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With the election tomorrow, I thought I’d take a look at two recent polls of the Utah Senate primary between Tim Bridgewater and Mike Lee, the top two vote getters in the GOP convention.

Sometimes polls can differ, but this is a huge difference. I’m looking at one poll Dan Jones & Associates conducted for Deseret News and KSL-TV, and another that Wenzel Strategies did for the Senate Conservatives Fund.

Each one shows a different leader.

Now, the Senate Conservatives Fund is not neutral in the race, as I believe Jim DeMint has endorsed Mike Lee in his race against Tim Bridgewater, so this could be taken like an internal poll. Wenzel shows Lee (64) and Bridgewater (66) both being liked in the state (MoE 3.84), but Lee leads overall 45-35 in the heads up race, and even has a 29-19 lead among those who have made a firm decision to vote one way or the other. Bridgewater leads among leaners, the softest level of support, 17-15.

The media poll, on the other hand, shows almost the opposite result: Bridgewater leads 42-33 (MoE 4), with the pollster Dan Jones remarking that there are far too many undecideds for this late in the game, a number comparable with that found by Wenzel.

If we put the two polls together, we can guess that Republicans are having a hard time deciding between two men they like. It was easier when activists were uniting to throw Bob Bennett off the ballot, as was done at the convention, but he’s not on the ballot anymore and voters are having to think harder about their decision.

But still, how do we bridge the gap between these two polls which both cannot be correct? Wenzel polled self-identified likely voters. Jones polled “highly likely” voters. One possible theory is that Lee is going to bring out people who haven’t voted as much in recent years during the Republican trough.

Without having the complete questionnaires and methodology information that’s really all I can do is guess. But, we will know tomorrow which poll is closer to the truth, won’t we?

I’d watch for a last minute ad blitz in the state. With this many undecided, that could be a clincher. I also expect GOTV efforts to figure prominently in the final result.

Crossposted from Unlikely Voter

COMMENTS

  • earlgrey

    DeMint sent a note out over the weekend asking SCF supporters to call for Mike Lee. I’ll try to make some calls, if I can get some free time from the rugrats.

  • http://tabithahale.com Tabitha Hale

    Thanks for summing it up. Even if no one can figure anything out. :)

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • empiphis

    Just because the fringe took away the decision from the voters regarding the fate of a popular senator.

  • earlgrey
  • saintgeorgegentile

    Since when do citizens who care enough about the political process to volunteer their time and efforts become the fringe. This was my first caucus and I was tremendously impressed by the openness of it all. I was able to become a delegate to the county convention without any sponsorship from anyone. I would have gone to state but previous commitments prevented that.

    When it came time for our precinct to to select the 2 delegates I requested that an informal poll be taken regarding their feelings towards Bennett. In an unanimous vote the possibility of any delegate voting for Bennett was soundly thrashed. We did not require that the delegates back any one of the challenger candidates.

    Bennett lost because he is a liar.

    I hope that after tomorrow the loser immediately backs the winner and all sides pull together to ensure victory in November. Bennett’s inability to do this after the convention was just more instance of who he really is for – himself.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    It’s yet another account registered since the convention.

  • fpete13527

    I’m calling some friends in Utah now who have been pushing hard for Mike Lee.

  • RedBeard

    Right, empiphis?

    Good grief.

  • eburke

    the ones that voted for Bennett, Eager & Bridgewater were all mainstream Republicans. I thought you would have figured that out by now.

  • eburke

    my rather sizable UT political groupies list.

    I was beyond proud of my son when I texted him yesterday to ask who he was voting for. The reply? “Mike Lee. Not only did I read the RS posts and some of the comments you posted, Bennett’s endorsement of Bridgewater was all it took to vote Lee.”

    What a great kid! What a great Father’s Day present!

  • utah_cares

    Tim Bridgewater

    I have watched Tim for over a year, and I believe he is the best US Senate candidate in the primary. Tim’s attitude and methods and his actions have impressed me. Words alone are not enough.

    The fact that Cherilyn Eagar endorsed Tim Bridgewater, and Bob Bennett endorsed Bridgewater, in my mind, has more to do with how the Bridgewater campaign treated those two campaigns with greater respect than Eagar and Bennett agreeing with Bridgewater on issues.

    Bridgewater has my vote.

    And as Neil said “Stick to the facts, not the commenters.”

  • utahjoe

    Now is that utah_cares, or is it arc_ut….

  • SteveLA
  • Locked and Loaded

    Fact: Eager and Bennett support Bridgewater.

  • Locked and Loaded
  • gekster

    disguised as a sock puppet.

  • deano64

    another day of fast and furious copying and pasting. Hahaha. Go Mike Lee!

  • dblagent007

    I am one of those undecided voters. Mike Lee is probably our best bet, but I have to admit that it really bothers me that he represented Energy Solutions after he vowed to do everything he could to stop importation of foreign waste. Importation of foreign waste is a huge issue and it is disheartening to find out Lee pulled a John Kerry (I was against it before I was for it but now I’m against it) and has now couched it in some kind of upholding the constitution argument (I vowed to stop importation of waste, but I just had to make sure Energy Solutions’ constitutional right to import it wasn’t infringed upon – c’mon). That said, I have more faith in Jim Demint than any of these idiot candidates we have, which is why I lean towards Lee.

    Bridgewater is another one of the long line of Utah republicans that are, at best, moderately conservative. Like most religious areas, Utah republicans are rock solid on social issues, but very squishy on economic issues (Jesus wants to help the poor so I will support certain social engineering experiments that will undoubtedly fail miserably). They are a lot like Mike Huckabee.

    It is all quite depressing

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    But did I say it before or after you registered *this* account?

    Heh.

    Of course Erick already exposed you on the front page so really I’m just rubbing salt in it by now.

  • mrjiblet

    Bridgewater IS Bennett.

    Just like Bennett, Bridgewater has owned businesses and is now looking for a retirement fund. That’s all. He wants the office for himself and his interests. He’s been in the race before and this time he’s closer than he’s ever been. His mailers have been distastefully desperate.

    I’m confused why anyone would shill for Bridgewater — unless they’re planning on getting a little something should he win. All of which sound like politics as usual.

    We can’t have kicked out Bennett only to have this empty suit take his place.

  • rdelbov

    Tim B. appears to be the real deal to me. He went out there with a message of changing our Country’s path on spending & debt. The 3500 delegate-+60% teaparty influenced picked Bridgewater 57-43.

    On a one to one level–eyeball to eyeball-Bridgewater convinced the most conservative of the conservative that he was the real deal.

    Folks a 1000 miles away who have never met Bridgewater or heard him speak can call him an empty suit but the people of Utah who kicked Bennett off the ballot made Bridgewater their #1 choice.

    I pointed out earlier that Bridgewater has all the real world expirence. Lee has 4 years of private practice plus 8 years of government legal work.

    Talk about an empty suit. This young man has spent 4 years as a law clerk. His last law clerk job ended 4 years ago. You think maybe he should accomplish in the real world before he becomes Senator.

    I might add that before December 2009 he was non-political with no political involvement.

  • Richard Mullins

    Hence, that why this account has popped up since May 8th. It’s following the Tribble dealer, arc_ut/utah_cares. I don’t expect anything else.

  • Michael Dugas

    “…t really bothers me that he represented Energy Solutions after he vowed to do everything he could to stop importation of foreign waste.”

    I believe his contact with Energy Solutions was prior to that statement not after.

  • Right_Again

    I have been undecided throughout this campaign. I seriously believe we in Utah have a choice between two good candidates. They both profess similar goals and beliefs.

    Bridgewater won the most votes at the convention because of the sleazy ad that came out a day before the convention, combined with a poorly delivered, disjointed, even whiny final speech by Lee just before the final vote.

    I like that Bridgewater has vast business experience. I agree with him that we don’t need another lawyer in Washington.

    I like that Lee is not only familiar with our constitution, but firmly believe in it.

    I will be voting for Mike Lee today for two main reasons: 1) I think he will be the more likely of the two to agree with and vote with the wishes of the majority of Utahns, and 2) he was not endorsed by Bob Bennett.

  • utah_cares

    Tim Bridgewater

    I have watched Tim for over a year, and I believe he is the best US Senate candidate in the primary. Tim’s attitude and methods and his actions have impressed me. Words alone are not enough.

    Either way, vote anyway, the Utah Tea Party movement wins.

  • gekster

    can you tell me if any of the facts on the website,
    http://www.bridgewaterfacts.com/
    are wrong. If they are wrong, tell me where.
    Or are you going to keep avoiding the question.
    You claim to know so much of Bridgewater,
    so this should be easy for you.
    And like I said, this is the third time asking.
    You can set the record straight for us.

  • nessa

    nt

  • earlgrey
  • utah_cares

    I have not received any money from Bridgewater or his campaign, nor any promise for any.

    There are others posting from the Lee camp can not make that claim.

  • Vegas_Rick

    But, those on the losing side do tend to quibble.

  • earlgrey

    It was just my way of saying he had a great one liner. Like that is the money quote or whatever. You are either overly sensitive or giving me too much credit for understanding your motivations. either way it was just meant to compliment nessa.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The campaign hasn’t authorized him to address that issue.

  • nessa

    long before listening to any more utah socpuppets. Whats up with Utah and socpuppets anyway? Bennett had some folks get excoriated picking on our Lady Penguin, now this… Do all campaigns participate in socpuppetry and the ones from Utah are especially inept?

  • gekster

    from upthread:

    utah_cares Tuesday, June 22nd at 11:53AM EDT (link)
    I have not received any money from Bridgewater or his campaign, nor any promise for any.

    Theres no other reason besides that he just doesn’t want to address it.

  • earlgrey

    All their posts read the same.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Just like when he weasel worded about Erick’s post about the sock puppeting.

  • gekster
  • Oz

    Salt Lake Tribune has a note up about turnout:

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogs/outofcontext/49808193-64/turnout-percent-bridgewater-early.html.csp

    Turnout is relatively low with some elections officials seeing a cap at around 10% (140000 votes).

    Low turnout is good for Lee suppossedly since less active voters are more likely to go for Bridgewater.

    However, SLC is reporting that they might hit 15% and that is Bridgewater country.

    The real key may be the numbers when early voting is announced. At 47000, early voting could be an astonishing 1/3 of the vote. If there is a large lead in there for Lee then Bridgewater may not be able to make up the difference.

    From reading the #utsen feeds on twitter, it’s safe to say that people have a definite opinion one way or another.

  • utah_cares

    Most of them are not facts. I haven’t researched all of them, but the ones I have don’t pan out.

    Flyer, Meeting room at convention, etc. etc.
    Nice looking blog, but the research could be better.

    You forget, I helped campaigning against Bridgewater for over a year. I have lots of research. He has potential conflicts of interest, as does Lee, but I didn’t find any abuse of them.

    You are believing a bunch of crap, in my opinion.

  • gekster

    Just saying that they are not true is not an answer.
    and if you didn’t research them, then how do you know.
    Yhave to de better than that.
    If you can.
    And if you know Bridgewater as good as you claim,
    then disputing the articles should be easy for you.
    But then you would have to think
    not cut and paste.
    Please try again.

  • gekster

    As of this post, that i know of, the race in Utah hasn’t been determined.

    I wish to point out to you that I at no time, Besides one “and have a go Lee”, have I endorsed or asked support for Mike Lee.

    The only thing I did was question you about Mr. Bridgewater.
    You said a lot about a personal knowledge of him,
    but only supplied talking points.
    I only asked you to refute the claims on only one website.
    I can only say your responses were lacking.

    Your best response to me was;
    “Most of them are not facts. I haven?t researched all of them, but the ones I have don?t pan out.
    Flyer, Meeting room at convention, etc. etc.
    Nice looking blog, but the research could be better.
    You forget, I helped campaigning against Bridgewater for over a year. I have lots of research. He has potential conflicts of interest, as does Lee, but I didn?t find any abuse of them.
    You are believing a bunch of crap, in my opinion.”

    Really didn’t answer anything. That is past tense though.
    I hope the people of Utah pick who they want.
    I’m just saying you could have done allot better in responses than you did.

    And regardless of who wins, I hope the best for you,
    I will change my sig line, just for you.