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Kos duped by Research 2000 fraudsters

At the beginning of this month, Markos Moulitsas finally saw that Research 2000′s polls were worthless, something that some of us could see all along.

Feeling the sting, he apprently had a report done to check to see if he was being misled. Sure enough: his investigators found obvious, convincing evidence of fraud, fraud that he apparently didn’t notice while making regular posts on these polls for a long time.

Not only that, he took the time to write an entire book based on a Research 2000 poll (though he now claims that’s not the case, per Jim Geraghty’s update), an effort that surely led him to spend many hours poring over the numbers they provided him, but only now does he find out that they’ve been stringing him along presumably from day one.

I have two broad reactions to this: First, I was stunned at how brazen this fraud was. Research 2000 did nothing to hide their tracks. And then, later, when I thought about the implications for R2k’s customer, I got a laugh. Though it wasn’t a laugh quite as fulfilling as Moe Lane’s.

I don’t blame Moe for laughing so hard, though. Moulitsas got duped, and is now stuck with the stench of fraud surrounding the reputations of his flagship website and his new book. This was supposed to be his time, what with Democrats running the Congress and the White House. But now he’s the guy whose wife is pregnant with another man’s baby. He can hope the “divorce” will go his way in court, but the damage is done. Everywhere he goes now, people will look, and they’ll shake their heads, thinking about how that poor, poor man was just so oblivious for so long.

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  • http://truthupfront.blogspot.com jsanzone

    …’kos and company already got the meme out that Republicans are all birthers and psychopaths. That sense will persist…not that it matters, as it is uniquely among bottom-feeding, “gotcha” politic lefties anyway.

  • redtillimdead

    That while Kos was always criticizing Rasmussen and dismissing his polls, his pollster was making up results

  • http://www.FranBaker.com frankieb

    A bigger bunch of foul-mouths I’ve yet to encounter. And when I looked at some polling data they had up, it made no sense. As far as I’m concerned, this couldn’t happen to a nastier guy.

  • Wine Country Dog

    Wonkette, I went there a couple times in my attempt to learn what the opposition is saying. It was the worst juvenile trash talk I have ever read. It seemed like they were only trying to out-do each other in how low they could go. There was almost no debate based on policy or fact, just potty mouth sexual references and toilet talk. BushBlame was the most popular topic. Makes it really difficult to try to stay informed on the opposition when it’s so disgusting to read. I feel the same about 0lbermann, I just can’t watch the dirty little smirks and over the top lies.

  • earlgrey

    Some of their posters literally sound like they have been programmed. It is kind of scary and depressing. Do they represent mainstream America?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://www.reddogreport.com reddogreport

    Much like the climate scientists do, Research 2000 just gave Kos what they wanted.

    The only problem here is that somebody figured it out.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    I just thought he couldn’t handle all the bad news.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    Garbage in Garbage out

  • mostlygood

    watching him eat his hat and pretend to be a victim is amusing. it’s amusing that he was complicit in all of that disinformation, and is trying to pin it all on Research 2000 – if he would have bothered to do any of his homework, he would have seen the obvious bias.

    :-)

  • Darin_H

    Couldn’t happen to a better person.

    *not so classical reference

  • partyof1

    Research 2000 poll has Coakley up 49-41 over Brown

    January 14, 2010

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/75923-research-2000-poll-has-coakley-up-49-41

  • eastbaylarry

    Every time I see this woman speak it give me chills. It takes pure evil to look into a camera and speak outrageous lies without flinching.

  • jackhammer

    are the jon stewart links.

    During the health care debates I was actually reading firedoglake and I had to say I admired their passion and that they weren’t cowtowing the party line. I also have to say I didn’t ever get banned there, whereas huffpo would get rid of me within half an hour of any critical post….Kos is so boring wonky I don’t know how anyone can read it….but the left loves that boring wonky stuff…I saw David Axelrod on Stewart, and that man exudes the energy of a wet towel. As boring ass Obamas endless lectures….

  • E Pluribus Unum

    Just kidding!

    Interrupting cheese!

  • bk

    Kos’s crowd thinks made-up numbers are fine for the official US census and that voter registration should be so loose as to be fraudulent, so what’s the big deal for a pollster to take his dough and give him made-up numbers?

    Reminds me of the old joke about the accountant who comes in to talk to his boss. Boss asks, “What’s our bottom line?” and the accountant says, “What do you want it to be?”

  • Tbone

    I’m assuming Obama, Gore, Pelosi, Reid, Kerry and the Democrats in Congress are next.

  • antisocial

    This guy has [insert your favorite word] on his face. So all the posts that he has based on those polls are invalid? Meaning his reasoning is all crap now?

  • teapartypatriot

    Only the lunatic-left would believe a pol by kos, whose bias is unquestionable and whose ethics are non-existent. A poll by kos is as big a fantasy as one by The Weasel Post. Like the WaPo, kos polls fix the results by “enhancing” the number of lunatic-left respondents.

  • Mark D

    Sweet, sweet schadenfreude.
    Although, not nearly as sweet as the tears of a liberal.

  • Joliphant

    Is if you talk to a Kossack about this all you will get is a blank faced look while he tries to figure out what his response should be.

  • mbauer

    They are doing the right thing in making sure they public drag research 2000 down for what they did, and in a blanket statement admitting their pollster gave phony data.

    Now, they need to publicly apologize to every pollster their front page writes have criticized; especially that one they chose to laugh at and question motives on a daily basis (Rasmussen).

    Secondly, every narrative they’ve used R2000 polls to help create they need to individually retract with equal time on the front page as the many posts that pushed the false narratives. Including their favorites like “proving” the republicans only had a southern base or “proving republicans are all racist and everyone knows it. I won’t be holding my breathe on this, but that would be the right thing to do.

  • kowalski

    They’re never going to admit any kind of wrongdoing.

  • kowalski

    And here is the Grim Reality:

    If you’re preternaturally a liar, and you hang around with other liars, and you lie to them on a daily basis, and you make a living lying to them, all you have to do in the end is pull the world’s biggest “Oopsy Daisy” by being victimized by the people you hired to lie to you. Everyone will forgive you, because you’re a *reformed* liar and a *victim*.

    Kos didn’t lose a single life as a result of this debacle. He’ll be back stronger than ever a week from now.

  • mostlygood

    of their own stupidity and inability to see the big picture.

    maybe we should start a canned-food drive for kos? just so he knows we care? :-)

  • kowalski

    Knowing how the liars lie, in fact, this really just smells like a big publicity stunt, to pump up the readership there into the next few months.

    Because now of course their polling data will be more accurate and they made a big splash in terms of publicity. So it will actually increase their ad revenues and bring more eyeballs to their site.

    See, what Redstate needs to do is just to LIE MORE. About anything! Just make sure you can always claim victimhood, and you’ll be OK.

  • kowalski

    …at least the part about Redstate lying more.

    I *do* however mean the part about knowing how the liars lie. Kos certainly has enough people on his blog that can do the statistics and must have realized that his polling numbers were absolute fabrications long before he decided to fire them and make a big stink about it.

    He’s got people like Darksyde and McJoan there who are preternaturally gifted at following numbers and making cases based on them, so it’s highly unlikely to me that he just learned all of this out of the Blue, and particularly within the last six months. Markos Moultisas just “finally saw” it when it became impossible to deny it any longer, which is about all you really need to know.

    If it was possible for him to suspend anyone’s disbelief long enough, Democrats would be getting elected on Pluto.

  • tngal

    Anything left of the center line is very adept at the blame game. If I refuse to believe that my pollsters numbers aren’t measuring up, I keep paying for the numbers but fire and sue them later. If I can’t fix the economy, deficit, oil spill, or golf swing, blame Bush. If I’m campaigning and do stupid things to somebody in from of a camera, blame the reporter or cameraman.

    Fine. Two can play at this. I blame my kids and hubby because I found a grey hair and its all their fault. And I lost at the slot machine yesterday, so, I blame the US mint for inventing quarters.

  • earlgrey

    Me get on the treadmill in the first place. This is cathartic.

  • alpharob1

    I occasionally wander over there for enterrtainment value. I’d click on the
    polls at the top as I realized they were/are mostly cheerleading. I’d scratch
    my head wondering just how they could be so different from Rasmussen or
    Gallup or other respectable polls. I would think they were over-sampling
    a region , dialing Washington DC and East St. Louis or somesuch to
    guarantee a democratic slant. But it was far more insidious than cooking
    the polls. Fraud? Maybe I missed the details, am interested in them when/if
    they come out (how Research duped that smarmy Markos. What a punk,
    I sometimes catch his haughty little opinion on MSNBC).

  • jazzycmk

    when Huffington appeared on a Sunday morning news show along with Rupert Murdoch.

    Lady had the audacity to start lecturing him about civility. However, Murdoch came prepared. Basically, he said, “Really? Let me read you some things said about me on your site.”

    Huffington started blubbering about how she didn’t write those things and she can’t control what people write.

    Point, Murdoch.

  • jaybo

    Remember when I remarked that they were consistently better on issues that they saw as important?

    Now we know for a fact that they were rigged. That is why I look at Real Clear Politics and go by the average of the various polls. Averaging the polls removes the effect of any one bad poll.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I had to gather my own case against them before I could give up on them. Didn’t take long.

    What took Kos so long though?

  • Leopard1996

    Like most liberals, it is about feeling good, not actually thinking about the truths to their “solutions”.

  • Flagstaff

    the publisher has no control (only doesn’t try to control) its content.

    To me, that isn’t journalism, it’s Kinkos.

  • Flagstaff

    pretty ridiculous, too.

  • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice, shame on me.

  • mm2327

    Moulitsas is a fraud, a loser scam artist whose entire story is a lie. He spun yarns about being some poor guy who made it big with a blog, he’s the son of a wealthy bunch of crooks from El Salvador, who are tied to the government. He tried to sell his services to both parties, it was the democrats who bit. I agree that Moulitsas probably knew or didn’t care that R2k’s data was false, he’s not interested in truth, but in anything to dress up what he’s selling, influence. It’s a joke, and I hope he lost major dollars on this. What’s yanking his chain is, it makes him look bad, that’s what he’s eating his heart over.

    Arianna Huffington is a neo-conservative, she hooked up with Soros, and that’s when she had her faux conversion to “progressivism”. The woman is a fraud, who basically has corrupt proggies eating out of her hands. They are so easily bought, but then again, they bought into David Brock’s faux conversion from neo-con to progressive as well. It’s very telling how Soros pulls the strings of both the neo-cons and the left.

  • Adjoran

    when he made the contract, but later decided the discrepancies with other polls was just too great to defend, so he did what all good leftists do – out the other guy and claim fraud, diverting attention from himself.

    Since R2K’s polls don’t match any others, it is hard to believe his reply to Geraghty (or critics in general) that his book doesn’t rely so heavily on their polling alone, despite the early indications. He’s done some heavy editing, and probably now only refers to “major independent polling groups” or some generic term to hide it.

  • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

    In a statement that surely stunned many in the political and polling communities,…

    [This statement above sums up well the MSM.]

    …Mr. Moulitsas? alleges that, ?while we don?t know if some or all of the data was fabricated or manipulated beyond recognition, we know we can?t trust it.

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/daily-kos-plans-to-sue-polling-company/

    They’re still in denial.

  • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

    My belief is that most of the left pundits aren’t just ignorant dupes, but willing accomplices who in it for the power.

  • Locked and Loaded
  • Common_Cents

    Courtesy of Botox. Maybe that’s obamas secret to looking detached too.

  • tngal

    The president of Research 2000 (Del Ali) gave a quote to the Lexington Herald Leader and said:

    “I can tell you, we’re fine. What we’re going to reveal, that will be the end of the Daily Kos,” Ali said. “I can say, it has to do with people owing money.”

    The Herald Leader uses R2K which is apparently why they got the quote. For more you can go to the heald Leader story. Link below.

    Now before you break out the party hats and streamers, remember its R2K predicting the demise.

    http://www.kentucky.com/2010/06/30/1329894/pollster-used-by-herald-leader.html

  • johnt

    bridge, and Kos cursing them and gloating. Yes, American liberalism at it’s zenith.
    Duped, no, the little cur his covering for himself, can’t believe neither he nor the curs who work with him didn’t have a hint.
    He and they and the filth that inhabited the sewer of a site live for the lies and hate that they created. Maybe the mongrol will do a piece on the latest Al Gore before both of them disappear.
    No surprise his wife left him for a man, well, if another liberal, a half man.

  • nessa

    then “in it for the power” is the only other option.