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Republican bounces in New York?

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Being just one man trying to cover 435 House races, 37 Senate races, a few dozen more states electing Governors, plus some of the technical and mathematical aspects of polling, I tend not to post on races that aren’t competitive.

So it’s surprising to me that I now have not one, but two New York polls to discuss today: Quinnipiac on the Governor’s race and Rasmussen on the Senate special election.

For Republicans, the polling in these races had been just discouraging, as the Democrats were looking so strong. Chuck Schumer was untouchable, Kirsten Gillibrand had leads fitting an established incumbent and not a fill-in appointee, and Andrew Cuomo looked sure to take his father’s old job.

The new polls change the outlook of two of those races, though. Quinnipiac has fresh Republican nominee Carl Paladino genuinely close to Cuomo, with the Democrat only ahead 49-43 (MoE 3.6). Before September Cuomo had not led that matchup by less than 29 points in a poll.

Now, my math still shows this an 80/20 race per this poll, with the Democrat taking the 80, but the Republicans weren’t supposed to get any air at all in this race, and instead were supposed to be completely smothered. This, for the NY GOP, is unalloyed good news.

The same holds for the Rasmussen poll on the Senate special election. Before September, Gillibrand’s leads apart from one outlier ran around 20 points, and as high as 26. She is not supposed to be ahead of Joe DioGuardi 49-39 (MoE 4.5). This is not supposed to be an 87/13 race in any poll.

These races still look good for the Democrats, without a doubt. But the NY Democrats were supposed to look like Mariano Rivera of the Yankees, closing out this election without incident. But even the great Rivera has his off nights, and there’s nothing like a Republican wave year for giving a Democrat an off election.

From Unlikely Voter

COMMENTS

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    in this environment, it is hard for me to rule out GOP victory in most places given Scott Brown and others…

  • fisk2521

    After just seeing our gas and electric, water and school taxes increase, New Yorkers should pray that Cuomo doesn’t win as Governor, nor Gillibrande or Schumer as Senators.

    Utility costs here have driven almost any industry of worth from out state and prevented anyone from wanting to live here. Something must happen to rescue NYS (and put NYC) in perspective and not in charge.

    Cuomo was instrumental, I hear in the subprime mortgages while at HUD….Gillibrande assisted him. What more do we New Yorkers need to know?

  • tomato

    There are two thoughts (three, if you include denial). Is this an expected pendulum swing that may go outside the curve for norm? Or is this an historic movement best described as an bloodless revolution?

    Its not Paladino versus Cuomo. Its Paladino against an agitated Cuomo. An entirely different candidate. Furthermore, in push back against this movement the “ruling class” on both sides are arguing for elitism. This gives the counter movement reasons for more veracity. Close in NY means closer in CT or CA and closed in MO, CO, and elsewhere.

    Cuomo, Murkowski, Crist, Castle, et al are the true faces of the ruling elite bitterly clinging to power. Democracy is in their way.

  • rdelbov

    Ric Lazio into either dropping out or endorsing Paladino

    Lazio has the conservative and he is doing a “Murkowski” on another conservative.

    In NY can we split the conservative forces??

  • bk

    Could the GOP candidate be inching closer to Barney Frank?

    The Bielat campaign released an internal poll Wednesday showing that Frank’s support “has dipped below 50 percent.” Bielat trails “by just 10 points,” 48 percent to 38 percent, according to the survey of 400 likely voters by the Republican firm OnMessage. The margin of error is 4.9 percent.

    If accurate, it means this is somewhere between a 53-33 blowout for Frank and being virtually tied at 43.

  • kingronjo

    Something needs to be said about the Governor race and ballot access for the future. In 2002 after Cuomo lost the Dem primary to McCall he stayed on the Liberal line ( probably waited too long to get off) and after endorsing McCall he got 15,000 votes on that line.

    Who cares you ask. The Liberal Party does. Or did.

    Because they did not get 50,000 votes NYS took them off the ballot, now they are non-existent in NY (another major indignity to them was not only were they below the Conservative line always in my life time, they had fallen below the Right-to-Life party prior to ’02).

    The Conservative party in NY has made the difference in several races, including 1994 when Pataki’s margin of victory over St Mario Cuomo came from the Conservative line. There is a major, major chance the C’s will not get 50,000 votes if Lazio does not give it up. And they will cease to exist also, a major blow to conservatives in NY.

    O, and one last thing, I don’t know how true it is but have heard no statewide Republican has won since Rockefeller without being on the Conservative line.

    Does NY have its own Specter, Crist, Murky, Castle etc in Lazio? Is he about himself or winning in Nov? This is a litmus test for him.

  • SKully

    any of the not-even-on-the-radar NY congressional races will start becoming competitve. I’m especially wondering about NY-27, Brian Higgins vs Lenny Roberto, and NY-28, Louise “deem-it” Slaughter vs Jill Rowland.

    Paladino took these districts with some huge percentages, albeit all Republican, of course. But the anti-incumbancy trend is growing, and there are LOTS of Democrats itching to vote for Paladino around here.

    People are paying attention, and they are getting informed about the candidates. If Roberto and Rowland can get their message out, and it is the same message that Paladino is puttiing out there, they may have a chance.

  • IJB

    …Except for one lone poll a few months ago.

    Once again, if you’re an incumbent, and you’re consistently failing to get to 50% or above, you’re in trouble. Ergo, Gillibrand has been in trouble this whole year. (She’s on the borderline though – 49% is getting pretty close to putting it away, even for an incumbent…)

    Anyway, I now am a lot more sanguine about squeaking out a win in NY-B SEN than OR-SEN.

    I think Dioguardi just needs some $$$ and resources to make NY-B competitive. Whether he’ll get those things remains to be seen…

  • zornorph

    Other SurveyUSA results: Republican U.S. Senate candidate Joseph DioGuardi is running neck and neck with Democratic incumbent Kirsten Gillibrand for the seat vacated by Hillary Clinton; and Democratic U.S. Senator Charles Schumer holds a commanding 21 percentage point lead over challenger Jay Townsend, a Republican.

    http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100922/NEWS01/309230012

  • proudgop

    In the Special Election to fill the final 2 years of Hillary Rodham Clinton?s term, incumbent Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand and former Congressman Republican Joe DioGuardi today finish effectively even, with Gillibrand?s nominal 1-point lead being within the survey?s theoretical margin of sampling error.

    Gillibrand leads in the 5 boroughs of NYC but trails elsewhere.

    I can tell you living in NYC I see no signs we even have an election this year. I did have some Gillibrand people stop me a few weeks ago when I was sitting on piers wanting me to sign some stuff for them but I gave sarcastic comment of how I liked Congresswoman better then US Senator. The one who was pro life, pro NRA etc and not NYC liberal robot now. The Democrat party machine is very dead compared to 2 years ago. DioGuardi should be able to win Staten Island in city

    Qunnipiac has poll coming out tomorrow on race hopefully it shows similiar sign

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