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Mitt Romney’s Bow, NH speech.

Rejecting politics for prayers for the slain.

Via DaTechGuy, the right note from Mitt Romney. Romney’s remarks in Bow, NH, July 20, 2012:

(Transcript here)

DaTechGuy reported that Romney, Senator Kelly Ayotte, and the priest brought in to offer a prayer for the Colorado dead then formed a line to greet each person who had come to what was originally supposed to be a campaign event. Which was appropriate.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

PS: One grace note that did not get mentioned in the national news:

The campaign played no music and hushed supporters who began getting restless as the sun began to beat down and the event fell behind schedule.

“We had a chant, but we didn’t do it,” said Nashua Republican Linda Twombly, 69, who hadn’t heard about the shooting until she arrived at the Romney event. “They told us no.”

But then, character is what you show when nobody’s looking.

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  • califgal

    happens, most Americans are truly loving and respectful of the dead and their loved ones. I do not include the media–they see ratings.

    What I don’t like, no matter from whom it comes, is the use of the word “evil.” The men who plotted and destroyed lives on 9/11? Evil.

    The young man who killed several in Arizona not long ago? Mentally ill. A schizophrenic.

    The Va Tech killer? He didn’t live, but had he, we’d find the same. There are enough clues he left behind to indicate he suffered from mental illness.

    Holmes? I’ll wait. However, all the signs point to mental illness, probably schizophrenia. It usually starts showing subtle signs in late teen years, then progresses in the sufferer’s twenties.

    Instead of talk of gun control and talk of “evil” we ought to be educating the public about mental illness. Most people, unfortunately, don’t understand that mental illness is a biological phenomenon, not a psychological one. People aren’t “made” mentally ill by their society or by their parents or by their experiences. It is a BIOLOGICAL occurrence.

    With our new technologies, the last ten years have begun to answer questions about the brain and the changes it undergoes. We can see the structural damage that has been wrought in many cases. The cause? The etiology is becoming a bit clearer. Growing evidence points to a viral trigger in mental illness, although bacterial triggers are still possible. (We know of a horrid neurological reaction to a strep infection in children called PANDAS= pediatric autoimmune neurological disorder associated with strep).

    There is evidence that a common parasite, toxoplasma gondii, is the cause of mental illness, particularly schizophrenia, in some families. Our genes protect us. (You’d not know that by listening to or reading what the press puts out.) They have evolved to do so. However, pathogens evolve more quickly than we can evolve defenses to them.

    While you may have genes that give you great protection against pathogen X, I have inherited genes that give me great protection against pathogen Y. But there are genetic trade-offs. The genes I have inherited that protect me wonderfully against Y might not work as effectively against pathogen X, and should I meet up with pathogen X, especially at a particularly susceptible age or time in my life (maybe my defenses are low because I am battling a common cold), I might fall victim to a chronic, unseen infection, the effects of which don’t show up for decades. I might fall ill at a certain period of development, say, the young adult stage when schiz, bi-polar disease, depression, all the the things that lead to “unexpected” violence and/or suicide, come to fruition.

    It saddens me that in every instance when the press has an open window to educate the public about the biological processes of mental illness, they fail. They were quite willing to believe that the AZ murderer was created by Sarah Palin and the Tea Party, but once it was determined he was a schizophrenic, they lost interest.

    That we are so accepting of the concept of illness as it relates to the other organs of the body–the heart, the liver, the stomach, the lungs, the pancreas–and that laymen are stuck in the age of Freud , who got it all wrong but who can’t really be blamed for getting it wrong considering the state of research in those days, makes me sad and makes me angry.

    I don’t think it does a bit of good to apply the adjective “evil” to this and I wish Mitt Romney hadn’t used the word. Let’s wait and see what we find out about Holmes. I think you know and I know the likelihood is that he suffers from mental illness.

    If the mentally ill continue to be branded as “evil,” what hope have we of getting them help, of changing public policy so that a doctor or a family can persuade a judge to commit them for observation? Yes, yes, I know, you might try to argue that the sufferer isn’t “evil” only his actions. That’s a needless distinction in this case.

    If you wish to argue theology ( believe me, I don’t), then in arguing that mental illness is Lucifer’s doing, you’d have to argue that the common flu and the common cold are as well, and there’s no way that sort of argumentation helps medical research nor our political causes.

    I do indeed believe evil exists. I believe people who are sane do indeed commit acts of evil. However, the mentally ill are not sane. They suffer from biological illness.

    I am willing to put my money on this: this very bright teenager suspected something wasn’t “right” in his head although he knew not what was “different.” As a result, he pursued a course of study in neuroscience, hoping to understand himself. No one picked up on what was going on.

    Let’s not use “evil” until we know.

  • AndrewHyman

    Here are names and ages of the deceased:

    AJ Boik (18)
    Jesse Childress (29)
    Jessica Ghawi (a.k.a. Jessica Redfield)
    John Thomas Larimer (27)
    Matt McQuinn (27)
    Micayla Medek (23)
    Veronica Moser (6)
    Alex Sullivan (27)
    Alex Teves (24)

    Prayers go out to their family and friends. Apparently, the nut who did this owned the weapons legally, though weapons were illegal in the theatre. It may be that this is a necessary price of our freedoms, although I would at least like for a purchaser of so many weapons to have to explicitly swear that he’s a law-abiding citizen, given that many nuts are honest nuts (and a very basic sanity test wouldn’t hurt either).

    Anyway, I though that Governor Romney’s remarks were generally very good. Some media are misquoting Romney’s reference to the Apostle Paul, which correctly is this: “The Apostle Paul explained – ‘Blessed be God who comforteth us in all our tribulations, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble.’” This is from 2 Corinthians 1:4 using the King James Version of the text. Since Governor Romney explicitly quoted an apostle here, I hope he’ll also consider in the future quoting religious figures of other religions. There is much wisdom in many religions, and a political leader should be careful to recognize that.

  • califgal

    Drudge has up a pic of Holmes. His countenance does indeed bear *subtle* similarities to the facial expressions we noted in the pic of the AZ killer.

    Unfortunately, Drudge has these words under the picture: “Smirk of the Batman psycho.”

    It’s hard to urge people who are feeling different, feeling “not quite right,” to seek medical attention before they’ve gone off the deep end when society attaches “psycho” to those who need the help.

  • Xasteius

    If Holmes were truly crazy, he probably would have blown himself up while rigging his apartment or otherwise given away his plans. Instead, it is only through the providence that no one did, in fact, open his apartment door before his attack began that we are not dealing with an even more horrific list of casualties, both at the theaters and at his apartment complex.

  • westcoastpatriette

    be interested in reading this post from yesterday.

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/07/20/morning-briefing-for-july-20-2012/#comment-190570

  • califgal

    type of ignorance that we don’t need: “If Holmes were truly crazy, he probably would have blown himself up while rigging his apartment or otherwise given away his plans.”

    Just what does the writer think “crazy” means?

    There is absolutely nothing that warrants such an ill-informed conclusion.

    The public no doubt remembers the movie “A Beautiful Mind”? While it took some dramatic liberties, as all films do, for the most part it accurately portrayed the “mind” of the brilliant mathematician John Nash, a sufferer of schizophrenia. Sufferers of mental illness can have extended periods of sanity. Early signs are subtle, often missed by family and friends or even less subtle signs are, because we aren’t a society educated about mental illness, misinterpreted as something else.

    The notion that crazy people can’t be also brilliant is ….well, while I’d like to call it something worse, I’ll just call it “ignorant” in that it shows a total lack of knowledge of the subject. Worse…it seems to suggest the infantile behavior of not wanting to be be educated, the childish equivalent of sticking one’s fingers in one’s ears.

  • califgal

    I didn’t see it yesterday here but I did see CK’s words on Fox.

    It’s time the networks, including Fox, did some John Stossel-type educating on this matter.

  • renl57

    Why don’t we all just sit tight and let law enforcement do its job, rather than speculating? Holmes is remaining silent, so we don’t know what he’s thinking. Let law enforcement try to figure it all out from the evidence.

    I will say this: To plead insanity, the defendant has to show that he either (a) didn’t know what he was doing, or that (b) he didn’t know that what he was doing was wrong.

    Given the meticulousness of the planning and the cunning behind the boobytraps in his home, I doubt he could claim (a).

    And given that he reportedly told the arresting officers that he was emulating the Joker–a famous fictional *criminal*–I doubt he could claim (b) now either.

  • avagreen

    I noticed that this morning on Fox (I think)……he was wearing an orange T-shirt.
    So, this pic was taken while he was the quiet”model” student in college two years ago, whose classmates were surprised when they heard who the shooter was.

    “None of those interviewed by The Times said he showed any signs of violence or anger….”, according to that link.

    I’m thinking that probs he was having some problems at the time which he was able to hide or which were not fully emerged (or minimal), but something pushed him over the edge after he graduated.

    I know one kid (the sweetest kid you could ever meet) that I met on a psych floor back in the 90′s when he was admitted for a “psychotic break” (which surprised everyone he knew in town), and was released when he recovered. We thought we was made all well. He was an hometown hero… honor student, class president, star football hero during high school in his small town in Texas. …..but after graduation began smoking pot heavily which triggered what was most likely a genetic marker for schizophrenia (which we found out later was the genesis of his first admittance). Each time I saw him during his next four admissions, he was more and more paranoid, but still approachable after the meds began to work.

    But, he eventually became so dangerous and paranoid (paranoid Schizophenia), he had to be sent to the State hospital which is where I met him the last time. Our psychiatrist (in the small town) began carrying a gun in her purse (she was a beloved old character) due to his threats against her life before he was transferred to the State hospital.

    This kid may have had some similar experience.

    What I’m trying to say, that may not be a smirk, just his ill-at-ease smile at being photographed.

    I’m not apologizing for his actions……just want to make sure the correct conclusions are being drawn about that pic.

    He most certainly now is someone that needs to be held fully responsible for what he’s done. I haven’t read that he’s expressed regret for anything that he’s done.

  • avgjo

    I don’t think you mean to, but it seems you’re politicizing this. If he were to start quoting other religions, to which he doesn’t adhere, it would look purely political and disingenuous. In other words. he’d look like Obama. If any one makes an issue, he should just say, ‘I have my beliefs and you have yours. And I won’t tell you what to believe or quote, and you shouldn’t tell me, right?’

  • AndrewHyman

    Presidents generally have used civil religious rhetoric in public, and explicitly sectarian religious rhetoric in private. Here’s some info about it:

    http://www.thepresidency.org/storage/Fellows2011/Part_II_Section_2.pdf

    All that I meant was that I like our pluralistic tradition. But I also like Romney’s remarks about this tragedy. You’re correct that I certainly did not mean to politicize it, any more than Romney meant to Christianize it. Cheers.

  • westcoastpatriette

    According to teaching in the scriptures — both Old and New Testaments — all scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit or “God breathed” if you will, no matter who said it. So, one could quote Jeremiah, Isaiah or as you stated, the apostle Paul, and all of the quotes are considered on a par with God himself speaking.

    Methinks too many people are hyper-sensitive and ready to be critical and offended if they feel excluded or outside the mainstream of religious beliefs in this country. Maybe it’s time to be more gracious and less critical of those who quote the Bible — the number one best-selling book of all time.

    I found Romney’s quote to be very appropriate and comforting. But, of course, I’m biased as I love all of the scriptures. :)

  • AndrewHyman

    It was very appropriate and comforting, and I hope to see more such quotes that are not limited to his particular faith. Just like if Romney picks Huckabee for vice-president (which I support), I’d expect Huckabee to not publicly emphasize one creed over another. I’m not especially sensitive about it, but I know that a lot of people are, and it really is easy to address. Cheers.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The fact that he doesn’t care if people get butthurt about Christianity, and just speaks his beliefs, probably makes him a better man.

    Ignore the whiners Mtt!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Study history.

  • aesthete

    Those things are not mutually exclusive, especially when one considers how rivalrous the Christian denominations housed in the US were in continental Europe.

  • aesthete

    Who cares who he quotes, so long as what he says is correct? More likely than not, Mitt Romney (like most people) is more familiar with the wisdom (perceived or actual) of those in his religious sect than those outside of it. I could quote CS Lewis or the Apostle Paul at length. While I am familiar with the Dharmic religions and Judaism, I couldn’t say that I could quote any of their founders or exponents extemporaneously, nor do I need to. We are all aware that Romney is a Mormon, and that the absence of quotes from the Bhagavad Gita does not indicate a desire to ban Hinduism or any other religion.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    But I don’t think that’s the point AndrewHyman was trying to make.

  • CarolT

    Romney’s speech was very good and thoughtful.
    The police department are not releasing a picture of the shooter for the investigation. I don’t understand why, but they were quite professional and must know what they are doing. Thank God they managed to get into his apartment today without any explosions.

  • AndrewHyman

    If you’d like Mitt Romney to be the first U.S. President to praise Jesus Christ as the son of God in his inaugural address, be my guest. All you’ll get is backlash from people whom both you and I deplore. Anyhow, this is my last comment in this thread, and I really do agree with every word that Mitt said today, and hope that the folks in Colorado will find some comfort in this tragedy. Cheers.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Wouldn’t bother me at all if Romney praised Jesus Christ as the son of God in his inaugural address, nor would it bother me to get backlash from people I deplore. Let ‘em whine.

  • aesthete

    though it wouldn’t please me, either, since [insert tedious discussion regarding differing Mormon and Christian beliefs on divinity and trinity], which means that from my point of view Romney would be praising no figure which I would recognize as divine or existent.

    The people who would be bothered by it would be people whose sole purpose in existing is to be bothered by trivialities. There’s no need to insult such delicate creatures, but neither should we be terribly worried about the consequences if they do get offended (which is far from an uncommon occurrence). Personally, I don’t know any Jews or Buddhists IRL who get offended when a Christian prays to or acknowledges Jesus.

  • citizenpaine

    This is the most well thought out comment I’ve read about this horrible tragedy. I hope the mental illness story gets told, not just in this case, as you said “until we know.” I’m not as worried about the next mass murderer as I am about the mentally ill homeless, MANY of whom are vets. These people need treatment, but who will pay for it?

  • streiff

    “Don’t touch the red wire”

  • acat

    I have very little sympathy for those who try to stifle the marketplace of ideas, whether they nominally agree with me or not.

    In this case, Andrew .. let ‘em whine. Makes it easier to figure out who to ignore.

    Mew

  • APA Guy

    There are more important matters in my life…like how my sock drawer is arranged.

  • streiff

    the sooner we stop treating criminality and evil as a medical condition the better.

  • woodie

    but my guess is that wouldn’t matter to you — being the compassionate conservative you have represented yourself to be.
    s/
    sarcasm off

  • veritaseequitas

    morally bankrupt. And, to be morally bankrupt is a choice, not a mental illness.
    There is way too much immorality in our society that is promulgated and accepted as normal. No wonder people start thinking they can do whatever they want. This is just more of the same.

  • streiff

    I was replying to, think, mental illness that enables you to function in a social setting, like being a PhD candidate, for instance, yet prevent you from determining right from wrong, or illegal from legal for the atheists and neo-pagans out there, is so rare as to be non-existent.

    Evil, on the other hand, is around us daily.

    There is zero evidence this guy had any trouble getting by without being thought any more strange than anyone else. And he did this. That isn’t mental illness in any but the way the term has been degraded.

    And, by the way, bite me.

  • lineholder

    Even if the perpetrator of this crime is diagnosed as being mentally ill, that does not now nor will it ever prevent that person from carrying the entirety of the responsibility in making a choice to take guns into a loaded movie theatre and open fire on innocent people.

  • lineholder

    It was planned, by choice. Period.

  • Bill S

    /sarc

    Guess you’d better not pull that again.

    /mod

  • APA Guy

    …and made an ass of yourself in doing so.

    I wouldn’t unpack my bags just yet, Woodrow…

  • fightnright

    Some here may be conflating the psychopathic profile with other forms of schizophrenic disease. Many of those diagnosed with a schizophrenic disorder have such a highly developed moral (even religious) personal code that they would not steal under any imaginable circumstance. I’d leave my wallet with some of the incarcerated patients I’ve worked with rather than quite a few of my casual acquaintances. However, I would not leave a grandchild with even such an ‘ethical’ mental patient, because subtle distortions in understanding, perception and mood might lead the ‘kindly’ affected patient to decide that this is a good day to fly off with the child to Disney World – from NJ.

    I agree with califgal that the stigmatization of schizophrenia leads to parents and individuals trying to shield their kids or themselves from a label that will be permanently recorded and prevent their ever getting a job, home, or entering some schools. This does present more danger to society and to the person affected by the disorder. Still, one cannot describe a mass murder without calling the process evil, and its agent guilty of an evil act.

    There are still no reliable biological markers or pathologies that enable us to precisely diagnose the schizophrenias and their personality profiles with universal accuracy. Diagnosis is generally reached by behavioral profiles. Behaviorism relies on theory, however, not science. Guesswork as to a patient’s state of mind, especially when evaluating highly intelligent and organized paranoid schizophrenics is unreliable because of the possibility of deception. Though there are legal *and* medical definitions of culpability and competence, a mental patient’s hiding from the police does not necessarily prove he knows he committed an evil act (such patients often fear consequences of their behaviors in general), nor does jumping into a police officer’s arms and shouting ‘Take me home to Jesus!’ indicate guilt, as attention seekers or those with longstanding guilt complexes may engage in artifice to escape regret and mental torment.

    In any case, ideas of wrong and right are fluidic, not fixed, even in psychopathic individuals; creating another barrier to ever clearly establishing the true nature of a criminal’s ethical sense at a given time.

    And concluding that the majority of murders committed by the mentally ill population simply owe to a biologically compromised brain’s inconsistent ability to determine right from wrong at such a fundamental level as the taking of a life – which has so frequently defined us as human – may reduce us to a form of bigotry in itself. Late onset mental illness need not ‘overide’ a child’s early experiences and moral conditioning. Even in the most severely brain-injured, biology is not always destiny, and the roots of mass murder have multiple biological *and* psychological layers of causation. In considering the human mind, variables are infinitely complex.

  • Viet71

    Insane, I said. Sane people, however warped, don’t do what he did. He had a serious screw loose.

    Psychopaths become con artists or serial killers. They’re warped and without remorse but not insane.

    Is Holmes simply part of the indulged youth of America? Possibly, but not simply. He’s exceptional. Exceptional in that he was highly functioning in a complex intellectual environment until something gave out.

    Best to study this guy closely and learn what we can from him.

  • cactusjack

    I was talking to my dad about this tonight. He is in his early 80s and quite lucid and aware. His only remarks on this whole horrible thing, which he has been following on the news, is, that a doctor friend of him told him a long, long time ago (maybe 1970s) that we in America had not yet begun to see the full and disastrous impacts on our country, stemming from the massive and prolonged drug indulgence that started in the 1960s. Culturally, politically genetically (passed in the DNA), generationally .This may be true, We just may have inherited the wind. THere is probably a large percentage of our population now, born and reared in clouds of illegal plant fumes or crack cooking in the kitchen, who may be good people but who cannot think straight. Who,for example, can study for graduate level comps, or pass Bar exams, but who cannot understand spending more than we make will destroy our nation. Who will vote for Obama again with no question. And for those who inherited psychological problems – well the common sense my parents gae me tells me – “the illegal drug use will make it worse.”

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