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Perry and Gingrich, sitting in the polls…

Fed Up

R-E-B-O-U-N-D-I-N-G.

First came Cain, then came Politico, then came USA Today/Gallup and NBC News/Wall Street Journal with the latest numbers.

This also make three straight post-scandal polls that have shown Cain to have re-lost his lead over Romney.

The facts: Hart/McInturff for NBC News/Wall Street Journal polled 300 Republican primary voters, MoE about 6. USA Today/Gallup polled 1,054 Republicans, MoE about 4. Both did mobiles and land lines.

This morning I was skeptical when I saw the alleged rise of Rick Perry. But as I like to say, probabilities multiply.

So when Perry shows at 11 and 10 after being at 14 on Friday, making three straight recoveries since his single-figure collapse, while Gingrich is at 13 and 12 after being at 12 on Friday, I have to conclude Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich are both in the hunt. Appropriately enough they move together, as Gingrich wrote the foreword to Perry’s book.

Cain has still lost the lead. Mitt Romney leads by one, 28-27, in NBC News/USA Today, while Romney and Herman Cain are tied at 21 in the USA Today/Gallup.

Four Republicans currently control about 70% of the Republican vote right now, nationally. The race is a long way from the days of Romney 20, Gingrich 15, and a mess of single figure nobodies.

Crossposted from Unlikely Voter

COMMENTS

  • gekster

    If ya don’t like it, then wait ten munutes, it will change.

  • sunshinek67

    Perry trend is up from single digits

  • jrmax13

    I especially like the final sentence of this. “… Romney 20, Gingrich 15, and a mess of single figure nobodies.”
    Bwhaaa Bwhaaa ! LOL and all that good stuff.

  • sethellis

    The results of these things take a week or two to fully register. It was more than 2 weeks before Perry started to see declines from his heartless comment. We are reading far too much into polls right now because the media told us all week that “Cain is still riding high despite allegations of sexual harassment”. We all know that it’s just a matter of time before he takes a hit. We don’t need to split hairs over a few percentage points to know that.

    It also doesn’t take a genius to know that Perry and Gingrich will benefit from this. However, I don’t think that this poll shows this conclusively. Just wait another week or two. Then we will get data that actually tells us something like which demographics are going where.

  • gekster

    The race is a long way from the days of Romney 20, Gingrich 15, and a mess of single figure nobodies.

    But then again, the whole truth does not fit you mo.

  • jrmax13

    You’re grasping at straws (and strawmen arguments) again, geks. How would quoting the entire sentence change the negative connotation of “nobodies” ?

  • iidvbii

    nt

  • gekster

    The theme of Neils article is about the change.
    It’s right in front of your face if you look.

  • iidvbii

    when Perry wins are you. I for one would miss you, I really enjoy the comic relief you provide. RS would be much drearier without your posts.

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    Hard to assess damage to the ship when torpedos are still striking the hull.

  • jrmax13

    geks, Just because the article didn’t end the way you wanted provides you with no basis for attacking the messenger. I didn’t write the piece !

  • acat

    He’s gonna go hang out with Jesse.

    Jesse Ventura moving to Mexico?

    Mew

  • gekster

    reading comprehension.
    The sentance is clearly use in the past tense.
    If you have to, get your Mom to help you with this.

  • tyman

    I don’t know too many “nobodies” who can raise the kind of money that a certain “nobody” has.

    I believe the complete sentence shows that it is no longer Romney and Gingrich in a two man race: it is a long way from what it was because that was in the past.

    D’oh!

  • gekster

    That’s some patriot right there.

  • jrmax13

    But I will be leaving Texas (which if you believe natives, is a country unto itself). I’m so happy that you’re so happy. Your original premise of Perry being the next POTUS is almost as laughable as his “twisp.” That’s a new word. It is defined as : a twang mixed with a lisp.

  • bzip

    Like I said before:

    Right now a 4 person race: Romney, Cain, Perry and Newt.
    Cain goes down -> Perry and Newt go up.

    Soon it will be a 3 person race:: Romney, Perry and Newt
    Soon Cain will be with the other bottom feeders

    Once Iowa hist it becomes a 2 person race: Romney and Perry

    Does anyone honestly think anyone other than these 4 people are going to get anywhere, i.e. does anyone seriously think Bachmann, Rick Santurium, Huntsman will actually be seriously competitive?

    That if you assume that we are at a 4 person race sinking down to 3 then 2 with it being Romney and Perry.

    Lets just all agree and than we have more time to devote to beating Romney and Obama :-) .

    Thanks for agreeing :-) .

  • tyman

    S-M-R-T, I mean S-M-A-R-T!

  • sunshinek67

    which is why Mitt Romney is going after Perry, he has the money AND the conservative message. Perry just got another SuperPac today from his alumni Texas A & M, look for them to raise some serious $$ & descend upon Camp Romney like the bats @ Congress Avenue bridge around dusk.

  • sunshinek67

    Conservatives are so harsh with their vetting process!

  • txpat

    The don’t mess with Texas sign hit you on the way out JR.

  • sunshinek67

    See ya~

  • jrmax13

    I wonder if Tricky Ricky will send the donations back after it becomes clear to his own staff that he is toast. If he keeps the donations — he’s proves he simply a hack !

  • gekster

    I don’t get it, but ok.

  • jrmax13

    I have several more months left of penance in this dustbowl ! Maybe Perry can do a rain dance to help with the drought situation in the mean time. However, please keep him away from the firewater. There’s nothing uglier than seeing a grown man act like 8th grade cheerleader.

  • rickperryreport

    Gig ‘em Aggies and wire in the cash. Perry’s gonna win, and I’m working the Iowa caucus to make it so. Like all Aggies, and like Perry, I’ll walk the talk!

    “Give me an army of West Point graduates, I’ll win a battle. Give me a handful of Texas Aggies and I’ll win a war! ”
    –President Rick Perry

    Gig ‘Em!

  • tyman

    Just Google “Homer I am so smart”.

    It’s a riot!

  • sunshinek67

    :D

  • sunshinek67

    soooo the road is calling ya bud, buh bye!

  • gekster

    Your normally that way.

    (just so you can be right at least once, you can take that as an attack, ok)

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Hmmm. Well, stay the hell out of Arizona jr-koff.

  • septembergurl

    Among our finalists will be Perry and Gingrich. Also, romney & Huntsman.

    Perry is beginning a slow recovery. He has a great record, very wonderful personal story, good family etc. He needs to focus on his achievements and his goals and he will be fine.

    Gingrich — as a woman I don’t have a problem with Newt. Unlike Herb, he is a serial romantic. He marries the women he has affairs with. OK, it’s not conventional, but I believe Newt is a serious Catholic and in love with his wife.

    It’s ironic that Iowa voters prefer herb — a sexual predator (apparently it’s OK if it’s just white women) and one who is pro-choice on abortion. I think this should disqualify them as Presidential early selectors.

  • llorta

    Let’s hope we do better in politics than we do in football.

  • gekster

    He says that in my Simpsons hit & Run GameCube Game.
    Didn’t know if it was at me or not.
    If me, kool, if not,
    mybad
    must be all that cough syrup I drank

  • jrmax13

    It would be written as: “You’re normally …”
    I’m normally what ? Loaded up on something like Xanax in front of an audience and cameras ? No, I will leave that to limousines lout.

  • jrmax13

    Yes, I’m leaving. Don’t worry the multitudes of illegal border crossers (undocumented workers in Perry’s terminology) will gladly vote in my place.

  • gekster

    I was wondering how long it would take you.
    Good Job.

  • writescribe

    but I’m resigned to the fact that Romney will be the nominee. I wish I had the ‘fight’ some of you are expressing, but I’ve seen this movie many a time and been disappointed by the ending too often.

  • llorta

    Cain is pro-choice AND pro-life.

  • llorta

    With Cain having imploded, it will come down to Perry vs. Romney, and Romney maxes out at 30%. So long as Perry doesn’t pick his nose during the remaining debates, he’ll win.

  • tyman

    at the one you called Homer since he’s so s-m-r-t!

    Shoulda been more clear…just call me Homer. D’oh!

  • gekster

    The IQ in the state is low enough.

  • sunshinek67

    Perry “heart” line looks he suffered an attack of epic proportions. While that asterisk polling Huntsman is on life support.

    Most notable is the distinct downward trend for Herman Cain, his is a slow congestive heart failure. Romney’s heart line is predictable and even keeled, bionic in nature.

  • writescribe

    hehe :)

  • gekster

    It’s like the other team just scored a toughdown.
    Plenty of time left.
    The first quarter isn’t even over yet.
    Second quarter doesn’t start till the first primary.
    Like llorta says, keep the faith, and don’t give up till November, 2012.

  • jrmax13

    Please don’t move to OK! Please, please, please ! Who remembers that story ?
    Snark/ back on
    Alright, geks — If you live in OK, then truly, my estimation of you skyrocketed in comparison to TexAco.

  • sunshinek67

    ;)

  • gekster

    ..nt..

  • congressworksforus

    Every poll you cite claiming his lead has dropped, is a poll that Cain is scoring *better* in than the last time the poll was taken.

    I don’t know what RedState’s issue is, any why all the front-page diarists around here seem to want to be telling us who to vote for, but for once I’d like to see a little bit of objectivity. (Kudos to Leon for at least trying in this respect.)

    All I read in this piece, Neil, was spin, spin, spin…

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    If you want to be patted on the head and told The Leader will win, go to a Cain rally.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I didn’t see you crybabying it up about my posts when I was saying good things about Cain.

  • jrmax13

    geks, and others, it has been a pleasure being your soothsayer and all-around-beacon-of-light for this evening. But, as I have mentioned before: Not all of us are paid to copy and paste from a database the talking points of our preferred candidate. So, adios por la noche (or whatever the heck it is). If I mistranslated, please get La Raza Rick or geks to inform of any corrections.

  • gekster

    Short memories.
    Something the Democrats count on.

  • Xasteius

  • Tbone

    You’ll be walking funny looking out your belly button.

  • Xasteius

  • aesthete

    I’ve been reading Neil’s polling posts, and he’s pretty objective when it comes to reading them.

  • aesthete

    The guy barely registers in polling. I’d much rather have him than Cain or Romney, but I just don’t think his position in the polls justifies having him as a “top-tier” candidate or a finalist.

  • tailfins1959

    At least you can avoid living around Southerners in Texas: Just find a nice Spanish speaking neighborhood. The jobs created has been overwhelmed by the migration into the state. I was out of work and chose Massachusetts over Texas.

  • aesthete

    Especially Tucson. I heard they aren’t even really human — the brown skin’s a tip-off.

    Maybe you want to move somewhere whiter — somewhere far north, perhaps along the Canadian border? I think that’s far enough from AZ for you to be safe from the brown horde, honest.

  • gekster

    that will give the rest of us some time to clean the crap of the wall you’ve been flinging around here.

  • txindependent

    But there’s more to it than debates. I don’t think Gingrich can be the nominee with his baggage. And Cain looks like he has a real problem. That leaves Perry as the not-Romney. I think he could do well in the next few debates and all the negatives would be forgotten. There are plenty more debates for him to get his footing.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    How’s the weather in Utah today?

    Yes, I know, the proxy is in Texas. But…

  • retire05

    so the stench you create will follow you?

    And still waiting for you to tell me who you are supporting. But I guess it just slipped your mind.

  • retire05

    in Massachusetts? Or did you not know that your tax libability is much greater in Taxachusetts compared to Texas, not to mention the inflated housing cost in Taxachusetts?

  • izoneguy

    And then donate it to the unfortunate town that he moves too.
    Better yet, let’s give jrmax13 a map where all the OWS sites are located.
    I am sure he would be welcome with smelly armpits.
    Maybe there is an APP for that?

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    I don’t see he has a ghost of a chance to win the nomination, but he could scramble the Iowa numbers if the race remains this volatile, assuming these reports are accurate that suggest he’s starting to get a return on his time investment there:

    http://theiowarepublican.com/2011/santorum-wraps-99-county-tour-launches-new-one/

    http://theiowarepublican.com/2011/chuck-laudner-endorses-santorum/

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

  • nathanalbright

    …have a hard time understanding that others can be reasonably impartial when looking at poll data, rather than mere candibots.

  • David123

    Solid socon and defensecon. Might be just what we need if Iran and/or the Middle East blows up.

    As a nominee, he’s probably better positioned than anyone else, except maybe Romney, to carry Pennsylvania. Santorum has been more consistent than Romney. He has been consistently pro-American, pro-life, and anti-terrorist/terrorist sponsor.

    I agree he has a very steep climb to get the nomination. If somebody else gets the nomination he would be a good VP pick, shoring up foreign policy credentials and the chance to carry Pennsylvania.

  • Tbone

    me by two points.

  • iidvbii

    Think you missed your calling brother should be a comedian…

  • llorta

    …don’t take your wives.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    That was funny. I don’t care who you are.

  • llorta

    I didn’t realize you were polling in the negatives lol.

  • septembergurl

    Intrade: by this I mean the 2012 President field. It just looks at every candidate — Obama to Trump – and evaluates the probability that they will be President. Why I like it, people are betting actual money rather than just opinionating. Currently Obama is slightly under 50, romney is at about 34 or so, Cain is dropping like a stone, Perry level at about 5 or so, Gingrich and Huntsman rising.

    Rasmussen: I suspect in the next Ras face to face w/Obama and Cain, Cain will be out of single digits & therefore out of my top tier. Although who knows?

  • iidvbii

    Just thought you should know…

  • iidvbii

    Never heard it put that way, nice turn of phrase. :)

  • txindependent

    Right now intrade has, % chance to win nomination:

    70% Romney
    10% Perry
    8% Gingrich
    4% Cain

  • evilleramsfan

    if Perry and Gingrich joined forces. Not really on the ticket together, but say Perry as President, Gingrich as Chief of Staff, and then a northern conservative to balance the geography of the ticket….

  • center77

    but I am sure that does not fit your analysis, but then again, it does not matter, because I think that when the country finds out that while newt was speaker, he had to step down for a host of reasons including the fact he was the only speaker in history to be found guilty of ethics violations, and he even once had 84 levied against him.. Thats right, 84, 84, that is not something we see very often. While he was going after Clinton for, get this, a sex scandal, he himself was being bad.

  • center77

    I love Newt, but we should not try to run him against Obama, because record matters, and even in this year, where the Republican base seems to be like American idol, they have to look forward to the general election. Newt has a bad past, Romney is seen as electable, but even that does not carry him.

    I would say since this is the case, Perry has a good chance to come back. I am sticking by him until he is out, and even then I will hope he try again, because he is the right person. I care little about debates, and little about flash, I want a fighter, someone who will fight for what he believes, and Perry does that. Everything else is just silly. Newt has not always shown strength against the enemies of freedom.

    This is why I am a Perry support, because substance m,atters, record matters. I do not want someone who wants to be like, I want someone who will govern in a way to prove others wrong. I want a leader, and a leader can be hated, but they lead us were we need to go. I see that in Perry, when he stands by conservative values. When the right thing is the hard thing, he does not run from it.

    We need a fighter, a person who will take the heat for us. Who stands up and says, hey I know you may not like it, but this is the hard truth. Anything short of that, is more of the same.

  • congressworksforus

    I’m not a Cain supporter.

    I’m just sick of people like you telling me who NOT to vote for, while not providing anything of real substance as to why I should vote for someone else.

    And I’m extremely tired of this circular firing squad we roll out every election cycle.

    It’s no wonder the country is so screwed when we spend all our energy shooting each other instead of the opposition.

    Sorry to say it, but RedState is becoming GOP-central. Becoming more and more difficult each day to determine who’s actually objective around here, and who’s been sent here to shlll for Candidate X.

  • congressworksforus

    Whatever happened to “Be respectful”

    Lead by example, Neil. You do yourself and RedState no favors when you stoop to that level.

  • congressworksforus

    Not a Cain supporter.

    But I’d be inclined to support the guy just for the fact he’s striking sheer terror into all the GOP-bots on here…

  • congressworksforus

    If whomever gets the nomination runs not as just the candidate + VP, but as the candidate with his/her VP + all the cabinet positions, it’d go a long way to assuaging voters who have issues with a candidate’s knowledge in certain areas.

    Bush’s pick of Cheney as VP with his FP knowledge nullified any question in that regard for Bush’s presidency going into the election. No one was seriously questioning that aspect because of who was sat beside him.

    Just a thought.

  • retire05

    Well, golly gee, none other than the Discovery Channel.

    The Discovery Channel is running a program entitled “Texas Drug Wars” that features the Texas Rangers who are patrolling the Texas/Mexico border. It is worth watching.

    Of course, I guess that doesn’t count when we hear so much about the Arizona Rangers, or the New Mexico Rangers, or even the California Rangers. Oh wait, they don’t exist. Or maybe the multiple programs that have been made about how these other border states are doing the jobs of the feds? Oh, wait, they don’t exist, either.

    So I dare anyone to tell me that Rick Perry is NOT strong on the border, and doing the job Obama should be doing.

  • GregInFla

    Anyone who would vote for Romney is voting Romney. Anyone currently favoring other candidates (Bachmann, Cain, Perry, Newt) will NOT willingly vote Romney. He is that much of a polarizing figure, darlin’.

    Go Cain! Go Newt!

  • GregInFla

    I heard several times on Fox News Radio Friday morning that Perry had said that illegal aliens should be able to freely go back and forth across the border so that they can work. I did not see it reported anywhere. What was up? If he said this, then he’s crazy.

  • goformitt

    Not to shine a light on bad news, but we have a bigger problem than Herman Cain. The November NBC News/Wall Street Journal Survey demonstrates a much bigger image problem that I think we Republicans will have to grapple with.

    And the sad thing is, instead of focusing on the goal – defeating Obama – we have to fight among ourselves – tea-party radicals VS moderates who want to win.

    Now, I know I’ll get trashed for this, but in my opinion, we have been behaving in a manner that alienates the majority in this country. And that is not how to win elections.

    Take a look at these numbers and tell me we don’t have a strategic problem on our hands!

    TOTAL POSITIVE / TOTAL NEGATIVE
    Hillary Clinton ………………………………….. 55 / 22
    Michelle Obama ………………………………. 51 / 21
    Barack Obama ………………………………… 45 /.40
    The Democratic Party ………………………. 40 / 37
    The Occupy Wall Street Movement ……32 / 35
    Mitt Romney ……………………………………. 26 / 30
    Ron Paul ………………………………………… 19 / 28
    Herman Cain …………………………………… 23 / 35
    The Republican Party ……………………….30 / 44
    The Tea Party Movement ………………….27 / 44
    Rick Perry ………………………………………. 16 / 37

  • pttx333

    he is a good man with a proven record in an extremely difficult and large state with many issues. We’re in really good shape, considering. Perry is a proven fighter, he is honest, he has taken the heat and will continue to do so – he is not a quitter. There is no wimpiness (new word, I think) in any form in him, and he’ll go to the mat while fighting for what is the right thing to do. And there is no one who can successfully argue or dispute any of it!

  • goformitt

    Al;most all of them illegal :-)

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    Time for the MSM to shoot him down before he becomes a threat!

    Let’s see, what scandal shall we come up with…I got it:

    Source claims that Tbone stole Halloween candy from children

    However the source demands anonymity for fear of retaliation, lest they lose their car rides to school and soccer practice.

    Details at 11

  • pttx333

    has been a Texas worker program for decades whereby Mexican citizens, after a lot of paperwork, documentation, etc., can cross over each day to work, then cross back over at the end of each day. It isn’t a thing where folks can just waltz across willy-nilly as they please – and that applies to everyone, not just Mexicans. I’ve personally crossed the border numerous times (though won’t do so again, too dangerous now) and here I sit in my car – very fair skin, green eyes, Texas drawl, with proper identification – and was still quizzed at the border, both ways. Those who come here illegally do not do so at the border crossings – they swim the river, walk a long way or have “coyotes” pick them up to transport them somewhere. Just as they do in FL, I assume. They can’t just hop a ship somewhere and hop off at any port they choose, they sneak in. Same difference here.

    Hope this clears up yet another Fox “misstatement” designed to hit Perry!

  • MikeG

    Thank God we followed this advice in 2008 and elected President McCain. Who knows what things would have been like if we had run a conservative radical instead of a pragmatic moderate and lost to Barack Obama.

    Oh wait…

  • rickperryreport

    No kidding. What happened to the #7 Aggies?

  • rickperryreport

    congressworksforus–

    It’s your choice on who to vote for.

    I’ll make a bargain with you for accepting my advocacy with a smile. If Rick Perry does well at the debate Wednesday night, can I count on your support?

    I think that if you watch the interviews he’s done over the past 4 weeks, you’ll see a great deal of consistency and a very good economic plan with a record of executing plans against great odds.

    (Since you were asking, I thought I’d throw in a direct pitch (-;)

  • congressworksforus

    Our primary is sometime next year (Ohio – they are still deciding when). I have lots of time to determine who to vote for, no?

    Why must I make a decision today?

    OK, OK, I’ll give you that I wont vote for Romney. (Romney fans: I don’t trust him, sorry.)

  • congressworksforus

    At this point that Romney isn’t going to be nominated. If you can’t shift that ~25% into the mid thirties by this point, you have a fundamental problem that no amount of money or inevitability will solve.

    Also, the more the media pushes him, the more the voters will reject him. (IMHO.)

    Of course, a lot can change in the next several months… that is, after all, why we have this process :)

  • congressworksforus

    The issue at this point is the same in every election cycle — Intrade is grossly unreliable at this point because the amount of money being traded is negligible.

    We see this every time, and hear it every time that such-and-such candidate will win. Generally, they are wrong.

    Remember, if you bet wisely, you can win money on Intrade regardless of who wins — you just have to bet on them all at the right time.

    My assumption is Romney cannot win the nomination (but things could change), so betting on any of the other three (one of whom will most likely be the nominee) is a guaranteed money maker if you agree with my assumption on Romney…

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    …and look at longer-terms trends – when the hourly noise filters itself out. Who would have predicted last week – or last month – where we’d be at today – and next week we could see further shifts.

    The other thing is to look beyond hot buttons and discern a coherent picture of what each viable candidate stands for and how effective they can be at getting their policies enacted. Good ideas won’t mean anything if Congress shoots them down – or if an unreformed bureaucracy sabotages them.

    And finally, who makes you feel better about yourself and the future of American – and who makes you want to count your silverware after they leave your house?

  • GregInFla

    The wording on the radio news segment was “illegal aliens cross back and forth to work”. Thanks for clarification. But, I also heard the claim that Perry said you cannot deport 10 million people. Don’t get me wrong; I like Perry.

    I disagree with that last one. The illegals will self-deport when they cannot work here. Fred Thompson had it right in 2007: attrition via voluntary deportation.

  • GregInFla

    I have not heard or read this rationale on news anywhere. it just seems pretty straightforward to me. Romney has tried to move to the right in speeches recently, but you don’t hear those speeches anywhere in the news. He’s done.

  • pttx333

    and their bias these days, but I have gone from a 24/7 Fox fan to nada, nil, uh uh. I’ve heard the last of the skewed statements, particularly about Perry since he is “my guy,” because they intentionally skew said statements to come out exactly the way their bias wishes. And those who don’t bother to question such or to delve further just go along believing all of the BS they throw out. It is infuriating to me. And it isn’t just with Perry, I don’t want that to happen to anyone, anywhere at any time.

    As for the “you cannot deport 10 million people,” that is, I think, something that Perry said. I agree with that in the sense that how in the devil would that be accomplished? Line up thousands of buses, hire untold thousands of workers to accomplish same, feed all of them and how many untold millions (billions?) of dollars would be that? Do you do it with guys on horses or with ‘copters flying overhead with machine guns? The proposal is that with strong restrictions on those who hire illegals, etc., they would self-deport quickly. But the fact that it is completely skewed to come out that “Perry is all for amnesty” is absolutely 100% false! Fred was right, and so is Perry. That is the real world.

    I know that folks get so tired of hearing about Texas, but the truth is that Texas is unique with a 1,200 mile border that is nothing more than the Rio Grande River, so how on earth do you completely seal it off? Given the mountainous areas, etc., and the unfriendly terrain surrounding same, you can’t build a fence in the middle of the river. Then if you put a fence on either the Mexico or Texas side, you cut off water to the other country! Isn’t it just the pits?

    This whole nation is in such a dilemma given the criminals we have in D.C. and OUR White House, we MUST make the right choice next year. I personally feel that it is our very last chance before becoming the Titanic. So, lets pray really hard that we get it right, Greg. It is imperative that we do.

    Good talking to you!

  • pttx333

    describes why Romney will never win. You wrote “Romney has tried to move to the right in speeches recently, … ” BINGO! No candidate should ever shift around hoping that someone will agree with something he/she says! That smacks entirely of someone with no inner core, no inner principles or values, IMHO.

    On a similar note, I heard James Carville recently describe – yeah, I know, I NEVER agree with the ogre except on this one thing – Romney as a “serial windsock!” I rolled on the floor at that one and am still laughing about it. He hit the nail on the head! Then some moron on the panel said “What’s a windsock?” And that set off another round of hysteria from me! What a hoot and totally accurate on Carville’s part!

  • iidvbii

    Several witnesses have confided on condition of anonymity that Tbone was spotted as recently as 1989 golfing with Lucifer himself…. Though it comes as no surprise after all he is running in the GOP primary.

  • williamjameson

    What is needed now is to see Perry and Newt up further to see if Romney loses ground as voters reconsider and open their minds. Otherwise, the probability increases that Romney loses to Obama because Romney gets the John Kerry treatment on election day.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Do you see why?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Then you came and posted rubbish in my thread.

  • davesinsanantonio

    starts with Iowa and ends maybe with South Carolina, maybe with Super Tuesday.

    The first half ends with the convention.

    Then the fun starts!!! Can’t wait until the post-game party on Jan 20th.

  • davesinsanantonio

    n / t

  • gekster

    refered to Herman Cain as ‘Herb”.
    It has kind of stuck.

  • msjallen

    we have a loooooooooong way to go and polls don’t tell it all. At this point in time it is just a guessing game.
    PRAY for your country, God is our only hope.

  • tyman

    I was referring to “Homer”, as Gekster called him, and I took the Homer reference to mean Homer Simpson.

    Just Google “Homer Invincible”. I wish I knew what episode this was from.

  • tyman

    Please explain, O, Sage of the East!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    All Adults polls always lean left.

  • congressworksforus

    I’ve noticed in many of your diaries that if someone challenges your assumptions, your response is usually to go after the person making the comment, rather than address the flaw(s) in your diary.

    In this case you’re claiming Cain’s numbers are dropping, even though each poll you cite shows Cain’s numbers climbing from the last time that outfit polled.

    Rather than taking pot-shots at me, why don’t you address that fundamental flaw in your argument?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I’m sorry you have a problem with math being biased against you, but I can’t really worry about it anymore.

  • tyman

    I don’t put a lot of credibility in the polls right now; right or wrong, I just don’t.

    I guess you would think that as a Perry supporter of course I’d say that. I’m always skeptical of polls.

    But, these are suspect to me because polls can show what the pollster wants you to see.

    If people see that candidate “X” is at 3% or whatever, that could understandably bias people to not vote for them because they perceive that they have no chance. It’s obvious who the media wants to win the nomination, and I think they’re trying to legitimize that candidate by showing the other candidates in a less than favorable light.

    I’m also not sure about polls for Obama. With his approval numbers, I can’t imagine Obama beating Bozo, etc.

    I think it was Mark Twain who said that statistics are like women of the night: once you get them down, you can do anything you want to with them.

  • annplato

    Lest we forget what is our number one goal: make Obama a ONE TERM PRESIDENT, we are going to get what we deserve. More than policies, more than baggage, more than anything else we MUST get Obama and his cronies OUT! We must look at the Republican candidate to most likely be able to do that! I see Newt to be the one. His “baggage” is not THAT bad. Why is it that we forget all the positives he brought to the party, but like the MSM will do relentlessly, we are doing it now? It?s not right!

  • Tbone

    Zero. It just ain’t going to happen because he has no chance of winning the nomination.

  • ihateliberals

    I have seen since 1950′s. Everyone in the party is calling the other candidates names and tearing them down. It’s like they don’t realize that if the other one gets the nomination the democrats wil have plenty of free information to use against them. The Republican party since George H W Bush has been on downward spiral and has been doing it’s best to get the conservatives outor at least toned down. Bush, Dole and then Bush again were all Liberal Republican and now we are going to go with another Liberal regardless of who wins. The difference wil be which party it wil be. The 30+ years of the Liberal takeover of the school systems is beginning to pay off for them. the youngsters coming out of the system have no concept of how America got to be the strong nation that it was and they think that America has been bad to/for the world. The ones that think they are conservative just aren’t conservative enough nor is there enough of them. The movement of our government towards Socialism fits Einsteins theory of insanity: “If you keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different results” that is insanity. The world is in for a long time of depression and lost of life. The technology may also be lost in the years to come as there wil be no incentives for it to grow and what we have today no one wil be able to afford other than the government. The destruction of four government from the inside out is something the founding fathers over looked. They always thought there woul dbe two strong government concepts to oppose each other and keep the government in control of the people. They never realized that one of the Parties could indoctrinate children and be able to bring the government down through the use of our youth and our vry own constitution.

  • spelunker

    The only difference is, SpeakerGingrich is smart. You, my friend, are an idiot.

  • spelunker

    Who in the world would believe these laughable numbers? Only the radical socialists have positive numbers!

  • Tbone

    No doubt all your friends and family are idiots.

  • ihateliberals

    Of course he didn’t win the race though.

  • billtecjonovick

    Good call on this one CWFU. You’ve noticed the same thing that dozens and dozens of us have noticed, even the many of us who are mere readers/lurkers and not commenters on RS: Neil, while ostensibly being a smart guy concerned about conservative causes, often can’t manage to deal with anything that challenges his assumptions or position.

    It’s embarrassing to watch, but I don’t think he realizes how unbelievably ridiculous he often comes across. It’s almost fun to watch, though. For reference, just see his replies to comments disagreeing with his “Tech at Night” feature. Granted there aren’t many comments on TAN because people in general have tired of his tech ramblings and really don’t care to engage on the topics because it’s obvious how Neil will respond to disagreements (see below).

    Neil seems to have about 5 responses if he doesn’t agree with you:

    1. “Get educated, son.” )This is the single-most moronic phrase uttered on RS, but Neil keeps using it!)
    2. “…You’re a shill for Obama/Soros/etc. agenda.” (Yawn. Boooooring.)
    3. “Cool story, bro.” (Apparently no one has informed him that instead of this coming across as him mocking the person he’s replying to, it only makes Neil look ridiculous. It’s like he thinks that no one else gets that he’s mocking someone using this tired old meme. Neil, for the sake of your own reputation, please find another more current meme to reference).
    4. “You’re a troll.”
    5. Stops responding or says he’s bored with you (see below).

    It’s too bad that Neil doesn’t seem to have the ability to intelligently debate folks who disagree with him, but as one of many who have given up on taking his analysis seriously, I must say that watching him display his arrogance without the slightest idea that there are myriad folks out here mocking him is pretty entertaining.

    I know I’ll get banned for this and the mods will continue in their echo chamber ways of banding together against all perceived outsiders, but it had to be said. RS is a good place most of the time. It’s just too bad that folks like Neil (and many of the mods actually) make it a place so easy to mock. The conservative message often gets lost (or at least greatly diminished) amidst the egos.

    And no, Neil/Moe/Bill S, etc. — I’m not a “retread” looking for revenge on Neil for something. But I’m sure you’ll say I am anyway. I’m sure you guys have a difficult job as mods, but you guys are unfortunately spectacular in alienating many of your readers.

    And let the banning/accusations of troll/deletions of my comment/claims of “How dare you!”begin. If only one person sees this, my work is done. Toots!

    TL:DR: Neil Stevens incessantly makes a mockery of himself and it is fun to watch. The other mods often do the same.

  • gekster

    It shows why some should stick to just lurking, and not commenting.
    It’s obvious you skipped the parts where Neil has had debates with posters who had coherent arguements.
    But like most lefties, you only say what does you good, and leave out facts.
    Nice try, no sale.

  • Tbone

    that Neil has, then you can apply for the right to whine about him.

    Neil is right 95% of of the time, the other 5% is when he disagrees with me, but he is learning which is something I doubt is in your skill set.

    Toots!

  • Bill S

    You’re a troll.

  • westcoastpatriette

  • ceili_dancer

    Since that’s the usual degree of confidence in most statistical analysis.

  • jakeofalltrades

    and stop being a shill for the Obama/Soros/etc. agenda.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …”You mad, bro?”

  • avagreen

    As msjallen said above
    “PRAY for your country, God is our only hope.”

    I erased the rest of my post……too depressing.

    We need someone strong in values and willing to stand up to those that wish to further rob our nation of its freedoms. Whoever is elected that’s not a RINO will face the greatest opposition imaginable, IMO (Occupy New York/Oakland on steroids.)
    Long hard struggle ahead.

  • Bill S

    .