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Fire Boehner: We Only Need 16 Votes to Depose Boehner

If conservatives want to keep the House and win the Senate, we need to fire John Boehner as speaker of the House. We only need 16 House votes to do it.

As most conservatives know, Boehner and the House GOP Steering Committee decided to purge four conservative House members from their committee. Congressmen Justin Amash and Tim Huelskamp were removed from the House Budget Committee, and Congressmen David Schweikert and Walter Jones were cut from the Financial Services Committee.

Amash, Huelskamp, and Schweikert were targeted because they were too fiscally conservative—all three have voted against Boehner’s debt ceiling hikes. Amash and Huelskamp were the only two GOP votes against House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan’s budget.

Amash explained that vote at yesterday’s Bloggers’ Briefing at the Heritage Foundation, “It’s unacceptable to have unbalanced budgets until 2040.”

For anyone outside of DC, this statement seems obvious. Only in Washington is balancing the budget radical.

Many conservatives voted for the Ryan budget because they didn’t want to “let the perfect be the enemy of the good.” I understand that, but we shouldn’t criticize those who actually understand the depth of our debt problem and plan to propose real answers.

If Speaker Boehner wants to purge independent, bold conservatives—I think it’s time he gets fired as Speaker. Not only for the purge. He has failed to effectively win negotiations with President Obama and appointed moderate committee chairs. To the public, Boehner may appear radical but in reality he proposes milquetoast policies, like the tax-hikes he proposed this week.

While the caucus has already voted in support of John Boehner as speaker of the 113th Congress, the final floor vote doesn’t happen until early January.

Everyone thinks it’s a fairytale, but the Conservative Movement is capable of firing Boehner with just 16 votes.

The House rules demand that a Speaker receive a majority—218 votes—to be elected speaker. If no nominee for speaker receives 218, the House remains speakerless—as it did during parts of the Civil War.

If 16 House Republicans were to abstain from voting for Speaker, Boehner would only receive 217 votes.

Once we depose Boehner and cause a firestorm, the Republican caucus will get the memo: Pick someone else! These 16 Republicans only need to hold out until the caucus chooses a new leader.

For Speaker, I suggest members who are anti-establishment, but still have broad support. Congressmen Jim Jordan of Ohio would be my pick. He just finished leading the Republican Study Committee and proposed the best budget we’ve seen come out of Congress.

Republicans and conservatives deserve a more articulate, more conservative leader. In fact, we need one if we want to keep the House majority and take the Senate. Boehner has been Obama’s punching bag and has lost every public battle with the President. Now, he’s waging an internal war on conservatives.

Remember, we lost seats in the House under his leadership. He has failed as spokesman for the movement. Boehner has been in Congress for 22 years, and he looks like and embodies the typical DC politician. Can’t we find someone fresher to lead the party forward?

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COMMENTS

  • citizenkh

    Don’t count on Jeff Landry getting elected, the offshore oil/gas production killing candidate.

  • General_Confusion

    A sound plan, my rep WILL be hearing from me! Thank you for this information.

  • drohan00

    If we wanted to be real tough, we’d have our members vote for Pelosi. Let her be the face of the House with a Republican majority! What real difference is there?

    Boehner’s power grab is right in line to garner a revolt, just like Newt in 1997-98. We can and should call our members to fight against him.

    John Boehner can’t even be trusted to appoint actual conservatives to any committee that matters. We need to stand up. We need to make our voices heard. I think it is time for Tea Party 2.0.

  • kipling

    I will call my representative. Could the Democrats throw enough support to Boehner to keep him in office? With Boehner’s track record, it would be a good choice for them to keep him in power.

  • drohan00

    Also, what good is having a speaker of the house who we have to constantly brow beat and hold his feet to the fire? Boehner has no leadership skills other than the Soviet politburo tactics to give himself five votes on the Steering Committee. Unfortunately, Adrian Smith my congressman got put on Ways and Means again, so he won’t likely vote against worthless John.

  • civil truth

    If some Republicans boycott, what’s to stop Boehner from cutting a deal with a few Democrats to keep his office. Not to mention all the plaudits he would gain for being so “bipartisan” and excluding those “frothing-at-the-mouth reactionaries”.

    No, until you can get a majority of the caucus to vote for someone else, we’re stuck with Boehner.

    Take a look at the Texas legislature for an egregious example of this.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      And on come the naysayers, who say don’t try, just quit.

    • westcoastpatriette

      Then we get way more than just 16 votes against Boehner. If someone would organize the effort, I am sure we could get way more than 16 to stand against him making it impossible for him to glean enough votes to get a majority.

    • grumpyKoz

      Well, if he did that, then we would really know his colors. There will be no more whitewashing his squishy positions, and we can actually vote him out.

    • missingrreagan

      He wouldn’t have to cut a deal. The dems could just give him enough votes to keep him in the office, and he basically becomes a crippled leader in charge of a Republican civil war. Why wouldn’t they?

      Not the greatest idea I’ve heard. No need to hand the dems a tactical and p.r. victory.

      • ww2nd95

        Exactly. This is just what the Democrats would love to see. The Republicans purging their House leader and the firestorm that would follow with a split GOP. And I could easily see Dems voting to keep Boehner as Speaker, because to them, he’s much better then whoever would take his place.

        • http://gardenslegal.com morstar150

          Good grief!

        • Kyle-MI

          You don’t think the Dems are not loving seeing Boehner purge conservatives from key committees? The split has already happened.

          • ww2nd95

            Sure I do, however I also think that we need to play this right. If we oust Boehner, there will be some backlash from inside the party, which will cause more of a rift. I’m just trying to avoid turning this into anymore of a game show then it already is.

            Am I a Boehner fan? Not really. I don’t think he’s a strong leader. Even moderates can be strong leaders, he isn’t one however, and everyone knows that. Lets say we oust him. Well that dominates the media cycles for a couple of weeks or so, until we replace him, which will happen no matter what we do, I just think we need to be coming from a stronger position as a united front, rather then a split party. If we could just come together as a party to fight against the Democrat’s agenda, rather then Conservatives Republicans fighting against moderate Republicans and both groups trying to fend off a united Democrat front, we would come out much better, I feel, i the public view.

          • commonsenseobserver

            There won’t be backlash if we replace him with someone like Cantor or McMorris Rodgers. ^^

            At least they’ll advocate the cause better.

        • tngal

          A lapdog republican (Boehner) is just as good as a liberal democrat (Pelosi) in the eyes of the left.

          • ww2nd95

            That’s exactly my point. I think Dems would vote to keep Boehner, rather then allow him to be taken out and replaced with a stronger, more conservative leader..

    • vandalii

      Hear, hear. I watched the Texas House leadership go to Joe Strauss, a jackass wearing an elephant skin by wheeling and dealing with some of the worst of the liberal democrats in Texas politics (many of whom scampered to Oklahoma in 2003 when things weren’t going their way on redistricting). Then Strauss threatened Repubs opposed to his second reign with vague reprisals if they resisted his re-election (and the Repubs caved :-( ). What a piece of work!
      Don’t let it come to that or Boehner will be beholden to the devil itself!

    • commonsenseobserver

      Well, we have to move swiftly to prevent that.

  • almostacowboy77

    Is that what all this is about? Boehner keeping his seat? Where are the men of honor?

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      What an odd first comment to make.

      • http://gardenslegal.com morstar150

        Neil I am asking you, is it correct that if 16 Republican Congressmen do not vote for Boehner there will not be a speaker? That sounds to beautiful to be real. Do we have a Parliamentarian among us?

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          See above post by Ned.

  • rabun1016

    Daring plan, but I like it. But I think Paul Ryan is the guy to lead the House. Ryan actually has the poise, persuasive articulation, and intelligence to be all the things Boehner is not.

    • rabun1016

      And let’s face it. Boehner has shown himself by his recent actions to be just like a thug union leader, a la Fitzsimmons or Hoffa.

    • idonotrecall

      Seriously? Paul RINO of all people? We should just call him John Jr.! NO THANKS!

      • streiff

        wow, you established yourself as an idiot rather quickly, no?

        • idonotrecall

          Really?? You have an issue with Joe Walsh so you delete my post? Way to go.

          • Bill S

            No one deleted any of your idiocy-laden posts. But I can be persuaded to do it.

          • streiff

            No one deleted any of your posts. But, you know what, if you are going to come in here calling Paul Ryan a RINO and slagging moderators for deleting your nonexistent posts I think you need to find other amusement. Shove off, Scooter.

          • commonsenseobserver

            It is the epitome of silliness to call someone with a Heritage Action rating of more than 70%, and consistent satisfactory ratings from the Club for Growth, National Taxpayers’ Union, Citizens Against Government Waste and American Conservative Union, a RINO. We have indeed had a flood of trolls.

      • commonsenseobserver

        He’s done more for us than you, or indeed Joe Walsh, ever will. It takes courage and conviction to grit your teeth and actually work to get things done and sway the public on the big issues in the face of demagoguery from liberals and doubts from “Conservatives”.

        And it’s not just about politics, either. Who can forget the insults piled on Mitt Romney, who is by most accounts, while politically timid, a decent, honest, and compassionate man in his personal life.

  • 308winchester

    Damn Straight Guys. FINALLY, someone is talking about it and it’s about time. He is incapable of leading as the Speaker. Another Get Along / Go Along Establishment Repub. If the Tea party Conservatives want to make a statement and they need to in order to assert their growing power as a force to be reckoned with, then this would be the knock on the door. Sure, it will cause a firestorm, and it needs to be done, but it also will signal to Obama and the Democrats that there is a change in attitude that he will be confronted and fought over his Socialist ideas. People all over American are waiting for a signal that we will take the fight to the enemy and win. If we only need 16 votes, then I say the time is now to stand up for our principles as Republicans and fire Boehner and signal that the end of appeasement is over !!!!

  • streiff

    This is the best laugh I’ve had in a couple of months

  • Locked and Loaded

    Hmmm, I wonder if I should call Tom Cole’s office?

    • Grant

      Speaking (unfortunately) as a Tom Cole constituent, I think that’s precisely what we should do.

  • freemanja1991

    Who else would you suggest besides Jim Jordan, because he is very unlikely there would need to be other options on the table.

  • westcoastpatriette

    It it is time to think and work outside the box. We cannot sit back and allow Boehner and Cantor to publicly piss on us without dissent. There is enough pent up rage in the conservative wing, someone just needs to get this ball rolling and do it. It will boost morale and make conservatives feel relevant and at least somewhat respected again. They need to use the power they have, dang it! And they do have a lot of power if they unite.

  • rbdwiggins

    Instead of voting against Boehner, or abstaining in protest, why not find someone to vote for? They don’t even have to be a member of the 113th Congress…

    The chance for success is likely to be the same.

  • http://ridersonthestorm101.blogspot.com/ SE-779

    Possible options for Speaker:

    Michele Bachmann
    Mike Coffman
    John Fleming
    Phil Gingrey
    Steve King
    Steve Pearce
    David Schwikert
    Lee Terry
    Tim Walberg
    Daniel Webster

    • citizenkh

      Bachmann? that is a laugh.

      Fleming is not going to cross Scalise. It ain’t happening, forget it. They are tight.

    • revtm

      Terry is the only one with enough seniority to even be considered, and hes not been much of a profile representative.

    • freemanja1991

      I only wish we could get King to run for leadership, but in all my talks with him I doubt he wants to he’s more interested in getting things done for Iowa.

      • littlehouse18

        King would be great. Ryan would be excellent and needs the challenge of the position. He’s probably too nice to go against Boehner, though.

        • freemanja1991

          Ryan is actually has more seniority then Cantor, and would be our best bet but he won’t, he will play by the rules until he can make a move, he won’t take the risk. King would only do something if he lost his seat on the Ag committee, with Bob Goodlatte getting the Judiciary Chair King is next in Line for Ag which would be great for the 4th district.

    • keepcoolwithcoolidge

      King, Pearce, Coffman yes. Bachmann no. We lose all credibility with Bachmann.

      • tlhanger

        Bachmann would be a great choice, she speaks well and is intelligent!

    • tlhanger

      Tom Price would do an excellent job too!

    • ohiohistorian

      There was another post here (and I think one of the nominations actually did it) that you do NOT have to have a House member. On that basis, how about Allen West? He just got screwed out of his seat by overvoting, and Boehner did not particularly like him. He would be a worthy Speaker. And the Obama crowd would not be able to call him a racist (Oreo, yes, racist no).

  • 308winchester

    No argument there at all. A prefect fit and choice.. I can’t think of anybody better qualified. With little push, Lets see if the Conservatives can make it clear to Boehner that is job is on the line.

  • toothpick

    A great post with a bold idea…I like it.

    However, I do have one nit. It’s a pet peeve of mine. One of the reasons we so often lose the battle for public opinion is that we’ve let the Left control the vocabulary. In this post you say Boehner has “appointed moderate committee chairs.”

    “Moderate” committee chairs? That term nearly cedes the debate in itself, suggesting that they are the ones who are “reasonable” or “sensible” as opposed to those “unreasonable” tea-party type conservatives.

    Note that a Republican who betrays his principles is called a “moderate Republican” but a Democrat who does so is a “Conservative Democrat.” At least, that’s what the Lame Stream Media will call them.

    Let’s call them what they are: Liberal Republicans.

  • santaur

    “If conservatives want to keep the House and win the Senate, we need to fire John Boehner as speaker of the House. ”
    I think the conventional wisdom is that Tea Party candidates are a major reason the Republican party didn’t take control of the Senate in the last two elections.

    • runner12

      No, you are wrong. Several of the candidates that lost this go around were not supported in the primaries by the Tea Party (see Tommy Thompson). But there is no doubt that we need to be more cautious and wise regarding who we put up to run for Senate. However, that does not mean that we need to keep settling for DC insiders who grow government and have all about destroyed the GOP brand.

  • ohtimtim

    If the representatives that were relieved of their committee posts abstain from voting then only 12 more or less will be needed; Even more do-able

  • Kyle-MI

    I have been willing to give Boehner the benefit of the doubt, but kicking fiscally responsible conservatives off of key committees is the last straw. This was not only heavy-handed but goes against the principles of the GOP. I hope it backfires and leads to a political rebellion against him.

    • garfieldjl

      Agreed, the problem is I’m not sure whom would be a decent speaker of the House that is currently a member of the House of Representatives… Paul Ryan might do well in the interm, but I seriously think we need to convince Newt Gingrich to run for office and then give him Speaker of the House. One may not agree with him on everything, but he’d stand up to Obama unlike Boehner.

  • runner12

    I love this idea! I just hope there are enough House Members with the guts to do it.

  • redeleven

    I agree. Boehner must lose the gavel. If he somehow remains speaker, he must be challenged in the next primary and, if necessary, lose in the general election. I realize this means losing a Republican but, in this case at least, it’s addition by subtraction. We lose one member and instantly our caucus is stronger.

  • checkmate2012

    Great odds and great post!! You inspired me to write my Rep. tonight and hope all will contact theirs:

    Dear Congressman Sessions,

    Congrats on being appointed to be the Chairman of the Rules Committee. I’m confident you will do a great job as you did as the leader of the NRCC and was encouraged by your press statement on 11/12/12: “I look forward to working with the Speaker and all of my colleagues to ensure that Chairman Dreier’s charge to make the Rules Committee transparent and accountable continues. Our conference is committed to restoring the American Dream, and I will tirelessly defend Republican principles to get our country back on the right track.”

    My point of this email is to ask you to stand up to the House Leadership against its purge of the four conservatives on the Committees they served honorably. I am outraged and disheartened by this move, as are many conservatives (hopefully you read Redstate.com in which a diarist gave you kudos recently in his post,”http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/12/republicans-could-learn-from-pete-sessions-leadership-of-the-nrcc/”.

    Transparency is owed to these Reps., to their constituents and to all of us Republicans who voted the House back into the majority: tell us what criteria was used to oust them from their posts and don’t keep it secret.

    Lastly, I fully support replacing Boehner as the House Leader as he has shown he is not capable of the position in this critical time. I would support you as the Leader or any other true Conservative that will stand up to the president and to Reid in order to save our country before it is too late. It’s past time to draw a line in the sand and we need Representatives that will do the right thing for the country; not for their next election. Thank you for your service and you can count on my vote if you take these issues seriously.

    Concerned Conservative citizen that wants real change in D.C. starting in the House.

  • daniel22

    Boehner is a wheeler dealer. After the election he has been busy consolidating power. Before the election he was busy nullifying any resistance to his reign. He should have been handed a no confidence vote a long time ago. And why would anybody define this man as a moderate conservative or republican?
    It is well past time for people to stand for principles and morality. Boehner has shown an amazing ability to toss principles aside to make a deal. After that any confidence in the man goes hobbling his ability to lead or craft policy. It is the same for a lot of conservative pundits. Since the election they have been busy trying to re-establish their relevance in the post-election landscape. They have yet to realize that they are as much responsible for people staying home and not voting as anybody else. Instead they are corralling as many voter blocs as possible for the party of Boehner because we have no choice.

  • malvernpa

    The democrats cannot be rehabilitated from their big government/spending ways, they are terminally wedded to that concept. The idea that the 2009 800 billion Obama stimulus sold to America as a one and done is now a part of the permanent federal spending baseline is criminal.The idea that the democrat run senate has not passed a budget in 4 years yet the republicans CANNOT find someone articulate enough to explain the recklessness of the democrat party and fear being blamed for the fiscal cliff is astounding.
    The question is CAN republicans be rehabilitated from big spending. That is why their approval numbers are in the tank, they are spineless. That rehabilitation is what is taking place in the republican party ONLY because of the Tea Party. There is NO spine ( or fiscal conscious ) in the RINO with regard to cutting spending, if there were we would have seen some spending cuts in the last 50 years. This is the hill to die on. We fight this now or it becomes increasingly difficult and damaging as years go on. Pass a house bill before the end of the year making all Bush tax rates permanent and send it to the senate making a big noise publicly that the house did the right thing. Then find someone in the republican party that can think, articulate and respond intelligently in an interview about fiscal ( spending cuts) responsibility so that Joe 6 pack can understand the importance of the need for fiscal responsibility. THAT IS THE REPUBLICAN PROBLEM. There is no one who can think and talk at the same time, God help us.

  • merrie7137

    You’d think Boehner would have paid attention to what happened to Pelosi. She was put in the Speaker’s chair by all the moderate Democrats from swing districts. But she proceeded to ram through unpopular programs like Obamacare and the stimulus and was out in 4 years. Boehner was put in power by the Tea Party. If he forces his coalition to raise taxes AND spending, they will lose and he’ll be out – just like Pelosi.

  • barrowmrb

    I never thought Boehner was much of a leader, but I was willing to give him a chance.
    The first time I saw breakdown like a little boy in front of the cameras, I new we were
    in trouble.
    He has now handled the House very well and we (Conservatives) need a stonger person.
    Let’s quickly remove him unless he shows some backbone.

    • commonsenseobserver

      And not just backbone.

      We do need to shift away from being seen as the party of the rich, without compromising fiscal responsibility or keeping taxes low for all.

  • walk2thebeach

    Let us keep this idea going… All conservatives on any radio or tv program should mention it like a done deal… My choice of instead of abstaining, vote for Allen West… That should make news!!
    And WTF is this voting for SOTH before ALL congressmen are sworn into office.. it is just wrong..

    • russhenry13

      Allen West would be terrific!

  • conserve1

    Jim Jordan is a great choice for speaker. Very conservative.

    • commonsenseobserver

      Aye, sounds wise.
      Or Hensarling. Or Price.

  • dwooper

    The fact of the matter is that, if there was someone who would be stronger, more decisive and on point with a solution to this fiscal problem, who would stand up to the President and his minions, where is this person? The fact of the matter is no one will even stand up to Boehner, much less Obama and his specious cohorts. If there were any member or any faction of the Republican party that had the where withal to do any better, they would have made themselves know by now. The Republicans are all cowering in the corner trying to be inconspicuous in an attempt to save themselves for the next election. They do not want to be a part of any proposal that will be unpopular, and therefore threaten their reelection. Reelection is more important than doing what is right. Reelection is more important than standing up in defense of the American public. Republican House members do not want to have to actually get off the government gravy train any more than their liberal counter parts. Being a public servant is supposed to be a calling, not a career. That is why I say lets fire all of them, Republicans and Democrats alike, and start over new. All the way from the dog catcher to the President. Then lets set term limits at two and they have to be non-consecutive. That way incumbents can continue to work through elections because they won’t be running. When are the Constitution, the American People and the Great American Dream going to come back to the fore? When will we get back to being the greatest country in the world, and not a nation on the slippery slope of decline.

  • checkmate2012

    Boehner is Charlie Brown and Obama is Lucy. Too bad Boehner falls for O’s trick’s everytime!

    • WmCraig

      Sorry, I think you have it wrong. Boehner is Charlie Brown, Obama is Charles Shultz. The part of Lucy is played by a variety of characters all manipulated by the artist.

  • sparkyva

    I agree, Boehner has been a disappointment. He appears old and stodgy with little or no charisma. Today with video playing such an important part, a little charisma is a requirement. Second, there is no real grasp of how important modern media is. Obama has a list of close to 50 million emails that he can get his message out to his people in minutes. We are stuck in the mud with old thinking. Third, he is not picking up on the conservative message and trying to sell it to the American People – it is a winning message if understood. And fourth, he is turning against the conservatively elected members of the house trying to enforce democratic like discipline on the troops.

  • justperhaps45

    J. Edgar Hoover once said if the bad guys you seek. Follow the money!

    Perhaps we all need to withhold our moneyfrom the RNC fund raisers and advocate others to do the same until Boehner and his type move back. I give only to the candidates in whom I believe. Or, tape 2 cents on a card and send it to the RNC.

  • idonotrecall

    Paul RINO Ryan is exactly like Boehner and is a BAD choice! He is the Budget chair and allowed Justin AMash to be kicked out. Here is what we do – replace Boehner with Joe Walsh, from Illinois, who just lost his seat to a liberal. That gives us an extra conservative and he does NOT have to be a house member to be speaker! It is a win-win!

    • commonsenseobserver

      You do realize that committee chairs themselves can ultimately do little about committee assignments, other than vehemently protesting over cookies and coffee (and probably getting kicked aside themselves).

  • WmCraig

    President Lincoln had a similar problem, I believe that his name was George B. McClellan.

  • russhenry13

    The Speaker is not required to be an elected member of the House!
    Look to Allen West, Newt Gingrich or Michelle Bachmann in that order!
    Once we have a Tea Party Speaker we can form a Tea Party Caucus which Boehner has prevented!
    Next, we have an investigative committee formed in the Judiciary Committee and investigate Obama who has no American birth certificate, has a fraudulent Social Security Number, has a forged Selective Service Card and his legal name is Barry Soetoro. All of this has been proven by Sheriff Arpaio!

    The GOP & I have had a copy of Obama’s Mombasa birth certificate for three years!

    Once the Judiciary Committee proves he is an illegal alien and disqualified we can nullify everything he has done including ObamaCare and the two communist Supreme Court appointees!

    This is all right in front of us!

    • Bill S

      :looks at watch: Right on schedule.

      You realize we whack birthers, right? If you are just using some sort of odd humor here, you can email contact@redstate.com and ask to be reinstated. But for now, you’re gone.

  • ronwagn

    We need a good salesman for conservative and libertarian values, but we need to get out of other peoples bedrooms and birth control.

    • Bill S

      Thar she blows!

  • pompadour

    TARP; the auto bailout; the AIG bonus bill of attainder; the Patriot Act; the NDAA; HR 347, which prevents protests in areas where Secret Service protection is occurring; the unspoken rule of the Wisconsin congressional delegation by which he refused to campaign for Republicans against Democratic incumbents; a plan that continues deficit spending for another 20-25 years while failing to balance the budget for at least that long, and only then under ideal and therefore nonexistent circumstances; etc, etc, etc… If this is your definition of a viable path back to limited government and fiscal sanity, by all means, put Paul Ryan in the driver’s seat. He’s got a “good” reason for all of these bad decisions. I’m sure he’ll have more “good” reasons for all of the bad decisions he’d make as speaker. There’s a reason Paul Ryan’s plans are the only ones that make it past
    the establishment gatekeepers… Anyone who thinks it’s because he’s got a plan that actually works needs to think again.

    As a Wisconsinite who watches the man’s performance closely, I can say with authority that the Ryan worship is unwarranted.

    An August article by Thomas Eddlem on Ryan as VP pick had it right:

    “Ryan’s appointment may have caused many conservatives to swoon over his reputed fiscal credentials, but that swooning comes only from the uninformed and those with highly diminished expectations.”

    We need someone who’s not “a member of the club.” Regrettably, Paul Ryan carries a card and is frequently to be found having a metaphorical brandy with the boys.

    • commonsenseobserver

      Ryan “worship”? Seriously? Sorry, no more credibility.

      You’re going to have to find something better than those votes, given, yes, “good reasons”. And they are far better than whatever most people have, that’s for sure. People like you and Michele Bachmann-types are in no position to criticize Paul Ryan for not meeting some Conservative gold standard, when he’s achieved far more for the cause than shrieking about purity ever will. No offense to those who actually work to get Conservative principles in place.

      The Path to Prosperity, while imperfect and not nearly bold enough on defense and entitlements, would have represented a significant step in changing the conversation, would have brought the deficit back under control, and would have gotten the debt down over the long run. For all its flaws, it remains one of our party’s most important proposals and represents a vast improvement over the status quo.

      When we look at who has actually worked, spoken out, campaigned, and fought for Conservative policies principles, we can see that Paul Ryan is one of the few in Washington who has made a genuine impact on the debate and has put forward real, bold substantive ideas to tackle the big issues in a realistic way, in a way that even stalwarts like Sen. DeMint have not directly done in such a visible way. Sure, he follows the party line when voting in the end, but he also dares to put his name to and advocate bold reforms even if they are potentially explosive. That’s far more important than one vote out of 435. No one can deny that Rep. Ryan has contributed significantly towards the resurgence of Conservatives on Washington. Even if he’s not one of us (according to some), he’s definitely with us when it matters in things like reaching out to the public and making the case. It takes courage to stand strong against the demagoguery and other nonsense.

      • pompadour

        Does it also take courage to stand up against your own party, commonsenseobserver? Because that’s what the two men who got kicked off Ryan’s commitee did. And how does that compare to the “courage” Ryan is exhibiting at the moment?

        • commonsenseobserver

          Sure.

          The point is, there are different ways to act on your courage. Some are militants, others prefer to work in the background, and maybe Ryan really doesn’t have courage, but that’s not for me or you to say when we actually do know so little. Even after being catapulted onto the national scene, we never really understand him as much as we can observe and monitor Boehner, at the top of the whole thing and commanding everyone else.