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Giannoulias leads, but Democrats deeply depressed

Giannoulias Kirk

From Unlikely Voter: I theorized before that Pat Quinn would drag down Alexi Giannoulias in Illinois, with a rout for Governor having reverse coattails for Senate, and now Public Policy Polling seems to show the effects I predicted.

A bad candidate for governor in a negative wave year is a terrible situation for a party to have, but that’s the Democrats in Illinois today.

The actual poll shows both candidates disliked by the electorate, with Mark Kirk at 26 favorable/34 unfavorable, and Giannoulias at 26/42, but the Democrat still manages a slight 37-35 advantage (MoE 4.1). So the race, per this poll, is 60/40 in favor of the Democrat right now, but reading PPP, the environment is not one in which Democrats should expect the trends and breaks to go their way:

These polls results are premised on an extremely depressed Democratic electorate. Those surveyed report having voted for Barack Obama by only 9 points, in contrast to his actual 26 point victory in the state in 2008. That’s a dropoff even worse than what Democrats saw in Virginia last year and the fact that Kirk is behind even when that’s the case does not bode well if Democratic interest in this election gets any better over the next three months. And it’s not as if Illinois voters just don’t know Giannoulias yet- they know him and they know they don’t like him and they still give him a small lead.

For context, a 17 point swing, like that seen in the Illinois Presidential vote in the PPP poll, in the House electorate would, per the Swingometer, project a 49 seat House gain nationally. It’s only a state that leans as far to the Democrats as Illinois that can keep that party afloat against this Republican wave that the new PPP likely voter model predicts.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.redstate.com/etcartman Kenny Solomon

    H/T to our good friend Warner Todd Huston.

    Daniel Halper asks the question.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/who-funding-alexi-giannoulias

    Sahloul is the former president of the Mosque Foundation, a Bridgeview mosque that has numerous links to terrorist organizations. The Mosque Foundation contributed roughly $400,000 to four Islamic charities that were later shut down by the federal government for links to terrorism. According to the Chicago Tribune, the organizations receiving funds were: the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, the Benevolence International Foundation, the Islamic American Relief Agency, and Global Relief Foundation.

  • rdelbov

    that PPP included the Green candidate on the list of preferences. I believe that distorts the poll.

    1. By the simple process of listing by name a candidate you give them creedance in a poll. You could have said “Green Party Candidate Alvin Greene” and got about the same % of vote as DeHaven. Or whoever the green gal is in IL.

    2. I doubt 9% of republicans or 10% of conservatives will actually vote green this November. Are people unhappy with Kirk? Yes but Reagan conservatives in IL will not vote green–certainly not 10% of them.

    I do not doubt that some conservatives are disgruntled with Kirk but come Nov it will be Kirk or Obama/Alex G. I believe they come on. Many republicans -moderates-conservatives will hold their nose to vote for Kirk

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I think you’re underestimating just how much both these candidates are hated, though.

  • mboyle1988

    On the one hand, Kirk:
    1. has lots more money
    2. is the moderate candidate
    3. Has a baller gubernatorial candidate to ride

    On the other hand:
    1. He’s a Republican
    2. Despite numbers being as dismal as possible in Illinois, Gia-lots of letters is leading.

    Then again, the key number to me is that 15 or 16% remain undecided. Kirk needs them to break for him.

  • acat

    Then the race goes to the candidate whose backers are both motivated to get to the polls (and the Repubs win this one hands down this year – Quinn must go!) and whose backers have noseplugs (and Repubs win again…)

    As I’ve said before, Quinn/Giannoulias aren’t synergistic – they’re both loyal Dem trough pigs – but Brady and Kirk are – Brady draws in the downstate farm country as well as conservatives, Kirk draws more from the moderate branch of the party.

    What I think is going on in the poll is the conservatives are balking a bit, but I think by November they’ll come around… mostly thanks to the Brady-vs-Quinn race.

    Mew

  • IJB

    Everything from the national climate, to the specifics of the IL GOV’s race (and IL House races), to the higher negatives for Giannoulias – they all favor Kirk

    The only thing that favors Giannoulias is IL’s general bent towards the Dems (thanks to the cesspool known as Chicago). But, this year, I don’t think that’ll be enough to overcome the intangibles in Kirk’s favor.

    I wouldn’t necessarily put money on it. But I am expecting Kirk to win this thing.

  • rdelbov

    spot on Alex G & Kirk. Both have high negatives.

    I just contend that in a polling situation its like poker for “fun” and “not money”. For “chip” I go all in every other hand but with real money I would be beyond tight.

    In a poll with some green who can voice your disapproval but in the booth its for real.

    At the very least I would have like to see a two way choice with undecided

  • Kyle-MI

    I would go with the guy who lied on his resume any day over anyone with mob ties. Now there is a campaign commercial you will be unlikely to ever hear.

  • Spartan4Life

    If they elect the crook Giannoullias. Just what Washington needs, another corrupt politician.

  • proudgop

    I have some issues with the poll. They say Kirk is ahead with Indep but gaining zero Dems? I don’t but it as he has constantly been re-elected in heavy Dem district and two he has one of the most Pro Israel records on the hill

    I am sure some of resume issues still resolve but I think the campaign should get some ads out on his support of Israel and his tough stance on Iran and he will get many of his mojo back

  • mstedman

    Too bad the choices are Democrat & Democrat Lite… sigh… when will the GOP learn? No wonder neither candidate can break 40%!