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Florida gives a boost to Herman Cain

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Last week’s shock poll bringing Herman Cain into third place needed confirmation before we could be sure that Cain was a serious contender.

Two new polls of Florida Republicans by SurveyUSA for WFLA and by War Room Logistics seem to provide that confirmation and more: Both put Herman Cain in second in the key early primary state.

These are not national polls, so they aren’t directly comparable with the last four major national polls, three of which put Rick Perry first, and the fourth which put Perry in second behind Mitt Romney. But that fourth poll seemed to show Perry voters giving Cain another look, and these two bolster that theory.

Facts: SurveyUSA polled 500 likely GOP primary voters, mobile and landline users handled, MoE 4.5. WRL polled 1331 likely voters by phone, and the Republican-only subsample had a MoE of 4.2. The overall poll was weighted, but WRL tell me only the overall results were weighted, but not the Republican results.

In WRL polling of Florida, Herman Cain gains 18.8 points to land at 23.7%, in second behind Romney who gained 3.2 points to land at 28.2%. The big loser was Rick Perry, who fell off the map, losing 15.5% to fall to 9.1%, behind even Newt Gingrich’s 9.8%.

SurveyUSA gives the same top four. Romney leads at 27%, Cain follows at 25%, Perry falls way off to 13%, and Gingrich ends up at 6%.

Fascinating to me is the landline/mobile split in the SUSA poll. In a traditional poll, Romney would have led 34-22-14. But mobile users broke for Cain, giving him 20 to Romney’s 13 and Perry’s 11, which left the overall result so close. Romney’s remaining edge in the poll ends up being from “Moderate” voters, as “Very Conservative” and “Conservative” voters were about evenly split between Romney and Cain, but “Moderates” broke 34-19 for Romney.

Florida of course made headlines for Cain already when he won a straw poll there, but now we have two independent polls appearing to confirm a genuine swell of support for him there. The next national poll could be a critical moment for Rick Perry. If he is confirmed to be crashing nationally, he may have little time to recover, or be relegated to irrelevance like Tim Pawlenty and Michele Bachmann before him.

Crossposted from Unlikely Voter

COMMENTS

  • chipbennett

    Romney is polling 27%.

    Cain and Perry combine for 38%, but split the conservative bloc, giving Romney the lead.

    This outcome is exactly what I fear.

  • easyb

    Presumably as Bachman, Santorum, Gingrich and others bow out, many of those numbers will go to Perry and Cain, and less so to Romney, aside from Huntsman’s number(s).

    But I see what you mean, Perry and Cain split the “anti-Romney” vote, and Romney runs with the ball all the way.

  • easyb

    My comment was intended to reply to chipbennet…

  • luvnthebigsites

    Herman Cains ascendancy into electoral relevance should only surprise those lost souls over at The Krystal Standard or the Krauthammer Review. Conservatism works every time its tried… No need to be Fascinated Neil.

    ;)

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Grr.

  • luvnthebigsites

    ;)

  • jaykali

    We all need to realize that Romney is this year’s McCain. This is more about surviving than outright winning. Cain is this year’s Huckabee. Perry is having issues and seems to be everyone’s punching bag. Short of a Christie shakeup which I don’t think is going to happen, everyone is going to split the not-Romney vote leaving the guy who’s been campaigning for 5 years on top. It really makes the most sense. He gets the moderate states and even some of the conservative states bc he’s the last man standing. He’s got money, he can debate, he is persuasive even as flawed as he is.

    So I am thinking that most of us will hope our ‘little guy’ can make an impact whether that’s Cain or Bachmann or Paul or whoever but the last man standing is going to be Romney. The only thing I see that could jeopardize that would be Christie jumping in and I think that this story has been manufactured by the media/bloggers/establishment/etc. I don’t think he’s running.

    So short of that it’s Romney’s to lose. In the end we will all vote for him just like we did McCain. The 2 positives will be that Romney is still much better than McCain is/was and 2 I have a very strong suspicion that Marco Rubio will be tapped as the #2 which will make me extremely happy. I can swallow the painful Romney peel if I get my hero who can be groomed for his eventual job from the whitehouse.

  • center77

    the place. Fox is shilling for Romney, this is well known. Bill O’Reilly just slammed Cain for his comments about Perry, saying out of all people Cain should have known what it is like to be hit with vile comments from the left. Since Cain said it, he was doing it for Political Gain. Other fob people said it was just experience, but they are all taking a hit, and they know they messed up. This cannot stand.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Even these polls still have him no better than second :)

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Politics ain’t beanbag.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    now it’s the rise of the Cainiacs.

  • luvnthebigsites

    Just asking for a ‘lil help that’s all. Its a team effort.

    Nothin but love for ya Neil. ;)

  • Scope

    He talked about Cain just taking a liberal hit rag for calling Perry out on something that should never have been any story at all. Cain participated in race baiting, with no reason to do so at all. Cain is so wrong it’s not even funny. Cain knows this and is still doubling down.

  • chipbennett

    Yeah, I was guessing that was in reply to me. :)

    The problem here is: Florida has a non-trivial number of delegates, and thus will give considerable momentum to its primary winner. So, that non-Perry/Cain conservative coalescing will need to happen sooner, rather than later, or else Romney will win FL.

  • Tbone

    because their parents drank from the “Whites Only” drinking fountains in the 60′s?

  • ihavehadit

    Cains recent comments about Perry being a racist is just one more slip in his nice guy persona. This man is a politican just like the rest. The fact that he said he would not support the nominee if it was Perry says it all. No conservative wanting to beat Obama would say that. He says he supports the second ammendment at the Midwest Tea party con. then tells CNN he believes gun control should be left to the states and the local govenment. This is after the Supreme Court ruled it was not the state and local governments responsibility. It is our Constitutional Right and no state or local government can take that away. Like the First Ammendment. What is wrong with this so called intelligent man???? Is he not keeping up with the new rulings??? Just like the Right of Return policy in Israel. He didn’t have a clue. We don’t want this man. Wake up people.

  • luvnthebigsites

    Do you realize how boring this exchange is for the cheap seats? If you can represent better than my man Cain, by all means throw your hat in… if not, Get your free tee shirt and go sit down.

  • freentn

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  • freentn

    a conservative position. Promoting the secrecy of Fed Records is not either.

  • floridaveteran

    From the RNC:
    MEMORANDUM

    TO: Members of the Republican National Committee and Interested Parties
    FROM: RNC Counsel?s Office
    DATE: February 11, 2011
    RE: New Timing Rules for 2012 Republican Presidential Nominating Schedule

    ??Proportional allocation basis? shall mean that delegates are allocated in proportion to the voting results, in accordance with the following criteria:
    i. Proportional allocation of total delegates based upon the number of statewide votes cast in proportion to the number of statewide votes received by each candidate shall be the default formula for calculating delegate allocation, if no specific language is otherwise provided by a state.
    ii. If total delegate allocation is split between delegates at-large and delegates by congressional district, delegates at-large must be proportionally allocated based upon the total statewide results.
    iii. If total delegate allocation is split between delegates at-large and delegates by congressional district, delegates by congressional district may be allocated as designated by the state based upon the total congressional district results.
    iv. A state may establish a minimum threshold of the percentage of votes received by a candidate that must be reached below which a candidate may receive no delegates, provided such threshold is no higher than 20%.

    Therefore the conservative vote is split but overall we conservatives will have more delegates.

  • freentn

    they will still call us “Racists.’ In psychological terms, it is called transference. That’s what Libs do is transfer their guilt onto Conservatives.

  • luvnthebigsites

    And when the Redstate community has capitalized on everything you have to offer, You will be explicated post haste. The sooner the better.

  • thirstyboots

    Christie headlined a fundraiser for Branstad last fall, about 10 days before the general election.

    ?The presentation he made at our fundraiser was the most inspired I?ve been since I?ve heard Ronald Reagan, Branstad said in a meeting with The Des Moines Register.
    Continue Reading

    Branstad outlined Christie?s handling of fiscal matters for his reasons for his admiration.

    ?He?s bit the bullet, he?s made the tough decisions, he?s balanced the budget without raising taxes,? Branstad said.

    He continued: ?A lot of politicians love to tell you all the good things but he will give you the unvarnished truth about the realities of the fiscal situation,? Branstad added.

    http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/10/03/branstad-chris-christie-is-inspiring/

    Also, a SUSA poll shows New Jersey citizens believe Christie would be a better president than Obama; his approvals are sky high for a NJ politician:

    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=929403b3-399b-4b2b-9db9-134bd7970d61&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  • gekster

    Someone has to keep those bridge footings clean.
    I wonder what happened to the ones for the bridges Obama wants to rework.

  • tyman

    His comments from the last few days have just been worse than a joke. I think they’ve really hurt the GOP, just when we thought that the race card was taking a backseat to bringing America back.

    The 9-9-9 plan really has me wondering about his conservative credentials also.

    I’m a Fair Tax supporter, no matter how impossible some may say that it is, but I DO NOT support having a sales tax along with the income tax: one or the other.

    When asked about what would keep it from being 12-12-12, Cain talked about the way that he would recommend the Congress write the bill. Is he kidding? Just like Obama’s jobs bill…no Democrat has even filed the bill yet. That just shows Cain’s lack of political knowledge.

    What if he’s given a Democrat Congress? If they write something he doesn’t like, will he veto his own proposal?

    Cain’s jumped on the bandwagon criticizing Perry, but I’m sure Herb would have some spots on his conservative garment after being governor for 11 years. If he lasted that long.

    There may be a lot of Latinos in Texas, but I’m pretty sure that if Perry was as soft on immigration as has been alleged, he wouldn’t still be the governor. After all, Texas IS a very RED state.

    Yeah, and remember what Herbcain said after the right of return gaffe? He said, in a nutshell, that he would never try to bs his way through an issue if he didn’t know anything about it. Well, his answer on supporting Perry was bs (not supporting the GOP nom vs. Obama? Yeah, that’s bs) and now the “rock” thing.

    Is he that clueless to not realize the support he would have gained by saying, “I refuse to let you make an issue out of something to cause me to attack one of my fellow candidates”? Cain was there when Newt got a huge round of applause for this line in an earlier debate. He should have known better!

    As I said with Bachmann, if Cain is guided by emotion on this as Bachmann was on the Gardasil issue, I don’t want that kind of emotion in The Oval Office.

    Looks like it’s back to a two man race between Perry and Romney.

  • freentn

    regarding cain.

  • luvnthebigsites

    Do you realize how bored we are with this opinion?

  • dio55

    but after his Herman Sharpton weekend i am no more. As a tea partier who has been called racist maliciously and felt the STING of being falsly accused I will never EVER support anyone who falsly accuse anyone of racism and I know no tea partier who will . Cains tea party support is literaly ZERO now . And this poll does not reflect that yet. I would vote for any other candidate ahead of Herman Cain

  • tyman

    Respectfully, if my opinion bores you, you don’t have to read them.

    What makes it a “classic seminar blogger post”? These are things I’ve thought about on my own, and I’ve made them in other posts on this site.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Primaries come and go :)

  • freentn

    of White Conservatives is beyond me.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I think luvnthebigsites was trying to reply to freentn, not to you.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Cain is FOR auditing the Fed and having them have maximum transparency.

    TARP may not be conservative, but it was one thing in 2008 that did actually save the economy from a far worse meltdown, and it paid for itself since then.

  • freentn

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhen9QiYai8

  • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

    Granted delegates are awarded more proportionally this nominating cycle, but to assume all the conservative Cain/Perry/Gingrich/Bachmann delegates band together in the end. A probable scenario is Perry or Cain releasing their delegates after Romney asks them to be his running mate.

    What will need to happen come January 21st’s South Carolina primary is for conservatives to start choosing only one and staying put. With the herd mentality of wanting to go with a winner, after Perry loses Iowa and New Hampshire coming in third or worse behind Cain, many will continue to jump on the Cain train.

    Florida will not decide the winner but it will winnow it to a two-man race with Ron Paul continuing his don’t forget about me too race.

  • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

    “… band together in the end” is folly.

  • jjhlh1

    he’s getting for his comments about Perry’s hunting lease. It shows he is too eager to shoot from the hip before learning the facts. That is not a trait you want in a president. It reminds me of Obama’s, “The police acted stupidly” comment.

  • republitarian

    Perry said that you have no heart if you oppose discounted education for illegals. The pro-amnesty crowd likes to play the race card too, so should we throw out Perry too? Maybe we can find a reason to throw out every candidate and then… I don’t know what we’ll do.

    Cain shouldn’t have gotten caught trying to add fuel to the phony scandal, but he wasn’t exactly shouting “racism” into a bullhorn. He used the word “insensitive”. And he backed off and downplayed the whole thing today.

    He lost some good will, sure, but I think you’re overreacting if you think that this incident was his political suicide.

  • freentn

    nt

  • freentn

    before Cain.

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    NT.

  • traversecityconservative

    I definitely don’t see Bachman, Santorum or Gingrich people going to Romney, so the Perry/Cain thing might help Romney win. On the other hand, I kind of only see Romney pulling about 30%, so that leaves Cain or Perry to have higher numbers than him…

  • perry4prez

    It is now Herman Cain’s duty to call it a day and drop out of the race after his diguising attack on Governor Perry lest the “3Cs” vote is split.

  • traversecityconservative

    What Cain says about Perry (or anyone else) has absolutely NO BEARING ON MY LIFE. Mandated state health insurance would have bearing on my life (Romney), capitulating to global warming freaks would have bearing on my life (Gingrich), giving in-state tuition to illegals would have bearing on my life if I wasn’t an illegal alien (Perry)…Insignificant crapola is what you guys are arguing about. Maybe in the olden days, there was a time and place for that but not now. I could care less about what any of them have to say about each other. All I care about is how their policies will affect me after 2012. I haven’t had a raise in three years, my husband’s business was closed and he’s now making less money AND we have to pay for his health insurance, we lost investment money in pensions, my bills have all gone up in the past two years, gas has gone up in the past two years and my employer has threatened to dump my health insurance at any moment. I don’t really give a rat”s behind about a rock – or a vaccination mandate that you can get out of – or any of the other B.S. chatter going on. I care about my job and my ever-eroding freedoms. Color me selfish but that’s the reality of the situation.

  • californiagold

    In May Herman Cain’s position on the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki was similar to that of Ron Paul’s. At the time, neither Cain or Ron Paul supported the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki because of al-Awlaki’s US citizenship. Here is the link to the interview…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPQw1xkAEow

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    It’s incumbent on him to win, and that means getting off his tail and doing some proper debate prep. As Stu Lantz says, “Opponents don’t go away. You have to put them away.”

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

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  • septembergurl

    If Perry doesn’t have Florida to fall back on then what early state will he win?

    He will not win New Hampshire, nor in my opinion will he win (or even place) in Iowa. That makes South Carolina really crucial since the other early states favor Romney — Nevada and Michigan.

    As I understand it, all the contests until April 1 in the Republican primary are proportional — no winner take alls. This is important, as McCain was able to win some big winner take all states fairly early and accumulate an insurmountable lea over Romney in 2008. That will not be the case now, and the Republican contest in 2012 will be more like the Dem contest in 2008, with no candidate able to secure the nomination by the time the primaries/caucuses ended. This is said to favor Romney, and other candidates with resources for the long haul.

  • snowshooze

    Not an issue.

  • californiagold

    Perry currently leads in South Carolina and Nevada in spite of all the bad press he’s been receiving. Iowa will be a toss up, and it’s anybody’s guess who eventually wins that state. Unlike previous election cycles regarding delegates, this year it’s no longer winner takes all. That means the race won’t be over in Florida. More likely, the race will be similar to the Obama/Clinton primary race….a long drawn out campaign. The longer it takes Romney to put away Perry, the more unlikely Romney can defeat him. That’s why we’ve seen all the attacks on Perry…Romney wants to destroy him now before Perry has a chance to gain some momentum.

  • lineholder

    I’m in agreement with Neil on this one. Let Perry “bring it on”, as they say.

    You make it sound like he has to have the easy way out to win, i.e. get Cain out of the way first, and then it leaves conservatives with no choice but to go with Perry.

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    Nt

  • onemovoter

    He hasn’t been making his usual strong comments to stir up the media pot?

    As far as I can tell they have still been doing town halls and fundraisers, but my guess is that they have been working on their grand strategy for this last quarter since the whole schedule of primaries have been moved up.

    After reading “Perry and his Eggheads”, I kinda figured out what kind of strategy he would take. The early back and forth usually doesn’t last in the polls. They found that it’s the last few weeks that really make a difference, and certain kind of “personal campaigning on the local has the biggest impact, as the local media tends to share local stories around a certain region.

    They would also take that middle time to see what their opponent will attack with and make strategies to counter in the last part of the campaign.

    So for now I’m kinda sitting back watching. I still will let my opinion known on what the candidates do, but the real fireworks haven’t begun yet.

  • perry4prez

    to bringing it on (he needs to do that, not to apologize for what he wrote in his book which was exactly right). But Peewee Herman has shown himself to be completely without honor and he will fight until the convention which means Romney will win because the Conservatives are splitting their votes. True Conservatives need to get behind Perry NOW, if they don’t we will wake up with O’Bumbling again.

  • onemovoter

    Theothermccain.com and go through the section with Christie pictured. It should be near the top. You’ll find it very interesting.

  • wonkish1

    The few at large delegates.

    CD delegates which should mimic at large are still winner take all.

  • renl57

    Go ahead, find a quote you can cite in which Cain called Perry a racist.

    All Cain said was that the name on that rock was insensitive.

    And of course it was. That’s why it was painted over.

  • renl57

    It’s easy to see a scenario in which we go to the GOP convention with no candidate having a true majority of the delegates.

    That used to be what conventions were for–letting the delegates decide.

  • intensity

    …..history

  • Finrod

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  • Finrod

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  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    yeah, nothing to see here. move along. (no_text)

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

  • BA Cyclone

    “similar to Ron Paul”?? Only if you consider they are both men, running for the same office.

    I’ve never heard Herman Cain imply that wars happen because of everything WE do in the first place.

    Further, Herman Cain was out front on supporting Israel back when he officially announced. When are you going to hear anything like THAT come out of Ron Paul’s mouth??!!

  • highlander1754

    gets the nomation. That’s the only reason he’s staying in the race. How many times have you heard him say a disparaging word about his RINO hero Romney. NONE! He supported him in 2008 and will do it again this year. I’m certain that Romney has promised him a VP slot. Conservatism is dead in the republican party if RINO
    Romney manages to get himself elected.

  • freentn

    Cain has been very clear about his support and endorsement of Romney.

  • highlander1754

    Romney has to take out Perry now. If Perry is still viable when the SC primary comes he will win. Not Romney, not Cain, and certainly not Gingrich. Perry will steamroll through the South. I think Romney is behind all the attacks on Perry. The liberals love one of their own, and Romney is one of their own. And Fox News shamelessly shrilling for Romney is nauseating.

  • traversecityconservative

    …I agree with Herman Cain and Ron Paul. Although I agree with the outcome that the guy is dead and am very happy about it, I am wondering under what authority a president can assassinate an American citizen. I want to see a process by which they stripped him of his citizenship or declared him an enemy combatant – something Constitutional or legal that gives the Executive Branch the authority to assassinate someone. If Bush did it, the world be demanding this information. Apparently, Obama doesn’t have to submit any such proof from his Justice Department. Just because we agree with the outcome of the situation doesn’t mean we should blindly ignore the legalities. Somehow water-boarding is illegal but an assassination isn’t? That makes no sense?This is far fetched to be sure, but what’s to stop Obama from assassinating Romney if he goes over to Egypt? What is their criteria for making their decision of who they kill? I don’t like lawlessness under any presidency.

  • californiagold

    In May, Cain opposed the killing of al-Awlaki. Then after al-Awaki was killed, Cain changed his position.

    Seems to me, the only person being intellectually dishonest is Herman Cain.