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The Rollercoaster goes back down for Herman Cain

By: Neil Stevens (Diary)  |  November 7th, 2011 at 01:00 PM  | 

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We saw last week that Herman Cain was on his way up before the Politico story, and fell off slightly afterward.

Friday brought us a new poll which reinforces past conclusions. Yes, he really was on the way down last week, despite raising money in the seven figures.

The facts: ABC News/Washington Post poll by Langer Research Associates and Abt-SRBI, 438 leaning Republican RVs, MoE 5.5. Mobile and landline handling.

Mitt Romney leads the poll. In fact, he’s unchanged since the last ABC polls from the beginning of October and the beginning of September. He’s at 25 to Cain’s 23 (up 6 from a month ago). Two other candidates in double figures: Rick Perry at 14 (down 3), Newt Gingrich at 12 (up 3).

So all the trends in this poll are about where we expect them to be at this point. Mitt Romney has his core that he’s held onto, but that core isn’t growing. At this point, has Romney won over as a first choice every Republican he’s going to win over?

Cain at 23 though has his lowest reading in a national poll in about a month. Now it’s possible this particular poll is understating Cain’s performance, for Cain to be so much lower than he is in the other polls, while Perry is markedly higher than he’s been in about a month. It’s also possible some minds have changed.

I continue to conclude that based on last week, Cain needs this story to be over. And he seems to agree, given his recent statements to the effect of “End of story. Back on message.” But like a scientist constantly calling for more research, I eagerly await more polling.

Crossposted from Unlikely Voter

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  • NeoKong

    He is not dropping out.
    No one will until at least after Iowa.
    That will be the measuring stick worth looking at.

    None of this scandal business will make it through holidays.
    In another week or two people’s attention span will go dormant at least until after New Years.

    In other news I just got an e-mail from streiff.
    Gloria Allred is to have a press conference to present another Cain accuser and streiff is hosting a party for it.
    He said not to bother bringing any cheese as he has plenty.

  • tngal

    At least you didn’t go with the online Ipsis poll.I don’t know what to make of onlines. But I was ready. If you did I would have had to comeback with two great straw polls this weekend in SD and FL, and they are about as reliable. :)

    Ps. what do you know of Insider Advantage? I could see why they would want to survey so they can target ad buys for clients but are they reliable. They surveyed last thursday. Not that it matters. After Allred has her dog and pony show this afternoon, we should know if support is firm or if it will crater.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I stick to polls with a basis in statistics, using random sampling of the electorate.

  • http://www.rightproadvisors.com erinmist

    We can support whomever. We can work our butts off for whomever. We can do what ever for whom ver. But the simple fact remains that independents have already bought off on the the idea that Mitt Romney is going to be our nominee. And no one, and no amount of money, is going to change that fact.

    I don’t support Romney as I think he’s a flip-flopping SOB that will say or do anything to get into the White House. But that level of amoral character is something I will now use to my advantage — i.e. he can say he’s a small government, pro-life conservative and I –and about 2 million Tea Party supporters will hold him to it. Or he, too, will be a one term president.

    But bottom line, before even a single vote has been cast, he’s our nominee. Play the game, if you will, but this is what’s going to come out of S.C.. Call the game as you will, but this becomes more clear on a daily basis. Whether we can rally around this RINO whom we hope has had a change of heart is all this debate is about .

    That’s reality folks. Ronald Reagan didn’t show up for this electioion, and we need to get out heads aroun that fact. And if you’ve looked at my postes, you’ll see that this is not at all whatI wanted to see.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    You have two options.

    You can provide evidence that streiff emailed you, or you can retract and apologize to streiff. And no “sorry for if you were offended” nonsense. An apology for lying about him.

    You picked the wrong diary to threadjack with your obsession, Buster Brown.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    Translation: online polls aren’t worth their weight in cow dung.

    There’s a science to polling, and if you don’t utilize the science, it’s garbage-in / garbage-out.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    I prefer predestination, because I don’t know what’s in store. Which means that what I do may affect the outcome.

    The logical outcome of your fatalism is that you should go ahead and enjoy yourself elsewhere because what you say and do politically won’t matter anyway. If we want to “waste our time” – that’s our business.

  • septembergurl

    He is in double digits everywhere. Really remarkable and accomplished by his focus on substance. How I would love to see him as our VP debating Slow Joe.

    Even more interesting is Rasmussen’s head to head with Obama, just released today. Previously Net had the worst numbers vs Obama, something like a 20+ point gap. Today, it’s Obama 44, Newt 38. Just 6 points back.

    That puts Newt in my top tier, with Romney, Perry, Huntsman and Cain.

    It’s obvious that Perry is also recovering support, though slowly. I think he has benefitted from the bye weeks with no debates. Saddle up, Rick! There’s a debate this week. please go in with a strategy you are able to execute!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Just ask President Ron Paul or Republican nominee Sarah Palin about their quality.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    Newt’s main plus is his debate performance. But if he keeps rising, the media eventually will turn their guns on him. At that time we’ll see if he’s done his homework as to how to handle his past record – because we know what they’re going to fire against him. And hopefully he’s prepared if there’s stuff that the public hasn’t seen before. He’s got no excuse to be caught unprepared.

  • usedtobelib

    (today it’s that ambulance chaser Gloria Allred) keeps Obama in the background. Job numbers, the mess all the states are dealing with concerning Medicare, Medicaid/Obamacare, Nancy Pelosi’s recent inane statements, the pipeline through Canada….all these things are kept off the front page by the Cain stuff. This for a candidate who seems to be skirting some truths, too.

  • txpat

    Erinmist. I afraid I’m not made that way.
    I do not accept Mitty as our guy.
    I will continue to fight for Perry until I primary in Texas.
    If we Americans didn’t fight for what we believed in years ago we would all be speaking German now.
    Fight for what you believe in.

  • bzip

    To me what the polls show in general is a 4 person race.
    Romney, Cain, Perry and Newt

    Cain looks like he is going down slowly, not too surprising.
    It looks like Perry and Newt are gaining from Cain.

    In the end -if things don’t clear up soon for Cain it will be a 3 person race with Romney, Perry and Newt.

    Iowa will then bring it more to a 2 person race, most likely Romney and Perry :-) .

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    that we are reaping the whirlwind from our failure to fix this nomination process, With many of the early primaries being open primaries then the independents get to pick our nominee for us.

    Last time it was McCain. McCain at NO TIME ever got a majority of Republicans behind him, then all of a sudden he was the guy.

    We ought to be happy this time that it is Romney, There is no way to be sure, but I feel he would be better than McCain, at least a better campaigner.

  • wennejunk

    That may be the outcome in the end, but nothing is determined at this point.

    Most of the country, independents included, are are barely paying attention.

    They are forming impressions, some are listening to their neighbors, some of whom (perhaps lie you) are influencing them with the inevitability story.

    Nothing is inevitable in this race.

  • NeoKong

    streiff never e-mailed.
    There is no Herman Cain bashing party.

    I apologize to my good friend streiff.
    It’s just that I figured streiff wouldn’t mind if I was short on hard facts.

    I apologize to you too Neil.

  • jackdaniels11

    Which is funny because he loves to dish out threats and insults. He just can’t take it when someone treats him the same way he treats others.

    And I love how he runs to Neil and others with “they’re picking on me again” the first time someone takes one of his quotes out of context.

    That is classic bully behavior. All tough guy until someone squares up to him.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    I thought you were saying that we just surrender to the inevitable and learn to “love Big Brother”.

    But it now seems like you’re advising us to look to ways to turn lemons into lemonade. If so, then we’re on the same page in terms of taking a more strategic approach.

    I agree that with the mounting body count of Romney opponents, that a Romney’s nomination by default is looking increasingly likely. (The Chicago way meets Republican primary 2012). That means we will need to start scenario planning now about 2014 and 2016 in the context of “with friends [in the White House] like this, who needs enemies”.

    And keep strengthening our farm team – promising conservatives at the state level.

  • gekster

    Oh, I just looked at your username.
    No, you don’t.

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    Face it, gang, Herman Cain has played us for saps.

  • tnguy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi6n_-wB154

    Zero chance Gingrich gets the nomination. He essentially made a campaign commercial for anyone who would run against him.

  • jackdaniels11

    You can call it a “4-person race” or a “9-person race”.

    Intrade is where people go when they want to put their money where their hunches are. According to Intrade, it has been a one-person race since the Perry train imploded.

    Cain never really threatened Romney’s position as the front-runner.

    Polls don’t do what people presume that polls do. Polls do not predict the future. They only tell you what people think who have time to talk to a pollster on the phone. Online polls are even worse because they get “freep’d”, “smurfed”, or whatever you want to call it.

    If you want to know which football team is most likely to win next year’s superbowl, you don’t call 1000 likely superbowl viewers and ask them which team they think will win. You go to a website that has the odds of winning, especially if this is a website that actually will take your bet.

    It confuses me that so many posters here think that guys like Cain, Gingrich, and/or Perry have a real shot at getting nominated.

    I’d love to get them to place a wager on their beliefs. They talk a great game but they’d rather write about their candidate than bet on him.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    I certainly have no intention of slacking on trying to stop Mr. Romney from the nomination. We still fight until mathematical impossibility.

    But at the same time, better to start contingency planning now than to scramble later. 2012 is a major test, but not the end of the game (except that an Obama victory may mean crossing the event horizon, especially if the Democrats also keep the Senate and regain the House).

  • tailfins1959

    If Perry is able to “cram” for the nomination, Cain has given him a breather as well as Newt might serve that purpose. We may have to settle for Romney, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t at least make an effort. Longshots do win on occasion. We need to take on ex-Congressman Mel Hancock’s (of Missouri’s Hancock Amendment fame) mindset and “just do it” because it’s the right thing to do regardless of the odds of winning.

  • izoneguy

    Is Herman going to come out and say it is a case of he said – she said…..???

  • onemovoter

    His daughter came out recently to set the record strait about the divorce papers and his ex in the hospital with “cancer”.

    She said she was there the entire time and put everything in a time frame that completely changed the original story. I was happy to read about it and know it’s something that really hurt Newt’s credibility with a good chunk of people.

    I know that wasn’t the biggest thing, because sitting on the couch with Petlosi (yes my nickname) I think put the biggest nail on Newt. Also early this year he had many negative miss steps. Like I’ve said before, most people have short memories of about a month or two.

    I think people’s short memory will work for Perry since it’s still another 2 months to go. Perry’s best bet is to go positive or at least just say he’d like to invite people to compare the ideas he’s presented with others. Perry has to get his positives up to get his overall polling up.

  • tailfins1959

    There’s a 30% chance Romney will not be the nominee according to Intrade.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Did your mom punch you in the head when you were a kid or something?

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    …as the competition gets picked off, one by one. But we paid our money for the show, so the outcome is not surprising.

    The second act doesn’t look to have a happy ending either, when it’s Mitt against the world.

    Time to change the script.

  • tnguy

    We actually vote in elections, whereas viewers participation in the Super Bowl is limited to just watching.

    If Romney were the juggernaut his supporters pretend him to be, he’d be able to get more than 25% support. Fact is, he’s just the candidate of choice for northeastern and beltway liberal republicans, and southern and western republicans have little or no affinity for him whatsoever.

    Romney might be the favorite, but it’s only slight, and if one distinct conservative candidate emerges, Romney is toast. His only hope is to keep a number of conservatives in the fight for as long as possible to split up the conservative vote.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    (where we’re looking at being mated in 3) to poker*.

    *Star Trek TOS reference

  • red_oakster

    Romney has shown precious little capability to increase support whenever a rival declines. That support always seems to go elsewhere. Inevitable may have to wait.

  • acat

    Not all child abuse is post-natal.

    Mew

  • clintonformccain

    staying on message means issuing a statement everyday that “the new allegations are completely false….”

  • tailfins1959

    It boils down to Perry being ignorant or stupid. Ignorance is curable by studying his butt off. However, you can’t fix stupid! Time will tell which.

  • tngal

    I’ll say that. And yes, Herman’s camp is calling it bogus.

  • clintonformccain

    Woman accuses Cain of reaching for genitals

    Now, there’s a headline that will make any Presidential candidate start drinking before noon!

  • jackdaniels11

    If four women are blowing the same kind of smoke, gang, there’s gotta be a fire somewhere.

    Did Clinton actually tell Paula Jones to “kiss it”? I don’t know. I wouldn’t be willing to bet my entire life savings on it. But her story has added credibility when you consider it in the context of the below allegations.

    Did Clinton rape Juanita Bennett? Probably, yes. Either that or she’s the best liar I’ve ever seen.

    Did Clinton forcibly grope Kathleen Wiley? Probably, yes. He never denied that he did. His response to the allegation was, “The Oval Office has no curtains.” Thanks, Slick Willie. The question was, “Did you forcibly grope her and then intimidate her to keep her from coming forward about it?”

    Did Clinton rape Elizabeth Ward Grayson in the back of a limo? Elizabeth’s friend, Judy Stokes says that he did and that Elizabeth herself told her this.

    Did Clinton rape Hillary while on vacation in Bermuda in 1979? Edward Klein, a former editor for the New York Times Magazine, says that he did on at least one occasion and that he bragged about it to his friends. My source for this is “The Truth About Hillary” by Ed Klein.

    Did Clinton ruin Monica Lewinsky’s and Linda Tripp’s lives? Yes.

    Did he falsely smear Ken Starr, Matt Drudge, Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston, Henry Hyde and everyone else who either opposed his liberal agenda and/or did their constitutional duty to defend the U.S. Constitution from all enemies? Yes.

    I am not saying that all of the rape/sexual battery allegations are true. But even if one of them is true, Bill Clinton was simply the worst individual that we ever elected as president. He should be registering once a year as a sex offender so that officials can keep track of his whereabouts in case any young women go missing.

    Is this a threadjack? No. Here’s the tie-in: we can’t put our stamp of approval on a guy with this much baggage. I understand that people here hate Romney for both conscious and subconscious reasons but Herm Cain represents the depth to which people here will stoop to avoid an obvious conclusion: Mitt Romney is the only Republican who can beat Obama.

    When you compare Romney and Cain side-by-side, there is a clear winner. Cain owes a lot of his success to the same kinds of programs that got an unqualified Barack Obama into Columbia University and later Harvard Law School.

    Romney’s background is a testament to the man’s competence. We don’t have women coming forward to accuse Romney of luring them into a hotel room for an inappropriate encounter or getting them to sign an NDA and then having Romney tell half-truths about what happened on TV while denying his victim the opportunity to tell her side of the story.

    Cain is pathetic.

  • jackdaniels11

    nt

  • iidvbii

    He stills doesn’t have the same issues as your beloved Cain. Cain is a walking commercial for anyone who wants run against him.
    “I didn’t understand…”
    “You didn’t understand….”
    “The questions were to fast….”
    “I was joking…..”
    “You have to use MY analysis….”(apparently Cain is the only one on the planet with a working calculator)
    “It’s the woman’s choice to have an abortion or not…. No I am not pro choice..”
    Face it as soon as someone decides to go negative on Cain, its over the man is a gaffe machine at the scale of Joe biden..

  • reggie182

    I doubt this woman is going to do much to discourage current people who support Cain to abandon him. The kind of people who admire or even at the very least take Allred seriously are not exactly the demographic that would vote for Cain anyway.

    After seeing the Cain-Gingrich debate and looking at new Iowa polling data, I’m becoming increasingly more convinced that this is a Romney-Cain-Gingrich race, and the others are pretty much out of the running.

  • red_oakster

    which means he has little chance in Iowa. And there’s no path to the nomination without a good finish in Iowa. Gingrich might have won the nomination in 1996 when he would have been the conservative movement’s alternative to Bob Dole. But Gingrich was busy having an extramarital affair at the time. Today, there’s no reason to expect that he can get past the gadfly threshold.

  • iidvbii

    nt…

  • jackdaniels11

    Did yours?

    My response is much simpler: No.

    And your response to my statement is non-responsive. I move to strike it. I notice that you failed to respond to what I said.

    I said that Streiff is too thin-skinned and that he seems to have gone to you rather than confront the person directly. That is cowardly.

  • jackdaniels11

    Is that something that has a clue?

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    You would think that people would have learned by now. It’s sad thst Rush Limbaugh got taken in by Cain and so did Mark Levine. They fell for it.

    What’s truly sad is that One-bama is beatable and yet all we can come up with is this joke of a field we are putting out there.

    Dear God in heaven, please convince Allen West to run. Please!!

  • jackdaniels11

    Interesting.

    I would assume that this would be against the rules that you recently referred me to. I read them by the way. They are definitely not enforced evenly here.

    Some animals are more equal than others, eh?

  • jackdaniels11

    parents did to you.

    But I’m not going to share them in a forum that is as public as this one.

  • Scope

    I watched the presser also. The accuser seems to be a credible person, and a registered Republican. I loved the way Allred, in her speech, called Cain’s actions against Sharn Bialek his own version of his “stimulus package.” We shall see if her credibility holds up under the media spotlight, which will be an exhaustive search.

    When she described what he did to her, a lawyer analyzing the statements said that if true what he did was sexual abuse, not harassment. She said that she asked Cain what he was doing, and his reply was- “You want a job don’t you.”

    Before the presser was over, the Cain campaign had already addressed the Allred presser, and of course took their own shot at Allred as a celebrity lawyer, which she is. Now it’s Allred’s fault for his woes.

  • bornagainrealist

    We all know someone like HC. He thinks very highly of himself. He thinks that nothing he does is wrong. This last woman is crushing for him. She is a tea party member. He requested oral sex in exchange for a job. I personally know people like this. They use their power to get sexual favors. HC’s 15 minutes is up. We all need to get use to Mittens. He is the only one that can defeat BO in 2012.

  • jackdaniels11

    Streiff should be the first to apologize to the many people that he’s gone after.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    …but that what private property is about, you get to make the rules.

    I’m not one of the rule-makers, but I learn to go along with them or go elsewhere. Griping is like bring a knife to a gun fight.

    My advice: stick to your opinion and analysis and back off from bravado and its flip side, victimhood. This is not the site for personal drama.

  • Scope

    This. Is. A. Major. Game. Changer.

    She went to him for help with finding a job, and she went to NY to meet with him to talk about it. He said he was driving her to the NRA building in DC to show it to her, parked the car, put his hand up her skirt reaching higher so to speak, and pulled her hed down towards his lap to be clean about it.

    The ladr seems to be very credible, and is a registered Republican. She has 2 statements taken under a perjury penalty coroborating her story back to 1997.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Your comment broke the rules. I had two options: pursue a ban, or let it slide by mocking you.

    I chose the lenient route, since streiff’s a pretty thick-skinned fellow in truth.

    I’m the one who’s intolerant of that junk. He’d never have instigated this on his own.

  • tngal

    this one claims hand under skirt, reach for “genitals”. And he reportedly pushed her face down heading for the crotch area. Anyway she said she told him to stop and then he took her back to where she was staying.

    Gloria Allred referred to it as his”idea of a stimulus package”. That woman should do stand-up.

    So, if this is true, (cain is denying) there is still no sex although an attempt.

    On the plus side. the 999,000 iowa money bomb is doing well. 670k so far and volunteers still flowing into iowa.

  • Scope

    to the NRA as she was already gone from their employee. That’s why she asked Cain for help in finding a new job.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

  • iidvbii

    Your kinda forgetting that bright shiny silver spoon mittens was born with aren’t you? Ol Switch Hit Mitt was born into the 1 percenter club. I guess by testament to his competence you ment he didn’t squander the fortune dear ol dad left him huh?

  • pttx333

    up to Allred to throw out stuff like that. But if this is true, or could be construed to be such, Cain is in a LOT of trouble here. This may become a 10-ring circus before all is said and done. Whew … what a deal …

  • Scope

    n/t

  • tailfins1959

    I hope Perry is cloistered away like a monk getting his act together. He still has a shot. Perry is still worthy of cautious support.

  • Scope

    I guess apparently nothing short of rape would satisfy you. Then you would want to know if it was in all the way.

  • NeoKong

    All hail Neil the merciful.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    …and how long it was.

  • Scope

    to go on TV and to ask Cain to please come forward with the truth, and to let the nomination process proceed with the true information. As the first accusers attorney said, no one ever accused of sexual harassment ever comes forward and says “yes I did it.” Other than his not me statement, I expect he thinks he will still be able to continue his “End of story” whining.

  • bonnman

    currently in the race needs to be reduced so we can start to see a real challenger to Romney emerge and yes I do not consider Romney a conservative.

    Let’s say it comes down to Romney and one other, Romney consistently gets about 25% of the vote which leaves 75% for the other candidate but obviously he is going to peel away some from the other dropouts. Even if Romney takes 30% of the remaining 75% that’s only 22.5% meaning Romney gets 47.5% total. My concern is everyone stays in the race for the long haul and splits the vote and we end up with Romney.

  • texasroots

    We now have a very pretty face, Sharon Bialek. I believe her.

  • texas214

    If he can’t then he needs to be dealt with by the voters. It all sounds suspicious to me, but Cain’s non-denial denials are also getting old. Blaming the press, blaming Perry’s campaign, and blaming the non-disclosure are over, if he doesn’t address this head on with clarity and understanding it will be a continual drip, drip, drip……..

  • kowalski

    And my buddy Chuck Norris decided he had a sudden hair appointment rather than fight that battle with me. ;)

  • Scope

    “Just as the country finally begins to refocus on our crippling $15 trillion national debt and the unacceptably high unemployment rate, now activist celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred is bringing forth more false accusations against the character of Republican front-runner Herman Cain.

    All allegations of harassment against Mr. Cain are completely false. Mr. Cain has never harassed anyone. Fortunately the American people will not allow Mr. Cain’s bold “9-9-9 Plan”, clear foreign policy vision and plans for energy independence to be overshadowed by these bogus attacks.”

    Catch the “clear foreign policy vision” section !

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    William the Bastard.

    He showed them.

  • kamiller42

    Right now, links between the “registered republican” and Perry are being researched.

    My problem with Cain and the allegations initially were not so much the allegations (There were no details.), but the very poor handling of it. Isn’t good crisis management an important skill when you are president? Blaming Perry with NO real evidence was disgusting. Correlation does not mean causation Mr. Cain.

    Also, it’s in poor taste to be pushing your 999 plan in a response to allegations of your 69 plan.

  • texasroots

    No cajones Cain. Next, they will say she wanted it, she asked for it. That’s why so many women never come forward.

  • NeoKong

    I was right in the middle of some damn fine groveling and your blowing it for me.

  • septembergurl

    accusers stayed quiet and did not give interviews until today is that they are all, like Sharon Bialek, white?(or at least not african-American?)

    I figured this out last week, when there were no photos of the women, although two of them work in the DC area and the NY Slimes had staked out one their homes. And then quietly unstaked. No perp walk video, no high school yearbook photos, no pictures of them although they are midlevel professionals working in pr. After Friday they were free to speak after the NRA lifted the confientiality.

    Nothing. The media suddnely backed off and got all respectful of the women’s privacy. Right. It’s entirely possible that when Politico started researching the story they figured an Anita Hill situation. As they got deeper they found out the accusers are all white. Uh-Oh. Not sure we want to pursue this! But it’s too late to stop so they simply stop investigating and reporting.

    I don’t care one way or the other who Herb chooses to harass. I do care that women who have been wronged by Herb are then wronged by the conservative media and blogs when they decide to refrain from going public.

    How’s that suit against Politico going?

  • jackdaniels11

    That is good.

    I was impressed the first time someone called me “thin-skinned”.

    I remember thinking: “If I argue with him, am I just proving his point?”

  • Scope

    us Perrybots are not quitters.

  • avagreen

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/the-daily-need/in-review-herman-cains-seven-biggest-foreign-policy-blunders/12201/
    1. Cain worries that China is developing nuclear weapons ? 40 years after China?s first nuclear test
    2. Cain says he would negotiate with terrorists (then immediately takes it back)
    3. Cain says a missile defense system would have stopped Iranian assassination plot
    4. Cain questions the existence of the Palestinian people
    5. Cain doesn?t know what the Palestinian ?right of return? is
    6. Cain doesn?t know that the government targeted a U.S. citizen for assassination (then flip flops on whether it?s okay)
    7. Cain doesn?t care who the president of Uzbekistan is

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/herman_cains_foreign_policy_muddle.html

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/cain-shows-inconsistencies-in-foreign-policy-understanding/

    http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2011/11/cains-foreign-policy-flubs.php

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/11/02/scarborough-sarah-palin-could-beat-herman-cain-foreign-policy-contest

  • Scope

    Perry as the nomination winner on Intrade.

  • tngal

    I go to the other sites and in the last 15 mintues have been to about 6 of them. The hot airs, and politicos, etc. I get away from the ususal posters here and read what others are posting elsewhere. I am seeing a lot still supporting Cain.

    I have found a few guys saying they’d “tap her”, quite a few claiming she’s not that attractive and number of men and women discounting the whole thing because, as I said. No sex. She said stop he took her home. He made a play and got rebuffed.

    And of course a lot are skeptical because of the Allred angle. She is not altruistic. She’s helping someone, or hopes to get numbers for her dismal tv show. Van Sustern she ain’t.

    Curious, why didn’t she jump out of the car and run? Why didn’t she slap the thin dribblin snot out of him? Why are all vicitms coming to light from the 90′s. How come we’re not seeing any from say 2006. And while I am not saying the story is completely untrue..I ask myself. why did she go to the office in his car. She said she lost her job. Needed some career advice. She could have just asked for an address to the office bldg and took a cab.

    Right now herman Cain’s biggest problem might be Mrs. Cain. I’ll let them sort it out.

    And if everyone is so intent on peeking in people’s closets from ten-15 years ago, here’s a tip..stay out of mine. Skeletons and dirty laundry are probably the nicest things you’ll find. The rest would scare the sh*t out of you.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Markets like those only have meaningful prices when they’re liquid enough to keep the price shifting to equilibrium.

    Intrade doesn’t really matter.

  • jrmax13

    Hot off the press- at least one politician is willing to go to bat for Perry’s record on immigration – Former President Bill Clinton. So, tailfins speaks truth to power when writing “…Perry is still worth of cautious support.” Yes, cautious support — like from a Clinton. Who will endorse Perry’s immigration stance ? Ann Lewis, more than likely. LOL !

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57319872-503544/bill-clinton-backs-rick-perry-on-immigration/

  • bjames

    If Romney wins Iowa, the race is over and that 25% glass ceiling will suddenly go a lot higher. If Cain wins, he could consolidate part of Newt’s supporters and make a race of it. With his baggage, I’m not sure Newt could ever pull off Iowa, unless all these Cain allegations won’t go away and Cain deserters mostly settle with Newt.

    Speaking of which, if Cain is innocent and wants to put these allegations to rest for good, I think he or she should submit to a polygraph. If he is lying, he needs to quit the race STAT.

    I?m not in love with any of these candidates. If not for his baggage, I would probably go with Newt. I?m not particularly sure 2012 is going to be a year that voters are going to be overly concerned with Newt?s 3 weddings and any affair(s), however, let?s not forget that Obama once got an opponent?s divorce files unsealed. He is desperate and will stop at nothing to hold onto power. Otherwise, I like the way Newt is calling out Obama for what he is ? an incompetent, radical president.

    On the other hand, Romney is from MA, so you know he?s been vetted. If the best attacks they can muster up are that he doesn?t have a ?core?, I think Team Obama is pretty much screwed.

    On the third hand, unless we get a Senate with 66 Jim DeMint?s and House full of Joe Walsh?s, I think you can tag the toe of the USA no matter who we elect this cycle. The die has been cast. The full system meltdown may not happen in our lifetimes, but happen it will. Just hope you or your children live in the middle of a cluster of red states so that the new, smaller union can write a new socialist-proof Constitution.

  • bjames

    NT

  • jackdaniels11

    can lead to all sorts of logical impossibilities, read the novel, “Catch-22″ by Joseph Heller.

    The rules said that you can get sent back to the U.S. if you are too insane to complete the required number of missions. Yet the doctors labeled everyone as “sane” if they complained to the doctor that they were insane. Wikipedia explains the wisdom of Catch-22 in its wiki here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22

    Here is the pertinent excerpt: “There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one’s safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn’t, but if he were sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn’t have to; but if he didn’t want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.” (p. 46, ch. 5)

    For an example of well-intentioned animals trying to create a democracy while trying to maintain the inapplicability of the elite to their own rules, read George Orwell’s “Animal Farm”, which is a fable explaining the seeds of doom planted in Russian Revolution (and to a degree, Mao Tse-Tung’s revolution) but I suppose its lessons could be applied to any organization that tries to protect the power of an elite group of “organizers” while capturing the energy of a large mass of individuals.

    I sympathize with you, though. I was once on a school committee that had instructions from the faculty that absolutely no hierarchy or patriarchical system could be used in the planning or execution of a week-long event. Try getting someone else to do something when everyone is considered an equal. It usually results in anarchy or in a hierarchy that just doesn’t call itself a hierarchy.

  • gekster

    You’ve lived in Texas all your life, right. yes or no.

    So you say you have a good prospective on Perry, right.
    Just what is the one single thing that turns Perry off to you.
    Legit questions. Just looking for information.

  • texasroots

    Is the Cain Camp “playing” us with all this farce. They act like this is all a joke. After keeping it alive in the media for a week, they want us to focus on his 9-9-9 tax plan Say what?

  • Scope

    and I believe many others will as well. Allred read a long list of her past work history, that she is a registered Republican, and has the two coroborating statements, signed under the penalty of perjury. Ms. Bialek seems very very credible. This will definitely hurt Cain big time.

  • avagreen

    Intrade is where people go when they want to put their money where their hunches are. According to Intrade, it has been a one-person race since the Perry train imploded.

  • izoneguy

    You all can ride the Cain train until it derails, I don’t care.

    My bigger beef with Cain is 999 or 909 or is 969 now?

  • ihavehadit

    from him. They seriously don’t care what he did or didn’t do. They will cut the nose off their faces to prove to the main stream media they can vote for Cain no matter what they say. It’s blind allegiance we have seen before in war and other endeavors. Superior officers leading their men into sure death. This is the mentality of the Cain supporters. And unfortunatley they are calling them selves conservatives. People the left love to refer to as Stupid, Stupid, Stupid; and these tea party supporters just prove that claim. I am so disappointed in them. Imagine if Cain were the nominee in 2012 and this story came out in Oct 2012. We would be done for and Obama would be assured of 4 more years.

  • Scope

    I had a thought when someone above said that Cain had to address this head on, but thought I better not go there.

  • jrmax13

    No, I am a non-native Texan. No, I do not have a good “prospective” on Perry. The number one reason (the meta-reason if you will) that turns me off to Perry is that he is unelectable in the general election and PerryPhiles are so strarstruck — they cannot see the forest due to the trees. On a more human level – I do not trust Perry. I think he is a phony, fake, fraud. See, geks, I answered. You wouldn’t even answer a single question from me last night. Your tactic is to use recipes to attempt to block other poster comments and viewpoints. I can see that your main conservative “plank” would be in the area of free speech, etc.

  • Scope

    and the Koch Bros will up the dollar ante with his PAC where the $ cannot be traced.

  • iidvbii

    Team Herman has introduced a new campaign slogan…..
    “No Cain, No Gain”

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    At a certain point, the numbers start to point to a pattern of behavior rather than multiple false accusations +/- “error in judgment”, and then the presumptions reverse.

    Plus, it makes it easier for more people to come forward.

    I’m not sure we’re there yet, but the tipping point is close, especially since the last accusation has no ambiguity about it, she’s clearly accusing Cain of a quid pro quod proffer of work in exchange for sex.

    Like dripping water – it you can’t turn off the spigot, the rock will crack.

    We’re coming to a key point – the story is getting tired in terms of the media cycle, but the charges increase in seriousness. Don’t know which will prevail.

  • gekster

    That worked so well with McCain.
    A winning strategy.

    If that is the issue, I don’t understand the trash talk on Perry, but do what you must.

  • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

    the MSM tend to think white women make better stories and more sympathetic victims (see “Holloway, Natalie” for an example).

  • iidvbii

    Actual tears…. Good one KAMILLER….

  • lucasblack

    Didn’t Rick Perry used to date Gloria Allred back in college?

  • texasroots

    Is this what they call quid pro quo? Substitution of job for services? Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, Levin, O’Reilly, Greta, etc., , why aren’t you screaming?

  • tailfins1959

    In about a generation, whites will be the minority. If you care about free markets or the GOP, you had better wake up to that reality. The South fails miserably in this regard and had better wake up. Romney and Perry are the best hope for a GOP that understands the need for diversity in the GOP or the conservative movement, respectively. Do you want to stop winning elections for generations?

  • Scope

    I was replying to Jackdaniels comment wayyyy up there about Intrade.

    Romney is somewhere around 70 on Intrade, but even though Cain’s number was increasing a little as his polling went up, he never surpassed Perry’s number, which has also been increasing a little since the Cain problems. Cain’s number has actually gone down from 7 and something percent to 5 and something percent.

    Not asking you to analyze those numbers, but the way they are moving seems in direct correlation to your analyses of the polls.

  • iidvbii

    can now honestly say he is leading in the “poles”….

  • gekster

    nt

  • redmymind

    to see just how far these die-hard Cain supporters would go to extend the proverbial fig leave to this guy. Frankly, I would find it quite frightening if these folks should only intensify their support of Cain in the absence of any exculpatory indicators–starting with some long-overdue transparency on his part.

  • onemovoter

    I’d rather though focus on his 999 plan and how little Cain knows of how it will work with a global economy.

    Here is a good read about 999 and the rest of Cain’s problems.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9476-herman-cain-qcainsianq-economics-examined

    Focusing on policy will help other candidates bring out their plans like Perry’s tax and energy/jobs plans.

  • iidvbii

    nt…..

  • jqcjones

    This article is from CNN.com back in October of 2010… OLD HAT, people.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/05/celebrity.lawyer.allred/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    They are reliving this as if it’s never been brought to the public’s attention. and everyone is falling for it hook, line, and sinker… sad. So very sad.

  • acat

    Perry’s a Texan. I just don’t see him hooking up with a northeastern establishment type like Allred. Now, Mitt …

    Mew

  • Scope

    on Intrade. I just checked he is now down to 3.1%. Perry is down from 12% to 10.1%. Gingrich is up to 8.1%.

  • Scope

    They are just about to read the Dr. Murray verdict which is taking some attention away from the Cain accuser’s presser.

  • tailfins1959

    They have likely seen enough of sexual harassment being used as a hammer. There are many reasons Cain shouldn’t be the nominee. This shouldn’t be the one that dominates. It reinforces the template. Maybe the left can get mileage with this templates in about a dozen or so Senate seats next year.

  • Scope

    at a Piano recital when he was 8 years old. He has never had eyes for anyone else since. Stop trying to start rumors.

  • jqcjones

    Be proud of yourself… Conservative, are you? doubtful. Many of you people make me sick to my stomach.

  • clintonformccain

    Plus, it makes it easier for more people to come forward

    Oh, my gawd… do you thnk we’re gonna get a Waffle House waitress?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Looks to me like CNN rewrote that story and is passing it off as from 2010.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    This is important.

  • onemovoter

    The only problem with their answer is that it’s all based on a “general feeling” about a candidate. I think you were too kind to jrmax with your response.

    I get that kind of response from a lot of liberals when trying to get them to dialog on a factual basis. I know I have ticked them off when they resort to name calling and projections of behaviors I know they do themselves.

    I hope someday jrmax will grow up to be a mature sensible conservative who will take the time to actually research like we do.

  • Scope

    at a comment left by his biggest supporter on this site, tngal. She excuses the accuser who spoke today as just another 90′s thing. Move along now, there was still no sex there.

    Yes, when you are that married to a candidate, it is almost against their religion to get a divorce from him.

  • blooch

    Took her to the family hunting preserve one night Even after the recent controversy, she steadfastly maintains that the rock said “Naggerhead” when she saw it.

  • westcoastpatriette

    I worked in mental health for many years and denial is a real thing.

    I so much wanted to give Cain the benefit of the doubt, but with each new allegation, Cain’s style of defending himself–as well as the cast of supporting characters who stubbornly defend him–are falling into classic patterns of behavior associated with someone in deep denial.

    One of the reasons we see this pattern over and over whereby men in powerful positions test the limits of their invincibility is because a person who wants to continue in denial must surround themselves with enablers who help them believe their lies about themselves. Everyone who plays the game does so because there is so much to lose if they don’t play the game. (Including Cain’s wife).

  • gekster

    he would have known.
    That’s the problem with some people.
    They have the meens to find out at thier fingertips anything about Perry,
    or anyother candidate, but never do.

  • texasroots

    You’re right, we should be focusing on policy, tax plans, energy, etc. Thanks for the good read.

  • iidvbii

    I don’t support Cain for a lot of reasons. His experience level, tax plan and amateurish (is that a word???) approach to American leadership and our role in the world. Basically I reject Cain on the merits. I do however believe these allegations cut directly to a serious question of character, how a person treats his wife and family is a great indicator of a persons values. How seriously a person takes their marriage can also be an indicator as to how seriously they take other oaths, such as those to uphold and defend the constitution. I don’t know that Cain did or didn’t do anything wrong, I do think the question is fair in light of the circumstances.

  • tngal

    chicago. who knew?

  • westcoastpatriette

    It is just getting harder to believe that Cain is completely innocent.

  • bzip

    Cain’s disaster is only starting.

    Does anyone think for a minute that Cain (whether he is innocent or not) is electable in the general at this point? Take a few minutes and think about it and ask yourself deep down.

    Do you honestly think Cain will gain independents?

    People are going to get sick of hearing about Cain and his sex scandals when they really want to focus on the issues and the candidates.

    For better or for worse, it comes down to his-word-her-word and in the end it doesn’t matter as he isn’t electable.

    It make take awhile but I do have hope in most fellow citizens that they will see the light and realize Cain isn’t Presidential material, period.

    Anybody in their right mind after hearing about all the sex scandals, all of Cain’s gaffes, his abortion flap, his GITMO flap, his China Flap, would be as nutty as Cain to support Cain.

  • texasroots

    Happy wedding anniversary, Mr. and Mrs. Perry.

  • jqcjones

    Thanks for pointing that out to me.

  • kowalski

    The TEAM from Chicago has set up the playing field. Cain will fight the “drip….drip” for the next year. If this one doesn’t do it, they’ll trot out another one. He’s done. Stick a fork in him.

    Republicans are dealing with the smartest people in Applied Political Science the world has ever seen, and yes, they’re smarter than you. They’re better politicians than you. And they’re more ruthless than you. I learned that when I lived there. Today proves it conclusively.

    Cain’s campaign is going to be from this moment forward a hopeless attempt to combat a never-ending cavalcade of new allegations against him that will last until after he takes office, even if he should survive the Primary.

    I don’t think they have anything they can use to counter this, and it doesn’t matter whether the whole thing is a complete fabrication. They’ll settle it for several million dollars a few years from now out of court. The fact is that they’ve won this round. Cain is finished. The “air went out of Cain’s” balloon with a huge pop this afternoon.

    Nobody has ever successfully fought these kinds of streams of allegations. It’s a Jack Ryan all over again and what’s worse is that it doesn’t even *matter* this time whether the allegations are true.

    The Chicago Way is King. People wonder why I’m afraid of those people. Now they know.

  • clintonformccain

    Sixty Nine Nine Nine plan.

  • center77

    is why have so many conservative forgot what matters. Cain is in no way ready to be president of the most powerful nation on the planet. If we knew all we knew about Vain, but he was gonna be the leader of North Korea, the entire world body would be on edge, because everybody would be like this guy has no experience, is very temperate, and does not have a firm grasp on what his rivals are doing, can there really be that many people who after watching the disaster called Obama really believe Cain is the right choice. In what has he done that makes people feel he is qualified, I cannot think of one thing. we would like our leaders to have experience, know where they stand, and have a record of fighting for what they beloved it. Cain has not done a good job at any of these. To even consider Vain over Perry is just so 2008, I thought as conservative we would not fall for the American idol stuff, there was a reason when he was thinking about running the crowed was chanting, run, Rick, run. I’m just confused on what people are thinking, yes we hate the left, yes we protect or own, but we still should demand better than the left does from theirs, and right now were not doing that.

  • kowalski

    In any high office or close to any high office (and the law school I used to work for graduated both The Former Mayor of Chicago and the CEO of McDonald’s Corp.) you know that the reason everyone there seems so heavy is that everyone is always looking over their shoulder.

    The city is 10,000 times heavier than anyplace else. It needs broad shoulders because it’s so crushingly heavy. That weight has come down on Herman Cain today and he is not going to be able to support it. His campaign is finished. Continuing to fight the war will only lead to a more humiliating and even more destructive final humiliation. That’s how Chicago works.

    This woman from Chicago as a blonde, white, “registered Republican” is the most brilliant single piece of work that I’ve ever seen by a political campaign. I’m awed and scared all over again, and I know what it means. Cain needs to pack up the bags and get off the Republican ticket. He’s done. I’ve seen it before and there’s no beating this.

  • texasroots

    Cain is now a celebrity with a capital C.

  • iidvbii

    Though I doubt anyone would category Cain as lucky. In fact I suspect the rest of the candidates view Herman as a measure of their own personal fortune. In the sense that no matter how bad it is you could be Cain.

  • jrmax13

    Center77 wrote: ” I thought as conservative we would not fall for the American idol stuff, there was a reason when he was thinking about running the crowed was chanting, run, Rick, run. I?m just confused on what people are thinking…”

    Center, what crowds? Does anyone remember the audience boos when Perry espoused his STANCE on immigration issues ? Just look who agrees with Perry now — Bill Clinton (you know, that famous conservative).

  • writescribe

    I’m no fan of Gloria Allred, but as one-line zingers go this one was pretty funny.

  • bzip

    Sharon Bialek plans morning TV interviews
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67777.html

    ….”Herman Cain accuser Sharon Bialek plans “as of now” to appear on two morning television shows Tuesday, her lawyer, Gloria Allred, said.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67777.html#ixzz1d3ef9qk2

    Also;

    Vander Plaats sees ‘tipping point’ for Cain
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67783.html

    …”Bob Vander Plaats, president of the Family Leader, a conservative organization that promotes Christian values, said in a telephone interview that Cain needs to address these allegations head-on, or a ?cloud of doubt will envelop his candidacy.?

  • kowalski

    The Chicagoans are going to do what the Wehrmacht did to Stalingrad with them.

    We have to start thinking a lot more seriously about how the Allies are going to win this war and be a lot smarter about it because they’re firing the siege guns with impunity right now and we have NOTHING to counter them.

    I feel terribly for the Cain campaign but this is a fight I don’t think they can win.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxykqgRodTc&feature=related

  • Scope

    have gotten no ait time since the Cain allegations have broken a week ago. As has been said, he has sucked all the oxygen out of the air. Hopefully after today, we can get back to focusing on the other candidates, and talking about their plans, not just Cain 24/7.

  • iidvbii

    Still the front man for the anyone but Perry squad I see….. Gotta hand it to you brother you are persistent and determined….

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    Lighten up, guys.

  • westcoastpatriette

    that amazes me is that someone like Cain–with these kinds of skeletons–would think they could run for a powerful office such as the presidency without the skeletons destroying them.

    And like you, I wish Cain would pack it up sooner rather than later–for everyone’s sake.

  • radicalrighty

    I will keep them to myself as I would like to hang around . . .

  • iidvbii

    nt….

  • center77

    I was talking about well before he announced his run, what people often forget is he came in much later than others. Perrys immigration views have been distorted, the instate issue was a choice from two bad options. But, like Romney can really talk, he gave them health care. Cain is a former lobbyist with deep ties to the establishment as well as being completely out of his league. Perry is the only person who really can say he has done what he says, he does not change cause people like you want him too. I am perplexed why more people have not done their research, which makes me wonder were so many just talking when they went after Obama’s record, we need a solid record to face him, Texas can say they have done it right.

  • iidvbii

    He is mortally allergic to facts and shas been known to stuff his fingers in his ears and hum loudly whenever someone tries to educate him. But he is pretty harmless and a nice enough guy once you get past the aluminum hat.

  • kowalski

    When these allegations came out about Cain the first feeling I had was almost indescribable. It felt like all the blood in my body had chilled into slush and drained into my abdomen. Then it was like watching oneself halfway sedated and tied down while some evil person inserts an explosive device into your aorta after passing it through your urethra and then into an artery in your leg and finally up to your heart, winding its way there painfully every step of the way. Every fiber of my being has been praying that all these things would be conclusively smacked down for the past week, that some good Doctor would finally enter the room and save the patient, while I was watching this whole thing unfold on a cellphone.

    I can’t put into words how I feel. I’m beyond angry and beyond astonished. I can’t even think about it. But I’m not surprised. The amazing thing is that I’m not surprised.

    I’ve known for a year now that this was going to be the most brutal and horrific Presidental race we’ve ever witnessed. It’s turning out to be even more of a horror show that I could have forecast.

  • nativetexan41

    I don’t know. He has not handled HIS MESS like a former CEO. He gave us a glimplse of how he would handle problems and it was not good, we already have a accuser-in-chief sitting in the WH. In his opinion everyone was at fault but himself…media, the women, Anderson and Perry. Does Romney gain in Iowa if Cain falters?? Just asking!
    I am and have been a Perry supporter, he has a good record as Governor. I will work to help him get the nomination, he is a conservative.
    We are the family value party and we should not forget that.

  • kowalski

    We’re in real danger. I don’t know whether we’ll make it to the next election.

  • gekster

    Prime example of how inane some people are.
    How would some know of of them, if they didn’t see they actually exist.

  • texasroots

    with Gloria Allred, they could be encouraging women out there with same allegations, to not be afraid, to come forward. Oh, boy not even Michael Jackson’s verdict will tamper this story. Drip, drip, drip. When I heard Sharon is from Chicago, I thought wait a minute–the DNC, Dave Axelrod, are in Chicago Could it be a coincidence?

  • goformitt

    Now I can see why he was so desperate to not talk about it! After reading the description of his actions that emerged this afternoon it is clear that the accusers are 1.) Getting bolder, 2.) Will corroborate each other, 3.) Produce an undeniable reality that people will trust and 4.) Send Herman packing.

    He’ll be gone within a week.

    Will Perry be the beneficiary? Or Newt? Or Obama?

  • bzip

    Cain faces new claim of sexual misconduct
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/07/politics/cain-allegations/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    “In response to the new allegation Monday, the attorney, Joel Bennett, said he believes it corroborates his client’s story and called it “similar conduct by the same person.” He refused to provide further details.”

    Could someone please remind me why as a conservative we should be supporting Cain?

    After all Cain does have some problems: Race Card, Blame Game, GITMO flap, China Flap, Abortion Flap, Caught Lying, Gun Control Flap, No elected experience, no record, Supports TARP, wants to starts a new tax, the national sales tax, Sex Flip-flopping, what is next…..

    Could someone please remind me why we Cain is even running much less has supporters?

  • acat

    It’s ironic that Hillary Clinton, who has Chicago roots, would charge the right with “politics of personal destruction” when it’s the left who are its’ past masters.

    Sun Tzu applies. There’s no way to win when fighting on the enemy’s chosen ground…

    Mew

  • bzip

    Very true. At the least it ensures the story continues non-stop 7/24 for Cain. Cain’s campaign message is history, now Cain’s message is Sex and more sex.

    In the mean time, people are losing their jobs, the country is going down hill BUT all we get is Cain and his Sex.

    Sooner or later there will growing calls for him to get out. He has already embarrassed the GOP hopefully he will take his country seriously and step down sooner than later.

    You thought Cain was testy with reports last week boy it is just getting started :-) .

  • sunshinek67

    Those in this room calling Perry dumb, when was the last time YOU flew a C-130 Hercules transport airplane worldwide. Dummies don’t pass flight instruction and retire as AirForce captain, just saying…

  • bzip

    Cain has always been the weakest candidate due to his lack of any elected experience plus all his gaffes. Now this sex scandal makes it even worse.

    Cain is the weakest and will always be the weakest but for those interested in the GOP idol contest than perhaps Cain is the strongest.

  • goformitt

    Are you saying the campaigns are being brutal or the sexual assaults allegedly committed by one of the candidates was brutal?

    Seems like most of the damage – Cain’s sexual assaults and Parry’s public intox – were self inflicted.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    …with raising that bogus charge against Perry. Now if you had said Perry’s debate performance, you would have had an arguable point, but by going the stiletto route, you’ve destroyed credibility.

    Just how far will you go for Mitt?

  • Vaughn Harold

    will continue to do it against any Rep. that is a threat.

  • Adjoran

    If he delivers the cuts required, it’s going to mean significant reduction of the federal workforce and a drastic restructuring of Medicare and Medicaid (not to mention genuine common sense health care reforms for everyone after repealing ObamaCare). There will be pain.

    It is highly unlikely that the pit we are in can be surmounted in four years. It was deep enough when Bush failed to block Pelosi and Reid’s spending; Obama has made it so deep we’ll be lucky to ever get out, and only after great effort and sacrifice. There’s not going to be much in the way of real recovery except for pent-up demand, but even that isn’t inexhaustible when unemployment remains high.

    If the next President fails to take these necessary but probably very unpopular actions, the situation will continue to deteriorate and get worse.

    Either way, look for Hillary or Bayh in 2016. We may be able to hold the Congress and, if the Republican Prez has done well, divided government won’t be too bad for four years.

  • gekster

    Got to keep him around to show there is more than one.

  • center77

    I’m not sure what to think about what this fourth accuser, but we cannot run him, like it or not Cain is getting more toxic by the second.

  • sunshinek67

    —

  • avagreen

    **how I love talking to myself**

  • iidvbii

    by pretending Cain is somehow above answering questions anyGOP candidate would be required to answer.

  • goformitt

    At least no one can accuse Herman Cain of not having a jobs plan :-0

  • texasroots

    DNC found out Sharon lives in Chicago. In comes Gloria Allred.

  • Mensch

    ROFL. Y’all make me laugh (in a good way — not mocking here).

  • profnickd67

    grabbed Bialek and forced her down on him, that is a sexual assault. It isn’t “no sex.” i.e., nothing.

    It’s one thing to make a suggestive comment or even more than one — but, if Bialek is to be believed, he put his hands on her.

    Different can of worms altogether.

  • Vaughn Harold

    n/t

  • lineholder

    long enough to let the American people choose another candidate of their own accord, so that a transfer of allegiance can occur. A lot of the enthusiasm and intensity on the right has been riding behind Cain. Valid or not, that’s how it has been. If he just drops out, we stand to lose that intensity…which we can count on it as sure as we’re breathing that the left knows full well.

    What better way to disable us than to go after the candidate with the greatest source of enthusiasm, heh?

  • onemovoter

    *(blank look)* Newt, you go first….. from the Newt/Cain debate.

    I was watching the twitter feed during that debate and several noticed that the applause for Cain was tepid in response to what Newt was getting. They also noted this was actually a very supportive Cain crowd to boot.

    A few other comments jumped out at me in reference to Cain. They said that this debate format shows that once he has to actually get past the 30 second statements and actually discuss details, he falls very flat, and people get to see a lack of depth of knowledge. Of course it was interesting to keep hearing from both Cain and Newt, terms and ideas already espoused by Perry for quite some time.

    I watched Hannity’s interview of Perry, and towards the end Perry made a very astute observation. He said that Obama may have intelligent people around him, but they aren’t very wise. As a leader you have to have knowledge and wisdom to pick the right people to do the things that need to be done correctly. Otherwise you get what we have now in the White House.

  • bzip

    I don’t know if there is but the fact remains there were settlements and Cain has acknowledged those settlements.

  • sunshinek67

    Perry has millions & a message

  • Vaughn Harold

    n/t/

  • kowalski

    It’s just a mastery of the task. It’s a highly developed art form at this point.

    My Dad is an old-school guy who thinks that people still have thick skins and I’ve had to warn him on so many occasions that he has to be extremely, extremely careful of what he says and what he jokes about with people, particularly women.

    He’s got an abundant and effusive sense of humor and he makes jokes and off the cuff comments that could *easily* have resulted in a sexual harassment lawsuit in the past ten years. He’s hated me for having to criticize his sense of humor. He has never meant any harm to anyone.

    But *nobody* who arrived after approximately 1990 has a sense of humor in anything, most particularly in terms of sex. I’ve had to warn him at least a half a dozen times, and compared to the things Cain is alleged to have done, his stuff is TAME.

    And Cain is a Conservative Republican and he’s BLACK on top of that. So it basically doesn’t even matter what he meant when he said whatever he said. He’s finished. There’s no countering this. It’s his word against her word and for the rest of time immemorial it will be that and his campaign is finished, and if it isn’t finished there will be nothing but a stream of stories.

    Now that the story has broken there is no way to prove the negative.

    But this can only be done ONCE. This gun can only be fired a single time. This time it got Cain.

  • bzip

    When it comes down to a format that requires substance Cain fails. Cain was pathetic in the forum with Newt.

  • Vaughn Harold

    n.t.

  • gekster

    Sometimes you have to go up more than one blue line.
    Now lets see if you can figure it out.
    If you know it’s not Civil, then you are halfway there.
    Did you think I ment you.

  • kowalski

    As the male secretary for a female law school Dean, I came back to help my Dad with his business and I had to SCHOOL him:

    “Do not EVER send jokes in email that can even be remotely construed as sexually suggestive. And keep your jokes to yourself when you meet with people in person. You are living in a world circa 1965 when people weren’t at each other’s throats about everything and had a sense of humor. You have absolutely no idea what you’re getting yourself into particularly if the recipient is a woman you work with. You will die, die, die with your head on a pike one day and people will dance around you for Sexual Social Justice.”

    Herman Cain isn’t a lawyer, he’s a businessman – a very successful businessman – and I have every reason to believe he’s a guy a lot like my father, who probably made a couple of jokes in the past 20 years that some people found offensive. Now that he’s running for President he is learning just how interesting the real world of law in the United States is. It’s a minefield of people with no sense of humor at all.

    He’s being killed right in front of us all. And the worst thing is that there isn’t anything we can do about it right now.

  • gekster

    He’s been getting his message out.
    People who pay attention to more than sound bites have put him up to 14% and rising.
    You didn’t read Neils article, did you. It’s on the front page.

  • kowalski

    .

  • westcoastpatriette

    because I watched the conniving, manipulative Allred do the same thing to Whitman out here–and while the subject matter differed, it had that icy, heartless element to it as the housekeeper that turned on the Whitman’s (with Allred’s carefully plotted and timed orchestration) had worked for them for many years and I believe the Whitman’s truly cared about her.

    The times we are living in are what the bible refers to as “hard to bare.” Treachery everywhere.

  • Vaughn Harold

    Perry’s double digits, down 3, is one poll and can’t be considered until some more data is out to refut the single digits that he’s been at for over a month.

  • westcoastpatriette

    ..

  • kowalski

    But you can believe me that Obama didn’t forget what made Larry Summers have to step down from his post at Harvard.

    Except that it wasn’t going to be a Democrat that had to fall this time. The difference is that Obama and Axelrod are a hell of a lot more calibrated and careful than that.

    Someone was going to get hit with the Sex Harassment Siege Gun Shell in this campaign and it wasn’t going to be a Donk. Herman Cain has taken the round and he’s been basically blown all over the place.

  • gekster

    And if you read it as you say, you were either misleading, or lying.
    You can pick, but one of your statements is false.
    Either the single digets, or the reading.

  • chamblee54

    I came here for the latest news on Mr. Cain, and was greeted by this spectacle. This was highly entertaining.
    chamblee54

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    “hard to bare”…it’s been that way ever since the Garden. :)

    Definitely trust between people is at a very low level, making it easy to misinterpret actions even before you add in the treachery element.

  • sunshinek67

    Unprecedented. Also, polls are a snapshot, trendy yes, but reliable indicators? Not always.

    Cited from Public Policy Polling (report)

    February 18?20, 2009 31% (Perry) 56%(Kay Bailey Hutchison

    Those numbers flipped a year later. Perry stayed focused and on message. KBH received endorsements from the establishment, George HW Bush, Sec of State James Baker, and others like Nolan Ryan. Didn’t matter.

    As a matter of fact, here are the results 2010:

    Party Candidate Votes Percentage
    Republican Rick Perry 758,222 51.1%
    Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison 450,196 30.3%
    Republican Debra Medina 275,693 18.6%

    Debra Medina was considered an activist Tea Party candidate.

  • kowalski

    Is that if you put all these people in a room together and gave them 12 hours to work it out, and forced them to work it out, and say sorry to each other, etc., none of this would have ever made a headline.

    We’re wasting not just our time destroying people’s lives and careers we’re wasting the whole country’s. It’s political class high drama. For those of us not living in the political class, most of us would just as soon they dropped it.

    But that cannot happen. It’s a rite of passage into the political class that everyone has to meet a standard of deception that only John Edwards truly understands. They’re not human beings anymore – they’re political pinatas, and the game is about who is going to get hit next. They don’t give a rat’s ass about the rest of us.

  • sunshinek67

    Another thing, folks like Perry in person at meet & greets. Research/Google Mitt Romney and words like “fake” “stiff” “emotionless” “plastic” “arrogant”, etc etc etc

    Leaves folks scratching their head in Iowa after they meet him. Google that too, and you can readily download these news articles for yourself. Have fun~

  • westcoastpatriette

    …

  • kowalski

    Who is going to lead the Key Club? Who is going to be the Valedictorian? Who is going to be Most Likely To Succeed?

    It’s the same story in high politics that it is in all of the high schools in this country except these are the people who make the laws and control our nuclear weapons and *decide our lives*. There’s nothing more important about it than that, it’s the same exact phenomenon. It’s all about who is going to be allowed to be a member of the Club.

    The smaller the Club gets, the more arcane the rules become. Legal academia is a very small club and the rules are so arcane almost nobody can understand them. But once you’re in the Club, you practically have to kill someone to get kicked out. Herman Cain is not being allowed into the Club. The New Yorker is going to explain his erstwhile campaign in a piece of more than 15,000 words and it will make perfect sense in retrospect. He just wasn’t their kind of Black man.

  • jakeofalltrades

    He believes in only attacking that which cannot be defended (e.g. sexual harassment) and defending only that which cannot be attacked (e.g., sexual harassment victims).

    Whoever is behind this (if anyone) has studied.

  • septembergurl

    1. White women in peril – yes, they get more & more sympathetic coverage.
    White women accusing black man of sexual assault — not so much.

    2. Why do you think we had no pictures or video of the two women who got settlements? The media knows who they are. We had pictures of Gary Hart’s bimbo in days — and that was before the internets. We had a picture of Mark Sandford’s squeeze in 24 hours, and she was in Chile or Argentina. My point — you get the visual very quickly usually. Jon Martin was asked Sunday why there were no specific details and he answered “These are sensitive sources.” Why?

    3. What’s going to happen: Bennett (lawyer for the first woman,the one Herb cops to) says that the story from Sharon Bialek is very similar to the one his client has told. She will go public soon, as ill the other women. They will all be white. Their stories will be similar.

    4. You would like it to be a media assault on Herb. It’s not. In days to come we will find out how & why the media decided to bury the story.

  • goformitt

    How much we’re going to have to hear about Herman Cain’s “job plan” tonight on Letterman, Leno, etc, etc, etc?

    I can see the posters too: “Herman Cain has a JOB plan for YOU!”
    You can whatever graphic to that you care to :-)

  • aesthete

    as direct and base as that in the context of a professional relationship, at best, shows an unacceptable level of unawareness of the power dynamics and social acceptability of one’s actions. I can’t think of any context in which an unprompted and unsolicited groping would be considered acceptable. If the allegations are true, then they are disqualifying, IMO.

  • aesthete

    it’ll probably be 911.

  • lucasblack

    Sorry, I thought it was crystal clear that I was joking.

  • lucasblack

    Glad somebody got it! :)

  • serpounce

    I’ll admit at this point I’m hoping that it turns out he did something pretty bad and he dies quickly.

    If he’s 100% innocent this is going to be a terrible and painful process as the maggots eat the poor guy alive. He’ll never get them off now.

  • jakeofalltrades

    She’s never claimed to be anything else. I don’t know why we all aren’t fans – we’d each be lucky to be represented by her.

  • jakeofalltrades

    n/t

  • ceili_dancer

    Go to my website, it’s all explained there?

  • bzip

    For better or worse, Cain is going to be the center of attention and not in a good way. Expect Cain scandal talk 7/24.

    Is is for that reason he either needs to clean this up quickly (I don’t see how) or he needs to drop out for the best interest of the GOP.

    We need need to be focusing on the issues, the policies how to get our country going again and that isn’t going to be easy with Cain’s scandal talk 7/24/

  • jakeofalltrades

    that he might create a black-hole and suck a few other candidates into the void with him. Here’s hoping Mittens goes first.

  • macbookben

  • jakeofalltrades

    Dumb is massive and has a lot of inertia.

  • llorta

    nt

  • jakeofalltrades

    sans codus

  • septembergurl

    lame,lacking staff, etc. Cain cannot have thought he would go the distance.

    Recall that he ran for President in 2000, but dropped out early. It was said to be lack of funding, but now I wonder — perhaps someone warned him against running, given the sex charges against him just a few years earlier. Herb then regrouped, built a new career as a motivational speaker , talk show screamer and opinion writer. He enjoyed success (tho losing the Senate) and was encouraged to run for President.

    But what happened at the NRA?

    Obviously, after a lifetime of hard and dedicated work in government and the private sector, when Herb was appointed CEO of the NRA he experienced some kind of midlife crisis. Now, the NRA is a professional trade association, such as proliferate in DC — professional trade groups that lobby for their industry.

    (Yes, Iowa voters, in your genius, you have picked a lobbyist as your
    “Outside Washington outsider guy”)

    Oftentimes, these lobbyists use alcohol, attractive people, expensive restaurants, resorts , etc, to persuade members of Congress and others to vote for or support legislation that affects their industry. I can only imagine that is even more the case in the Restaurant Association lobby.

    So, Herb was in the middle of all this, he had a love nest, er, apartment that he was given by the association and to which he brought at least one woman who woke up later in his bed.

    After a few years the NRA canned Herb, then settled with the most troublesome women. Because of the race angle, Herb would probably have gotten away with it had he not sought higher office.

    Now, we have to deal with the fact that he has dealt a blow to our primary that may be fatal. That is, he might have re-elected Obama.

  • onemovoter

    I didn’t get to see it on Fox but it’s being put out on Twitter.

    Ace from AceofSpadesHQ is really coming down on Cain. Ace has been an equal opportunity basher when it comes to candidates, so I know with all of what’s coming out, it’s going to be real tough on Cain. This is now a full court press on Cain.

    Some say Newt might be the next to pick up those that are dropping from Cain. The news outlets will then savage Newt again just like with Cain. This is why people should do their research on the candidates and know who is the best candidate for them. As you can see, it’s just a pack mentality following the least hardest hit candidate that might have a chance and isn’t Romney. I hope that they will wise up and finally see that Perry is really the closest to a majority of voters for the GOP race.

  • bzip

    Na, Cain is a Romney stalking horse. Expect Cain to endorse Romney at some point.

  • Scope

    to once again blame Perry with no proof at all. We’ve known that Cain knows he’s going down from these accusations, but he’s going to try to do the most damage to Perry while he is on his way down. It’s been his job, and his role in this campaign all along.

  • retire05

    between Cain and Romney, at least in Cain’s mind. But alas, Romney will throw Herman Cain under that expensive bus if Christie indicates he is even interested in the VP job.

    Now, I don’t think that Cain is entirely to blame for thinking he would be picked as Romney VP. Not after Romney said this about Cain:

    “Vote for either one of us and you’ll be happy.” That message is beyond subliminal.

    But Cain will continue to bash Perry, not realizing that he is being played by the nation’s biggest player.

  • seth90212

    Women came out and actually accused Clinton of rape, yet he went on to win the presidency and you think this nonsense is going to destroy Cain? LMAO.

  • izoneguy

    Nt

  • carolina

    I wonder how long she has been a “registered Republican”?

  • jakeofalltrades

    weeks ago.

    Since when do Republicans demean ourselves by judging according to Demonrat standards?

  • jrmax13

    I am just unsure on if that line of thought is relevant today. Or relevant in this very fast moving story. This has to “play out ” first. I’m sure the brain trust on this site will have a more prescient answer for you.

  • tjms

    was listening to CNN discuss how the favorability poll was showing a big decline in support for Cain among younger voters being the highest of any group. I can say from talking to my college daughters and their friends it is true and they are angry with republicans for circling the wagons. I feel if t his isn’t handled well alot of the college youth will return to the democratic party. And we all know what that did in 2008.

  • seth90212

    pretty much killed this in favor of Cain. It’s a dead issue except to desperate Perrybots on Redstate.

  • ammy

    Cain has not been my first choice, but definitely my second. I have met him, heard him speak and been a fan, and a fellow Georgian. Cain is toast as far as I’m concerned. I resisted Politico’s hit job and watched as they put the full court press on him. I don’t care for faceless, nameless accusers – if you want to accuse then have the courage to do so face first. Although, I recognize these women did not come forward – Politico pushed this forward. That said, a person accused multiple times of sexual harassment is a relevant story and despite what the libs may say – personal character matters. Serial sexual harassment is not the kind of character I am looking for in our candidate. I also watched and supported Herman as his campaign bungled the response for days. But todays accuser and Cain’s response throughout have made up my mind. The woman seems credible and her account does as well. In addition and as importantly, is Cain’s response throughout. I have given them margin as his campaign has been inaccurate and lame in their response but it is Cain’s response and behavior that trouble. There is an arrogant – you can’t touch me – dimension to Cain’s response that I find very offputting. Confidence is one thing, but arrogance is different. It also indicates to me that Cain may well be guilty of being another wealthy man with a sense of entitlement and lack of morals who feels that the can do things his way. Well,
    for me I don’t care if he comes up with a 0 – 0 – 0 plan – that’s how much chance he has of getting my vote. I’m sorry to say – I liked Herman – then – not now.

  • jrmax13

    Can I also give you another word for most PerryPhiles ? BITTER. They are bitter, bitter, bitter. They cannot handle the notion that La Mesias is NOT the one this time around. Smells like bitter desperation around the “bank vault.”

  • iidvbii

    nt

  • seth90212

    Crickets.

  • seth90212

    The woman even filed a lawsuit against him.. More crickets.

  • seth90212

    tanked with no chance of revival. Why waste all this time and energy on a loser?

  • izoneguy

    imploded with no chance of revival. Why waste all this time and energy on a loser?

  • izoneguy

    Can I also give you another word for most CainPhiles ? CLUELESS. They are clueless, clueless, clueless. They cannot handle the notion that Candy Cain is NOT the one this time around. Smells like clueless desperation around the ?pizza pie.?

  • seth90212

    https://supporthermancain.com/iowafund/src/1103webAD16

  • izoneguy

    Cain will destroy himself. The man does not have a clue.
    He could have said he had sex with 999 women and I could have cared less.
    Cain wants to be judged by the color of his skin not the content of his character.

  • acat

    Two socks talking to each other.

    Will wonders never cease?

    Mew

  • gekster

    Not a fact.
    Lets have a primary first.
    They are still 2 months away, a life time in politics.
    I write no one out yet, not even Cain, like some have.
    I’ve been doing this since 68.
    I was the guy who voted for Nixon.
    (I seam to be the only one to admit that)
    Nothing will suprise me, and don’t write no one off, just yet.

  • izoneguy

    Much less offer him a token position.

  • izoneguy
  • jrmax13

    geks, what is “doing this” ? Do you mean professionally ? Nixon, huh ? Were you in charge of dirty tricks ?

  • gekster

    Who do you think put the plumber team together.
    Ya caught me, call Berstien.
    Oh wait, he’s dead.
    Never mind.

  • bzip

    ?This so-called story?: Cain unloads on media in new statement

    Another brilliant move by Cain. Just keep getting in the media’s face instead of cleaning it up.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/07/this-so-called-story-cain-unloads-on-media-in-new-statement/

  • bzip

    ?People are going to grow tired of this and want it and him to go away?

    http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=1730308F-D99E-4C96-A868-7599E82C76EE

    http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/11/07/people-are-going-to-grow-tired-of-this-and-want-it-and-him-to-go-away/

  • gekster

    (Not in a good way)

    And todays accuser says she has signed afadavits from two others.
    Cain should have jumped on it when he had the chance.

    This is like two really good ball teams going for the championship.
    You don’t want to beat the other team because thier star player breaks his leg.
    You want to beat them because you are better, not because you got an unforseen handicap.
    Wish it never would of happened. sigh.

  • aesthete

    Good God, you Perry supporters are intolerable in your zeal.

  • aesthete

    no text

  • Scope

    the part of the Cain response to the presser today with them saying that he is focusing on his “clear foreign policy positions.” Actually, there is no focus today, or all week that Cain has any other story about him other than his sexual assault oxygen sapping stupidity. Let it go for a day or two. Most will realize that there is no there there on policy, but there is a lot of there there on his personal pecadillos. I’d like to say that Cain will start a downward spiral after today’s presser, but one can never really measure in their mind the speed of sound.

  • redmymind

    It takes an open mind to come to that level of discernment that’s plenty evident in your insightful piece.

    I have a favorite candidate too, and my posts thus far have made no secret of who that person is (he wears cowboy boots and eats a lot of burgers whilst campaigning).

    That said, I should hope that a crisis like this would not prevent me from similarly setting aside ideology/preference in order to face hard questions about the candidate, had it been him.

    Like yourself, I am not comfortable with how Cain has handled the allegations thus far. This isn’t to say that I believe he is culpable. We simply don’t know yet, and may never know for sure.

    Your astute behavioral assessment, however, paints a textbook picture of one’s sense of empowerment reaching pathological proportions and in turn creating a self-contained, self-sustaining reality of its own.

    We see this in dysfunctional families whose only source of cohesion is sadly the perpetuation of a family myth or “secret,” even with the benefit of clear evidence to the contrary.

    We even see this in violent relationships wherein both the victim and the perpetrator help sustain an interpersonal dynamic (cycle) that feeds on itself by a combination of denial and an ever divergent power differential whose asymmetry is axiomatically accepted by both parties.

    It’s a creepy thing when paradigms become so large that they block out the last bit of light shed by reality.

    I myself advocate reality-based, conscious living . . . but, admittedly, fall short of that ideal more often that I would care to even speculate!

  • wacowboy

    nt

  • gekster

    With all the idiots running around the site, sometimes it’s hard to tell.

  • wacowboy

    if cain was going to lose, I’d rather he lose because people decided that he wasn’t qualified…that the 999 plan wouldn’t work, etc.

    don’t want him to go down like this.

  • Xasteius

    It won’t be so bad, but Cain’s doing damage to the conservative movement as well. The question is does Cain have enough character to limit the collateral damage by shedding light on this (if he is innocent) or ‘fessing up (if he is guilty).

  • Xasteius

    Better that the beast is exposed now than next year. It really good that we’ve had an extended GOP primary, IMO.

    Remember Alinsky’s Rule: Find a leader and neutralize it. The Tea Party does not have a leader, the GOP does not have a leader…yet.

    Time for inspirational music:

    Our motto should now be: “No Mercy”.

  • westcoastpatriette

    And ditto on your last paragraph. May the Lord help us all.

  • lucasblack

    Lots of Polish people in Chicago – I think more there than anywhere else in the US. The bad weather must remind them of home.

  • wacowboy

    to be true.

    the sooner he gets out, the sooner the American People can choose another candidate and transfer their allegiance. Much like Sarah Palin — many needed to know she was out before they could aggressively support another candidate. The sooner that happens, the more likely it is that that candidate defeats Romney. The longer it takes, the more likely that Romney is the nominee.

    personally, I feel that the longer Herman sticks around, the harder he makes this on all conservatives.

    to be clear, I don’t have an opinion about the allegations, other than that four separate cases is not good. my beef with Herman is that first of all his spokesman said a big nothing, then he denied, then his campaign director blamed the Perry campaign, then someone else. then there were other allegations. I know that he probably was bound by confidentiality agreements, so fine. why not take 3-4 days and issue a statement when all the ramifications have been researched. instead what might be a nothing burger of a story has turned into a monster. I would think that someone running for president would have a better plan in place

  • iidvbii

    that let a “false” accusation destroy both himself and seriously damage the standing of the party. Seth you don’t know Cain is innocent and frankly Cain isn’t helping himself. Lashing out at everyone while you scream at the wind isn’t making your case any stronger. Get a grip, do you really think dredging up Reagan and W is somehow going to make everyone stop considering the information comming out daily. Is this really supposed to make us join you in closing our eyes and chanting “Cain is the best, Cain is the best”. Your self worth shouldn’t be tied to a politician’s success and make no mistake Cain is a politician. Take break go for a jog clear your head, the sun will come up tomorrow even if Cain isn’t the nominee.

    Sorry ya’ll that d@mn cricket was driving me nuts….

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    there is a bit of room for levity, here, isn’t there?

  • davesinsanantonio

    the rest of them.

    The Founders would look at today’s political reality and shudder in disgust. They envisioned a country where a man’s peers judged him to be the best person for the job, any political job–local or national– and sort of “draft” him into it. He would “serve” one or two terms and then go home to his farm or business having sacrificed, usually reluctantly, to do his “duty”. The Founders would have viewed anyone actively “running for office” as proof of being unqualified for the job. How far we have fallen.

  • davesinsanantonio

    the traditional media refuse to do their job. Instead they are following their own political ambitions (creating and supporting that “sitter”). Obummer has his own sexual skeletons in his closet, and the media refuse to do due diligence. That, of course, is not to mention their failure to do due diligence on his campaign finances, his crony business dealings, his failed foreign policies, his attacks on real jobs and real job creators in America, his phony environmentalism, etc. etc.

    Thankfully there are new forms of media to get some of the information to the voters. Hopefully they will read and heed.

  • davesinsanantonio

    His name is Herman. The shortened version would be Herm, not Herb. Herb is short for Herbert, and Humphrey has been deceased for decades.

  • davesinsanantonio

    See, now you’ve got me doing it!!!

  • arthurmanger17

    In a few national polls reported today of republicans Cain is tied with Romney at 21% one Quinnipiac has Cain ahead nationally 30% Romney 21%. Now if we talk about Iowa the latest polls are even worst…for Romney, he’s behind Cain in several polls 30% Cain, 21% Romney, Gingrich 12% rounding out the top three. Their have been some calling polls “scientific”, would that be like the “science” behind global warming or ebonics. Because we know now, that not one of these “scientific” polls predicted the results of the 2010 midterm elections, weren’t even close.

  • msjallen

    the Demos were running scared to have another black man run against 0 so THEY have to try to eliminate Cain.
    I have read through most of the post here and can’t believe the pettiness among so called conservatives. No wonder the GOP has such a poor showing to the American public.

  • supergirl2911

    I got it

  • redmymind

    May the good Lord help us and keep us all! God bless America!!!

  • supergirl2911

    A new system. I don’t know how but I find it difficult to track the blue lines at times

  • supergirl2911

    Thanks for the laughs

  • spelunker

    Cain is inept! He knew these accustions were coming and he did nothing to defend himself. This affirmative action star thought he was ‘untouchable’ His entire camapaign is a disorganized jumble of cliches and boring slogans.

  • spelunker

    When the current republican candidates are all assembled, N.Gingrich is the smartest one in the room and he has more expereience than all of them combined. His martial problems bare little relationship to the dire economic and political straights we find ourselves in today. We need someone in the WH who can begin to unravel them. Gingrich and Romney top the list of those with the necessary experience and toughness to get things done. Cain is inept, Bachmann is too inexperienced, Perry has kinda lost his way, The others are just tokens.

  • spelunker

    H. Cain is an opportunist who wanted to vault his affirmative action stardom into the WH. He thought his race and appointed poistion on the Fed Bank Board in Kansas City would give him a teflon coat that he could used to fend off negatives. His cliches have worn thin and he has not been able to articuate his own programs, like taxes. You don’t use hush money and sealed documents when you have done nothing wrong.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I used to be a Cain supporter. If these people think I’m going back now, then they’re exactly as crazy as they act.

  • ihateliberals

    Conservatives need to get out and vote for their conservative choice now. keep them in the running and as each one gains more then we should shift support to them. The three stooges need to go. Romney (Moe) , Perry (Larry) and Cain (Curly). If any of these three get the nomination i dont ‘ care what Rush or any of the other Radio talking head s say Obama wil be our president for God knows how long. The next big action the Demoncrats are going to try is to repeal the 22 nd amendment and they wil be able to control their puppet. Bill clinton wants to be President again. We didn’t want him in the first place.

  • LibertyWins

    Cain is toast get over it and move on already!

    He did you a favor by destroying his political career.

  • LibertyWins

    Awesome!

  • LibertyWins

    was the first of many things that I found Cain to be irrelevant.

    Thank Herb for wasting October for us all!