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Barack Obama no longer really even pretending to have faith council.

Not that the President ever really had one, contra this Politico report: what Barack Obama had was a collection of useful idio… ah, “a group of religious organizations that were perhaps a little too trusting of the President’s motives and intentions.” Either way, the Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships was always merely window dressing; the Democrats have always had to grapple with the problem that their rank and file voters have drastically different views on religion than do their self-selected “elite” voters. And by that I don’t just mean differences in policy positions, although that’s certainly true, too: what I primarily mean is that your average Democratic voter is much more likely to love Jesus Christ because He was, well, Jesus Christ – and not because Jesus Christ merely had an interesting take on the social gospel.

As to why it failed… from looking at the article it may be due to the besetting sin of this administration; ineptitude that may have coupled with indifference, but ended up being married off to laziness. Reading between the lines, the administration apparently made the usual mistake of merely starting something with a splash (ineptitude) and not doing the boring scut-work (indifference), secure in the knowledge that if the job was really important then somebody else would feel obligated to take up the slack (laziness). And if nobody did take up the slack, and it turned out that somebody should have – well, that would be a problem for a few years down the road.

It’s amazing how much of this administration’s activities suddenly make almost frightening sense if you simply assume that the President and his top staff all have the mental attitude and work ethic of a new-hire college graduate who hasn’t had it driven home yet that work is not primarily a place where one may freely develop one’s self-esteem.

But I digress. Read the Politico article, if only for the visible head-scratching by Democratic-aligned religious leaders at the way that their ever-so-charismatic Golden Calf from 2008 seems to not have a handle on treating their faiths with more respect. Shockingly, some of them still believe that this was all some sort of mistake… which is an act of faith that would almost be admirable, if only it wasn’t so hysterically sacrilegious.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

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  • libertus

    The council is clearly just a show since it presumably was not consulted on the biggest “law” impacting faith-based organizations this administration has enacted.

    I think the members of the council opposed to BHO’s HHS contraception/abortifacient mandate should call for a council meeting on the subject. If it doesn’t happen, they should resign.

    No administration has so brazenly attacked religious institutions as this one has with the recent HHS mandate — and then the shell-game of the not-really “compromise” was further insult. Unless individual members of the council are allowed to go on record opposing the injustice of the HHS mandate, they should just resign.

  • johnt

    it’s sacrement is power, it’s priesthood, the media, it’s symbol the teleprompter, Rev Wright the cardinal in absentia, and of course, Obama the High Priest.
    The flock, his crusaders,drools a lot and does appear to have violent, temporarily repressed, urges to extreme violence. Religous zeal you may call it.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    except Marxism and his own damn self. He sat in that church because that is what you did to get votes in that part of Chicago.

    He hates Christian Morality, By their deeds shall you know them.

  • renl57

    …the Council was instructed from the very beginning that the two issues of hiring and abortion were off-limits.

    So they knew going in that they could not comment on any policy Obama could form regarding how faith-based organizations could deal with their employees of different faiths.

    And that’s what has brought this issue to a head: If a Catholic organization hires a non-Catholic who has no problems with using birth control herself, her equal and fair treatment conflicts with the right of her Catholic employer to not fund her birth control.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    …he would admit he is an agnostic/atheist.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with being an atheist. In fact, I consider it a virtue.

    I mean, it’s obvious Obama doen’t give a crap about religion (good), but it’s sort of depressing that he has to pretend because our society won’t accept an openly atheist president.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    And it never has been.

  • Tbone

    That is why every moral or ethical question is always relative to “feelings”.

    So, for a liberal to comment on morals is really rather humorous.

  • Tbone

    agnostic.

  • Tbone

    It’s called the Muslim Brotherhood.

  • http://brainshavings.com Puddle_Pirate

    Just curious. There not being a God and all. Seems kinda silly to talk about “right” or “wrong” if no eternal uncaused source of morals exists.

  • GOP Politix

    he would lose his integrity.

    On a serious note, another mask has been removed!! How much longer will it be before people see through each of his facades? We have the Fast & Furious ‘scandal’, Solyndra and Media Matters. Those are just the top three that come to mind. And there were many that preceded those. Hopefully the Kool-Aid these Democrats have been doling out will run out soon.

  • westcoastpatriette

    This should be fun…and short lived.

  • http://brainshavings.com Puddle_Pirate

    Yup. When an atheist lib says “X is immoral,” he’s saying “I don’t prefer X today.”

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    ?That which is hateful to you, do not unto another: This is the whole Torah. The rest is commentary .?

    Rabbi Hillel

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    You believe the stories or holy book that you were taught or happen to have chosen. There is no such thing as a unviersal religious moral code or even a universal Christian morality.

    The founding despised Catholics, for instance.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    nt

  • streiff

    that may be the “the whole Torah” but the Torah is God’s word. So you do need God.

    Sure you can have a morality without God, it just won’t be Judeo-Christian morality because absent God’s ability to punish malefactors the Golden Rule, or the “whole Torah”, is a game for chumps and idiots.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    The 1204 Catholic considered it moral to massacre the Orthodox in the streets of Constantinople.

    In the 1520s Catholic paragon Thomas More thought it was moral to burn Protestants alive.

    In the 30 Years War Protestants believed it was moral to murder Catholics.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    You are only moral because you fear Hell?

  • Vegas_Rick

    wow

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    How else should I read that comment?

    Also, you invoked Judeo/Christian morality. There is no such thing as one fixed Judeo/Christian morality. Religious moral codes are as varied and arbitrary as you can get.

  • demsaresatanic

    Those libs sure are smart.

  • Scope

    Yes WCP, this ought to be fun, if some choose to play with his posts. Somehow I don’t think it will even get that far.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Jesus’ crucifixion.

    So what?

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    Or to assume atheism and morality are somehow incompatible. That’s all I’m saying.

  • Vegas_Rick

    or commenter for that matter.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    It’s relative to a constantly shifting and changing standard.

    If Christian morality is so diffuse, so variegated, and so subject to mutation, how can you claim that it is at the same time that it is immutable and eternal as Puddle_Pirate did.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    Explain how I misunderstood what you said.

    Divine punishment is not a necessary motivator for moral action. Do you agree or disagree?

  • westcoastpatriette

    Why don’t you move along now? You’re boring me.

  • streiff

    if you had a passing acquaintance with your own, or any other, religion you’d know that. But alas, alack, it is my fate to have to read idiots in my spare time.

  • streiff

    there is a very firm Judeo Christian morality. Heck, there have been books written on it.

    I suggest you stop this self beclowning before it enters its terminal stage.

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    “Sure you can have a morality without God, it just won?t be Judeo-Christian morality”

    Fiirst, there is no such thing as Judeo-Christian morality. Judaism and Christianity are totally different. Second, duh. The argument made by Puddle_Pirate was that you can’t have morality without an “eternal code.” That’s obviously rubbish.

    “because absent God?s ability to punish malefactors the Golden Rule, or the ?whole Torah?, is a game for chumps and idiots.”

    I don’t agree with this. why would you assume an outside force rather than just the much more logical answer: people don’t randomly kill one another in polite society because society has evolved to prevent that behavior. A group of people that are able to live without constantly looking over their shoulders for a neighbor with a knife will be a more productive society than a group of people that have to dedicate substantially more resources to self-preservation, and the former group has a pretty easy time killing the latter group, seizing their women, and raising the next generation with similar societal morals.

    In more basic terms, our moral values represent the moral values that kept us alive as opposed to the people with less effective moral values

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    Actually. I know more about Christianity (at least ca. 1450-1660)than 90 percent of Christians, probably.

  • Common_Cents

    If anyone bothered to take 2 minutes to get past “The One” and “Rockstar” headlines and sound bytes and didn’t take a stupid leap of faith, they’d know the guy was a fraud a long time ago.

  • Vegas_Rick

    Hmm?

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    I guess I win?

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    My bad.

  • streiff

    you misstate so much I don’t even know where to start.

    Look up cuius regio, eius religio. Then look up “treason”.

  • Vegas_Rick

    are not the same thing. People here know about being Christians and we don’t look kindly on your Gorillas in the Mist approach to the topic.

  • streiff

    you lose

  • friendlyneighborhoodliberal

    Judeo-Christian Morality is a term invented by Christians.

  • streiff

    that 90% are elementary school students. You really need to have whatever degree you claim to have revoked.

  • jakeofalltrades

    He has showed you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?

    Educated liberals are the height of worthless knowledge, all smoke and no fire.

  • lineholder

    So far, given the context of your comments, your purpose seems to be spout a superiority of self-proclaimed knowledge and try to play “gotcha” with other people.

    Is that your purpose? If so, then that doesn’t seem very “friendly” to me, neighborhoodliberal.

  • westcoastpatriette

    And your point is….

  • jakeofalltrades

    lol

  • streiff

    you self identify as a “Shakespearean by training” in your other writings. One way or another you are a lying crapweasel.

  • jamesm

    .

  • lineholder

    They constantly attack anything and everything that even remotely supports absolute moral standards rather than the moral relativism by which they live their own lives.

    That’s all this is. Nothing more and nothing less.

  • Tbone

    Just wait.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Everything that you could possibly do with your life is completely futile – except to know and honor God.

    Christians agree – believing in our creedal statements that the entire purpose of human life is this:

    To know God and enjoy Him forever.

    That is why morality is important – because the more moral you are, the more you can enjoy Him. Without God, there is absolutely no individual purpose to morality. Indeed, the entirety of the universe is meaningless without Him.

    The ONLY thing that makes this planet significant amongst the trillions upon trillions of star systems in this universe, is that He was here. The only thing that makes our race significant among the millions of species is that He made us and breathed in us His own breath of life.

    Without that, there is no purpose to anything, and everything therefore goes.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Amen and hallelujah! Maybe our liberal friend will get scared of all the scriptural references.

  • jakeofalltrades

    You can’t logically prove the non-existence of God, so their claim to believe such a thing is fallacious. Agnosticism is the closest you can get to atheism and still have any respect from me concerning your intelligence.

  • Tbone

    my faith is the evidence of God, my salvation, my eternal life and your eternal damnation if you continue to reject Christ. See Hebrews 11:1

    I am always amused at the utter stupidity of atheists, really dumb on so many levels and blinded by their own ignorant arrogance.

  • Scope

    He is speaking in OH tonight. He just said that the affirmative action programs contributed to the housing crisis. Let’s see how that plays out tomorrow on the news cycles.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Beyond the blindingly-obvious fifty pages of slam-dunk evidence I can present for 1) the existence of a hyper-intelligent, eternal creator, and 2) that the best fit for that creator is in fact the God of the Bible, my faith is itself evidence, because my faith isn’t dead, but alive.

    My prayers are heard. When I read His words, my soul is quickened. I can actually feel His power and His presence. It sends shivers down my entire body. And I’m not the only one who feels that exact same thing.

    He gives me insight into the people in my life so I can know what to pray for and how to help them. He makes sure no matter the situation that all my needs are met.

    Whenever I see anything superlative, or hear good music, I am readily brought to ponder how awesome is the One who created not only music (for example), but also the mind and soul that can perceive its beauty and enjoy it, and I thank Him for it. That is the essence of worship – live your life, enjoy it to the maximum, and thank the One who created not only the world you enjoy, but also you and your soul that enjoys it.

    And when I worship, I feel His presence all around me and know that He is closer than anyone can be. It can be extremely intense – the closest thing an atheist will experience is ecstasy (MDMA) – but the Christian is sober and the feeling is the spiritual nearness of your Maker.

    I am not afraid of death. The only thing I fear when staring into the vast night sky is the One being so terrifyingly powerful as could create this incomprehensibly vast universe, filled with exploding suns and black holes for billions of light years in every direction. That this infinite intelligence has created a perfect and eternal, soul-crushing, painful punishment… Hell is much, much more probable than escaping the wrong I’ve done by simply ceasing to exist.

    There is nothing arbitrary about it. All are invited, but few enter, because few receive such an irresistible call.

    I therefore don’t expect everyone to believe. I also know that all atheists know in their heart of hearts that they are deeply in denial.

  • jakeofalltrades

    We’d all act pretty much the same in the same circumstances absent some outside superbeing pulling us aloft.

    Make no mistake: if moral people ever existed, we killed them all.

  • tomrt

    Doncha know?

  • Jack_Savage

    In the writings of Shakespeare.

    A dollar against a doughnut this guy was camped out in Oakland last week, unable to understand and mad as hell he can’t get a job with his Religious Conflict In Shakespearean Writing degree.

    However, he may be able to parlay his “Post-Modern Analysis Of Crapping In People’s Yards” internship into something more fruitful.

  • Jack_Savage

    By a landslide.

  • lineholder

    no text

  • JSobieski

    while releasing a murderer.

  • JSobieski

    You act as if religious people don’t argue about religious texts and what they mean.

    The Bible has been peer reviewed for almost 2 thousand years.

    As much as I like people like Decartes, Locke, Hume, Aristotle, Kant, Friedman, et al—-their ideas have not been scrutinized as thoroughly as Christian theology.

  • aesthete

    is in no way evidence for or against an enduring moral order centered on a fixed, immalleable divine being — indeed, Christianity and other world religions predict and expect bad behavior from all humans, including self-proclaimed adherents.

    Should have taken a logic class in addition to your comparative religion studies.

  • JSobieski

    just try to juggle flaming torches while hopelessly drunk.

  • aesthete

    in the world, given education levels, literacy rates, adherents, etc. (You could make an argument for Judaism as well, of course.) The Dharmic religions are too orthopraxic and their religious texts non-dispositive, and Islam has not been around for as long and is the religion of (let’s face it) a much more primitive and stunted region wrt all education indices.

    Religion has survived, and will survive, for some time: it’s an evolutionary advantage in many ways, and transmits moral principles effectively. The idea that Christianity in particular (the most scrutinized of all world religions) will somehow fade away, or that it is made of weaker stuff academically speaking than upstart and somewhat obscure atheistic philosophies and suppositions, is quite silly. Any atheist tradition is going to borrow very heavily from the major world religions — all of which are quite arbitrary if you remove a divine being from the equation. This is not because of the moral punishment/consequences aspect — which is present in atheistic and theistic approaches to morality. It is because without a purpose or moral code beyond ourselves has little claim if not tethered to a good, omniscient divine being (or set of beings, or divine force — just covering my bases, here).

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    But here is my comment.

    You CAN have some sort of morality without religion, but the morality that we have inherited in the Western world comes from three sources. First, the Christian Bible, Second the Torah, and third, the Greek philosophers and the Roman Stoics (who were pagans but not atheists)

    Everything else is some philosophical add on after the Enlightenment, and those things led to millions of people murdered in the twentieth century.