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Another university poll, another set of problems

Blunt Carnahan

Busy day today, but I couldn’t let go without comment this new poll by Missouri State University for KY3 of the Missouri Senate race.

Even if its findings weren’t entirely out of step with the rest of the polling world, the details of the poll carry a number of warnings that it’s not very accurate.

First off: the key top line: Republican Roy Blunt 48.8, Democrat Robin Carnahan 48.4, MoE 3.5. Yeah, a virtual tie when everyone else shows Blunt way ahead. But I’ll tell you why this poll is like a caricature of the typical university poll and all its problems:

  • The poll was conducted over 16 days, from the 7th to the 22nd. It’s hard to say that this is even a sampling of the same voter pool when it was taken over that long of a period. The only good thing is they at least waited until after the primaries to end officially, but 16 days for 785 registered voters? What, did they have two interns each calling 25 people a day on work study in the evenings?
  • The poll is of registered voters, and then weighted in order match certain census statistics. So not only is it the wrong kind of poll, but it’s not even a truly random sample, but rather one that’s tweaked in order to look right according to these researchers.
  • The polling is heavily weighted toward women. 63.2% they report are women. Sure, it’s true that there are more women than men who vote, but 63-37 is a pretty bad result when according to CNN reporting of 2008 exit polls the voter split in Missouri is 54% women/46% men. I can only imagine how much the numbers were distorted to bring that back in line with the Census.
  • There is no record that the orders of the candidates were rotated randomly as any serious poll does. Instead the questions just list the Democrat first every time. Ballot order matters, and this order skewed toward the Democrats in every race.

I can confidently say now that I will give this poll no weight in my next Senate projection update. It has a number of fatal flaws and I cannot take it seriously.

From Unlikely Voter

COMMENTS

  • stilhdr

    Something I find incredible, that apparently is lost on the voter is the underlying problem with statistics. Generally, with all statistics, they can be created to say anything you want.

  • Bill S

    The leftist bias, even in schools in MO, is heavy.

  • rdelbov

    I did not see a partisan breakdown between number of democrats/republicans/indies so I put this poll in the trash.

    I do believe that the republican is ahead in CD7/CD8. This poll is not great of proof that believe

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I think it helps to be able to say what they’re doing wrong though, that way our side won’t have to wonder.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • Bill S

    You are definitely doing a public service. :-)

  • Tbone

    slow cooker.

  • jdw4america

    Obviously, you’re just a hater!!! I bet you didn’t even vote for barry!!!!

  • http://wadingacross.wordpress.com logus

    I’d have trusted a poll put together by my old Poli. Sci. Professor. He’s a libertarian and during the two classes I took with him, he held one of the most even keels in teaching such courses that’d easily swing into bias, ideology, etc.

    Of course, my alma mater was little old ULL (former USL). That could make a difference.

    And my sociology professor would have probably slammed their statistics and sampling methods too.

  • http://wadingacross.wordpress.com logus

    I live in a heavily Democrat district and town. MO-1.

    Apparently, according to the photo and blurb in our town’s monthly paper – half owned by the city – a local couple, some supporters and our “illustrious” “non-partisan” mayor held a little gathering for Robin in her honor and support.

    Talk about make me want to gag and chuck the paper in the bin.

    Show her winning over diehard or old-hat Republicans, conservatives and independents, then she can make a serious case for a strong campaign.

    I doubt she could do it.

  • tomato

    Being a Missourian, I can see a stew of reasons (I meant stew, not slew) – why the polls are suddenly Carnahan-sympathetic. It boils down to a number of cultural issues deep within the “show-me” psyche.

    After the demise of Governor Mel Carnahan, it is too soon to sit idly by letting the “Carnahan” name become synonymous with “loser”. Its expected the family will lose two high-profile elections. They’re not going to let the peasants get away with this one. The widow Carnahan rewrote the definition of “sore-loser” when she lost re-election. Us Missourians had put the “fire out”. In contact with our company in 2001 she asked *us* to help *her* after 9/11 after our business was wiped out. (True story)

    There is gravity hoping MO becomes a progressive state like Minnesota and Colorado had become 4 years ago. No Missourian, even those in St. Louis would long to be like Illinois, but desire for caviar-circuit approval through a welfare-state government. Many of us are ashamed of the lush, beautiful hills and all those 2nd Amenders while think public housing in the inner cities as a testimony to Federal benevolence.

    Missourians are proud to be a battleground state, having our votes fought for long and hard. To have a race decided so soon, dilutes this special privilege. Personally, I don’t much think MO has become more red as much this is a good ‘ol fashion Ozark resistance from moving to far Obama.

    On the other hand, we’re seeing panic and second guessing, “No, no these results can’t be right. I don’t know anybody belonging to the Tea Party!” the more real, tangible results of Obama’s and Democrats failures and unpopularity, the more the state of denial surfaces. There will be more polls, more convoluted, more twisted until the results are so watered down it meets the expectations of the pollsters. Headline: “99.99% approve life under Obama, and not committing suicide!”

  • nvrepub

    nt

  • spreadout

    survey are you talking about? The Wall Street Journal one ranked Rasmussen 8th, interested in what one you know about.

  • charity101

    These Polls and Surveys are corrupt and deceptive.
    Unless you see the “actual” question asked, you cannot decipher or interpret the poll or survey. Sadly …too many of these polls & surveys are skewed to “create” the outcome the pollster wants. Additionally, too many people are too stupid to realize this when answering the pollsters question(s).