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Marist projects a larger wave for Democrats in 2012

Marist College polled South Carolina for NBC. By request, I’m looking at this poll, but not because of anything it says about the upcoming primaries in the state.

Instead, it’s the projection of the general election that is interesting. It seems to suggest a wave for the Democrats bigger than 2006 or 2008.

The facts: Poll taken over 3 days, 12/4-12/6, a short time for a college poll. 2,107 registered SC voters, MoE 2.1.

Again, I’m not even looking at the actual results much, though they do show Newt Gingrich solidly ahead in the three-way matchup against Mitt Romney and Ron Paul, up 48-30-12 among 635 primary LVs (MoE 3.9). I care about the general election sample.

According to Marist’s “Nature of the Sample” table, Democrats make up 33% of the sample of RVs, Republicans 30%, and Independents 36%. That sounds reasonable at first, but this is South Carolina. At the peak of the wave for the Democrats, the 2008 election, CNN’s exit polling shows a breakdown of 38% Democrats, 41% Republicans, and 20% independents. Independents appear to be vastly oversampled, and taking more from Republicans than from Democrats, in the Marist poll.

Democrats do traditionally have party identification advantages in America, but even in a great year for Democrats, they failed to have one in the 2008 elections in South Carolina. For Marist College to project such a swing in 2012, they must be predicting an even bigger wave in 2012, than the Democrats had in 2008.

Or we could just dismiss the poll as premature and likely wrong. That’s where I stand.

Crossposted from Unlikely Voter

COMMENTS

  • http://www.plumbbobblog.com Plumb_Bob

    …the cumulative impact of letting Progressives run the education system for two generations. The next generation of young adults will not even know who George Washington is, except that he owned slaves. But they’ll know all about climate change, diversity, self-esteem, entitlement, and income inequality.

    The republic cannot function when one side decides they want to co-opt the system. So long as Progressives behave like Progressives, there is no point in pretending we have a working republic, because we do not.

  • wonkish1

    Is one of the least accurate pollsters in the entire RCP list. So it doesn’t surprise me when their projections aren’t even remotely close.

  • Common_Cents

    How does that figure in here?

    “Democratic registrations are down 5.4 percent in eight of the 12 expected 2012 election ?swing states? ? or states that could go for either candidate ? while Republican registrations are down only 3.1 percent and independent registrations are up 3.4 percent.

    Those eight states have closed primaries or caucuses, meaning voters must identify their party when registering to vote, thus making it possible to observe voter identification patterns. In the other four swing states, in which you do not have to identify your party when you register, Third Way estimated partisan support with 2010 election results.

    The eight swing states where party registrations are identifiable are: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

    The other four swing states are: Michigan, Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin. Exit poll data from these states show the proportion of the electorate identifying themselves as Democrats decreased by five percentage points while the number of Republicans grew by two percentage points and the number of independents grew by one percentage point.”

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/democrats-losing-ground-in-key-states-for-2012-election-64359/

  • exitsfunnel

    I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that there won’t be a contested primary on the Dem side this cycle. Speaking generally I think that after three consecutive wave elections this one will probably be a nail biter at the presidential level with the GOP just winning the Senate and holding onto the House though probably losing a half a dozen or ten seats. Obviously I’m not claiming any of that to be anything more than idle speculation.

    -exits

  • Tbone

    it’s who you ask. Doesn’t everyone know that?

  • ashland_avenue

    Several years ago, my then wife said: “You know, we’re old money and you’re not.”

    Some time after that, she took most of what I had made and retired to one of the bluest of this country’s blue states.

    She, her siblings, and most of her family remain bluer than blue politically. They maintain Facebook pages, send around emails, seeing what they want to see.

    For the past year or so, two themes have emerged from these commentaries: a preference for Hillary over Barack, and an emotional, if not shrill, campaign to expand homosexual rights.

    In a skillfully designed campaign, they send around Facebook artwork, meant to identify themselves as supporting gay rights, but inexorably building a powerful mailing list for sympathetic Donks next year.

    I have tried engaging one or another of them via social media on questions such as the nation’s unwieldy debt, the level of unemployment, contradictory foreign policy. Only one issue rings true to these folks, wealthy & suburban, educated and believing themselves to be Smarter Than The Average Bear.

    That issue is support for marriage between two men or two women. Look for it to be very big in ’12. It seems to be completely unrelated to the actual practice of homosexuality. They’re just wound up about it.

    If there is a Donkish wave, it may well be linked to this campaign.

  • vaaztx

    ?the left doesn’t have a Rush Limbaugh out there to run an Operation Chaos against us.

  • carolina

    I guess it is semi-closed. Independents can ‘declare’ a party at the polls on primary day. Both R and D allow this, even though state law calls for closed primaries.

  • carolina

    because people can change their party at the polls on election day.

    http://www.fairvote.org/congressional-primaries-open-closed-semi-closed-and-top-two

  • carolina

    same link

  • carolina

    same link (OH, VA, WI are open primaries)

    The other states you listed, that I have not mentioned, have closed primaries.

  • carolina

    same link (OH, VA, WI are open primaries)

    The other states you listed, that I have not mentioned, have closed primaries.

  • greyeagle

    Projections this far out are worthless. There will be a lot of disinformation put out via polls by liberal leaning pollsters. I just consider the source and ignore them. Look at it this way, the Republicans will turn out in full force because they want Obama tossed out of office. That is a huge motivator.