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Why I favor Rubio to win, despite it all

Crist Rubio Meek

Some may have questioned why, in my new Senate projection, I had Florida at a 55% chance to win for Republican Marco Rubio, when much of the polling has shown newly minted independent Charlie Crist with tiny leads.

It’s because I saw this new poll from Mason Dixon which not only covered the primary the Democrats are holding, but the consequences of that primary on the general election.

In the general election race, we’ve been seeing mixed results as Crist and Rubio tend to take the lead from each other, but a trend is clear in my view: Kendrick Meek holds more Democrats than Jeff Greene does. That trend continues in this poll: Against Meek, Rubio leads Crist 38-33 with 18 for Meek. Agaisnt Greene, Crist leads Rubio 39-38 with 12 for Greene (MoE 4 for both matchups). Note that Rubio draws the exact same support level in both matchups, 38%, while Crist moves 5% and the Democrats are separated by 6%.

So what, why does that favor Rubio as I did in the ratings? That’s because M-D also polled the primary, and Meek holds a large lead over Greene, 40-26 (MoE 5 for the primary). I calculate a 91% chance Meek actually leads, which is to me convincing.

Strictly discounting the Greene matchup, I show a 73% chance that Rubio leads Crist in the general. So after the primary there’s a chance I’ll be shifting that race even further toward the Republican column in my next race ratings.

Now, it is true that Ipsos’ new poll for the St. Petersburg Times shows the opposite result: 2% difference between the Democrats, and in fact Charlie Crist doing one point better versus Kendrick Meek than he does against Jeff Greene. Rubio though still holds steady (30 and 29) in both matchups. Margin of Error is 4.

The difference though? Mason-Dixon polled their Likely Voter secret sauce, while Ipsos stuck to registered voters. Take it as you will, but I don’t think the 2010 electorate will look much like that of 2008.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    Crist had an obvious bump once he announced his leaving of the Republican Party. I was briefly scared at that point. But reality has set in. African Americans are not going to significantly depart Meek. Crist cannot consolidate much of the Republican vote.

    Once Rubio starts spending, this race will be over.

    http://neoavatara.com/blog/?page_id=9559

  • The_Gadfly

    Crist will become an honorary national black politician so The Bradley Effect can once again be used to explain that only racists voted for Rubio.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Rubio appears to have two events under which he wins. A)Meek wins Dem Primary, Rubio wins. B) Greene wins Dem Primary, Rubio Wins. If Meek wins, Rubio has a much better shot at it, based on contemporaneous polling of 3 way races. If Meek is up by 14 pts. P(Meek ahead) = 0.91, P(Greene ahead) = 0.09.

    Now, P(Rubio wins | Greene takes Dem nomination) = 0.499999 (approx.)
    P(Rubio wins| Meeks wins Dem nomination) = 0.84 (more or less)

    Thus, I’m getting something on the order of 70% chance of Rubio taking it. P(Rubio Wins. Woohoo!!) = 0.09*0.49999 + 0.91 * 0.84 = actually a wee bit closer to 75%! This one is coming back home.

  • fpete13527

    Rubio will continuously build and absolutley win.

    Charlie, and those who have embraced him, will be going futher into the swamp.

  • fpete13527
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Yeah, to get 55% I did those Bayesian calculations over several recent polls.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    How did you combine MOE’s, a pooled MOE calculation?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    My innovation at UnlikelyVoter.com is that the MoE is factored into the win probability for each poll. So when I average those win probabilities, I’m comparing apples to apples, and the MoE data is still preserved.

  • Oz

    I’m hoping we can see a bump in Rubio’s numbers from somewhere.

    Does 70% of Florida really not like him?

    Do we have any I / D / R breakdown around Rubio?

    Is there anything Rubio can do to attract more I’s?

  • drivlikejehu

    I’ve thought Crist was finished from the moment he announced his independent run. I think 55% for Rubio is terribly pessimistic when you consider how the campaign must necessarily unfold. The winner of the Democratic primary is not especially important.

    Meek obviously is a better candidate than Greene, but the latter has unlimited financial resources. In any case, both have identical strategies post-primary: attack Crist all-out from the left.

    Crist is thus enveloped- if he moves left or right, the other flank collapses and, with it, his campaign. His current poll standing is just a reflection of Meek’s low name recognition. If someone has no path to victory, polling months before the election is immaterial. We know Rubio won’t let him off the hook, that’s for sure.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The numbers drop in three way races.

    But relax. The primaries aren’t even done yet. :)

  • rdelbov

    Partisan ID will 42R-34D-24I compared to 39R-36D-25I in 2006.

    I think that’s a conservative estimate as the GOP is passionate while liberals and democrats less so.

    75%R-10%D-35%I gets Rubio to 44%.

    I don’t see any democrat getting only 12% and Crist has a lousy ballot spot.

    I think Rubio wins but campaigns do matter–never give up-never take for granted.

  • eburke

    be racist?

    Oh, wait….nevermind. Harry Reid said that no Hispanic can be a Republican so, obviously, Marco is lying about his ethnicity.

    Carry on.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Based on his shape-shifting flipflopping say-anything break-promsies stiff-your-former-supporters, I have to conclude that Crist is the embodiment of everything that is wrong in politics in the US today.

    He is the worst sort of politician.

    With Rubio you get a solid conservative, with Meek a liberal Democrat. Real choices, real positions.

    With Crist, you get a fraud, a liar, and a man who will do anything to get elected. We need to call those folks members of the Evil Party and be done with it.

  • http://www.2010blog.net jsanzone

    Charlie “no reaction” Crist fending off Kendrick “c’mon guyz!” Meek from the left, and trying to outshine Marco “will of the people” Rubio for the support of that tidbit of the GOP and independent electorate he’s still clinging onto. Fun!

  • nvrepub

    nt

  • jomo2009

    he’ll turn orange with rage.

  • earlgrey

    Anyone else have a favorite or “must have” R to win in November?

  • america1st

    but without the science. Crist is **NOT** all that popular, his “centrist” positions are widely seen as the typical political two-step, Florida is more red than blue and the dynamic is all GOP. If Rubio continues to work as hard as he has to date, he will be house-hunting in DC come December, and more power to him.

    If we *all* continue to work as we have, we stand a pretty good chance of saving our Republic from the likes of al-bama & its 280 +/- thieving fellow travelers.