And who is the replacement? No one could be worse. I like Price a lot.

While I agree with you,I’m sure the gutless wonder thinks he’s done nothing wrong. Hell will freeze over before Boehner resigns.

Much more likely is he’ll start working with moderate Democrats and just be done with conservatives altogether. I can’t see any way that this goes well.

Do you seriously think Jim Jordan or Price is an actual option after what that cabal did to the Speaker? I can guarantee you that we have done more to damage ourselves inside the Conference because of last night than anythings else

Members are furious about what happened. Do you actually speak with any of them outside of the 45 die-hards in the RSC? Heck, half the RSC wouldn’t support them for Speaker.

John Boehner MUST go.

He cannot articulate the conservative solutions to our problems and the only thing he is good at is compromising… usually ending up in favoring the Democrats side.

“Without Boehner’s resignation, no fiscal cliff deal will be agreed to until after the January 3 election for Speaker.”

Shorter version that is no less accurate: “No fiscal cliff deal will be agreed to.”

Oust Boehner if you must. No skin off my nose. But please stop insulting our intelligence by pretending that anything Jim Jordan would offer up will be taken seriously by the Senate, President, or media.

Both Boehner and Cantor need to be removed from their leadership positions. However, that is either not going to happen for reasons already stated in other comments in this post, or either or both men will be replaced with more of the same or worse, which has also been stated by comments in this post. How do I see the outcome? Either the GOP is dead and will wither away, no matter how bad things get; or the leadership and its country club disciples will be contented to be permanently a minority party, as it always had been the case from the Great Depression until Ronald Reagan. Either way conservatives lose.

It’s time to leave the party and begin a third party. Lay the groundwork now by fielding every office for the 2014 Congressional and state elections; vet these candidates so we don’t keep running a–holes who are an embarrassment to the party like Murdock and the fellow in Missouri (Their remarks were not just slips, they were reflections of their twisted mindsets); begin now to define exactly what we stand for and be prepared to either begin to build a new majority, or go down in flames if the nation is too far gone down the Marxist road to hell; instead of denigrating Obama and his community organizers acumen, learn how to duplicate those organizing strategies NOW and do what needs to be done to get out the vote in 2014 and 2016. It was karma that so many of the Romney and GOP facilitators had no ideological conviction, and were willing to take the money and run without performing their jobs. Exactly the model of modern day corporate conservatism, where there is no ethics and no loyalty. Corporatism is not free enterprise. Currently, Americans have a choice between corporate enslavement or big, increasingly international government enslavement beyond national sovereign lines, which can also be and is increasingly a combination of both corporatism and world and regional government organizations dictating more and more what national sovereign states may or may not do.

A real conservative movement must be able to formulate an authentic policy that recognizes the role of both corporatism and big government, but cuts both down to size. The vast majority of people who identify themselves as conservatives are not libertarians, for they see the danger in that road which plays into the hands of the corporations and furthers growth in world-wide monopolies, as we now see when they can own the political and financial mechanisms that prevent the government from cutting these behemoths down to size. On the other hand, conservatives also see the danger of a government bureaucracy that has become entrenched and unyielding, which makes for genuine reform impossible. Conservatives want to see a pared down government, but one that has power beyond just coinage, foreign policy, and war making. Of course, this is difficult terrine to navigate, as the voters would ultimately determine at various times how much is too much federal power and too much interference in the lives of the American people.

Many social conservatives have been so turned off by politics and the lying, self-serving politicians; I don’t think you will get a couple of million of them to ever return to the polls again. Until an independent party can prove itself to be the party of small businesses, are willing to break up the large financial institutions, and the power of the major conglomerates, and take major steps to limit the way campaigns are financed; the conservatives will continue to be viewed by a majority of Americans as the party of the affluent and super rich. The world is ruled by gangsters who control are politicians, no way will their heads roll within the Republican or the Democrat Party. While I’m at it, how about one of many constitutional amendments that can be offered by a new party and passed quickly, as for example, all members of Congress and the Executive branch must live by the same rules and benefits that they pass and execute into laws as the American people affected by said laws. Of course little if any of the above will happen, because the very nature of politics is to support candidates who serve narrow self-interests of the voters, and the well-being of the country be damned.

Times a wasting. Anything short of a complete break with the Republican party, and getting to work on a new party will only further crystallize Democrat hegemony over the nation and its deliverance to international organizations and laws, which will make it extremely easy to dictate a Marxist agenda upon the world. WHY ARE CONSERVATIVES NOT ORGANIZED TO LEAD A MAJOR BRUTAL FIGHT AGAINST JOHN KERRY TO BE SECRETARY OF STATE? Oh yes, he’s a U.S. senator and a sufficient number of GOP senators will support one of their own for the position. Can you see why the Republican party is useless? Let these Republicrats enshrine this traitor as Secretary of State. You might as well just put Hanoi Jane in the position.

Boehner’s big mistake was to set up himself as the sole negotiater with Obama. I get why he did it — to put himself on the same level as Obama rather than as one of a delegation. But it would only work if Boehner were an excellent communicator, a great negotiater, and could guarantee the support of his conference. As we’ve seen he does not have the first and third of these, today we learn from details of the negotiations that he is not much at the eyeball-to-eyeball either. Behind the WSJ paywall but this quote is out:

Boehner: I put $800 billion (in revenue) on the table. What do I get for that?

Obama: You get nothing. I already get that for free.

boehner: (weeps).

“A third party is a path to defeat.” That was the bull we were told
four years ago, and where did loyalty to the GOP get us? The whole
country has gone to hell, and the GOP didn’t win the Presidency, lost
seats in the Senate, which should have been an easy majority win for
them, and even managed to lose seats in the House. On the federal
level, the election for the GOP was a massive disaster.

This
country is going to go through a nightmare during this second
administration of Obama. A third party with real conviction and
specific policies can give Americans a real choice in 2014. First, win a
majority in the House. Second, take 3/4ths of the Senate seats that
are up for 2014. No way will a new party control the Senate in one
election cycle, but it sure will put the fear of God in both traditional
parties. Add members to both houses of Congress in 2016, plus win the
Presidency. No, not with lame-brains like Sara Palin, who has proven
herself to be first and foremost out for her own self-aggrandizement.
There are many intelligent conservatives out there. If they offer the
American people the restructuring of a party that works at the grass
roots level, provides the bureaucratic restructuring of the government,
offers integrity (to whatever degree any politician can have integrity),
and genuinely proposes and sincerely and consistently supports policies
that should be formulated in a National Convention that would take
place no later than next year, where the American people have input by
their representatives to the convention as they participate in the
birthing of this new party. However, if the party just becomes a cover
for corporatism, whereby any law or regulation that isn’t fancied by Big
Business, then a new party will just be a clone of the current GOP.

A
new party must deal with authenticity in seriously working to change
the casino gambling, pyramid scheming, and short-term psychology and
financial strategies that reward instant profits and quick turnovers,
but fail to engender genuine investments. Raise the income taxes on the
millionaires. I would love to see a 75% rate on all these limousine
liberals. All the Hollywood crowd, many of these professional athletes,
pop musicians, and the purveyors of porn. Let the George Soros, Ted
Turners, etc. pay through the nose, or be made to invest in real capital
investments and job creations, instead of betting against corporations,
currencies, financial institutions, or buying up land under the
pretense of supporting wind energy, while actually going after water
rights on these lands. If these folks want to hang on to their money,
then investments would be the way to avoid high tax compensation.
However, raise the capital gains tax to 50% on gains the first year,
1/3rd the second year, 1/4th the third year, 10% the fourth year, and
all capital gains if sold off the fifth years would be completely free
of taxation. Long term investment. Lower the corporate tax structure,
propose a specifically designed flat tax, get the for profit insurance
companies out of the health insurance business. My understanding is
that the health insurance industry began with non-profit insurance
companies.

These are reasons why few people believe in the
system anymore. They know even in their frequently unsophisticated ways
that the system is fixed and it’s rigged against them. There are many
former Tea Party people, who initially were excited about curtailing the
power of the government, until they began to realize what they had to
lose, while being used simply as pawns to expand the power of corporate
and financial institutions at their expense.

So far all I hear
from the GOP is what the so-called leeches receive in government
handouts, while the “productive” members of society are being made to
carry more of the tax burden. Number one, such an argument is not a
winning formula with a majority of the American people. Number two,
many of so called “productive” have not earned their wealth by producing
anything. Instead there is quick turn-over of earnings in financial
paper schemes, sticking the taxpayers with the bill; flipping houses on
speculative ventures; run a stock up for a few days, entice others to
buy the stock, and then sell for a quick short-term profit, which leaves
the late entry bozos holding the bag and the losses; ponzi schemes
galore, etc, etc, etc. As long as these issues are not addressed in an
authentic manner that shows a majority of Americans that everyone is
going to have to share in the pain, then there is nothing to do but
embrace the inevitable demise of the republic and American sovereignty.

Once the Wall Street shenanigans have been addressed; middle and working class Americans may be willing to listen and support
programs that stop putting people on increased disability, shorten the
amount of time the unemployed can collect unemployment insurance,
restrict the growth of social programs, deal with the humongous
corruption in Medicare and almost every other federal program, cut back
on the size of the federal bureaucracy, restrict the power of the labor
unions particularly government unions, consider viable alternatives to
the whole Obamacare fiasco, and find a viable way of dealing with
illegal immigration, which first and foremost will require no amnesty
without e-verify and stringent penalties for businesses who dare to
flaunt
the law. Put an across the board freeze on the federal budget, no part
of the budget can show an increase without it coming out of or through
the elimination of another federal program.

It is going to require leadership like the United
States has not seen since 1776 and thereafter in the creation of the
new nation. Can the likes of Jim DeMint, Marco Rubio, John Thume, Paul
Ryan, and a slew of others some of whom may not currently be holding
public office; and yes, Newt Gingrich, the elder statesman, who has the
moxie and the overriding understanding of history that is needed among
all these lawyers and business people to play the role of a Benjamin
Franklin in such a movement happen? It better, and immediately.
Pasting, gluing, and rearranging bits and pieces of the current GOP is
definitely
the answer to permanent defeat. If 2012 proved anything, the days of
rearranging the seats on the Titanic are over. Conservatives might as
well
find some other hobby than wasting time being news and political
junkies, who continue to support an already lost cause.