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On Missouri and the rejection of the PPACA

By: Neil Stevens (Diary)  |  August 4th, 2010 at 10:00 PM  | 

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From Unlikely Voter: When I heard yesterday that Missouri passed an initiative attacking the PPACA in state, and declaring that Missouri’s citizens are exempt from portions of it, I thought it would be interesting to compare that Proposition C’s results with polling on the issue in state. So let’s check.

The one pollster I know hits this issue routinely is Public Policy Polling, so here is PPP’s latest from March. That’s quite a while back, but even then, support for “President Obama’s health care plan” was low in state, at 37% to 54% opposition.

Proposition C passed 71% to 29%. So if the Proposition was viewed by the voters as a referendum on the PPACA, then the law seems to have gotten even less popular than in March when it was eventually passed. Though one vote on one bill one time is a problematic way to make this determination, this vote seems to be a data point contradicting Nancy Pelosi’s prediction that when the bill passed, and people found out what was in it, support would grow.

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  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    Obamacare is clearly unconstitutional.

    The 10th Amendment clearly states that any power not explicitly granted to the federal government is reserved to the states. Since nothing resembling federal health care is in the Constitution, all states are free to reject it without going to court. If enough states simply refused to comply or make their citizens comply then Obamacare would collapse. Don’t fight it in court, just refuse to comply. If we rely on Leftist courts to interpret the Constitution and then defer to their rulings are we not just acquiescing in slavery?

    This is not hard. Just say no!

  • epaulzy

    I predicted that it would win but by a bigger margin of 75 to 25 percent. Oh well I’m a little off since I don’t live in Missouri anymore. This thing can and should be the anchor that pulls the democrats to the bottom in November. If they think we’ve forgotten one, how bad of a bill his was and two how it was passed in dark back rooms they are gravely mistaken. Any conservative running against an incumbent this November should hammer Obamacare til he or she is blue in the face. Even here in northern Wisconsin Sean Duffy, the conservative who chased Dave Obey out of office, is already hitting it with his democratic opponent. His opponent, by the way, was hand picked by Obey.

    To quote a Toby Keith song “grab a six pack and the lawn chair there’s a tornado coming”.

  • cactusjack

    offices these days as the secure (RedState)Governor to Governor(s) calls are made between Baton Rouge, Richmond, Austin, Phoenix, Cheyenne, Honolulu, Montgomery, Little Rock……….

  • NoDoze

    but the bill puts the burden on the individual to comply. If a person does not comply the IRS will fine the individual, not the state. There will need to be some way for the state to defend the individual from the Fed.

  • ralatredstate

    reflect the difference between a poll of registered or likely voters (or maybe even just adults) on the one hand, and an election with actual voters on the other.

    This is consistent with the view that polls, either in general or just now, understate opposition to what the leftists in DC are doing.

  • ritaok

    Just say “No”. Thank you for that. I’ve been saying the same thing, that cooperating with this gang and their arbitrary laws and demands is both cowardly and disloyal to the USA. Just say “NO” says it so much better!

  • vmo335

    to the individual.
    ….The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/07/30/the-impossible-is-now-possible/

  • NoDoze

    that I, as an individual, can refuse to buy the mandated insurance, then refuse to pay the fine levied by the IRS?

    Must I then let them arrest me and haul me into court, all the way up to the Supreme Court?

    I suppose that someone will have to do that, but it will take years for my case to be decided, and the precedent set for others.

    Where am I going wrong here? Am I totally confused?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • NoDoze

    Not having read Prop. C, this is a general question. What provision does the Prop. have for defending the individual citizen from the mandate of the Fed. Gov. to buy insurance? I honestly can’t see how this works.

    The mandate is to the individual to buy insurance, not to the state. If I do not buy the required insurance, I will be fined by the IRS. If I do not pay the fine, I will be arrested. Does the state intervene on my behalf? How would that intervention work? I am very curious about this.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    All I know is that it’s fairly likely it was treated as a referendum on the PPACA.

    But I hadn’t even heard of the initiative before yesterday.

  • NoDoze

    The only way it can be implemented is by massive disobedience by individuals. That might work, if enough people were willing to take the heat. If several states pass similar propositions, and their citizens would disobey the federal law, then we could have real effect.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Have you read Proposition C?

  • snowshooze

    And it may be possible, hopefully I won’t have to hear from my senator Begich who supported it, or Murkowski, who only wants to modify it. Only a clean kill would satisfy me.

  • lucky364

    Wouldn’t the much larger turnout of Republicans over Democrats have a big effect on the percentage of rejection here Neil?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • lucky364

    Well then. Let’s work to insure the voter turnout percentages continue to favor conservatives.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Do you have a citation for the turnout in this primary being unusual in any way?

  • GreyCloak

    You can find them here.

    ~899,000 people voted for Senator in the Democrat and Republican Primaries combined.

    ~939,000 people voted on Prop C.

    ~316,000 Democrats voted for one of three Senate Candidates.

    ~271,000 Missouri voters voted against Prop C.

    Obviously, Missouri was less interested in their Senatorial candidates than Proposition C and even many Democrats voted FOR the measure..

    What appeared on the ballot can be found here, and includes a link to the full text.

    NOTE: I might behoove commentors to actually read that upon which they are commenting.

  • GreyCloak

    Most polls rely on the opinions of no more than a thousand people, and have significant margins of error (even +/- 3% can change close races).

    It never ceases to amaze me that after the greatest poll of all, the election (almost a million people, in this one), with almost no margin of error at all, folks still cite poll numbers.

  • Adjoran

    A recent “50-50″ state . . . and they just gave Obama the full moon treatment.

    Sweet!

  • NoDoze

    some newspaper articles about it.

  • lucky364

    Forgive me for being unclear.

    If the results of this measure are skewed because more conservatives made it to the polls, then let’s hope that the enthusiam of conservative voters carries over into the November elections.

    Of course, if that happens, the administration will probably continue to push their agenda backed by the same line of reasoning, i.e. our peeps didn’t vote and we know what they REALLY want.

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