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A reply to the “Brights”

Some people who aren’t religious are content to leave it at that. Others feel the need to attack religion aggressively. Those people tend to get pretty egotistical, to the point that there’s a whole movement of them that calls themselves “Brights.” Because they’re smarter than you. Get it?

One of the “Bright” activists is Richard Dawkins, a mediocre popular science writer who promotes unfalsifiable theories of macroevolution. One “Bright” project he’s helped fund is the Atheist Bus, an ad campaign on buses in England. The ads read “THERE’S PROBABLY NO GOD. NOW STOP WORRYING AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE.”

When I saw these ads, I thought they didn’t go far enough. If we want people to stop worrying, we should let them stop worrying about other critical issues.

Here’s my expansion of the project:

No Global Warming

Here’s a PDF version if anyone wants it.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.redstate.com/etcartman Kenny Solomon

    :)

  • gekster

    Via Drudge:

    http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-weather-snow-accumulations-785039.html

    Excerpt:
    “A strong storm system churning its way through the desert Southwest early Thursday will bring metro Atlanta a good chance for a white Christmas, with accumulating snow possible as far south as the Columbus and Macon areas, forecasters said.”

    There is 4 ttl stories of “Global Warming,”
    err… “Made Made Climate change.”
    err…. “Freezing our buttts of from the freezing weather”
    on the site.

    Global warming, huh.

  • EagleWatcher

    If poverty causes crime then the rich would be the most honest people on Earth.

  • Dan McLaughlin

    Ergo it does not exist.

  • gekster
  • Tbone

    “There is probably no Muslim extremist on this bus with a bomb in his backpack. Stop worrying and enjoy your life, or what may be left of it.”

  • AceInTX

    Or just get a life…heh

    Great post Moe I hadn’t heard of this till now:

    One ?Bright? project he?s helped fund is the Atheist Bus, an ad campaign on buses in England. The ads read ?THERE?S PROBABLY NO GOD. NOW STOP WORRYING AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE.?

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    that Karl Poppler would actually approve of? You know, one involving a legitimately falsifiable hypothesis?

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Is “Bright” a suitably euphemistic expression for “@$$-Whole”? Sorry for all the questions, but inquiring minds among the Redstate readership want to know.

    And just to hack these tools off even further MERRY CHRISTMAS (in faith-based all caps, no less).

  • AceInTX

    If poverty causes crime then the rich would be the most honest people on Earth.

  • http://lazarusreport.blogtownhall.com/ Tom Lesser

    If you believe THERE?S PROBABLY NO GOD, still live life like there is.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    After all, the anti-scientific rantings of Karl Popper would deny globowarmism AND macroevolution.

  • AceInTX

    since macro evolution has NEVER been observed…not can it be

  • AceInTX

    MERRY CHRISTMAS

  • AceInTX

    and GOD have mercy on him if he is!

  • romeg

    to his fellow atheists. “…probably no God…”???

    Now that’s a courageous assertion.

    So to Mr. Dawkins:

    Hey Dude,

    Either there IS or there A’INT.

    Take a position. Show some courage. Or are you going to hedge your bets just in case, you gutless feck?

  • zioneer

    … supporting the main theoretical underpinning of evolution: that things started as simple and became more complicated. As a result it takes WAY more faith to believe in evolution than it does in intelligent design.

    I can’t imagine a life without inspiration.

  • jeffreywturner

    Typical of so many atheists.

    At least Christopher Hitchens is a nice guy, and has figured out that you don’t have to be an a**hole to disagree with someone.

  • throwback59

    who believe they are superior to everyone else?
    I seem to recall a different name people once gave to themselves who believed in the same thing. Now what was it?
    Oh, right, “The Master Race.”

  • taxpayer1234
  • gekster

    I know there ain’t no Heaven,
    and I pray there ain’t no hell

  • markvol

    inside your skull, Richard Dawkins? It must be a leap of faith.

  • jeffreywturner

    The reason they think they are so smart is that they believe that there is no cause for the universe.

    That is to say, that they think that something that did not exist, simply created itself. And somehow, believing this, which is evidenced no where in the laws of nature, makes them clever, while believing that Jesus was resurrected makes me dim, even though more than 500 witnesses saw him alive after he died.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Not all atheists are those egotistical “Brights.”

  • earlgrey

    more than most religous people do. They are more intrusive than many accuse evangelicals of being. I had some friends that were atheists, and they’d start talking about religion while we were out having fun.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • jeffreywturner

    I am only speaking from anecdotal evidence.

    Whenever discussing these things with atheists, my experience has been that they are extremely condescending. Perhaps though, it is just that the atheists who are actually bold enough to debate the issue are the more egotistical types.

  • eastbaylarry

    So they have to constantly re-affirm their conclusions by rehashing the same arguments over and over.

  • mustango

    If you go by the literal definition of the term, the Brights are evangelists of their own anti-religion.

    I mean really, doesn’t their point basically boil down to “You Must Be Saved (From Religion)”?

    But what I’m really not clear on is how it works that atheism is inherently a more worry-free belief. I know I’d rather have the judgement about my life come from an objective God, than have to worry that my enemies in life might end up with that privilege.

  • fideist

    Not all evangelicals are evangelists, and not all evangelists are evangelicals. They are not the same and are not interchangeable.

    Evangelicalism is a religious worldview. Evangelism is a vocation or avocation.

  • earlgrey

    I still think the point is that they (Brights) are more in your face than most religious people are.

  • Patricia_C

    Yeah… I know what those are.
    “Brights” are a term used by driver’s to describe a vehicle’s headlight setting… a setting normally used by drivers to see further in order that they might navigate their way safely along a dark and unfamiliar road. However, this setting has also been known to be used by self-important idiots who drive with their “brights” on all the time and don’t really give a flying hoot that blinding other driver’s by stabbing them in the eyeballs with their “Brights” might not only be seriously irritating but potentially dangerous (or even deadly) to other drivers and/or pedestrians around them.

    As for these goobers calling themselves “Brights”…. The term gives me a sense of relief in that, as I am truly getting tired of their silly yet constant efforts to remove my God from the hearts and minds of mankind…. I find comfort in the knowledge that when it comes to bulbs… they usually glow their brightest just before they burn out.

  • sloeride

    [haystack here-I whacked the whole filthy comment awaiting a banning moderator that can go find this "sloeride" person, and have a come to Jesus moment with him/her/it]

  • renny

    like ebola on steroids.
    I received several “research” papers all on the thesis that organized religion (they don’t mean organized religion because they are generally people with NO religious background–definitely do not mean Buddhism or Hinduism or Shintoism, etl al–but what they really want to attack is Roman Catholicism) has caused all the ills of the world and should be abolished (forget the US Cons. First Amend.–they have).
    The attack comes from 1) the gay agenda (a couple years ago it was “gay” marriage and why can’t people who love each other be unable to marry just because of bad conservatives everywhere–not addressing why I cannot marry my dog who is a wonderful companion and doubtless loves me adoringly) and 2) general lefty anarchism that abhors anything resembling authority and tradition, let alone thought and philosophy.
    But if my students (and they are not the best examples) are any indication, these people really do not have logical arguments with any kind of academic support or scholarship and would only present a danger to themselves, except that the stupid media (a la “The View”) is in bed and board with them.

  • Patricia_C

    BAD boy! Just WAIT until your Moderator comes home!
    Now GO wash your keyboard with SOAP!

  • exitsfunnel

    As an atheist I mostly try to stay out of these threads on Redstate as it’s just not the right venue to discuss this stuff (unless you’re preaching to the choir).

    I will say this though about the great mystery of what started it all: believing in god doesn’t really offer an answer to the question. I mean, you can say that god created the universe which is fine but just leads to the question of what created god. If you think that he just appeared spontaneously out of nowhere then that’s just exactly the position your mocking atheists for taking about the universe.

    So god doesn’t answer the question, what started it all? He just adds a level of indirection.

    -exits

  • gekster

    nt

  • AceInTX
  • Stinger808

    After all, I’ve never met the man or seen him in person.

    And any video/audio record of “Richard Dawkins” could be a fake.

    I guess I’ll stop worrying about him and enjoy my life.

  • Locke

    hence Neil’s ad makes sense. But how many people lose sleep worrying that there might be a god? Most of the people I know who think it might be true also think it would be a good thing if it were.

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  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    that sturdier rebuttals than disparagement have been made against the likes Dawkins and the Brights. The two must-haves are The Bahnsen-Stein Great Debate: Does God Exist?, in which Bahnsen drives Stein into the wall with the Transcendental Proof* and Dr. Paul L. Meier’s “Corroborating Evidence”, which demolishes the perennial “Jesus scholars” via extra-biblical links which validate Biblical historicity.

    Consider reading/hearing these with them as a gift for your older teens if you think their apologetics could stand moving into a more presupppositionalist/objective than a Kantian/subjective direction…especially given the reference to “infecting colleges” above. They can stand and fight if you think it worth your time to give them lightsabers instead of plastic spoons.

    * an electrifying audio version exists, but no longer for free. It’s worth every second.

  • Jack_Savage

    Believe me, in the darkest nights he lies awake wondering if all he hates might be true; and whether a reasonable man might be a fool for making a bet that would result in an eternity of separation from God.

  • Locke
  • fideist

    I find that the people the least sure of their beliefs generally are the most “in your face.” And “brights” are the least sure of their beliefs relating to religion, ironically because they are irrational.

    As an aside, I find the same general truth about Christians. The most confident in their walk with their Lord are the least interested in proselytizing. The least confident are the most interested in proselytizing.

    I say this as a conservative Evangelical Christian myself, born again in 1977.

  • Finrod

    Suppose you’re right, and the being that created the Universe was created Himself. If you get to the afterlife and meet such a God, and you say “I didn’t believe in you because you were created by someone else” and God says back to you “It doesn’t matter who created me, I created you, now what did you do with the life I gave you?”

    What do you say then?

  • Finrod

    .

  • exitsfunnel

    I generally try to live a moral, decent life. I do the best I can. I try to leave things in better shape than I found them and I treat other people the way I myself want to be treated. In the phenomenally unlikely event that the scenario you suggest arises, I will stand before him without the slightest bit of shame. If what I’ve done isn’t good enough then that’s his problem.

    -exits

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    when a group of people no less assured of their own inherent righteousness than you are of your own–and as all of us have been–found his verdict against them intolerable and, standing “before him without the slightest bit of shame”, found it preferable to dispose of him than to worship him.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    But I don’t have to be one to be put off by just how jerky the “Brights” are. :)

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I suppose it would make sense for the Catholic to be the one posting this, but oh well. :)

  • jdw4america

    They are not atheists. If they actually didn’t believe in God, they could not rationally justify spending time, energy and money trying to convince every other living being that He does not exist. They believe alright, they just hate Him – and with a passion.

    Think about it, do you go all stupid about nonsense you don’t believe in? I don’t believe that crystals have the power to…well, do anything, really. So what do I do about it? zip. I’m not thinking about crystals, not talking about them, except here as an example, of course, not preaching about how they have no power. I’m not writing books; not buying billboards or bus ads; not banning crystals at “crystaltime” ; not banning crystals from public places ; not demanding that you not offend my non-crystal sentiment. I’m not insisting that you not believe in crystals either.

    Why? I don’t believe in the power of crystals. If these “brights” are truly convinced that God does not exist, why do they keep bringing Him up? In public? At Christmas?

    They believe in Him alright. They believe and they are filled with rage that others love Him because they do not. In pride and vanity they seek to lash out at Him, and those of us who know His goodness.

    Merry Christmas, my brothers and sisters in Christ!
    Unto us a Child is born! Amen.

  • Adjoran

    and yet we always fall short, don’t we?

    If you have no shame, that’s your problem. Because for all your good intentions, you have not lived as you should, and you know this – as evidenced by your “I generally try” qualifier.

    Do you really believe you have nothing to answer for, and no one but yourself to answer to? Then it is you who live an arrogant fantasy, my friend.

    Fortunately, there is redemption, and there is always time to accept it – until there is no more time.

  • Adjoran

    He was a cast member on Hogan’s Heroes, and a frequent game show panelist and long-time host of Family Feud.

    Now, the jackass braying all this crapola is only pretending to be Richard Dawkins, much as Allah pretends to be God.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • AceInTX

    not sure I understand?

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    Sorry for how long this is. I meant it to be a paragraph, but got carried away…
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Richard Dawkins is one of the ?New Atheists?. The others are Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, and Daniel Dennett. They have some interesting things to say, and each has a different perspective on religion. Dawkins and Dennett are proponents of the ?Brights? movement, and Hitchens and Harris have been extremely critical of it. I think that what makes the ?New Atheists? new is their desire to engage and debate religious people and convince them that their beliefs are incorrect. Most atheists, as far as I can tell, are more polite, keeping to themselves about religion or the lack thereof.

    A lot of the New Atheists? arguments are sort of retreads of Marx, Freud, and Bertrand Russell, and each has his strengths and weaknesses. Overall, I find them ultimately unconvincing, because whether a particular religion?s claims are actually true or false, religion is a vital part of society and probably a necessary one. Atheists often point to European countries as examples of how people can be moral without religion, but while individuals can definitely be moral without religion, it is unclear whether society can be self-sustaining without it. As Mark Steyn argues pretty persuasively in America Alone, Europe is in the throes of a demographic death spiral, and this is probably due, at least in part, to the decline of traditional, religious values (selflessness, sexual mores, etc).

    At any rate, Dawkins is an evangelist of a sort, because he sees religion as actively harmful and wants it eradicated. Given his premises, he actually takes a pretty logical position, just as the mission of Christian evangelists is logical, given the premise that individuals are worthy of damnation (and bound for it) without the redemption offered by Jesus.

    That said, I think that Dawkins?s premises are far off the mark, which is one reason that his stridence is so offensive, unpalatable, and off-putting. His pop science writing is quite good (Here I appear to disagree with Neil), and he has made some excellent documentaries (Growing Up In the Universe is very good). The God Delusion provides some excellent food for thought, but many of his assumptions and conclusions are, in my opinion, incorrect. Religion is not, on a fundamental level, harmful to humanity or society. It is a universal component of society and appears to be simply part of being human. Obviously, particular religions or religious practitioners are abusive, harmful, or both, but this is true of every other human characteristic. Dawkins shows his ignorance about religion (and politics) when he talks about the disproportionate power of the ?Jewish lobby?.

    In God Is Not Great, Christopher Hitchens alternates between making excellent points and being intellectually lazy; he often cuts corners or oversimplifies the subject that he is criticizing. While very sharp and easily the best debater of the four, he is also the most friendly toward religion, recently declaring his appreciation for believers? prayers for his recovery from cancer (while simultaneously disbelieving their efficacy). More than anything, he seems to enjoy having a good subject for debate, and religion offers the best topic around.

    Sam Harris?s book The End of Faith is worth reading. It makes some very sharp points against Islam (although anyone who wants a personal account of the horrors if Islam should read Harris?s friend Ayaan Hirsi Ali), but his knowledge and reasoning are a bit more questionable when it comes to U.S. politics.

    The least-known of the New Atheists, Daniel Dennett provides arguments that could, in the long run, most effectively undermine religion. He sees is as a natural phenomenon and argues that it should be treated as such by academia. His book Breaking the Spell is the least reader-friendly of the New Atheists? books, but it contains some interesting ideas.

    A couple of points of disagreement to things that others have said: Evolution by natural selection is falsifiable (Popper also asserted that it is not falsifiable, but I think that he changed his tune later in life). It has made many falsifiable predictions, particularly at the genetic level. Where its predictions have missed the mark, it has adapted, but no one has found a counter-example to the general theory of natural selection, and most modern biology would fall apart without it. I highly recommend Sean Carroll?s book The Making of the Fittest, which looks at evolution by examining DNA and includes a great profile of the Soviet pseudoscientist Trofim Lysenko.

    The assertion that speciation (often misnamed macroevolution) has never been demonstrated might have been true 100 years ago, but scientists have been able to observe it experimentally since then. The problem, as I understand it, is that the work is so highly technical that it is beyond the ken of most lay persons (self included).

    Here?s part one of a conversation between Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and Harris. It?s pretty interesting.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    You never end up wrong! I smell a Nobel Prize in this for me somewhere….

  • exitsfunnel

    This is why I stay out of these threads at Redstate.

    Happy Holiday.

    -exits

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    –even one dedicated to theological discussion, which RS is not–cannot provide either the safeguards, continuity of thought, depth of exposition, or accountable discipline which are necessary for the mental reprogramming which accompanies conversion.

    That said, and I’m stopping here, you might find it profitable to ask yourself just what it was that motivated you to do the exact opposite of what you claimed–”I stay out of these threads”–for the clear purpose of declaring to one and all that your own righteousness exceeds that of God.

  • exitsfunnel

    First of all, since I don’t believe in God, the claim on your part that I declared “that (my) own righteousness exceeds that of God” is obviously disingenuous on your part. Since that doesn’t even mean anything to me, I obviously couldn’t have done it.

    Regarding the general question of my participation in this thread: what can I say? It was a moment of weakness. In any event, this is definitely my last post on the topic.

    -exits

  • gekster

    But what if you are wrong?

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    Cinco, what magical insights in your words. And Gekster, what profundity in yours. Only one of us can be right, but only one of us can afford to to be wrong. Cheers

  • gekster

    Merry Christmass. :)

  • tcgeol

    Macroevolution (and that is the proper term for the subject under discussion) is not, can not, and will not be falisifiable unless a literal time machine is developed. Adaptation is definitely falsifiable, and proponents often try to claim falsifiability for macroevolution by microevolutionary (or adaptation) examples, as you are in your post.

    However, this isn’t the real point of Neil’s diary. Have a wonderful Christmas!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Psst, I said macroevolution specifically to avoid minute genetic changes which you people always start talking about when we ask how you can falsify the theory that a dog became a whale.

  • nessa

    …and free shipping all the way from Norway.

  • JakePrime

    And what if you are wrong and Hindus are correct, or Jews, or Muslims, or Mormons, or Catholics, or Baptists? That’s not a valid argument. One cannot build their own faith by saying, I don’t really believe this, but just in case, I better go through the motions so I don’t end up in hell.

  • merryj1

    That entire (above) exchange was my first Christmas morning giggle.

  • merryj1

    …and I think you are … then this rather common waste-of-time-and-energy (of and by some atheists) would seem to make sense only if there were (is) some darker force at work. Hmmmm.

    I’m being sarcastic here, of course, but I’ve long believed that the kind of anti-religious fervor seen in militant atheists seems more like proselytizing for the evil one than merely scoffing at “superstition.”

  • gekster

    And obviously you misunderstood it.
    I made no arguement either way.

    As for me, I am not wrong, I know I am right.
    There is a God, no question about it.

    And Merry CHRISTmass. :)

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    in 1 Corinthians 15, saying, in effect, if THIS God did not manifest himself in THIS way, as attested by THESE particular witnesses in THIS time and at THIS place, with the resolution of all the questions turning upon whether a particular hole in the ground was empty and a particular body unrecovered, then there’s nothing to see here, folks, move along, let’s party till we drop dead.

    The Christian truth claims found in the scriptures of the Old and New Testatments are not mere timeless metaphysical theorems to be separately weighed according to philosophical probability, but are rather always tied to the unidirectional drama of a covenantly-administered redemption which repeatedly intersects, geographically and historically, with the real world. Thus the Bible opens, significantly, not with “These are the reasons for God” but with “In the beginning God”, before moving on to Ararat, Babel, Ur, Egypt, Sinai, Bethlehem and Jerusalem, culminating in the above-mentioned empty hole in the ground and its aftermath during the reigns of Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius and Nero.

    The classical and neo-classical–such as Pascal’s, which gekster employed–”proofs” for the existence of God tend to fail precisely because they do not sufficiently take into account the moral corruption of reason itself. The Bible, on the hand, makes it clear that the denial of God’s existence–either propositionally (as with the Brights) or practically (as with the majority of the western world, liberal and conservative alike)–is not a philosophical matter at all but a moral one, because God has revealed himself sufficiently to be owed everlasting love, gratitude, worship and obedience by every rational creature; a worse follly even than that of the demons of hell, who at least shudder in the presence of the God they know and hate rather than simply ignoring him.

  • aesthete

    Since the declaration of faith is not empty ritual, but rather requires a repentant and contrite heart before God, Christianity is the last religion I’d invest in if I were an atheist interested in taking Pascal’s Wager seriously*.

    *There are, in fact, several problems with taking Pascal’s Wager at face value: the “wager” in question is not binary in a world with many exclusive faith claims, most faiths require a state of being somewhere along the road beyond rational self-interest, most faiths that don’t require a state of being require sacrifice of some sort (living by a moral code, giving money and time to the faith), etc.

  • moebadderman

    Since a theory may always be discovered to be false (i.e. incorrect) by new data, there are no such things as “unfalsifiable theories”, Stevens.

    learn2science

  • moebadderman

    “I still think…”

    That’s where you went wrong, EarlGrey.

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    It’s my understanding that a lot of macroevolutionary theory is falsifiable, particularly related to genes, DNA, RNA, mitochondria, etc. I’m no expert, though, and gladly concede the point that Dawkins dwells a bit much on some of the more speculative issues in evolutionary biology. A lot of his work between The Selfish Gene and The God Delusion is openly geared toward arguing against theism, which is unfortunate.

    Anyway, your point about anthropogenic global warming is spot on and made me laugh. Thanks, Neil, and merry belated Christmas.

  • AceInTX

    heh….

    Not that I believe that…just wanted to put the horse back in front of the cart…

    LOL

  • AceInTX

    I don’t get the catholic reference though

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    Actually, dogs are just a subspecies of canis lupus, the gray wolf. Their DNA is still similar enough that you can cross-breed them, and I used to have a few pet wolf/husky hybrids. Humans “created” dogs by selectively breeding domesticated wolves thousands of years ago. Scientists have determined this pretty thoroughly, and I don’t think that it’s particularly controversial, except perhaps among young-earth creationists.

    Wolves are pretty closely related to cats, bears, seals, walruses, etc (the carnivora); more distantly related to horses, rhinos, etc (perissodactyla); slightly more distantly related to camels, pigs, hippos, etc (certartiodactyla); more distantly related to shrews, moles, etc (insectivora). In other words, one has to go back to a rodent ~85mm years ago to find a common ancestor between modern dogs and whales, if evolution by natural selection is true. Again, if it is true, then to find a water-based ancestor to wolves (and all lizards, amphibians, mammals, etc), one has to back to a creature like tiktaalik (a transitional fish/amphibian from ~375mm years ago, fossils of which were discovered in 2004).

    Anyway, the going speculation (I don’t know if it rises to the level of hypothesis, much less theory, since I’m a numbers person, not a life science one) is that an even-toed ungulate (similar to a hippo) had descendants that, over the course of thousands of generations, became more water-based than land based and slowly adapted to become whales. There may have been an intervening catastrophe, maybe not. Similar story for dolphins. My understanding is that they have a pretty good idea of the map based on DNA, but again, this is just based on my consumption of pop science books (e.g. the Carroll book above, which I recommend highly).

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Have any biologists checked into the physics of that? Somewhere the answer has to equal OUCH!!!

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison
  • AceInTX
  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    I just think that Darwinian evolution is one of those incredible ideas that, like capitalism, turns everything upside down but makes complete sense. So I tend to go on about it a bit much. It just fascinates me the way that (I don’t know) Vulcan or Bajoran iconography fascinates a hardcore Trekkie. Nerd rant over.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • moebadderman

    no, U?

  • moebadderman

    #Is ?Bright? a suitably euphemistic expression for ?@$$-Whole??#

    Is “Jack-@$$” a suitably euphemistic expression for “Repair_Man”?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens