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Gallup caught lying about the generic ballot trend [Updated 6PM ET]

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[6PM ET update after 12PM ET original post at the bottom of this post]

The Gallup Generic Ballot is a trusted, widely reported resource. I’ve analyzed it extensively, and defended it to others. But yesterday, when I covered the poll’s latest release, Gallup lied. I was lied to, you were lied to, everyone who’s trusted the Gallup name got lied to.

How? Gallup is combining two different sampling methods into one so-called trend of Registered Voters (complete with captioned graph), getting different results, but pretending they show one trend all the same.

Remember on June 2 when Republicans took a big lead in the Gallup generic ballot? I used it to project conservatively a 45 seat Republican gain in the House. This was a poll of registered voters, according to Gallup’s Survey Methods notes:

Results are based on telephone interviews conducted May 24-30, 2010, with a random sample of 1,594 registered voters, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia, selected using a random-digit-dial sampling technique.

But now on July 19 that Democrats are showing a big lead, despite the fact that Gallup’s pretty graph now is titled Candidate Preferences in 2010 Congressional Elections, Among Registered Voters, the sampling is different:

Results are based on telephone interviews conducted as part of Gallup Daily tracking July 12-18, 2010, with a random sample of 1,535 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia, selected using random-digit-dial sampling.

Catch the difference? The Republicans lead with a sample of Registered Voters, but the Democrats lead with a sample of Adults. Someone who trusted Gallup’s pretty, but lying, picture would never have noticed. Real Clear Politics noticed, and actually recorded the polls differently. Friends noticed this and alerted me.

It is terribly dishonest for Gallup to string together two different polls as one series, as Gallup does not only in their graphs, but in their write-ups as well. Here’s an example from the July 19 release:

The Democrats’ six-point advantage in Gallup Daily interviewing from July 12-18 represents the first statistically significant lead for that party’s candidates since Gallup began weekly tracking of this measure in March.

Notice, they call the series one measure, even though it’s at least two different kinds of polls with two different kinds of sampling pools. You cannot pretend that a poll of all adults and a poll filtered by registered voters are part of the same series, even if the same questions are asked. That’s Polling 101, and whoever’s responsible for the Gallup release should have known this, and certainly whoever’s responsible for oversight of the Gallup releases would know this.

Somebody’s lying. I have no reason to believe that Gallup’s actual polling is fabricated, but it’s easy to see that how Gallup packages its results is designed to mislead readers into seeing trends that just aren’t there. Observe the Gallup trend, per Real Clear Politics, with polls of adults distinguished from polls of registered voters, the most honest approach:

Date Pool Lead
7-18 A D+6
7-11 RV D+1
7-3 RV R+6
6-27 RV D+1
6-20 RV D+0
6-13 RV R+5
6-6 RV D+0

Sorted this way the trend is clear: Registered Voters oscillate between near-ties for the Democrats, and big leads for the Republicans. But once we switch to Adults, Democrats suddenly take a big edge of their own.

Is this credible? No, but you’d never know it if you took Gallup’s releases at face value. Even if the truth was there if you dig deep enough, it’s still a lie to misrepresent the data as Gallup has done.

As a final note, I have a prediction: Somebody, perhaps even Gallup, will claim that the Survey Notes were mistaken in this last release, and that the poll was of Registered Voters, but was just recorded wrongly. If this is the case, then that still suggests a serious lapse of quality control at Gallup leading to misinformation being published, and still calls into question every poll release Gallup makes. So I don’t buy it as a defense.

Besides, Gallup noted that the latest Generic Ballot was included as part of a daily tracking poll. It is vastly more likely that this change is a result of cost-cutting, combining one poll with another to save money over the summer, when they hope nobody will notice. But really, when you change the secret sauce, somebody’s going to notice.

Update: Gallup has now issued a correction alongside the bare changing of ‘adults’ to ‘registered voters’ in the Survey Methods:

Editor’s note: The original version of this story inadvertently referred to national adults rather than registered voters in the survey methods statement. The results reported here and in all Gallup generic ballot trends so far this year are based on registered voters; the survey methods statement now correctly reflects that.

A commenter at RedState.com pointed out a significant flaw in this story: the sample size didn’t change. Originally the post read 1,535 adults, now it reads 1,535 registered voters. However the overall daily Obama Job Approval tracking poll also surveys “approximately 1,500 national adults.” are we to believe that approximately 99% of the adults in daily tracking sample were registered to vote? MSNBC reported in 2008 that about 80% of American adults were registered, and that number will decline from 2008 to 2010 as voters are purged and don’t re-register for the midterm. The odds against this are astronomical, making this poll an incredible outlier for so many to be registered.

My conclusion: that this was a simple typo just doesn’t add up.

Crossposted from Unlikely Voter

COMMENTS

  • awunsch

    is becoming a political game apparently. With the Obama administrations rise to power along with the progressives in congress, it is becoming very difficult to believe anything without really checking a number of sources. I guess it goes with the general decline in the morals of our society. The media (State run media as Rush says) is no longer worthy of following, Obama is the master of deception when he talks, politicians and judges no longer respect the constitution – and the beat goes on. Voters in Nov have the opportunity to vote democrat and solidy the decline of our Nation or vote republican and start this country back to a prosperous, moral country (not that there aren’t progressives in the republican party as well that need to be voted out).

  • Russ Martin

    Should we prepare ourselves for future Daily Caller stories about collusion between individuals working at left-leaning polling organizations?

    Geez – It’s getting to the point where you just can’t trust anyone these days.

  • mbauer

    of fivethirtyeight.com, which I generally do, in his methods if a poll is of all adults he balances the poll by shifting the two party results by +7 GOP. (he does +4 for registered voters, and none for likely voters). Maybe this is a good rule of thumb for us to follow on polls of anything other than likely voters.

    Neil is dead on in calling this a flat out lie. If I tried to publish a paper with a graph like that in it, I’d be flat out rejected and my credibility tarnished to the peer reviewers. That’s just bad science.

  • rdelbov

    what was Gallup thinking?

    Here’s a quick primer for the USA.

    Population 2009 EST 07-01-2009 was 307,000,000

    Those over 18 will right at 75% so roughly 230,000,000 are adults over 18

    Total votes in 2008 was 128,000,000 or so. So when you poll adults in a Presidential year some 45% of these will not vote. That’s if you poll an accurate cross section of adults.

    So what will happen in 2010? I defer to Neil because I don’t have a number or projection as to who will vote in 2010. I suspect it will be between 2/3 of 3/4 of 2008 vote totals. I don’t have that number.

    If its 92 million that means in an adult poll roughly 60% of the respondents do not matter as they will not vote.

    This type of adult poll is like asking 100 people to select MLB allstar team when 60 of them are not baseball fans.

    That’s why I am keen on likely voter polls

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    The man’s an astrologer; he uses math to tell you things that you already knew.

  • deano64

    yesterday that Gallup was manufacturing results. It was just hard to believe they were getting results so far from what Rasmussen was getting.

  • IJB

    :)

  • tngal

    When asked If the 2010 election for the U.S. House of Representatives were being held today, would you vote for the Republican candidate or the Democratic candidate in your district? Came out:

    Repub 43-Dem 38.

    Of course they asked a lot of other questions too, but I like these numbers more than Gallup’s.

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1478

  • IJB

    …Including Quinnipiac (and outfit I don’t even care for that much) coming out with an R+5 Registered Voter result over pretty much the exact same time-period that Gallup polled.

    What Gallup has done here is effectively pollster *malpractice*.

    They should be raked over the coals for this.

  • The_Rebel

    after a new Quinnipiac poll shows Republicans hold a 43 – 38 percent lead on the generic ballot, And that poll was from July 13 – 19, with Quinnipiac University surveying 2,181 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 2.1 percentage points.

    So maybe Gallup should do a poll of “likely” voters if they really want to get back in favor with the public. We know that such a poll would be the complete opposite of the crap they just put out there.

  • Locked and Loaded

    Integrity is getting very hard to come by these days, and just maybe, somebody has been paid to add some color to this picture.

  • C. Marie

    the “PUBLISH” or “POST COMMENT” buttons. It is too easy in this text-twitter speed world to transmit misinformation. Or put it in the wrong text box. For my own trigger fingers today it was posting a comment in the wrong space under Moe Lane’s article, Georgia Results open thread .

    BTW Please support GA Republican, conservative primary winner Austin Scott for Congress.

  • romeg

    There are Lies, Damned lies and then there are Statistics.

    Perhaps he foresaw this kind of activity.

  • clintonformccain

    Probably got some stimulus money….

  • tngal

    and couldn’t help get out the message. So someone had to pick up the slack.

  • teapartypatriot

    Any moment now, The Weasel Post and “All The News That’s Fit to Fake” NYT will come out with their own “polls” showing that d-crats will win in landslides in EVERY election contest in November. Couric, williams and sawyer will then devote their entire “news” shows to touting these results.

  • jaybo

    I may be wrong, but I don’t believe that polling agencies used the “Adult” population to sample from in previous presidencies like they are now.

    I also believe that they know that it gives the current president a better rating than “Registered Voters” or “Likely Voters” would give him.

    I hate to beat a dead horse but again it reinforces the value of the Real Clear Politics method of averaging the poll results to give us a more accurate number.

  • http://www.thecapitolfaxblog.com brennan

    I do not see any notation of a correction on their site.

    This is how the July 19 data reads.

    Results are based on telephone interviews conducted as part of Gallup Daily tracking July 12-18, 2010, with a random sample of 1,535 registered voters, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia, selected using random-digit-dial sampling.

    From “adults” to “registered voters” without any acknowledgement of the change.

    Seriously, changelogs people. Get a changelog bot. It will help everyone.

  • CrabCakes

    As of now it reads:

    “Results are based on telephone interviews conducted as part of Gallup Daily tracking July 12-18, 2010, with a random sample of 1,535 registered voters, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia, selected using random-digit-dial sampling.”

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Looks like I had a clipboard failure; that’s the page I took the above quoted text from.

    Wow, they’re not even saying a WORD about it.

    Scummier and scummier.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    1. Averaging bad data with good data is like mixing poop with ice cream.

    2. The point is that Gallup published this as a poll of adults, but mixed it in with a poll of RVs.

    It’s not that a poll of adults it itself dishonest, but tacking it on a trend of a poll of RVs *is* dishonest.

  • http://www.thecapitolfaxblog.com brennan

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39952.html

    They use “adults” and not “registered voters”.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Fact is, Gallup only changed it when I raised the alarm, and now they’re going to pretend it was just a typo or something.

    Which will then disguise the greater issue I pointed out, that they’ve appended this poll to another tracking poll they’re using, which is of adults.

  • jaybo

    Does anyone have access to the sample size that same day for “Presidential Approval”?

    Currently the sample size posted today for Presidential Approval is shown as 1547 adults. I suspect that this number varies somewhat from day to day but they are very close. I find it hard to imagine that they randomly found 1535 registered voters when drawing from the “Adult” population.

  • http://www.thecapitolfaxblog.com brennan

    You can try to email him. I have no idea if Eric returns calls.

    eric.nielson -at – gallup.com

  • caboose

    on the American people. How in the world is it possible for people who claim to be sane fall for this con. Those who are dufus enough to fall for this scam, swear that polls are scientific. If that is the case, what scientific formula are they using to get the poll results. If there is a scientific formula, and two or more polls are taken, how could the results be different in each poll taken? In electronics, E being Volts, I being Amps, and R being Resistence, result in the following everytime; E=IXR, I=E/R, and R=E/I. Simple enough. Now where are the formula, for polls? Fact is, there is no way of conducting polls, without a refrerendum, from all voters, on an issue. Polls are designed by those taking them to get the predetermined efficacy desired. In other words plain every day ordinary BS designed to get dufus to vote a certain way.

  • http://www.thecapitolfaxblog.com brennan

    Editor’s note: The original version of this story inadvertently referred to national adults rather than registered voters in the survey methods statement. The results reported here and in all Gallup generic ballot trends so far this year are based on registered voters; the survey methods statement now correctly reflects that.
    Registered voters is their typical usage. In October they will change to likely voters.

  • Locked and Loaded
  • swami7774

    They had Marsha Coakley +15 ten days before the election.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Will read, digest, and update shortly.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • jennytheproudconservative

    This is why a free country cannot exist without a free press. If we lose the free press, we say goodbye freedom and liberty.

    The recent journolist email chains that were released highlight the left’s willingness and desire to take away freedom of press when they talked about how they wished they would not renew Fox news’s ‘permits.’

    The left wants to take away freedoms and the right wants to protect freedoms.

  • RealQuiet

    Screwed up my appetite. Now my wife will wonder why I didn’t like what she cooked tonight.

  • redneck_hippie

    Bob doing polls. I didn’t believe the result from the get-go.

  • tragiconda

    There are a plethora of polls daily and they have all more or less been pointing to a disaster for dems in november so when 1 poll shows such a huge, overnight about face, you know something’s fishy.
    I highly doubt the financial reform thing passing made any significant difference.
    Clear thinking people KNEW the repubs were toast, up and down the ticket prior to 08, you could see it, feel it everywhere. I didn’t need polls to tell me that.
    If anything, it’s worse for the dems this cycle.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    They have that patina of respectability, unearned, since they are the putative “poll of record”, in the same sense that the New York Treason Times is the “newspaper of record”.

    Once in awhile, the bloomers show.

  • renny

    In OH, the Dems. claimed they had registered 750,000 NEW voters.

    In FL, they boasted 1/2 a million.

    In NM, it was a 1/4 million.

    Everyone went nuts chasing these numbers. Sec.’s of state went crazy trying to vet huge numbers of “registered” voters who turned out not to exist.

    The Dems. used the fake numbers for two reasons: discourage Rep. interest–after all, if the odds are astronomical, why get involved as opposition.

    It worked in OH where the “monstrous” turnout was really only 5000 more votes than Bush-Kerry in 2004. Those hundreds of thousands of new votes just evaporated.

    And, the numbers skewed how the press covered the election. If the Dems. had 3,000,000 NEW voters, it wasn’t even worth giving time to the Reps. And it worked like a charm, even for reporters and publications/broadcasters who weren’t part of some conspiracy to hide little o’s associations and lie to get him elected.

    IT WAS ALL A BIG LIE. EXPECT MORE AS NOVEMBER NEARS.

  • acat
  • eburke

    because 1) they invest more time and money into their LV model by far than anyone else; 2) they’re the most accurate (probably due to #1); and, 3) they’re one of the few polling firms not affiliated with one of the Parties that don’t have a leftist bias.

  • jmimac351

    I guess this doesn’t seem obvious to some but places like this ARE the foundation of the new Free Press. So far there are enough people still in this country who get it and more and more of them are seeking out other resources for information every day. The elites in the media will always look down their noses at places like this but the People now determine who is credible and who isn’t – not them. Look at cable tv news ratings. They can’t control the message like they have in the past.

    There is a lot more power being wielded here than people may realize. As long as the truth is being put out, unfiltered, then things will be ok. If / When Obama / Liberals try to shut places like this and Fox News down then we’d have an issue. Where do things like that happen now?

    The way I see it, more of the truth is getting out now versus before the internet, not less. The “Free Press” are back on their heals and beginning to flail about. What is happening now is the spotlight is getting brighter on what has always been happening in the liberal media and it’s apparent they have no clothes. And they KNOW they are being exposed, hence the anger and disdain coming from them… and Obama.

  • eburke

    and how far off their last poll was from the final result. CBS, IIRC, was the biggest outlier as I believe they showed a 14% lead for Obama in their last poll.

    Polls drive the narrative…why else do you think this is the first time (at least that I can remember) that polling organizations are polling “Adults” rather than RVs or LVs.

  • acat

    ..those “new voters” are, for the most part, still on the list of registered voters – so when the Dems get close to winning – within a couple hundred votes – they can just pull “discover” a batch of ballots.

    Don’t believe me? Go ask Senator Al Franken.

    Mew

  • lukematthews

    I knew there was something hinky and spent an hour trying to find the differences in the sampling, but missed this.
    Thanks

  • IJB

    Jay Cost has some history on Gallup’s tracking polling here.

    Basically, Cost’s view is consistent with mine that Gallup jumps around too much to be taken too seriously. Of course, the fact that Gallup buries that little fact in their own self-analyses is telling IMO…

  • averagevoterdotcom

    Polls are soooooooo prone to manipulation.

  • barleycorn

    He essentially said that Gallup jumps around a lot but is still accurate. I don’t understand how they can show wild swings not picked up by other pollsters but still be right.

    He suggests averaging their polls to get the real picture but it doesn’t add up for me.

    If the bouncing around was all in the MOE then I could accept it but not gyrations of the magnitude we just saw.

  • andrewmn

    margin of error. Granted, reading a poll with the margin of error in mind pretty much makes any race within 6-9 points a toss-up, so take that for what it is.

  • whoframedrudy

    As a liberal independent, can I suggest you not indulge in feel-good poll fantasies and stay focused on reality? Polls shouldn’t make you feel good. Knocking the chip off Pelosi’s shoulder in November should make you feel good. But please, don’t get high on polls in the meantime.

  • The_Gadfly

    he was more honest than Gallup. I mean, at least he was doing the Groucho Marx routine in front of the falling bombs. Gallup is doing it in front of a green screen.

  • edintexas

    Is Silver’s trying to get ahead of the storm by going “public” in claiming that the only real difference between his Journolist posts and his 538 blog posts really was the language he felt free to use on Journolist (IIRC from what I read yesterday).

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Guess they didn’t poll anyone in the White House for that survey.

    Great catch and this article gets a Pulitzer in the category of “Dishonest reporting we wouldn’t otherwise notice except for the pedantic nature of the writer” or perhaps “Caught in the act; Lies, fallacies and shady math executed by people we knew we shouldn’t trust anyway”

  • proudgop

    via hotline
    http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/

    THe DCCC has already bought 8 million of airtime they are obviously scared though they do have 2:1 advantage in COH

    Their targets right now:
    CO 4 Markey
    FL 2 Boyd
    ID 1 Minnick
    IN 2 Donnelly
    IA 3 Boswell
    NM 1, 2 Heinrich, Teague
    NY 23, 24 Owens, Accuri
    NC 8 Kissell
    SC 5 Spratt
    PA 3, 12 Dahlkemper, Critz
    SD Herseth
    TX 23 Rodriquez
    VA 2, 5 Nye, Perrillo

  • throwback59

    of Pelosi? It has to be at least 30 years old, when she was in her 50s.

  • mikerazar

    1. Consider that people with a “1″ in their phone number are more likely to live in a big city. Just check area codes…

    2. Two opposite biases here. If you live in a big city you are more likely to vote Dem, BUT you are less likely to vote, especially in a midterm.

    3. As Barbie used to say, “math class is hard”.

    I bet there are all sorts of sample biases built in to everybody’s polls. The better ones are more careful, but not perfect.

    also, it is misleading to say that polls within the MOA are essentially ties.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Silver has pushed hard, and gotten his acolytes to believe, that he’s not really a Democrat, just a left-leaner.

    That he coordinated with Democrats and said ‘we’ have to do this or that, really destroys that image he’d set up.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Which is why I don’t say that and have argued against it many times. :-)

  • mikerazar

    how ridiculous is it to give single point estimates of ten year economic projections, like deficits or GDP.

    Who would do that? :)

  • Brian Hibbert

    Prepare for incoming!

  • gemimail

    For the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone uses polls of all adults in political polls instead of at least registered voters if not likely voters. Why would you use registered voters or likely voters to determine consumer issues when teenagers and up are consumers? Likewise, why pay any attention to an all adult poll when not all adults can vote because they are not registered to do so? The inclusion of these all adult poll creates an incredible bias in favor the Democrats.

    The RCP average is a measly -0.2% on Obama approval. Drop the all adults polls and you get an average of -5.0% which is an all time low. Likewise the generic ballot is also dramatically different. RCP has 2.9% for the Republicans and eliminating the adult polls show 5%. Only likely voter models have any predictive ability and then only for midterm elections. Those three polls average a whopping 7% which translates to a massive Republican control of the House while 2.9% produces a 50-50 situation. For a table of likely voter poll results translated to House seats, see: http://www.marstonchronicles.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=455&Itemid=1297.

    Not even all registered voter polls are equally valid. Taking someone’s word for being registered does not cut the mustard. I supply a major national pollster samples of registered voters from the actual rolls of registered voters along with their voting history for the last three primaries and last three general elections. That pollster knows damn well who a likely voter is and who is not. They can decide how tight they want their likely voter screen to be. That pollster would not be caught dead with an all adults poll.

  • trp878

    I don’t believe anything coming out about the Govt., be it for or against. Everything is lies. I do feel that the Govt is controlling everything that is spread by the Main Stream Media. The Main Stream Media are a bunch of “whores” who sold out “Truth for their own profit”. The old die hard reporters are probably rolling over in their graves with this new trend. “We the People” are preparing to straighten out our Countries leaders. The primaries are daily & November is not that far off.