Has Dan Maes been well and truly kneecapped?


Colorado

Any political party must work as a team to win. While the primary process will become at times a competitive and even divisive, any inability to set those feelings aside and back the nominee will give the party trouble.

A few Republicans this cycle know what kind of trouble that is, but none has more than Dan Maes against Democrat John Hickenlooper for Colorado Governor. He got opposition from the national party, and he’s collapsed in the polls.

Back when Dan Maes was the fallback winner of the Republican primary, after Scott McInnis imploded, he wasn’t in bad shape. Tom Tancredo was splitting the vote, but the Magellan Strategies and Public Opinion Strategies both had Maes running well ahead of Tancredo, putting the third party candidate in position to fade and become irrelevant by November.

But after the RGA and other national Republicans made it clear they would not accept the will of the primary voters in this race, Maes has lost a dozen points in the polls, with Tancredo being a prime beneficiary of that. In the new Fox News/Pulse Opinion Research poll Maes is now in terrible shape, as the poll shows Hickenlooper 44, Tancredo 34, Maes 15 (MoE 3). Apparently when your own party attacks you, the voters aren’t inclined to support you.

If only it were always so easy to divine the reasons for shifts in the polling.

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I think...

kinggold Tuesday, September 28th at 1:48PM EDT (link)

…that the Colorado governor’s race was lost as soon as McInnis’ plagiarism scandal exploded. Maes was always the weaker and more poorly-funded candidate, and his refusal to leave the race is what kept Tom Tancredo in.

The RGA and national Republicans could have done nothing and cannot do anything so long as Tancredo stays in. They are not to blame here.

Maes should drop out

calgacus (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 5:06PM EDT (link)

If all or almost all of his voters go to Tancredo, then Tancredo will win.

 
 

I don't know what else to say other than

deano64 (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 1:52PM EDT (link)

every time I think about this race it just makes me sick. Most of my family up there is resigned to the fact that Lickenpooper will be the next Gov. They are thinking that he’s probably not going to be as bad as Ritter has been. I’m not quite as optimistic. We can only hope we can take one of state houses back from the D’s.

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It's hard to get kneecapped

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 2:18PM EDT (link)

when you didn’t have a leg to stand on in the first place.

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He was the nominee

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 2:26PM EDT (link)

Where I come from that counts for something.

Since when do we allow the establishment to decide which primaries actually count and which don’t?

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Yes, but what to do now?

callawyn (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 2:37PM EDT (link)

The best thing that could happen now for conservatives and the Republican party would be for Maes to drop out and endorse Tancredo, to keep Hickenlooper from winning. Never happen, given the animosity between Maes and Tancredo, and how can a party encourage its own candidate to drop out of a race?

Maes’ campaign is now hopeless, not just way behind in the polls but also WAY behind the other candidates in fundraising.

I support Republicans

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 2:44PM EDT (link)

Not fringe nuts like Tancredo who allys with the Buchanans. He’s just not reliable.

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but neil

philhoganjr (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 3:12PM EDT (link)

now that we see maes cratering in the polls, what’s the best course of action? write off the race entirely and cede it to hickenlooper, or drag tancredo over the finish line? serious question.

 

Want veto power?

Sean (SIConservative) (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 3:14PM EDT (link)

Neil, you’ve written before of the importance of races that impact redistricting. Right now, the Democrats control both houses of the Colorado legislature. Although it’s possible that one or both of those could flip, either way the Governor will have veto power over the new districts. Would you rather have Tom Tancredo with the veto pen or John Hickenlooper?

I see no difference

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 3:23PM EDT (link)

I want veto power for Republicans.

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Well, I want to be VP of the World

Sean (SIConservative) (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 3:59PM EDT (link)

but neither that nor a Maes victory is possible, just as electing a conservative to the Senate from Illinois isn’t possible, so we work with what we have.

 

"see no difference"???

tacoslayer (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 5:41PM EDT (link)

Then sir….you need to open your eyes.

OK one's a Democrat and one's an ex-RiNO

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 6:05PM EDT (link)

Technically there’s a difference.

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But Neil . . .

wormyguy Tuesday, September 28th at 4:00PM EDT (link)

Maes is even more of a “fringe nut” than Tancredo.

No he's not.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 5:40PM EDT (link)

Actually, he’s hard to pin down. A lot like nailing jello to a wall. He’ll pretty much tell you whatever you want to hear. How would he govern? Probably a lot like Bill Owens did. He’d definitely be to the left of someone like Jane Norton.

More than anything, he’s inept. That’s what has people worried the most.

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If Maes drops out now, the GOP becomes a minority party in CO for the next 4 years.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 2:45PM EDT (link)

We have to get him over the 10% threshhold.

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Is that a bad thing?

congressworksforus (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 3:57PM EDT (link)

I mean, seriously, sometimes it takes an episode like this to wake up rank and file Republicans to get off their fat, lazy rear ends and RUN FOR OFFICE NEXT TIME.

Remember, if the left wins, abortion will not only be legal, it will be mandatory.

It is always a bad thing

PowerToThePeople (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 4:22PM EDT (link)

Chavez was the wake up call for his country but in the few years he was given almost exclusive power, he was able to take complete control over every aspect of government.

Plucking out your eye to spite your face is never a good idea. You only end up with the same face and now you are blind. The answer to the CO issues is to keep dems out of power at all costs, then concentrate and firing all republicans who need to be fired. Letting the dems win just to teach some republicans a lesson will do nothing but ruin your state just as the dems have nearly ruined this country. We were sure taught a lesson, but some of that lesson will never be able to be fixed, we are just stuck with an everlasting lesson.

Guns-n-God

congressworksforus (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 4:40PM EDT (link)

I guess we cling a little better than the Venezuelans…

Still, Colorado screwed this up… Colorado needs to fix it.

And besides, I understand the House/Senate in Colorado look good this year; you can always change the ‘minority party’ rules to fix your little 10% problem…

Remember, if the left wins, abortion will not only be legal, it will be mandatory.

 
 

Which office did you run for this cycle?...nt.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 4:23PM EDT (link)

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I didn't need to...

congressworksforus (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 4:36PM EDT (link)

We made sure we had good candidates without baggage… :)

Now, 2011? Ahhh… different story …

Remember, if the left wins, abortion will not only be legal, it will be mandatory.

I see.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 5:34PM EDT (link)

So your comment was only for the other fat, lazy rank-and-file Republicans.

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The establishment blew this election long before it got to the Primary.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 2:44PM EDT (link)

By forcing out the only good candidate early on, we got stuck with a candidate that is completely inept and unqualified. The establishment didn’t need to do anything to Maes, he’s crashed and burned all on his own by making up stories about his business acumen and police work. This is what happens with groups back a candidate without experience that they don’t know anything about. If there are skeletons out there to be found, they will be found.

For me, this election has come down to a number. That number is 10. There’s no way Maes or Tancredo wins this thing unless Hickenlooper is caught with a small boy. For the GOP to remain a majority party in Colorado, Maes has to pull in at least 10% of the vote. If for no other reason, Republicans should vote for Maes to make sure he gets at least that, or it will affect every GOP candidate for the next four years.

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Hey, as long as we're both on Team Maes :) (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 2:48PM EDT (link)

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OK, What Does This "Majority Party" Thing Mean According to CO Law?

IJB Tuesday, September 28th at 7:40PM EDT (link)

And if “Majority Party” status is lost, what does it mean? And how do you get it back?

You don't get top billing.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 8:46PM EDT (link)

Right now, the GOP and Dems are listed at the top of all elections in the State. Third party candidates are listed below in random order. If Maes doesn’t get 10%, *ALL* GOP candidates will be downlisted on the ballots for the next 4 years. That means the Democrat will be listed first on every ballot for every election. Unfortunately, ballot placement matters.

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That pretty much takes out the Lieberman scenario in my book

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 10:16PM EDT (link)

Trancredo ain’t worth screwing the entire state for 4 years.

I cant believe that Maes didn’t agree to step down.

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Thud. Thud. Thud.

sch1168 Tuesday, September 28th at 9:57PM EDT (link)

(Sound of Josh Penry kicking himself.)

 
 

Integrity

pauly1620 (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 7:54PM EDT (link)

Where I come from (just so happen to be a Colorado native), integrity counts for something as well. The more that is revealed about Mr. Maes the more it is readily apparent that he lacks integrity and the ability to tell the truth. I have been a registered Republican since the age of 18 (over twenty years now) and I have been faithful to the party. However, nominee or not Mr. Maes has lost my vote due to his own actions. You obviously have not studied the situation here in Colorado. That is the only logical explanation I can conclude given your statement.

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Who are you going to vote for, Tancredo?

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 8:50PM EDT (link)

He has no integrity. He spoke out strongly against going 3rd party, then goes and does it himself. He said he’d drop out if Maes/McInnis dropped out. When there was discussion that Maes would drop out, he said, “nope, too late, I’m staying in now.” There’s even less integrity with Tancredo. If you can’t vote for Maes due to integrity issues, you can’t vote for Tancredo either.

If you don’t vote for him, that leaves voting for the Libertarian or Hick. Either of those votes accomplishes the same thing.

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"Unnamed R's were already scheming to replace him even before the primary

Lloyd Davis (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 9:01PM EDT (link)

Not to mention that Tancredo has been running against Maes while I have yet to hear Tancredo run an ad against Hickenlooper.
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Then you aren't paying attention.

sch1168 Tuesday, September 28th at 9:52PM EDT (link)

He’s done several ads against Hickenlooper.

None that I've personally heard, but

Lloyd Davis (Diary) Wednesday, September 29th at 12:10AM EDT (link)

of course I’ve been busy trying to find a job in this wonderful economy.
I’m so glad the recession ended over a year ago… I was starting to get worried.

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Dump Them Both

Iblis (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 3:55PM EDT (link)

Tancredo is on a serious ego trip. He’s not going to be governor, but that’s OK. He was never going to be President either. Doesn’t matter. It’s a vanity campaign and he likes the attention.

Maes can’t run a campaign, which gives me doubts about whether he can run a state.

They both need to step aside and let the R’s put someone on the ballot who can pull this out. Lickenpooper has never polled better than mid 40′s. He’s beatable.

And please, please, please don’t put in the execrable Jane Norton. There are good options. She’s not one of them.

It's because of people like you

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 5:37PM EDT (link)

that the GOP couldn’t put up any candidate that would get more than 30% of the vote. I’ll I ever hear from people is who they won’t vote for.

Neither Maes nor Tancredo are getting out, so you can still wish upon a star if you want, but the current candidates are the ones we have, and will have come election day.

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This is My Fault?

Iblis (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 6:35PM EDT (link)

NT -

You are way overestimating me. Or overestimating yourself. Either way, get over it.

You are correct about one thing. Neither Maes nor Tancredo will drop out, and CO will have a Democratic governor. Get smug with that.

Heh.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 6:45PM EDT (link)

We already have a Democrat governor.

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Who are the options?

cospgsrepub Tuesday, September 28th at 9:42PM EDT (link)

The bench in this state is embarrassingly shallow. The fact that McInnis and Norton were the initial establishment choices in their respective races when neither had run for elected office in years just proves that.

 
 

If you can't support the primary winner

natlanthem (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 4:57PM EDT (link)

Then let it go to the Democrats.

The failure is in building a coalition of voters around good candidates and even better policy. Instead, R’s failed on both counts plus dispersed the electorate by not supporting the vote. IE. the RGA and the Party crapped on the voters just like the Democrats the last two years, so what’s the difference?

At least the Democrat is honest about his lack of faithfulness.

Next time, if you get a next time, maybe you should listen to your voters, encourage more options to compete, then support a winner. Until then … /shrug

Wow. Spoken Like Someone Who Doesn't Have A Clue As To What Happned In This Race. (nt)

IJB Tuesday, September 28th at 7:41PM EDT (link)

NO. If you can't support the primary winner...

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 9:47PM EDT (link)

…STAY OUT OF MY PARTY’S PRIMARIES.

Having the same problem in Texas with Debra Medina!

gracie (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 11:44PM EDT (link)

At our Tea Party meeting today I asked her rep if she has EVER endorsed Perry; was told she is supporting some no name third party person, I was livid. She got what, 18% of the vote in the REPUB primary, has a ton of loyal followers and won’t throw them to Perry?

And remember when Glenn Beck outed her as a truther??

Yes Perry is ahead but he is not as popular as you would think…can you say Trans Texas corridor? Bill White made Houston a sanctuary city and just about ruined it financially. I can just see him teaming up with O to continue to close Texas refineries, hitting oil from both ends and of course vetoing all the R legislation! Omg, immigration.

It’s funny how so many ppl inTX think Murky and Castle are horrible but Medina is fine. My argument is then she should have run as an Independent or Libertarian! Her bio says her experience comes from high up in RON Paul’s organization. Yikes! if she makes us lose….

 
 

Thank you all for your informative & sometimes amusing answers to my questions. -nt-

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Ok - I have to ask again because nobody has ever given me an answer...

minister_of_war Tuesday, September 28th at 5:20PM EDT (link)

… but for those of us who have not lived on RedState non-stop since the day it was started, what does “nt” mean?

There have been quite a few times on here where people put this in their comments.

While I have enjoyed reading countless RedState posts & comments, I have also noticed other RedState terminology that many newer or less involved RedState fans would not know or understand.

My suggestion is to make a “RedState Lingo Dictionary”. And don’t forget to put the definition of “nt” in the dictionary.

And one more...

minister_of_war Tuesday, September 28th at 5:25PM EDT (link)

“five”?

What the heck does that mean on RedState?

Or at least I think people use that phrase on here to mean something that isn’t apparent to us novices.

RS things

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 5:32PM EDT (link)

(nt) means there’s no text after the comment title.

5 is a throwback to the original RS site software, referencing the highest rating on a comment, marking one of very high quality.

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Sometimes it means Night Twister...nt.

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At the next Gathering...

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 7:05PM EDT (link)

You should [come and] put (nt) at the end of your tag :)

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These two questions seem to get asked frequently

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1) “nt” is an abbreviation for “no text” which means that the entire content of the message is in the comment title. This in turn means that the reader doesn’t need to click on the comment, because what you see is what you get.

Incidently, you need to put in a separator, such as -nt- (which is what I use) and there are some others that work too – otherwise the text editor will reject your attempt for lack of a text portion.

2) “five” which is almost always written as a number, often expressed in various numeric permutations to indicate a superlative, and usually located in the comment title – means that the commented strongly agrees with the prior comment and/or thinks it an excellent comment.

This shorthand apparently comes from an early version of the RedState platform in which readers were able to rate other comments on a 1 to 5 scale, 5 being the highest.

Very rarely, someone may use a “1″ to indicate the opposite, but I’ve only seen this once or twice.

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Bonus

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Because we know it’s going to be asked at some point:

A “kowalski” is when you reply to your own comment to add information, a viewpoint, or whatever else you forgot to write in your original comment. It is named after a commenter who’s nom de plume is “kowalski”, known for replying to himself many, many times in the same post!

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The "kowalski" is perhaps the funniest forum device of all time - (nt)

roscopico (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 9:34PM EDT (link)

Im Himmel gibt’s kein Bier…

...and that's because...

kowalski (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 9:46PM EDT (link)

Not only is it hilarious it actually reflects the way its namesake (and others) think sometimes. Every person who thinks has a kind of internal monologue, sometimes involving more than one point of view. That was and still is my rationale for it, so it is not really a joke, it is actually a fairly widespread mode of thinking that nobody should feel badly about.

Everyone has the moment when they sit back and say: “Oh, MAN I wish I had thought to say THAT! to that (guy/girl/werewolf)” at one time or another in their lives. It’s real and it’s funny, sometimes serious and sometimes tangential, which are not bad things to be in the fullness of their tasteful proportions. :)

People also repeat themselves in ordinary conversation, they say the same things and say the same things sometimes in ordinary conversation again, and there is nothing wrong with that. :) As long as it leads to more productive discussions, and maybe some humor, I have never minded my name being used to indicate it.

And of course for a lot of people

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What happens is that the other thoughts arrive asynchronously, not precisely at the exact moment when their author would have wished. At least, mine don’t. People who write novels probably have the same thing happen to them, but they have a lot of time to revise. When you speak or write extemporaneously you do not usually have that option, so I decided to provide it with a smile :) .

From the earliest time I can remember here at Redstate, editing comments once they were posted was forbidden and so I protested in a way by inventing the “Kowalski.” Particularly in the early days of Redstate there was something that only occurred to me after I hit “Post” that needed to be said, sometimes humorous and sometimes not.

It stuck and I’m grateful to everyone who uses it in the original spirit. It should be fun. It should be humorous, it should be a little different than what you originally wrote, a different aspect of what you thought the first time, perhaps.

kowalski - yes, you kowalski...

roscopico (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 10:51PM EDT (link)

“People also repeat themselves in ordinary conversation, they say the same things and say the same things sometimes in ordinary conversation again”

LOLLERS!

Like seeing a post starting “kowalski” posted by “kowalski”. I can’t tell you how much that cracks me up!

Once something’s on teh webs it is delible and temporary, right? I don’t know, but I suspect your name is the new “Mulligan”. (I use the verb “kowalski” IRL, and suspect you’ll see it in the wild yourself pretty soon!)

My best to you!

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we prefer to challenge our newbies

kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 5:35PM EDT (link)

it is so much fun to figure things out yourself.

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5555

Christine (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 8:34PM EDT (link)

(had to do that :D )

The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.

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I DON'T LIVE IN COLORADO, but my question is,

Bill Tuesday, September 28th at 6:26PM EDT (link)

WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH TANCREDO? Sure, he is an immigration candidate, but surely he would be better than any Democrat in the Governor’s Office? As Joe Biden is telling his people, BUCK UP and hold your noses!

Thank God! November 3, 2010. U.S. House, GOP 290, DEM 145; U.S. Senate, GOP 70, DEM 28, IND 2. Keep on praying!

Tancredo isn't a Republican.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 6:38PM EDT (link)

Here, we support the conservative in the Primary, and the Republican in the General. Tancredo decided for himself that the Republican candidates weren’t good enough, so he left and joined a 3rd Party, ensuring the Democrat would win.

That’s not the sort of person I’m interested in supporting. Not now. Not ever.

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Tancredo is not running as a REPUBLICAN!

deano64 (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 6:40PM EDT (link)

THAT’S WHAT’S WRONG WITH HIM! We support Republicans here not 3rd party traitors. Tancredo was my congressman for about 8 years when I lived in CO. I voted for him every cycle. I wouldn’t vote to make him Dog Catcher now.

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He's a Buchananite wierdo third party member (nt)

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Tancredo is a spoiled brat who changes the rules when it doesn't go his way, nt

Lloyd Davis (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 9:04PM EDT (link)

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Exactly

texasproud (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 10:30PM EDT (link)

Tancredo is in it for Tancredo. We aren’t giving him enough TV time for him to feel like a superhero to save our lives. I could never stand him, never believed he was sincere, and wish he wasnt acting out his revenge now

$1.6 Trillion deficit, $800 million to Hamas to rebuild West Bank, kowtowing to the whims and demands of Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Raul Castro, and bowing before a Saudi Prince. I guess that’s ‘Change we can believe in’

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Did we support the Republican when Liebermann ran?

Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 7:23PM EDT (link)

Because that’s what this is …. either the Dem or Tancredo … the Republican ain’t coming in first here … you can read polls, right?

Now, I agree with the principle on this site and push it very hard but I’m just wondering if we supported the Republican or Liebermann when he got in as an Indy ….

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Maes Doesn't Pass The Litmus Test for Support, IMO

IJB Tuesday, September 28th at 7:45PM EDT (link)

I’m all on board with “Support the nominee in the General” about 99% of the time.

But this race is the other 1% – the circumstances surrounding Maes’ “win” so taint the “results” of this primary that, were I in CO, I doubt I would just “accept” them. People can feel free to disagree with that – but that’s just how I see it.

All I can say is – Thank God I’m not in CO this year!

 
 

Tancredo can't win.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 9:09PM EDT (link)

A vote for Maes prevents punishing all the rest of the Republicans here for the next four years. That’s a meaningful vote.

“Baseball fits America well because it expresses our longing for the rule of law while licensing our resentment of law givers.” ― Major League Commissioner of Baseball A. Bartlett Giamatti

Unfortunately, yes.

AB Wednesday, September 29th at 9:47AM EDT (link)

There are no good options in Colorado right now. If Tancredo wins, Republicans down the ballot will suffer for four years. We’re talking State House, State Senate, County Commissioners, Sheriffs and the Clerks (among others). Is that a decent trade?

But even that is a very, very big “if”. What if Tancredo loses by 5 points and Maes gets under 10%? Then what? We could have the conversation about trade-offs if Tancredo was leading Hick in the polls, but as it stands right now, the most likely outcome is lose-lose.

If you want blame, there’s plenty to go around. The primary electorate embraced someone who was completely unvetted – he said the right things, but no one bothered to find out if he was who he said he was.

You can blame both Tancredo and Maes as well: neither were willing to do what’s right. Both had chances to step aside for an electable conservative Republican nominee.

For me, the primary blame rests with the party leaders. Ever wonder why there was only one alternative to McInnis? Because the party leaders forced the Senate Minority Leader out of the gubernatorial primary last year with some not-so-veiled threats.

Now, it’s too late. The ballots have been printed, and I think NightTwister is right that the responsible vote is for Maes.

 
 

Tancredo=Mercowskee=Crist=(castle)

tngal (Diary) Tuesday, September 28th at 10:05PM EDT (link)

While all have held seats, they are all usurpers, or benchwarmers, now. Nonetheless, they are playing by the rules and can enter as third party candidates. As activists we can only do so much in a given race. The real candidates are responsible for debating well, fundraising well, carrying minimum baggage, fending off false attacks (see webster/grayson race) and campaigning tirelessly.

(Never spell HER name correctly as she is running a campaign on how to spell her name)