempt to appeal to New Hampshire voters who might check Perry out after the debate.

    It is far more important that every visitor know how desperately they need $250,000 for South Carolina.

    No embeds of his NH Legislature speech. No direct link to RickPerry2012 Youtube channel.

    and, it was suggested, that, if I want to know Perry’s event schedule, I could ask to get added to the press email list, because they are NOT about to start to post his campaign event times and locations on RickPerry.org

    yes, I repeated several times that the campaign website homepage is your “Welcome Mat”

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and the sad part about this is that both are easily remediable!

    He would be far better able to allay our angst were he to show a bit of vulnerability for, alternatively, he “promises” to ignore our heartfelt concerns [post-election, were he to emerge victorious].

    That each of the other candidates [Michele, prominently] did otherwise [except ET-Paul] speaks volumes regarding this deficiency.

    *

    BTW, the “obscure” reference to the monoliths in “2001″…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film)
    …are reflected in the fact that Guzzardi and I [and my son] were present on two occasions [Charleston & Des Moines] and may witness a third [Columbia].

    {Recall that the first occurred when humans first used a tool [bone] and the second occurred when a tool [HAL] was poised to “use” humans; the “third” constituted a “reincarnation” [of sorts] that, overall, reflected the aggregate “history” of humans-on-earth.}

    We are so deeply invested in Perry–for reasons y’all know–that these types of errant thoughts/feelings emerge; if expressing them will help motivate others, these postings will have served their purpose.

    *

  • jakeofalltrades

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    thanx

  • Scope

    that they were “desperate” for money to go into SC? or was that your own take. From what I’ve read elsewhere, Perry’s team already budgeted money for SC, which seems to have been his state to take from the get go. Hasn’t every campaign been desperately seeking donations? especially the Santorum campaign begging money to carry him beyond Iowa. Does Gingrich have the money to carry him on in the early states?

  • lizzie

    his campaign website to effectively become the NOT-Romney.

    and dr. sklaroff was posting about Perry in this thread.

    and I am certainly not going to add my disappointment on this to Gov. Perry’s RedState thread because that is now linked at Politico.

    taking a week offline.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Guzzardi and I were advised that it may be wiser to plan to go to Florida [because there is a large untapped Jewish Community that requires re-education]. Will discuss with staff after a follow-up analysis of debates….

  • lizzie

    “The campaign schedule is released via press releases, but not all press releases are posted to our website. You can email press@rickperry.org to ask to be added to our press release email list.
    Regarding the direct link to the YouTube site – there is a media center link right on our home page after you pass through the welcome page – http://www.rickperry.org/media-center/. The NH video is posted there as well as all our other online and TV ads.
    Typically we have our latest video posted online but we do need money to succeed in South Carolina and especially Florida.

    Please let me know if you have any other questions or comments.”

    scope – $250,000 is small change – they also have web ads for that $250,000 everywhere I go online.
    Maybe they have already succeeded in reaching the $250,000 and want to have a bigger number to dispel the rumours they are running dry.

    But one report today had someone (Ray Sullivan maybe) bragging they could pick up $2-3million in Texas real quick.

    I re-iterate – I think it is a mistake to have that $250,000 for South Carolina be what ANYONE will see first, coming to check Perry out after tonight’s debate.

    Obama sent out a dinner invite email that Martin Peretz of The New Republic posted in full and made into a joke in a blogpost. so many liberals hate Peretz, even tho he is still the former owner and editor-in-chief.
    I added in the comment thread the follow-up Obama ‘pleading email’ where they beg supporters to NOT believe Obama has a billion dollars, and then asked for a $10 donation.

    I keep a special emailbox to keep track of what is going on with that campaign.

    The media dissects the quarterly money contest.

    Perry needs to show he raised XXX $$$ AFTER Iowa to soften the blow when he has to report how much he spent..

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Mittens’s own record in MA disagrees with much of your comment.

  • Tbone

    Obama will grow government like a Marxist.

    Romney will appoint liberal judges.

    Obama will appoint radical judges.

    Romney will lie as necessary.

    Obama will lie as a matter of habit.

    Romney will be savaged by the MSM

    Obama won’t.

    Romney has been running for President for the last several years.

    So has Obama.

    It is what they do.

  • bobguzzardi

    Rick Perry is the only Constitution Candidate:

    Limited Government, Strong National Defense, Economic Freedom and Personal Responsibility in the Judeo-Christian Tradition.

    And Everyone Knows It

    Vote What You Know

  • Filibuster Keaton

    If the Romney people would try to persuade the rest of us to come aboard, rather than threatening us to, I might consider it. But time grows short.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    NO TEXT.

  • trickamsterdam

    When the logic of the opponent is diamond-hard and ever-lasting. Even more ever-lasting than your endless posts per day.

    It may be time for you to lose your faith. And just before Lent too! Well…you can always hide in the bottle. You wouldn’t be the first “Jack” or the last.

    “Knave”, is what they used to call, a “Jack”, originally, BTW. I’m sure you can imagine why. ;)

  • jakeofalltrades

  • jakeofalltrades

    Nevermind – you’re on my Hinz list now.

  • trickamsterdam

    “Chinatown”, great ending to a great movie, starring “Jack” Nicholson

    In other words, take it easy, It’s a message board, even if it’s a serious one. But it’s certainly logical to make a list of people you don’t pay attention to/respond to. I can’t argue that.

  • acat

    The nomination process in 1980 was never a sure thing, it was just closer than usual.

    Bush was the “next in line” guy.

    Romney is just the latest Bush, Dole, or McCain.

    You don’t like it, that’s not my problem. ‘s truth, though.

    Mew

  • acat

    No, Reagan wasn’t the “next in line”. Bush was. Else, why was Bush – who had a decent career and would likely be retained by whoever won the nomination – running, if it wasn’t “his turn” ?

    Reagan was the outsider. Look at the D.C. reaction to his candidacy, each time.

    Words have meanings, tricky. I’d expect you to recognize that.

    Mew

  • joshdunn

    When the term “next in line” is used here, acat, it refers to the Republican candidate who was either: (1) the sitting vice president for the incumbent president (e.g. Bush in 1988, Nixon in 1960), or (2) the candidate who took second place in the last open race for president (Reagan in 1980, Dole in 1996, McCain in 2008, Romney in 2012).

    Can the sarcasm. You’re not as clever as you think you are.

  • joshdunn

    Trick has the guts to stand up to the Perry-pushers.

    He’s holding his own, in my opinion. He’s right about Reagan being “next in line” in 1980. And about there being nothing wrong with picking a candidate who knows how to run a nationwide campaign.

  • joshdunn

    But will the revisionists listen to you? Or will they just create their own pseudo-histories?

  • joshdunn

    Romney’s a far cry from a liberal. I’d call him a conservative.

  • joshdunn

    Not unless you move to Texas and he runs for statewide office again.

  • joshdunn

    He’s probably just a plain old liberal democrat who doesn’t want to see his boy Obama get trounced in November.

  • joshdunn

    Romney looks like he’s going to win NH, SC, and Florida in that order. If Perry wants to save a little face, he’s got to win his home state.

  • acat

    gets a bit more .. flexible .. when there isn’t a clear successor.

    Post-Nixon, there were quite a few who should have been in the line but, because of the .. negative association .. weren’t.

    Bush wasn’t splashed. He was an insider. He was an establishment guy. He was the next in line. Are you, perhaps, arguing that the “next in line” should have been Nelson Rockefeller?

    How about, instead of trying to make points on details, you go ahead and tell me how I’m mistaken about Romney.

    Is Willard Romney, the “next in line” guy by your own definition, not an uninspiring milquetoast?

    Has Willard Romney ever found an issue, gun control, abortion, gay marriage, that he’ll pick a single side on?

    Answer me this, joshdunn. Why is it that Romney leads? Could it be that he’s been running for 6 years now, so is the “presumptive front runner” ?

    If we accept your definition, and Reagan was the “next in line” – note, this is hypothetical – Reagan is clearly an exception to the rule.

    The other “next in line” guys I’ve named are D.C. insiders, establishment guys, cabinet guys. Reagan was from the opposite end of the country entirely.

    Tell me again how that makes Romney, an insider since the day he was conceived, the best we can do.

    Pathetic.

    Mew

  • aesthete

    to usurp the establishment. T’wasn’t like established party personalities handed the nomination to Reagan on a silver platter; he and his had to work to wrest the party apparatus from GHWB folks. It would be analogous to a Ron Paul hostile takeover of the GOP today; it would come as a shock to the current establishment, and would have been the result of decades of hard work from an insurgent movement within the party.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …but we’re taking it sequentially.

  • thirstyboots

    As explained, the “people don’t know him” was about Huntsman. My former comment explained this to you. Of course people know Romney. I mean, maybe you should try to read the sentences till the end – “(sans Huntsman? but people don?t know him, so it?s difficult to say how electable he?d be)”.

    Maybe Huntsman is more electable than Romney. But GE voters don’t know Huntsman, so it’s difficult to say how electable Huntsman really is. How hard is this to understand? To you, it’s impossible as we’ve seen.

    I suspect Huntsmann may be a version of Perry, someone that the more people know, the less they like.

  • Spartan4Life

    Just saying.

  • floridaveteran

    I agree, let us have the primaries, ALL the primaries before we crown a nominee.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    And he WILL win again, if Romney is his opponent. At least if Perry doesn’t get the nomination he’ll continue fighting Obama tooth and nail and being the most persistent thorn in Obama’s side, and if Obama turns Dictator on us then at least there will be a safe haven in Texas. And if Perry’s NOT the nominee, people will be wishing he WAS after enduring the first four weeks of Republican Nominee Mitt Romney. Romney will NOT stand up to Obama. At least Perry would call Obama a socialist to his face and people would be jumping out of their seats cheering him on. He wouldn’t hesitate to say the truth about Obama. I have serious doubts that Romney would do the same.