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Fight and Win, Politically.

By: Neil Stevens (Diary)  |  March 21st, 2010 at 04:00 PM  | 

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There are those on the right who now believe that the passage of Obamacare is inevitable. I don’t know; I don’t think public whip counts are worth the pixels they’re printed on. But I also know that elections have consequences, and up to now it’s been remarkable just how much a complete failure President Obama has been in achieving his platform. It won’t surprise me if Obamacare passes and takes him from being a complete failure to an ordinary failure.

But let’s assume for argument’s sake that Obamacare is a done deal. What then? Some are talking revolution. But notwithstanding the self-evident truths of the Declaration of Independence, revolution is something that has tradeoffs, and the case for it must be very strong even to consider it seriously. I don’t think we’re even close to that point, for no small reason that our position is far stronger than the major past attempts in our history. Now is the time to fight politically. Fight and win, politically. Not fight but keep a revolution in our back pocket, but commit ourselves to sweeping political victory with the same totality that the signers of the Declaration committed themselves to their own fight.

 

A revolution boils down to a simple choice: If you have enough strength to win, then you get your first shots to be Lexington. If you don’t, then you get your first shots to be Fort Sumter.

In the first example, the revolutionaries had no peaceful means to bring about change. They had no way of influencing the Parliament or the King through the British system of government at the time. In fact, the situation was so bad and London was so out of touch with America that the Parliament was raising taxes at an alarming rate and the King was sending foreign troops to shoot at us.

Our situation is nothing like that. In fact we had the Congress and the Executive as recently as 2005, and there’s nothing that prevents us from winning it all back should we inspire enough votes our way.

In the second example, that of the Civil War, we had just had an election, and the candidate of the would-be revolutionaries lost. They had a say, but they failed to win support. Lincoln’s “free soil” anti-slavery candidacy beat not only the compromise “popular sovereignty” of Douglas, but also the pro-slavery Breckenridge, and the ambiguously pro-compromise Bell.

The slavery movement also got beat in the Congressional elections, with Republicans going +31 in the House to end Democrat control of that body. Republicans also came into the Senate after 1860 with 6 more members than in 1856. (All figures here according to Wikipedia. Corrections welcome.)

That movement was doomed to failure through peaceful means because it did not have public support and could not win elections. In fact, the secessionists knew most of the country was against them. Do we actually think the country is against us? I don’t. I think if you ask the average TEA party goer they’ll tell you it’s not true at all, that the Democrats are going against their own constitutents in this fight.

Our position is so strong, and so well supported by the public, that aside from our chances of success, it’s just plain foolish for us to fold a strong political hand and threaten the stability of our nation. Democrats aren’t going to go +6 in the Senate. We might. The Democrats certainly aren’t going to go +31 in the House. Some analysts would say that’s a low end projection for what we’ll do year.

Our position is the exact opposite of that of the seceders in 1860, and even stronger yet than the revolutionaries of 1776. Let’s use our position of strength, take the Congress, and undo this monstrous bill without the need to fire a shot.

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  • Section9

    In fact, one of the Weapons we have is a tool that has gone unused by the Democrats:

    Oversight.

    In the hands of someone like Paul Ryan, subpoena power and oversight can be used to lay out a systematic case of Administration corruption and abuse of power, while also laying out a case for Conservatives policy alternatives.

    Further, we can show that Elections Have Consequences. When one elects Conservatives to power in the Republican party, one gets good stewardship of the public dollar. When one elects liberals or Me Too Republicans to power, chaos and spending result.

    Time for a teachable series of moments, to be used to our advantage. And as you say, put the Revolution in our back pocket. After all, the Left is ruthless, and cares little for democracy.

    T’is always best to be prepared.

  • gnomechumpsky

    we have to secure true conservatives to run. Overturning this will be difficult with a leftist president but it will also be more difficult over time. If people become complacent and slowly start to accept it, our work is likewise harder. We need to get rid of dems but also weak-kneed RINOS that infect our ranks

  • msctex

    Does one fight a Revolution to take back and restore what already exists, and stands as established? Even a coup doesn’t quite fit what is contemplated; we simply want an established Government to serve its intended purpose, as opposed to purposes in no way delineated in its charter. This is more like scraping barnacles off a hull, or the restoration of a work of art. . .

    There: I like that one. How about “The American Restoration.”

    I only mention this because semantics matter enormously. If more people knew the true definition of the words “Progressives” and “Reactionary,” for example, we’d all be a lot better off.

  • mschmitt
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I think every revolution has claimed that.

  • Hera

    My problem with the health care reform is that it was passed against the will of the people using bribes,threats and intimidation.I also know that the elites who passed this “reform” will exempt themselves from its consequences. The process reeks and stinks of tyranny.

  • mschmitt

    “Our opponents say that we can not afford to do this legislation. The fact is, that we can NOT afford to do this legislation” — Louis Slaughter

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    We need to commit to WINNING.

    But we need to commit to POLITICAL victory. That means backing RiNOS in the general.

    I pledge to support every Republican in the name of doing everything I can to defeat Obamacare.

    Will you do the same, or will you hold back?

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  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    But if so, and the people are against it, then you have the power to stop it without firing a shot. In November, DO IT.

  • mschmitt
  • E Pluribus Unum

    if Americans make their point, emphatically, right now, in the aftermath of this spectacularly arrogant and illegal act, I am not going to object.

    November is a long, long time off. These jokers need to know, right now, what it is like to have the full measure of righteous anger, by 60% of the country, landing on them.

  • Menlo

    There may be worse places, but there also are a whole lot of places I’d much rather be living; and if I had the money, I’d move to one of them.

    Regardless, elections won’t matter anymore.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    nt

  • bigmaude

    Please google dr. Rufus fears from the university of Oklahoma and find how slavery was once law of the land, just as abortion is now. President Lincoln believed all the trouble in his life including losing both sons, was because of his condoning slavery just by silence. May God move on the hearts of men about the national sin of murder as we watch a”pro-life” “statesman” vote yes for this bill. Executive order means nothing to barack, a man without conscience. Stupak just threw millions of our children in the trash. May he never sleep again…….

  • izoneguy

  • SteveLA

    Neil

    Any R votes at all for this monstrosity in the House? I lost track of what Congressman Cao was going to vote.

    If this passes, it will be hopefully with no R support.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Plenty of leftys said they would leave if Bush won in 2004, only to humiliate their movement when they stayed.

  • winnd54

    I just heard Stupak fold up like a cheap suit.

  • CowboyUp4419

    The Democrats have fitted themselves with their own albatross, all we need to do it remind people of it. And once the doc fix is repealed and this becomes a clear net financial burden we can easily repeal it through reconciliation once the American people return us to power. It’s a dark day, yes, but we’ve made the Democrats show their true colors and thus set ourselves up for victory after victory in the future.

  • http://www.objectivistcenter.org/ Eric Olsen

    And in so stating our position, I would remind everyone that the so-called “benefits” of this monstrosity won’t be seen for four years, while I understand that we’re to be taxed on them immediately.

    Even the most delusional progressive I know wouldn’t think of paying for an ounce of marijuana on the promise of “future delivery.”

    We shall see, indeed…

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    if for no other reason than to plan.

    So, one of us is wrong, but only one of us can afford to be wrong. We’ll know by November. I hope it’s me.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The USCCB came out strongly against the EO deal, so I don’t see Cao voting for it.

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  • mavericktime

    I know they’re the ones with all of the power right now. They’re the committee heads. And, I know that it’s the Blue Dogs, the pro-life Dems, and so-called moderates who have in the end sold out. But it’s the liberal power structure – the Waxmans, the Franks, the George Millers, the Pelosis – these old-timers HAVE GOT TO GO.

  • msctex

    The American Revolution was fought to overcome Monarchy and its overreaching powers. A true Revolution creates and begins something anew, hence the need for the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Unless we’re planning on writing a new Constitution, and we of course are not, then we need to acknowledge a Revolution is unnecessary. We simply need to return to our roots, and recognize the immense value of what stands already established and shamefully ignored. Hence, Restoration seems to me to be the perfect word, but if someone can do better, I’m all ears.

  • hickorystick
  • ocleverone
  • tcgeol

    nt

  • Menlo

    They had the means to move and live anywhere they wanted.

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  • gnomechumpsky

    I’ll back any RINO that wins their primary. Before that time I’ll be working for and donating to the more conservative candidate

    Fair enough?

  • cookcountyconservative

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/white-house-announces-executiv.html

    Not worth the paper it’s written on.

  • PaladinLostHour

    Non-violent, that is. “Judas” Stupak and his clown court need to be target number 1-12 for political retirement in ’10.

    Bart’s all whiny about the phone calls wifey had to take at 2AM – well, let’s ensure he’s back there in Michigan, 24/7, to take that load off her as of January 2011.

    Second thought – he’s not “Judas”. Judas at least got something of value for his betrayal. Bart’s more like the Peter, whose denied the truth at the most crucial juncture – out of fear.

  • zollistar

    Also, the word underscores the true goal.

    Take a bow msctex.

  • blogan2

    Watching the press conference: They’re staking on the fact that the president gave his word he would sign it and not jerk them around. Yeah, because Obama hasn’t broken his promise on anything.

  • msctex

    My point was “Does one fight a Revolution to take back and restore what already exists, and stands as established?” Of course every insurrection of any nature is going to claim it has God, Good, and all things Holy on its side. My point is we already have been provided access to the recipe, thus a true Revolution is not called for. We just need to return to our roots.

  • Section9

    ….because Republicans in power acted just like Democrats in power: Socialism Lite. I await in anticipation the RedState member who will tell me who is paying for Part D. Medicare.

    You want to spend like drunken sailors on Part D Medicare in the middle of a war and never use your veto pen? Just because you think Seniors will vote Republican forever in thanks? Didn’t work out that way, did it?

    Don’t be surprised when voters vote for the Socialists when you don’t draw any distinctions with the Socialists.

    We will spend decades, literally decades, digging this country out of bankruptcy because of Obama and Bush. Yes, I know, Bush held his nerve and is responsible for our victory in Iraq when others said “run away”. History will hail him for that. But the spending was irresponsible, and opened the door for Obama to spend like a madman.

    To build the Republican Party into a vehicle for Conservative thought and action worthy of being called the Party of Ronald Reagan should be our aim. Our opponents are ruthless and intend to suborn the Constitution to attain permanent power. HCR is merely a means to an end.

    We will have to be ruthless and unsparing in battle. No quarter will have to be given. These people mean to undo the Constitutional settlement of 1787 and replace it with some sort of New Order.

    We will have to use all peaceful means at our disposal, including everything Saul Alinsky taught the Left before he descended to Hell, but to save this country, we will have annihilate the progressives.

    It is long past time to stop being polite.

  • janis

    How then do you explain your actions to your children or grandchildren?

    “Well, kids, it was just easier than staying and fighting for what was right. So you remember that in the future when you are faced by evil– always run away. It’s just easier.”

    Where do you run when evil takes over the world because NOBODY wanted to stand up to it?

  • msctex

    donated to unseat Barney Frank.

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  • Section9

    He has betrayed the Unborn for Thirty Pieces of Silver and a promise on a piece of paper.

    Like Chamberlain and Deladier at Munich, he got nothing, and came away with even less than nothing: his reputation is in tatters.

    There is now NO REASON for pro-life Catholics to remain Democrats. None.

  • ciscoguy

    Considering the apparatus in place for us to restore individual liberty. However, if roughly half the body politic are on the side of the tyrants in power, we will see our liberties continue to erode with the ebb and flow of election cycles.

    In a way, that’s worse than an overnight government takeover. Many people learn to cope with the gradual loss of freedoms, but I think (hope) there will be a breaking point with Americans. We can only hope to turn this thing around peacefully and legislatively but my gut tells me a revolution will be inevitable – maybe not in our lifetimes, but sooner or later the power grab and underfunded government entitlements is going to come to a head.

  • CowboyUp4419

    Stupak’s claiming Pelosi had the votes without him. If you believe that I’ve got a bridge in New York I’d like to sell you. There is no way Pelosi and Obama would have given him the time of day if they didn’t need him. He knows how toxic this vote is and he’s already trying to insulate himself from it. Come on, Bart, at least have the guts to admit what you did; when someone pees on my leg and tries to tell me “It’s raining!” I’m smart enough to figure out what’s going on.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    If you can’t win an election how are you going to win a revolution?

  • Menlo

    Fortunately, I don’t have to worry about children and grandchildren; and I never will. My only close living family member is my mother.

  • http://cannedjam.com cannedjam

    we “won” than it is about fixing the actual problem. Hearing all these congressmen congratulate themselves on their pending bill, the bill that everyone agreed last week is severely flawed, just proves that.

    The problem is people just hear that people are suffering and that we have the power to fix it. A large portion of the public does not care about unintended consequences and they don’t care about the constitutional limitations of federal authority. It is sad that our federally elected officials don’t understand the constitution.

    Today I feel a bit naive that I put so much confidence in that document. It is sad, but the constitution is only as good as those who are willing to follow it. I hope someone with standing brings this before SCOTUS, and the constitution prevails.

  • treeofliberty

    nt

  • Hera

    It was Jefferson who said

    “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. ”

    Members of the House of Representatives clearly fear Nancy Pelosi more then they fear the people who pay their salaries. As Jefferson said that is Tyranny.

  • fpete13527

    Emphatically and dynamically!

  • ocleverone

    Professing to know what is right yet selling out the minute it’s convenient.

  • janis

    if you don’t have children to do it for. Does the welfare of anyone other than yourself mean something to you? Does the history of freedom in this country mean anything to you?

    If not, then feel free to leave. You will not be missed.

  • FortitudineVincimus

    Kathryn Lopez says there are still several Stupakers who are not buying the Executive Order (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODc0MzVjNmE0M2Y0MGM1Zjk0MzA1OWQwMzgyZWIyMTA=). “Appar to be Dan Lipinski, Jerry Costello, and Gene Taylor.”

    I don’t think the final vote will be until some time this evening. In the interim, I think Stupak will have to wrestle with is conscience. I’m heading out on a 3 hour bike ride and will be praying that he will find it impossible to continue on his current course.

  • robmartin_74

    obama wouldn’t know what honesty was if it came up and slapped him in the face. Stupak and his other 12 newest pro-death Democrats will have the blood of millions of murdered babies on his hands. How can you take the word of someone who voted repeatedly in favor of partial-birth abortion? That EO will never even be written, let alone signed, not that it would be worth the paper it is written on anyway.

  • robmartin_74

    Liberals seem to forget who the gun loving, Bible higging citizens of this nation are. And if obama thinks he will have the support of the troops, he is sadly mistaken.

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    Why do you think the Democrats will submit themselves to fair elections in the fall? They will use every means at their disposal to win – the MSM, ACORN, distorted census data, bribery, etc. Most likely they will move quickly for immigration reform so that illegals came become citizens and then vote for their benefactors – the Democrats.

    The American Revolution began when the people realized that taxation without representation reduced them to the level of slavery because only a slave could be deprived of his property without his consent. Today we have the Democratic party willing to rob us without our consent but with consent of those who would take our money. When did I become a slave to my fellow man?

    We need to reform our government back to the principles of 1776 and 1789. If the November elections are fraudulent or amnesty is used to get the Democrats the votes they need, then we need Revolution. The time will have come at that point.

  • lunarmanathome

    that many of you think that November will change anything. I’m ashamed at what my party accomplished in it’s control of the House and Senate -almost nothing of long term value and perpetuated fiscal irresponsibility.

    I am sickened by the ignorance and sheer stupidity of the vast body of the electorate in understanding the people they vote for and the legislation they vote on.

    I am not hopeful that even with a November win in the House, I don’t see the Senate following suite – possible, not probable. With the kind of revenue that this legislation brings in, and the inability of our elected representatives to actually cut spending – does anyone really believe that “health care reform” once enacted, is going to go away? The fight to kill it was last year in December.

    I’m not a defeatist, but I’ve seen the handwriting on the wall for months and it pisses me off to no end.

  • http://cannedjam.com cannedjam

    a Dem Rep on the floor claim that the current healthcare system is unconstitutional because people are not treated equally by the insurance companies in conflict with the 14th amendment?

    DO ANY OF THESE MORONS ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONSTITUTION?????

  • archer52

    What guarantee do you have that the democrats are going to play fair in the next election cycle? That in fact every vote will count, or that in close races there won’t be “discovered” or “misplaced” votes? In Minnesota that failed. In Washington State that failed. I’m sure in a number of lesser publicized elections it has failed.

    Do I support revolution? No. You are correct in stating it is a two-edged sword and we are not to that point, yet. That said, I think you forming the argument around just those two choices is limiting. There are tons of options available to us, long before we pick up muskets. Civil disobedience. Even civil unrest. boycotting of certain government functions. Denial of taxes to the federal government. Harassing tactics. Are they not telling us healthcare is a civil right? How did the people wanting their civil right back act in the sixties? More importantly DID IT WORK!!! Yes.

    Why would we want to do this? Simple. The left thinks they have us. They are more than willing to continue new advancements in their quest for control because they aren’t afraid of our genteel approach. They just lied, cheated, broke laws and ignored the will of the people. Our response? Signs, calls, protests. Shoot, that’s easy money for them to handle. They just ignored us and are planning in the next three years to do more damage. They accept that Obama is a one term president. They also accept it is only a year to maybe three before they lose their majority. This means they will be even more dangerous and aggressive. (Think Japanese soldiers in WWII knowing they had no other choice than to charge.)

    Neil in all due respect you hit them with everything you had and then some. Where did that leave us? Now your plan it to do the same thing again? And they will ignore that too. I suggest just running the level of anxiety up a tad. They can’t stay in D.C. forever. If the representative that voted yes comes home. He or she doesn’t get one day off. Not one. He goes to eat, take his photo and who he is with. Sit down next to him and ask him how he feels about corruption in Congress or if, when we get the power back, has he any worries about going to prison.

    Be nice. He or she may have actually believed they were doing the right thing and were just another “useful idiot” the radical left is using (Stupak comes to mind). When they come back to their office locally, they shouldn’t find anyone around that will sell them anything, feed them anything, talk to them, certainly not play golf or hang out with them. No free gifts or looking the other way. He walks out of his office to get fresh air he should have to look at a sign, or a group of people booing him. No coming up for air. He goes home and sees the same thing. He meets with a donor and you sit down in the next booth with a tape recorder and a smile. Remind him he is a lame duck representative. Don’t return his phone calls or emails. Cut his donations.

    We should support our state officials in their pursuit of legal blocking maneuvers. We should form groups in order to fund any legal challenges individuals will bring forth. Fund them now. Let Erickson or one of your people coordinate them.

    The elected representatives in this government have long accepted they are above the law and the citizens. Some almost feel like demi-gods. Not all can fly on military transports like Pelosi. They have to sleep, eat, shop, live with us now. Make that as uncomfortable as you can.

    But remember not just because of this vote, but for the next one they are thinking they can get away with.

    The people your representative just voted with to crush your rights are not nearly finished. They want your land, your kids, your future, your retirement, your education, your life to belong to them. Some because they think they can handle it all better than you, some because they know if they hold all of those things hostage, you’ll do their bidding. Just study Europe and the lives of the non-elites. Are we them? (I read a recent story where in Demark the average worker gives 70% of his income to taxes. SEVENTY!! Ask yourself if that were your burden what chance of getting out of your home, your town, sending your kids to a decent school (without asking for a government approved loan), or getting anything extra that would make your life better?)

    At some point what they do to you goes beyond just politics as usual.

    Just an opinion.

  • herenow11

    Please, somebody, tell me how.

    I’m not kidding. I’m having something of an existential crisis here. I want to wake up and still feel proud. I want to wake up and know that my 70-year-old parents are proud. I want to cheer for the United States in the World Cup this summer. I want to feel that familiar chill when I hear the national anthem. I want to see the flag and know it’s mine. I want to walk around the mall, and my workplace, and my neighborhood, and look around able to say, “These are my people. We are us.”

    I want the surge of pride and confidence that comes from knowing that I live in the one place that is unique in human history, the place that represented humankind’s greatest achievement: the recognition that men should live free.

    This isn’t that place now. At least it doesn’t feel like it. Nobody had a right to take this from me, and I’m simultaneously depressed and filled with blinding rage.

  • robmartin_74

    Stupak was quoted on gatewaypundit saying that he would have voted on this abortion of a bill regardless of whether or not the abortion language was in it or not so he was lying the entire time!

  • rbdwiggins

    There are no pro-life Democrats in the United States Congress. Their lip-service has been proven to be nothing more than a dishonest election ploy laid bare.

  • mavericktime

    David Frum: “if HCR prevails, Republicans need an accountability moment. Jim DeMint/ Rush / Beck etc. ed us to Waterloo all right . Ours.”

  • janis

    They can talk about the places they used to shop at and eat out at back when their husbands had a decent reputation. They’ll be reduced to shopping online and getting pizza delivered for a long time to come.

  • Menlo

    I think you are confusing difficult with impossible. There is nothing that can be done to fix things in the current system of government with the current population and its way of thinking and way of life.

    Unfortunately though, I am not “free to leave”given that other countries don’t let people in to live unless they have millions of dollars or a special employment authorization.

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  • The_Rebel

    there is one fly in the ointment. Even if we “take the Congress and undo this monstrous bill”, with Obama as President he will certainly veto our efforts. That is, unless you think we will get a veto-proof Congress.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    I’ve been in revolt for ten years or more, so either your def and my def of revolt are different (as is likely), or you’re suggesting I stand down, in which case one of us is wrong, dead wrong. Because if this bunch can, they will “end politics” by the end of year. Health care is but the first step.

    If I’m right it’s good to have a Plan B, C, etc. …formulated now, not then.

    Like I said, I hope you’re right.

  • JSobieski

    I wouldn’t give up on today’s vote just yet

  • eva3071

    personally make sure Stupak goes down in November. Antenora awaits him who betrayed the nation.

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  • Ann_W

    Liberals still have a lot of power and are making strides at marginalizing the Tea Party movement with that video with the man with Parkinson’s disease and the latest claims by Lewis, Frank and the other man about slurs. People who are not a part of protests are going to start believing the MSM lies about opponents to the president’s ideas being racist. They might not believe it at first but sheer repetition, then these made-up stories and then people that make them laugh Stewart, Letterman etc. pick up the theme and it’s accepted fact.

    We need to be playing offense, not defense. We need African-American conservatives going in with hidden cameras at liberal events. We need to be more savvy about the culture war. It’s going to take video to fight back for a certain part of the population.

  • http://cannedjam.com cannedjam

    I am literally in tears reading your post because I feel the same way. I am not sad because “we lost” (I can care less about partisanship); I know America lost. What makes us special is being stripped. There was a time when we celebrated our uniqueness, now that uniqueness is under attack.

    The world is losing something special. I hope we can reverse this trend.

    The one thing I know, is that this vote today will make me get actively involved in protecting what I have taken for granted.

    If that means getting politically involved, joining protests, or simply not biting my tongue (out of civility) when I am at a party and political subjects come up in passing.

    Just take some solace the fact that despite what is going on today millions of Americans share your sentiments.

  • janis

    Are you really that satisfied to accept defeat and hopelessness? Wow. I thank God that you are in the minority here. Keep looking around, Menlo, because surely there is SOME country out there that wants someone like you.

  • Menlo

    Obama nominee for solicitor general (I think) said that the inability to get an abortion was tantamount to slavery.

    These are the very people TEACHING “the Constitution.” Indeed she, together with both Biden and Obama are among them. These very ideas are from all the “Constitutional law experts.”

  • louisiana

    AAron wrote a great diary about circumventing Congress using the EPA, FCC,etc. Remember Pelosi saying they would do “everything necessary” to pass deathcare. I have to believe this will apply to future legislation, elections,et al. At what loss of freedom do we draw the line?

  • SunDogII

    There is one thing that must be acknowledged from this fight. The democrats are now fully disengaged from the constitution. When the politicians who are elected to represent the people (House of Representatives), identify more with the power of the Federal Government than those people, we are close to necessary rebellion.

    Otherwise we slowly sink into dictatorship.

  • joayn

    Period. They all got us to this point. They all need to answer.

  • The_Rebel

    He can just veto the whole bill that lays out the funding.

  • ciscoguy

    nt

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The voters don’t like people who shut down the government, which is why Republicans sto pped doing that.

    If Obama is willing to try it for himself this time… to quote Jesse Helms, let him try.

  • JSobieski

    and the other RHINO-lovers who have us the 2008 election results.

  • saltlick

    I volunteered to work for my local GOP this weekend, after having dropped out of activism for the last 10 years. I will work singlemindedly to effect change through the ballot box in November. It’s going to be a blast.

    On the other hand, knowing the kind of enemies we face, and their capacity for a coup in 2012, I will continue to make other types of preparations.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    Go get a copy of the “The Policially Incorrect Guide to the Constitution” and check out the Tenth Amerndment Center (www.tenthamendmentcenter.com). Pivot to your state legislatures and governors. Lawsuits are great, I think we should persue them, but they are a band-aid for the problems we face. The soveriegn Pariament of Britain (a centralized power) was the catalyst for the Revolutionary War. Our founders intent was to create a governement that was as opposite to centralized power as one could possibly get. Many of the wiser ones noted that what we had created would, over time, consolodate power back into a central governement. They were wise – very wise.

    A tiny island off the coast of France is now replaced by a small city in DC. The sovereign power of the states, usurped by a nationalist judiciary, has allowed this to happen. So while lawsuits are fine, it is obvious that tyrants rule the land and to address our fiscal problems and ensure the federal government’s power is transported back to the states where it belongs, the pursuit of nullification is, in my opinion, the only real long-term solution. The federal government cannot check itself from unbounded power. Therefore, it must be placed back into the correct context. Nullification is one way to do this and do it non-violently.

    However, it will require the time and dedication of millions, in every state, to pressure and stand by their state governement.

    Think of MLK and the Civil Rights movement. Think of non-violent passive-aggressive resistance to tyranny. Revolutionary – yes. Revolution – no. Study the approach, study the context of when the original constitution was written. Get the book I referenced above – it is a fun read. Learn about nullification. Act.

  • The_Rebel

    n/t

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  • CowboyUp4419

    We made the Democrats expend all their political capital to pass something they always had the votes to do and have made several Democrat House members just walk the plank. They got what really they always should have had but we made them pay dearly for it AND have given ourselves a great campaign issue to run on. If anything DeMint deserves a medal for his work on this issue.

  • JSobieski

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/85693-whip-watch-the-hills-survey-of-house-dems-positions-on-healthcare-

  • streiff

    if you read a history of the American revolution you’ll find that even during the siege of Boston our leaders were professing loyalty to the Crown and blaming “ministerial troops” for the violence.

    It was only when it became obvious that the British government wouldn’t negotiate a political deal to restore the status quo ante (by ante I mean ante 1763) that they went the route of independence.

  • rbdwiggins

    Has the GOP ever held a 60-vote majority in the US Senate?

    Alright, two questions…

    Which Party controlled the US Senate during President Bush’s two-terms in office?

  • Paige Dulli

    Facebook page is on fire. He is Stupak’s opponent. Folks from all over the country are pledging support and money.

  • http://freealabamastan.blogspot.com pabarge1

    You want to know who made all this (HCR) possible? Karl Rove and GWB.

    Had they not sold out every Conservative principle and engaged in big government, big spending and tolerance for moderate Republicans, we would not be living with DEMONcrats in both houses of Congress and the White House.

    Thanks for nothing, putas.

  • http://cannedjam.com cannedjam

    is that the people who vote these morons into office don’t understand the document either.

    I can’t tell you how hard it is to argue with people that my opposition to this legislation is the constitutionality. Everyone I know who is in favor of this finds it impossible to separate the legality from the “benefits” (i put benefits in quotes because in addition to the constitutionality issue I do not buy this is a good bill). People just say “but don’t you think it is sad that people get sick, and don’t you think we should do something about it?”

    I say, “well if that the case then there is a process in the constitution that spells out how to amend the enumerated powers of the federal government to establish such a system. If enough of the house and senate and states agree then you can have your Obamacare and I can’t argue against it.” They just look at me like a am crazy.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Democrats 4 years, Republicans 4 years.

  • lunarmanathome

    cherish the freedom to call me what you will.

    I have 1 staunchly conservative (McMorris) Rep and 2 very socialist Senators (Murray and Cantwell), 2 Purple Hearts and 2 Bronze Stars from a lifetime of service. Kind of amazed that during my service protecting something precious, it changed into something I barely recognize.

    I would introduce you to your teeth if I took this personally, but will say just because you say so, doesn’t make it so. Good day sir

  • joayn

    compliments of AOShq. Chump.

    http://minx.cc/?post=299658

  • thelonebostonconservative

    All you people in conservatives states that elect losers like Pomeroy, Boccieri, and Ellsworth.

  • mavericktime

    http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

  • http://itsaboutfreedom.proboards.com IronDioPriest

    …But I also acknowledge that the fact that discussions of revolution or civil war breaching the mainstream is indicative of the government’s transgression against the constitution and the citizenry.

    This is tyranny we’re looking at people. When 535 people plus an executive thwart the clear will of the people and jeopardize the very concepts of federalism and liberty whilst burdening our children with slavery in the form of insurmountable debt, we are living under tyranny.

    The fact that there is currently relative peace in the traditional sense does not lessen the tyranny. No tyrannical regime begins how it ends. They begin by chipping away at opportunity, rights, and national unity. No one knows were this is going. But to automatically assume that it could not end badly simply because “we are America and we don’t do that” would be a very foolish assumption to make.

    Barack Hussein Obama and the Socialists are about to force the citizenry to consider a wider array of options in how to approach a redress of grievances against this government. The traditional mechanisms are not working.

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  • Section9

    Time to fight fire with fire, so to speak.

    Neil, if you’ll recall, said “keep the Revolution in the back pocket”.

    The point is to USE ALINSKY’S METHODS TO DESTROY PROGRESSIVES.

    This is not a polite debating society anymore. These people are not interested in the Constitution, but in power. They have given us “Rules for Radicals” a road map to destroying them. And our movement is growing.

    We need to wage war, so to speak, without remorse, against these people who would enslave the rest of us.

    Then when we do get power back, remember what Art Chance tried to tell Sarah Palin: purge all the bastards out of DC and send them packing.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Yeah, read a newspaper. Obama is President now.

  • redneck_hippie

    of The Pledge to Sustain the Continental Congress. This has been also called The Revolutionary Pledge of 1775.

    The signers were very worried, especially with the fracas in Massachusetts, that their law and order could give way to anarchy. Thus, they wished to state their position, thus:

    ?PERSUADED that the salvation of the rights and liberties of America depends, under God, on the firm union of its inhabitants in a rigorous prosecution of the measures necessary for its safety, and convinced of the necessity of its preventing the anarchy and confusion which attends a dissolution of the powers of government, WE, the freemen, freeholders and inhabitants of the County of Orange, being greatly alarmed at the avowed design of the ministry, to raise a revenue in America, and shocked by the bloody scene now acting in Massachusetts Bay, DO in the most solemn manner resolve never to become slaves, and do associate under all the ties of religion, honor and love of our country, to adopt and endeavor to carry into execution whatever measures may be recommended by the Continental Congress, or resolved upon by this Provisional Congress for the purpose of preserving our Constitution, and opposing the execution of the several arbitrary and oppressive acts of the British Parliament, until a reconciliation between Great Britain and America on constitutional principals (which we most ardently desire) can be obtained; and that we will in all things follow the advice of our respective committees respecting the purpose aforesaid, the preservation of peace and good order and the safety of individuals and property.”

    In other words, they were still hoping not to go to war but were bound together in the cause of liberty. This was signed in the several counties of the state of New York in 1775.

    Doesn’t sound like they were atheists back then. Does sound like they had already counted up their muskets, though. Totally agree with all you’ve written, and I refuse to let dejection daunt my spirits. Sure, maybe we lost today’s battle. We also have right on our side.

  • leftylurker

    nt

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Tread carefully in this thread.

  • mavericktime

    I think if the Democrats had different leadership, we would see vastly different legislation.

  • winnd54

    Stupak is on Gretta right now and as he talks his eyes are blinking as fast as Pelosi does when she talks. I always thought that this was an indication that the person is lying.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    http://www.redstate.com/gman2008/2010/03/21/nullification-a-primer/

  • Menlo

    I don’t like it, but it’s the way things are. I don’t know what exactly you expect could be done, but a lot of what I read around here is extremely unrealistic given the way people, businesses, elected officials, and appointed officials believe and behave.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Not here.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    They are still fighting on the floor.

  • http://www.bejohngalt.com Justrand

    the 1st Amernment allows us to speak, and assemble…in order to make ourselves heard by our government.

    the 2nd Amerndment is there in case they ever completely stop listening to us.

    November 2010 will tell the tale. I PRAY they are listening.

  • joayn

    Love the bam stick. Now if you can keep an eye on mavericktime …

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    They all fought.

    And since they’re likely to lose even Cao, this means that our GOP elected leaders will have ben unanimous against Obamacare.

  • writeblock

    1. First, there’s no such thing as a pro-life democrat. It’s an pretext to win votes. That’s all it ever was.

    2. The next stage of this battle is the Supreme Court. His appointments make all the difference.

    3. This has clarified the future for us. Our agend is to destroy liberalism and the statism it has spawned–if not all at once, in stages. We must do on the national level what Christie is doing in NJ. There’s a lot that must go: the Dept. of Education, the EPA, NPR, support for the UN, foreign aid, aid to the arts, to academia–the list is seemingly endless.

    4. We need tougher leaders. Pelosi, whatever else you may think of her, is tough. We were WRONG to go for McCain and lose Rudy. We need to be smarter–and meaner in the future. We don’t need smooth talkers like Romney and Huckabee. We don’t need nice guys like the Bushes. We need warriors to lead us–people who get angry and make things happen–fighters.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    A little narrow, don’t you think? But then, you have one and only one definition of “nullification”, from history, I guess. I’m more broad.

    I’ve been in revolt, and helped others be in revolt for years. Get paid for it in fact. But we never broke out a gun. I do however, advocate breaking out rolled-up newspapers from time to time.

    But the threat, the fear, elected members need to live with it every day.

    That’s how I see it.

  • Woo_girl

    I feel lost, the country I grew up in, learned about in school and how it all was suppose to work isn’t working. There were suppose to be checks and balances and the will of the people was suppose to be listened to. It’s now being run by criminals and I blame myself for letting it happen, I shouldn’t have been complacent, I should have always taken an interest in political things I should not have ever left it to others. I never once thought for one moment that revolutionaries were sitting in the sidelines waiting for their moment to take down my country.

    WELL, I’M SORRY, BUT I’M AWAKE NOW! And I will do everything in my power to make your sorry life a living hell, just as you’ve made mine for the last year. I DID NOT SIT UNDER A DESK WAITING FOR THE WINDOWS TO BLOW IN FROM A NUCLEAR BOMB FROM RUSSIA TO LET YOU TAKE OVER MY COUNTRY. I will not, as long as there is life left in me, let you do this.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    It’s Frum that’s the jerk. :-)

  • writeblock

    I meant to suggest this now goes to the SC where Bush’s appointees will make all the difference.

    I’m not discouraged–and neither are the American people. But they’re mad as hell. This will never stand. Never.

  • msctex

    Can we simply acknowledge we have a Constitution for this nation which, if put to intended practice, would keep any number of our current larger problems from manifesting? That if Government would perform its intended role as opposed to intruding into aspects of our lives where it has neither place nor function, that we would be better off? Save the arguments about the evolution of the American Revolution for another day. Some rather important things are going on.

  • rbdwiggins

    Don’t expect a timely response from a ghost…

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  • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

    … or to put it another way, White House, Stupak & “Pro-Life” Dems reach pact on health care reform

    POTUS’ executive order will have all the teeth of enforcement behind it as does any other spineless & toothless slippery eel

    http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew27.htm

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Turns out that though the aluminum bat under my bed is a handy weapon for a street fight, but a blamstick is even handier for an Internet tough guy contest. :-)

  • mbecker908
  • mavericktime

    It’s almost a dereliction of duty that our leaders allowed this to pass.

    I don’t know whether the Republican leadership used the right strategy. Frum obviously thinks they did not.

    I don’t know if bipartisanship was possible when the Democrats’ approach to reform differed so dramatically from the Republicans’. The Democrats wanted to increase coverage and the Republicans were focused on controlling costs. The only bill that I saw that could have gotten bipartisan support was the Wyden-Bennett bill, which would have been 1,000 times better than what the Democrats have put together.

  • msctex

    . . .that we’re all in a fighting mood, but damn. I’m arguing for the sanctity of the Constitution, and finding friction.

  • joayn

    want to go there unless Pelosi really couldn’t get the votes.

    Thanks, Chump Stupak! Is that fig leaf big enough for ya?

  • http://www.objectivistcenter.org/ Eric Olsen

    His twitter account is just ridiculously active!!!!

  • writeblock

    What we need is determination and organization. November is not far away. They’ll get their way for now–but we need to wipe that smile off their faces in eight short months. If we take the House, we starve the program. That’s just a start. We kill it in 2012.

  • mavericktime

    Maybe Republicans can beat the Democrats in November, and take over Congress, but that’s not a given. I don’t know who chose the strategy to oppose, oppose, oppose, but we’ll see if it works electorally.

    But, even if it does, I do not believe, based on past history, that Republicans will repeal this bill once it becomes law.

    Plus, Obama will still be the president. He certainly wouldn’t sign a repeal measure.

  • proudgop

    We must throw all these socialists out. They made their bed and will have to lie in it now

    we already have had primary selection to throw out Bean, Halverson, Foster in IL ( Walsh, Kinzinger, Hultgren)

    The ND Convention was held yesterday and republicans selected State Rep Berg to take on Pomeroy

    every seat is in play but we stay active and motivated we have seen what every vote and seat mean today

  • mavericktime

    Has it been proven that there were racial comments yesterday? I wouldn’t be surprised if the Democrats made it up.

  • joayn
  • mbecker908

    Well, without reading anything else you’ve ever written – although I will admit I have – I DO know something. Based on that one statement you are dumb as a box of rock. Singular. Two rocks have you hands down in the IQ department.

    Sheesh.

  • obladioblada

    on Dr. Dan Benishek’s FaceBook account. It could be money bomb time, his members are growing at an unbelievable rate. Benishek is Stupak’s Republican opponent.

    Sorry that I’m pitiful with links, but I’ll give it my best shot:
    Benishek for Congress

    “Benishek is committed to principles of personal responsibility and limited government. He stands firmly with the people of America?s heartland, sharing conservative positions on key issues such as private-sector job creation, fiscal responsibility, tax-rate reduction, secure borders, free-market healthcare reform, energy independence, strong national defense, second amendment rights and, most important, sanctity of life from conception to natural death.”

  • mavericktime

    If ObamaCare’s legitimacy is to be challenged.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    She said we need to infiltrate the LEFT’S events.

  • joayn

    that make me think moby.

  • Kyle-MI

    First Nelson (D-NE) and now Stupak. There is no such thing as a pro-life democrat. Dems who claim to be pro-life are lying through their teeth.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The fact is that the Democrats just proved Frum wrong. They were ready, willing, and able to ram this down our throats without our cooperation.

    Any cooperation we gave would only have made it EASIER for them to pass this solid B+ of a bill, not harder. The bill would have been WORSE because the Democrats would have to put fewer of their own at risk to pass it, if they had Republican votes to count on.

  • joayn
  • Scope

    So much has happened with this administration, and, so fast. Unfortunately not many are paying attention to things that purposely don’t make the MSM news cycle. This is all about the Idiot keeping some sembelence of credibility. As Pelosi said, there will be much more legislation that will happen after the success of Socialized medicine. If he can get this passed, with the majority of the country against it, he will just keep pushing the envelope of trickery. By November it may well be way to late to even think about Republican majorities. If if they get the majority, the Congress has been so basteridized, and Czaridized, it won’t make the first difference. Now is the time to scream and shout. Back every AG in every state to repeal as much as possible. This fight is much to critical to wait until November.

    When this passes tonight, the American people will take over.

  • caseoftheblues

    …and there are some Dems wanting distance themselves …yes we are talking veto proof….considering the goals that the Liberals/Oppressive Patry had for themselves and the take down of this country I consider that a very mild goal.

  • graciegirl

    NONE of this starts for four years and…
    Requiring insurance companies to accept pre-existing conditions and never be able to cut anyone off plus ” kids” getting to be on their parents ins by Cobra until 26…all starts right now.

    Does anybody know the truth? Because if those provisions start now people will start to like this. Not realizing the big picture, :(

  • mbecker908
  • Scope

    Forget your Congressman phone calls. Put your focus now on the state Attorneys General The only chance we have now, of turning this back, is with your state. Call your Governor, Attorney General, and, every member in your state Legislature. Put the pressure there now.

  • writeblock

    The problem is that it reverses the roles of citizens and their government, making government supreme–our virtual master. It would use a swollen and unionized bureaucracy to intrude into every corner of our lives. It usurps the role of doctors and patients and sets up bureaucrats to determine what kind of medical treatments we will get, regardless of what we or our physicians might deem necessary. It forces us to pay for services we may not want or need. It pries into our personal financial accounts and gives the IRS confiscatory powers. It subsidizes abortions. It would starve our defense and rob us of prosperity and national prestige, putting us into a financial hole we may never climb out of. It wrecks the best medical system in the world and substitutes long waits for treatments, fewer doctors and inevitable rationing. In short, who cares HOW it passes–the problem is WHAT is being passed.

  • joayn

    as far as I know. What, is he going to veto all bills just because they don’t contain funding for this crap sammich?

  • joayn
  • CowboyUp4419

    MI-01 is R+3. I see no reason at all it shouldn’t be on our list of targets.

    With so many Democrats engaging in this mass political suicide the only problem is deciding whom to aim at first after Stupak’s been dispatched.

  • CowboyUp4419

    And Frum is about to have a bunch of Democrats for company to serve as a reminder for the rest of us that everyone has the right to be wrong.

  • wgsampson

    they have to go home sometime. Follow them home. Protest them at their favorite restaurants. Let them know that they are not welcome in their own hometowns. Harass them whenever they are in town and make their spouses lives miserable the rest of the time. See how many will quit before November. It is easier and cheaper to beat no one.

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  • avgjo

    One of the folks on one of the sites had a great idea.

    The republicans should merely attach a repeal of this load of sh.. to EVERY bill. When he doesn’t sign, call him an obstructionist. When he whines like a mule about not doing anything, just tell him, ‘look sir, just respect the will of the American people and we can do all kinds of things to get America moving again.’

    Let him put that feather in his hat.

  • CowboyUp4419

    How dumb does he have to feel right now? The sweetheart deal that secured his vote (and will cost him his political career in 2012) is going to be stripped out in the reconciliation package so he won’t even be able to claim he did it for the pork. Whores at least get something in return for what they do so it wouldn’t even be technically correct to degrade those people by comparing them to Ben Nelson.

    Is the term for people who just give it away a CoC violation?

  • wgsampson

    I think that maybe the last 16 months has earned him a shot at speaker.

  • writeblock

    …The National Recovery Act was a big deal. It intruded into American commerce in an unprecedented way and mandated that even small businesses must increase the salaries of their employees and comply with a host of other restrictions and regulations determined by Washington. It was the American version of Italian fascism, a centralized control of American commerce. Hollywood wooped it up, backing the program with film shorts and newsreels pushing the program.

    What happened was this. Some small chicken markets couldn’t live up to the regulations and the shop owners were threatened with imprisonment unless they complied. These small sellers sued–and the case went all the way to the Supreme Court. The chicken merchants won and the NRA was declared unconstitutional. It was a horrific blow to the left and to America’s experiment with fascism. Ring any bells? History seems to be repeating itself.

  • banzaibob

    Stupak just lost his spine as well as most of the otehr holdouts. If they think the public is going to forget they’re absolutly wrong. If Stupak thinks Obama will keep his word he is got another thing coming. Obama will use the executive order to keep Stupak right where he wants him. Gee Bart I would hate to see you vote against future legislation because I would hate to see that EO I pomised you to go away.

    Stupak is now Obama’s BI%%H.

  • rbdwiggins

    is vastly more important than gender or the color of one’s skin, and I’d say that the Tea Partiers fill that bill quite nicely.

    Note: Carson and Lewis lied…

  • avgjo

    is that in exchange for these ‘benefits’, they are going to get wait lists, death panels, rationing of services and medicine. They are taking good medicine for 85% of the population, to supposedly help 15%, and they will screw it up for 100%.

    No more politics as usual.

    Fight for repeal .

    Fight for the destruction of the Democrat Party.

    check out my diary.

    thanks.

  • writeblock

    Not as long as the GOP holds the line. We now can filibuster, remember? In eight short months we’ll be much much stronger.

  • wgsampson

    Make everyone that they know and love realize that they are not wanted. Violence would make tham martyrs. We don’t need that.

  • obladioblada

    in targeting the Stupak gang sellouts first, followed by every Dem that receives permission from Pelosi to vote No– those who went Yes the last time, but vote No after it becomes apparent that the Dems have the numbers. But there will be more than enough targets after that…

  • joayn

    By your statement you seem to be willing to give all “non-liberal” Democrats a pass at the polls this November because, just maybe, with different leadership things may have been different?

    Well, okay. I think that if Ronald Reagan was president today this probably wouldn’t be happening. I also think that if Nancy Pelosi was born a man, she probably wouldn’t be speaker of the house. As a matter of fact, if she was a man, she probably might even be a Republican.

    Hey, your logic’s fun to do!

  • mavericktime

    But why would we need conservative African Americans to infiltrate? I don’t understand the logic of that.

  • oldoldmom

    but like you stated,all the other requirements begin after Obama signs the bill.

  • wgsampson

    the Dems are going to have to defend 20+ seats in the senate in 2012 and 2014. Republicans will only have to defend around 10 each time. This is going to take a while, but the SCOTUS decision against McCain-Feingold only helps us.

  • mavericktime

    Then almost all current Members of Congress should go.

  • Scope

    hasn’t old Harry promised to end the filibuster once Obamacare is passed? They loved it when the R’s were in power, now they want to change it so they can further deteriorate the country.

  • Scope

    it’s something very different than 8 “short” months. With Obamacare passing, it is opening the floodgates. Watch it happen before your eyes.

  • LeaveMeAlone

    When the burden of government becomes too heavy, its representatives too unresponsive, its actions too offensive to a society of free people, it is not simply the right, it is the absolute duty of those same free people to take action as necessary to reclaim their own destiny and reassert themselves as the masters of their own lives and fates.

    What form this shall take rests entirely on the tenacity with which the oppressive governing institutions cling to their structures of power. I pray that the process is peaceful.

  • weatherford

    Let the RINOS fend for themselves, if they can.

    Our goal needs to be to defeat ALL Dems and to elect our hard core.

    If you want to go into battle with country-club idiots, go ahead.

    As for me, I want comrades who will not run at the first sonic boom of a bullet. Not cowards posturing as “reasonable.” My friend, it just dont work when it gets thin.

    Twenty who will attack are better than a thousand who are watching their butts.

    You and I must not have been in the same war.

  • joayn

    They don’t seem to be sticklers for following immigration laws.

  • raydawggie

    I’d love to get as many Conservatives in high office as possible, but at this point, I will back any Republican against any Democrat.

    Today’s vote shows why a bad Republican is preferable to a Democrat.

  • usedtobelib

    instinctively knew that Demint’s words of a Waterloo were the wrong thing to say the moment we heard it because the big Lefties, the Hollywood sorts who like to bark and bark and bark were intent from that moment. They began nipping at Obama’s heels, making it impossible for him to back off.

    Anyone who follows sports knows that you don’t say stuff like that out loud It or if you do, you pay. What it fuels is intensity and determination, something that they found when they played the “reconcilation” card.

    Speaking of which…the GOP did a horrible job of repeating Byrd’s admonitions and restrictions on reconcilation. His words should have been played over and over and over again right up to this vote, but the GOP let the media get used to the idea. Bad strategy again. The GOP finds a card, plays it, then lets it die.

  • rbdwiggins
  • usedtobelib

    that should have been repeated for the last several months by every GOP elected official:

    “They are taking good medicine for 85% of the population, to supposedly help 15%, and they will screw it up for 100%.”

    Oh, I know, they alluded to this, but that’s not the same as creating a slogan or a pithy statement. Aren’t there ANY language specialists guided our guys?

    Hell, Obama got elected on one word-change.

  • joayn

    as having no legal standing to change a federal law. All and any changes to a federal law must be enacted by congress. Period.

    Stupak was begging for cover so he could vote for this, plain and simple. His yes vote shows how desperate he was to stay and vote with his party.

  • wgsampson

    1. State AG’s are filing suit for us. I already wrote to mine.

    2. State Legislatures are going to gear up for Nullification and 10th amendment type challenges. I think Governors and Lt. Governors can take a lead on that. I wrote to these guys too.

    and

    3. We the people with our rolled up newspapers, harassing democrats of any stripe into obscurity.

  • joayn
  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    If nullification is to work, it must be done in multiple states and you must be prepared to stand shoulder to should with your reps. If you buckle, they will buckle. If the feds remove federal funding, ensure your state’s nullification language contains state tax escrow accounts where tax dollars are held first by the states before being sent to the federal governement. Ensure legislation is present that requires federal officals to get permission from the local sheriff before taking any action inside the state.

    Many states, many escrow accounts, penalties for federal officials who break the law within the state. Education about 10th amendment rights, leadership, and teamwork are the only way to make this happen. Passisve aggressive non-violence is the also a critical component.

    Strength in numbers. Conviction. Are we ready? It won’t be easy.

  • winnd54

    I was told in church to be sure and fill out my census form to guaranty that my state would get federal money. Wow. Bribing us with our own money.

  • banzaibob

    before they start eating. No telling how many times it gets dropped, spit on or some other unsavory act may occur.

  • joayn

    That’s what they want us to do. They want us all to become eeyores.

    Just think of all the countries who are watching us now. What do you think they’re seeing? Thousands of people protesting in our capitol, representing millions, resisting and rejecting socialism and all the liberal ideals held dear by our president and his minions.

    They will be watching us all the way until November, with all the races in between. And they will see races won. By us. Overwhelmingly.

    We are showing them that we are AMERICANS. WE represent the United States of America, not Obama, Pelosi et al.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Sneak in cameras and capture the truth.

  • CowboyUp4419

    I lost track after Stupak announced “I don’t know him. I don’t know him. I don’t know him.” Which of the Democrat “No” votes are just making their intentions known now that it looks like Pelosi has the votes? They shouldn’t get much of a pass just because Stupak sold out to give them cover.

  • chbroussard

    Like I said in an earlier post, the most egregous politicians need to be our main focus, and that’s the Democrats. I have already been sending $$ to conservative candidates, but if they don’t win their primary, I will support the RINO, even if I have to hold my nose to do so,

  • saltlick

    Plus, Obama will still be the president. He certainly wouldn?t sign a repeal measure.

    Oh, please let that scowling, condescending face snarl its teleprompted lines as he tells the American public he will veto a repeal passed by a new Republican Congress propelled into office by the rage against ObamaCare.

    Please, from your lips to God’s ears.

  • joayn

    They all need the Nelson treatment, their families included. They should get no reprieve from their vote.

    No violence or even profanity (that’s considered assault), just statements from the (very po’d) heart.

    All of these people must be reminded of why they should fear the people.

  • LeaveMeAlone

    It would be sweet if every local business proprietor were to refuse to serve any of these cockroaches when they show up back home in their districts. Refuse them even entry to the premises. Get the local papers/stations to report it, and let the proven influence of social stigma work its magic.

  • joayn

    were covering four square blocks. Wow. Those are the pics the world is seeing, folks!

  • avgjo

    We have to go on, sorry to use the word, a propaganda campaign. I don’t mean untruth. I mean the truth packaged and presented in the right way, to get what we want.

    The destruction of Obamacare.

    The destruction of the Democrats.

    Are you guys game?

  • wgsampson

    love is an action. If you need inspiration take a look at the Tea Partiers who sacrificed their personal treasure to go to DC twice this month just to fight for this Country and her Constitution. A few years ago I stopped being a Republican, but I can honestly say that today I have never been more proud of them. I feel blessed that I found Redstate, so that I could learn so much from and be inspired so deeply by many of the regulars here. They are true American Patriots. A sight like this could only exist in America. We have to thank our Founding Fathers and the 1st Ammendment for that. The Constitution is still alive, and it will never die unless we let it. I have lived most of my adult life like many others. I knew what was going on politically, but I wasn’t engaged. Well now I am, and I may not be very proud of her right now, but you know, I love this country.

    During WWII our soldiers spent days sloshing around on landing craft in the English Channel waiting and wondering what was going to be their fate. Where they going to go back to Engalnd or on to France and possible death. I can’t imagine how nervous they were. But, when they finally got their orders, they picked up their rifles, and they got the job done. My stomach has been in knots all week because of this, and I’m sure not facing the same fate as those brave boys, but now, the order has been given, the knots are gone, I am energized, and the order is ATTACK.

  • avgjo

    It is the backbone of the modern income tax system.

    Along with cuts to the IRS, this would be our holy grail.

    Wanna stop this BS real quick?

    That’s how.

  • avgjo

    Save your country. Don’t give up. Most people are sheep. Be a shepherd, and you can do it.

    We need to take up the mantle and lead.

    We can and should save this country. And then, we can take our rage out on these people thru the courts and corrections.

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  • treeofliberty

    and a dooche with hardly any conservative support

  • wgsampson

    I live in Texas, and despite the fact that my State Rep and State Sen are both Liberal Dems, I challenged them too. Like many Conservative Texans, I believe we could do alot better than Rick Perry, but he thinks he can be President some day, so he is walking the walk right now. I’ll take what I can get. Furthermore, our Lt. Gov. has Senatorial aspirations, so he is going to have to walk the walk too. I will be writing them all again tomorrow, and the next day, etc…

  • mavericktime

    “The optics of this vote are horrible. Dems voting through on a party line vote an unpopular bill while protestors jeer. Geez louise.” – Jay Cost tweet

    I agree. This is disastrous. The Democrats had better prove extremely talented salesmen to convince people to believe that this bill will be good for them.

    I fear the MSM will keep on this “racist” and “homophobe” tea party meme as they continue to attempt to discredit the opposition. I can see Rachel Maddow’s Monday show now!

  • proudgop

    Lets see first he was for health care bill then against it now he just flipped again and is voting yes

    Guess what his behind will be ousted by Jackie Walorski

  • RedStatePatriot

    Mr. Stevens, you are ignoring what these three tyrants (Obama, Pelosi, and Reid) are capable of. Just as Hitler moved quickly to consolidate power in the 1930′s, so too will this dictator.

    Their next item on the legislative agenda is so-called immigration reform. They will use the same extra-Constitutional procedural tactics to ram amnesty into law and 12 million illegal aliens will become Democrat voters in time for the 2010 elections. Obama will use ACORN in an unprecedented registration and voting drive. We will be outnumbered and our perceived political advantage will be gone.

    I too do not want to see revolution. But if our political strategy fails in November, we will have but two choices- secession or revolution.

  • treeofliberty

    (say in ditzy college girl voice pretending to know something)

    “And speaking of ironies…it’s just so ironic about GOP/Tea Party Protests reminding Democrats of…segregation protests of the 1960s.

    And what do Republican leaders say? They’re ….not…embarrassed. Wow.

    Sooo ironic… Anyway, my special guest to discuss the racial insults this evening Al Sharpton…”

  • saltlick

    Folks, Arcticle 4, Chapter 1, Section 8 of the USC states, in part:

    (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

    If Obamacare passes tonight, I will fly my American flag upside down tomorrow. I ask that you help make this happen across our nation.

  • usedtobelib

    Whenever acitivists demonsrtate and march for amnesty for illegals or “reform” as they have erroneously termed it, I feel we have missed a great opportunity to give what should be our response.

    “Our friends, you have a justified grievance. We stand with you in your opposition to oppression, and we will march with you, we will help you in your battle…by marching on Mexcio City and on the government from which you MUST DEMAND reforms and redresses–now!

    “Your homeland belongs to you. Her bounty of natural resources, her beautiful coastlines, her sands and sunsets gifted by God to you, are riches that should provide a prosperous living for her people.

    “We stand with you: it is despicable that corruption has robbed you of the bounty that rightfully belongs to you, the people of Mexico.”

    Now, let us go and march on the capital. We will offer you our hearts in your struggle to reclaim your homeland and to share, for the first time, in the natural gifts of your land.”

  • cabanon

    I couldn’t tell if I was on the Mall or in Mexico City today.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    I started reading this thread and saw the following.

    One said he would “send money.” To whom and how much?

    One said he would “back conservatives.” How?

    One advocated, rather than moving overseas, “staying and fighting.” How will you fight?

    I see a lot of “whats” being discussed (we must make this happen, we must make that happen), very little in the way of HOW, specifically, any of those “whats” are going to be achieved, POLITICALLY.

    We all need WHAT needs to be done (replacing the current officeholders with REAL conservatives who respect the Constitution) but I see very little discussion about HOW, specifically, to make that goal become a reality.

    Here’s one glaring fact, and problem, and one practical solution. On Election Day, 2008, our Republican Party was at half-strength. Fully one-half of the precinct committeemen slots nationwide were vacant. Where I live, 68.3 (!) per cent of the PC slots in my county were vacant. (Since then, through some aggressive recruiting by yours truly and others, we’re at over 50 per cent strength.)

    Don’t you think we’d be in a better position to ensure election victories in the remaining Republican primaries, for conservative candidates, if we could get every conservative Redstater, and every other good, decent conservative we can find, to INVADE and take back the Republican Party NOW? As you may know, ONLY precinct committeemen can vote for the Party leaders.

    Shouldn’t we conservatives here at Redstate agree on the tangible goal of becoming “card carrying members” of the Republican Party so each one of us can vote for the Party leadership? So each of us who adhere to a conservative philosophy may attend and participate at our respective local GOP meetings as full-fledged members of the Party leadership (PCs are, after all, leaders WITHIN the Party in their own right — I was elected by the Republicans in my precinct to represent them WITHIN the Party — I can vote for the county leaderhip, for example, but “mere” registered Republicans within my precinct, no matter how much money they might give the Party, may not).

    This is a goal that we could achieve and, if we achieved it, we would actually turn the Party into a conservative powerhouse. The existing PC slots nationwide are split about 50-50 between conservatives and RINOs. If we conservatives INVADED the Party and filled up the empty seats, by having us join with the existing conservatives already within the Party, the Party’s “soul” would change into one having a 75-25 ratio between conservatives and RINOs — and the new conservative majority would be able to vote in new leadership across the board in the next round of Party elections.

    Again, our POLITICAL GOAL, short term, has to be getting to the point where CONSERVATIVES are winning the primary elections and going on to the general elections, no? We conservatives can best make that happen by becoming PCs, because PCs are in the best position to help get out the vote for the BEST conservative candidate in the all-important, traditionally-very-low-turnout primary elections. Each one of us needs to become TRULY POLITICALLY RELEVANT, and the BEST way to do that, in my humble opinion, is to become a “card carrying member” of the Republican Party — a precinct committeeman. That means a couple of hours a month to go to a local GOP meeting. Helping to vet the candidates — they all come to the meetings and you get to pepper them with questions. Then, once you decide who to support, you help get out the vote for those candidates. You put into it what time and effort you can. But this is the basic civics stuff that really, really matters, and the fact that only 50 per cent of these slots nationwide were filled in the last election cycle speaks volumes as to why we ended up with John McCain as our nominee, not to mention all the other RINOs who won their primary races. No wonder we got our clocks cleaned. (And, mea culpa, I’m guilty as charged — I didn’t become an elected PC until the fall of 2008. I thought voting intelligenty, writing letters to the editor, being involved in campaigns, giving money to candidates and the Party, etc., was enough — it wasn’t and isn’t.)

    I know many of you are all ready on board. You are my heroes.

    Who else is with me and the others?

    Thank you.
    ColdWarrior
    No More Scozzafavas!
    Become a Republican precinct committeeman. NOW!

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  • CowboyUp4419

    I’d rather nip this in the bud right now. I’d like to head straight to the courts to stop as many provisions of this as possible from taking effect, hold it up there until January when the GOP becomes the majority in the House and then immediately defund it. That will take us until 2013 when HR 1 under the new Republican president can be the repeal of this disaster.

    If it comes to it I’m at least semi-confident we can win court. The individual mandate can’t hold up on its own and Krugman himself said once you start knocking pillars like that out of this bill then the whole thing will collapse (which is why they went for the single package rather than breaking their monstrosity into smaller bits that play well with uninformed voters). I’m reasonably sure Anthony Kennedy will side with us on this one but I’d rather not have it come to that.

  • Menlo

    Nothing like that will happen to the now taxpayer-funded insurance companies, certainly not for at least a decade after the new “regulations” kick in. Meanwhile, no judge today would take any argument against it seriously.

  • sta46

    mounted on a wall… right next to schummer’s
    don’t bet they aren’t fillibuster-proof… my money is on Lindsay Graham selling us out big time on:
    amnesty
    universal voter registration
    cap and trade
    and anything else he thinks might garner him a smile and a wink from the white house
    I’m actually wondering if he will switch parties and give them back their 60 in exchange for some promise of a future fiefdom in our forthcoming brave new world. watch him like a whole flock of hawks.

  • usedtobelib

    is a despicable human being. He doesn’t even like himself. Unfortunately, he represents a yuppy to very affluent district in Brookline outside of Boston. He’ll be their rep until he dies.

  • bs61

    If the States challenges on 10th Amendment rights is not upheld by the Supreme Court, I think then people would stop trying through the proper channels.

  • weatherford

    then the real question is whether american troops would fire on their families.

    I dont think they would. They would be more likely to refuse unlawful orders and kill any dissenting officer. Obama wont try to move that fast. I he should be that stupid, he will reap the worldwind.

    Hitler’s Germany was totally unlike our country today. The Germans were used to being kicked around by autocrats. Americans are used to kicking around autocrats.

    It is still good that our fighting spirit is unfurling like a banner on the winds of pride. If he enfranchises illegals, it couldl serve us well.

  • weatherford

    nt

  • weatherford

    There seems to have been some coordination in the timing of the Mexican’s march on the Capitol. It blocked a tea party march but it seems to me that there may have been greater significance to its timing.

    I am in an unusual position. I have a real, as opposed to a hypothetica,l question.

    Some folks here are suggesting that Hussein may plan to enfranchise the illegals before November. Is he now that bold? Could he succeed?

    Until today, I never seriously entertained that possibility. Then I started thinking about Senator Grahme. Do we have in him another Benedict Arnold?

    Enfranchising the illegal Mexicans might explain the absence of fear in some members in appearing to welcome the full Farouk.

    I hope it is simply late at night, but I sure wish I could get some reassurance or, if need be, the truth.

  • weatherford
  • weatherford

    I’ve read his stuff. He wont quit. Just a bit despondent, thanks to that sorry excuse for an American from the part of Mich. we should have traded to Canada for a peice of the Yukon.

  • CowboyUp4419

    He’d be a class A RINO if he’d merely thought what’s in that piece and kept his mouth shut about it, instead I heard parts of him being quoted by Debbie Wasserman Schultz to back up her argument that Democrats tried to go all moderate but the big bad eeeevil heartless partisan Republicans just refused to go along with our young president on his health care initiative.

    Frum is now a weapon liberals are using to attack conservatives. The best anyone can say of him now is that’s he’s a (temporarily) useful idiot. I’d like Coburn or DeMint to publicly ask Frum to switch parties.

  • weatherford

    I wonder what iis going to happen to the stock market tommorrow. Gold too.

  • tcgeol

    As soon as I find out where I will be living for a while, that will be among my first moves.

  • Ann_W

    The timing was so convenient to destroy the protester’s credibility. Then Barney Frank chimes in that they called him names, too.

    Unfortunately, it has never been about who has the best ideas, they fight their only successful way — smear people who disagree with them.

  • Ann_W

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