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Debunking PPP in Iowa

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I’ve been telling people PPP’s polling Iowa was making nonsense predictions. The pollster has doubled down.

I’m going way out on a limb here, and if the actual results refudiate what I’m saying then I’m going to have to take some taunting, but I just don’t see how this poll remotely reflects reality, and I’m flatly saying it’s not predictive of the caucus results.

The facts: 597 LVs, no mention of mobile handling. MoE 4.

The results of this poll are going to get huge play. While they predict less for Mitt Romney than the apparent Rasmussen outlier for Romney, PPP seems to show an apparent rush of support from Newt Gingrich to, well, every other candidate. Six candidates are in double figures, three at precisely ten: Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum tie for fourth. Gingrich comes in third at 14, his lowest Iowa poll result in six weeks. Mitt Romney checks in at 20, and Ron Paul finishes first at 23. Between the Paul lead and the Gingrich crash, this poll will generate lots of web hits for PPP.

The problem with the poll is that it’s just not likely to be true, though. We have a benchmark for evaluating this poll: 2008 Iowa caucus entrance polls. The partisan alignment is all wrong: In 2008 the caucuses, being closed of course, included 86% self-identified Republicans, 13% self-identified Independents who presumably registered Republican to caucus, 1% Democrats, 1% “Other.” PPP’s poll drops the Republican proportion to 75%, raises Independents to 19%, and raises Democrats to 5%. Guess who’s helped by both of those shifts, which are far outside the Margin of Error and so predict genuine, large shifts in the partisan makeup of the closed Iowa caucuses. That’s right: Ron Paul, who wins 40% of Democrats, 34% of Independents, but only 19% of Republicans according to the poll.

There are three broad possibilities: The 2008 entrance polls are wrong. The 2012 Republican caucuses will find huge new turnout from independent voters showing up and registering Republican. The PPP poll has systemic issues and is not meaningful.

Other suspicious bits: Do we really believe that 36% of “Very liberal” Iowa caucusers went for Mike Huckabee and not Rudy Giuliani or John McCain? Do we believe the Republican Party’s makeup has shifted so that John McCain would have tied for second in Iowa in 2008? That’s what PPP says: Huckabee 26%, Romney and McCain 19%. Remember that the actual result was Huckabee 34, Romney 25, Fred Thompson 13, McCain 13.

Polls with solid fundamentals can be tweaked with post weighting to correct the results. However the rule of Garbage In, Garbage Out applies. The PPP results are disconnected with any sort of reality we can compare them with. Reports of a Ron Paul takeover in Iowa are nonsense until proven otherwise. Because fundamentally: Do we really think a horde of Independents who hate the Republican Party will show up at the last minute, register Republican, and caucus for hours with Republicans? I don’t buy it, and neither should Iowa Republicans.

Crossposted from Unlikely Voter

COMMENTS

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    InTrade this morning:

    Romney 67.9%
    Gingrich 10.3%

    These guys are not swayed be push polling. They put their money where their mouth is. It’s predicting future so much as taking the real temperature of serious voters. Right now Newt is falling back to Earth like an old Russian satellite.

  • texanlady

    I have encountered Paul supporters on the internet for many years, and they are more committed than any other block of voters. Democrats who think Obama is too hawkish and too favorable to the banks will join the independents. Don’t underestimate this group. I am waiting for another poll to confirm this.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    I was just going to come on hear and ask if Republicans in Iowa had gone crazy.

    It’s not just the Paul numbers, it’s the splitting the Bachmann/Perry/Santorum vote instead of getting behind one candidate.

  • dpmapper

    * There are no competing Dem caucuses, so more independents will be coming to ours.

    * The cross-tabs, especially on the small subset of “very liberal” voters, will have massive margins of error.

    * Voters often mis-remember who they voted for four years ago.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    What was I thinking? For-pay self-selected Intenet polls are the BEST!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    Then again, I’m a straight-ticket Republican voter who is more politically active than the majority of people (even rocking the absentee ballot this year for Florida).

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    You don’t know who I am and who I support, so your comment just exposes you as as moron.

  • sunshinek67

    of Newt Gingrich are trending downward, as is reflected in other polling and really by his own admission over the weekend in his teletownhall with Iowa. He lacks campaign cash and staff/volunteers to thwart this negative advertising against him.

  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    Wait a minute, hasn’t Intrade fluctuated even more wildly than the ‘real’ polls? And we’re supposed to listen to them why?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Common in predicting wildly wrong results? Since when?

  • thirstyboots

    1. A golden rule in poll analysis: don’t care too much about crosstabs. In polls with samples like this, n=600, the margin of error of those small subsamples – say, “very liberal” – is huge. There’s not much you can read in it. PPP did very well in the past cycle. Look at those polls and you’ll see the same: very accurate toplines, subsamples completely screwed up. Same for every pollster. But ask anyone of them and they’ll tell you to not focus on the subsamples because the MoE is so massive.

    2. Ron Paul has the largest and most effective campaign in Iowa. They are well-staffed and have the muscle they lacked 4 years ago. He is a much more well-known figure – his Jay Leno appearance got huge rates. They’ve been phone-banking Iowa intensively for weeks. They have hundreds of college kids landing there as of today. That turnout from self-ID indies and democrats is not surprising at all. I think that turnout model is very plausible.

    3. Newt’s implosion is pretty much a given at this point. See the Gallup tracking poll. And nobody else is surging, every candidate is benefiting a little. Which obviously makes Iowa a 2 men race between Romney and Paul. I’d say that the superior commitment of Paul’s voters will push him to victory.

    4. I’d say that Michelle Bachmann is the only one that can win over Paul or Romney at this point (in Iowa). Perry and Gingrich negatives are just too high. People don’t care about Santorum. But likely caucus goers still like Bachmann personally and she has a good operation on the ground, so she’s the dark horse here.

    I know some have been predicting here Ron Paul can never win the caucus but I suspect that, once again, they’ll have to eat some crow. I think it’s the most probable scenery as of now.

  • dpmapper

    An interesting Q29: Support for ethanol subsidies runs 33% in favor, 32% against. I’m guessing the voters in favor are more likely to be fervent in their support, but it’s still somewhat heartening. All the candidates pandering about ethanol should be ashamed that they’re doing it, especially since it’s not even for that many votes!

  • gpclaw

    have to do with the number of Republicans and independents adding up to a similar total as in 2008?

    included 86% self-identified Republicans, 13% self-identified Independents who presumably registered Republican to caucus, 1% Democrats, 1% ?Other.? PPP?s poll drops the Republican proportion to 75%, raises Independents to 19%

    I don’t think it’s a surprise to anyone, that people who used to identify as Republicans now label themselves as independents, but it seems that the number of independents should be larger.

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    Better yet, please donate all you can to Newt’s campaign. There’s nothing like watching your cash go up in smoke to teach you about the realities of American politics.

    Donate!!
    Donate!!
    Donate!!
    Donate!!
    Donate!!
    Donate!!

    Like the Bible says: “Puteth thy money where thy mouth is. “

  • sunshinek67

    OK, take out the polling variable, Newt’s admission over the weekend was that the negative attacks against him are hurting his candidacy in Iowa.

  • f224

    In 2008 I was a Caucus Chair (Runnells 1). In my travels I counted about 30-35 Ron Paul signs across my precinct. The night of the caucus, only one voter voted for Ron Paul, and I am sure it was the Goth looking kid who stood up an spoke for him that had to register that evening as a Republican.

    Paul voters will not show up that evening, and if they do, it’s not in numbers large enough to matter. Much of his support is among college kids, they are still gone on break and you cannot absentee vote. The remaining groups of his supporters lack large numbers outside of about four State House Districts. This cycle, more people have Perry and Santorum signs than have any other candidates.

    On a side note, more than 70% of the attendees leave the caucus once the results have been called in. Very few stay for the Party business that is conducted afterwards.

  • thirstyboots

    In 2008, it was difficult to find a LV poll with a sample of 50% Bush voters in 2004. Same for Obama these days. When politicians are very unpopular, many don’t like to admit they were suckers.

  • Paul_Zummo

    If you’re right, Neil, then perhaps we’ll see Perry finish strong here and resuscitate his campaign. A top 2 or 3 finish could do the trick, but if he manages to win the caucus, then I think he could possibly run the table.

    On the other hand, if you are wrong and Ron Paul wins than we might finally see the Iowa caucus discredited. Let’s face it, it’s a ridiculous system, and there is no justification for one state to have so much pull in the nominating process.

    Not entirely off-topic, but I also think greater weight should be given to states with truly closed primaries. I know the caucus is technically closed, but the fact that you can change party affiliation the day of the election means it’s a de facto open caucus.

  • bornafterreagan

    That strikes me as an extremely easy explanation for why the turnout would be different.

    You’ll see the same thing in New Hampshire as well – the % of voters who identify as Conservatives or Republicans will drop, if only slightly, because politically active liberals or Democrats, with nothing better to do, will go vote in the Republican caucus or primary.

    That’s going to happen. It might not happen to the extent that PPP is predicting, but it’s going to happen.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Ron Paul did terribly badly last time. There’s no evidence his people vote. In fact, he does best among non-voters.

    His people just believe that his people are dedicated

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    They’re great for explaining why a wacky poll result is wacky, which is what I did.

    What do you propose we do to anayize a poll result if we see no evil hear no evil on crosstabs?

  • http://www.redstateeclectic.com enrique

    I don’t get why so many people discount college kids from participating in the caucuses. Just because they are not on campus doesn’t mean they won’t participate. Maybe they’re registered at home and will caucus there. If they’re out of state then the out of state Iowa students might return home to caucus as well. Like caucus polling, just way too many variables.

    The youth organization pushed Obama to a surprise victory in the Iowa Caucus in ’08 and changed the narrative and ultimately propelled him to victory. And yes, the caucus was when students were out of school then too.

    The biggest hurdle for any campaign looking at the youth is the fact that they are the youth and unreliable and erratic voters. Especially in a caucus. I suppose if you have enough organization (like Obama did) one could overcome that. But do any GOP candidates really have that organization? I don’t think even Paul does.

  • thirstyboots

    It’s somewhat heartening indeed, but let’s not forget this is a poll of caucus goers. The Republican voters who caucus tend to be the most conservative ones and the independents/democrats who plan to caucus are in a very large extent Ron Paul supporters. A general population survey would produce far different results.

  • http://www.redstateeclectic.com enrique

    A Paul win should not discredit the caucus. It would simply show that bothering to set up a credible ground game and reaching out to voters makes a difference. A caucus will never be a primary and it’s important to realize that the rest of us are not being inundated with ads and campaign stops like they are in Iowa.

    I lived through 2 caucuses when I was doing my training in Iowa and their impression of the candidates is probably better than ours since they are seeing them more than in a few debates. They are seeing their campaigns, volunteers, etc. So their exposure is probably a much more useful barometer of the effectiveness of candidates than, say, Alabama or Idaho who only are exposed to debates, Fox News, and radio hosts.

    Iowa serves a very useful purpose in winnowing the field. I’m sure once a few of those conservatives (Bachmann, Santorum, Perry) drop out we can coalesce around the one who survives and take on Paul and Romney. That’s the role of the rest of the states.

  • dpmapper

    I’m sure the Democrats in Iowa love them some ethanol! But my point about pandering still holds, since our candidates are doing it specifically for the caucus-goers and not the general election.

  • Aaron Gardner

    And I say that as someone who actually likes most of your comments.

  • bk

    “Republican voters who caucus tend to be the most conservative ones”

    If so, you wonder why GOP candidates are always terrified to say cutbacks on farming subsidies and especially on ethanol subsidies are needed. Or maybe Iowa “conservatives” are just NIMBY conservatives, which equates to being RINOs.

  • bk

    then wouldn’t it follow that they believe an internet poll at Alex Jones’s website is just as valid as a carefully crafted telephone poll?

  • thirstyboots

    It’s the sample size of the crosstabs. If the sampling fraction is small, the margin of error is going to be much larger.

    There is a lot of random ‘noise’ with smaller subgroups like ‘self-ID very liberal voters’. The margin of error increases as the reduced sample size of a subgroup becomes smaller and smaller and I suspect that subsample is really, really small.

    Okay, we’re talking about 15 voters, 3% of the poll sample. The MoE is so massive that your question makes no sense whatsoever. It’s not even wrong, it’s simply meaningless.

    Obsessing over small subgroups in small sample polls is something journalists and analysts like to do but has no real value whatsoever.

  • bk

     

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Some people know just enough to be dangerous.

  • thirstyboots

    I think the argument is a bit more sophisticated than “crosstabs” don’t matter.

  • thirstyboots

    … are against ethanol subsidies. Take out Ron Paul hardcore supporters and that number is even smaller. And as dpmapper suggests, those who support the subsidies are the ones who care most and dearly about the issue. Those are the ones with a much larger chance of not voting for you/donating against you (for your opponents) because of this issue. Being against ethanol subsidies is not a guaranteed you’ll get like-minded voters, just a guarantee you’ll lose the other ones. As McCain results showed.

    (this is the reason why there are so many government handouts that benefit a very small group yet are so difficult to repeal. A few people getting millions is, politically, a more powerful group than millions of people paying a few cents).

  • red_oakster

    nt

  • texanlady

    I think they show up because the anti-war dems and independents are furious at Obama and Bernanke. They are incensed at Wall St. Last time they were voting for Obama in the caucuses. There is no action on the dem side .

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    his “supporters” aren’t conservatives or Republicans of any stripe either.

    Just another reason the limp wristed Republican leadership should have tossed him from the caucus decades ago. Oh, and when Paul gets creamed – again – in the primaries, all the whining about his supporters not showing up to vote Republican or him going third party are, again, nonsense. They either don’t vote – see Neils link – or they never would have voted for a Republican. Personally, I hope he does run on a third party ticket, it’ll drain Obama votes.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    is that they are stupid.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    that the Party bans Presidential caucuses in ’16. They are, for Presidential purposes, a complete exercise in stupidity.

  • expanding_man

    I enjoyed the post. It seems that PPP has oversampled independents and democrats. You may remember from prior posts that I think there will be plenty of Dems and Independents registering as Republicans on the day of the caucuses. However I don’t think the numbers will be as large as the PPP polling that you sited. I think they will certainly be higher than the exit polling numbers that you mentioned.

    Regardless, the PPP poll isn’t reliable because the the sample used.

    Do you have a prediction for a winner?

  • http://www.redstateeclectic.com enrique

    but their votes still count. If IQ tests or the ability to reason were requirements to vote then there would be a very small electorate, and the members Congress left could fit into a Subway restaurant.

  • texanlady

    I would say a few are fiscal conservatives that don’t want government spending on defense or anything else. Mainly they are libertarians, independents and anti-war democrats. Never did like the man. I was in Austin, Tx and saw a lot of Paul signs. Here in North Texas I don’t see so many.

  • http://www.redstateeclectic.com enrique

    The alternatives to caucuses which usually require lots of party activities is to instead throw the election to lots of indys and democrats like it is in MI. The only other alternative is conventions which produces all the back room deals that the primaries are meant to eliminate.

    They all have their drawbacks and benefits. Personally, I like the system right now because it tests your ability to connect with voters personally in a caucus and then follow right up with a primary in a small state. This affords us with some indication of the ability of the candidate to compete in the general.

  • bk

    And we wonder why the country is in trouble.

    This is exactly what’s killing us. “Compromising” in Congress means “I’ll support your pork spending if you support mine.”

  • dp79

    I’ve seen it on other sites repeatedly. Who’s your ideal candidate???

  • buddha1556

    I had the same conversation with a friend last week. A caucus invites too much funny business, in my opinion.

    I’ll take my chances with a primary. While I would advocate strongly for closed primaries, I don’t think crossover voters present as much of a challenge as a caucus does.

  • sunshinek67

    of all skewed polling results. The old saying is true, the only poll that matters is the one in the voting booth.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    and should require a change of registration at least 90 days prior, I would prefer 6 months. There are no benefit to caucuses. Iowa allows fringe elements and fruitcakes a voice where there should be none. Last cycle they breathed life into Mike Huckabee’s campaign of fraudulent conservatism.

    “Connect with voters”???? Who are you kidding. The turnout is dismal and the the only people you have to connect with are single issue voting groups.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    ..

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    :D

  • acat

    His routinely (purchased) strong showings in the Ames poll have always indicated something’s amiss in Iowa politics.

    Mew

  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    ,,,,in real or mock elections all the way back to 1992 (when I first remember doing a mock vote in my elementary school). I’ve got nothing to be ashamed of there. Why don’t other voters man up?

  • tailfins1959

    Are you this Neil Stevens?

    http://about.skype.com/who-makes-skype/neil-stevens/

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I’m the Neil Stevens of Unlikely Voter and of Stevens Media Services LLC.

  • tailfins1959

    I have an experiment for anyone to try. Have you tried FUNDING an Intrade account lately? It seems you almost have to MAIL a cashier’s check overseas to do it. Many people would not be inclined to do that. It raises doubts about just how good a sample of people still use Intrade.

  • heraklios

    I bet the GOP’s numbers are tanking for the General Election since a Romney nomination all but guarantees a strong libertarian/conservative third-party candidate.

  • heraklios

    I bet the GOP’s numbers are tanking for the General Election since a Romney nomination all but guarantees a strong libertarian/conservative third-party candidate.

  • thirstyboots

    The fact that they don’t vote for a candidate of your liking?

  • thirstyboots

    Not exactly surprising.

    The idea that there aren’t interest groups amongst conservatives is naif.

    Military spending? Law enforcement/prison complex? Completely bizarre tax expenditures?

    Why, say, there isn’t more support of Senator Coburns to take down all tax expenditures?

  • thirstyboots

    If you’re posting here, you care much about politics than 95% of the American population.

    Anyway, google “Shy Tory Factor”. It’s a similar phenomenon.

  • acat

    No quality control, they’ll let anyone in!

    Mew

  • Common_Cents

    Gingrich wins, but Bachmann right on his tails.

    “TPP leader Jenny Beth Martin said “more than 22,000 people” listened in to the two-hour teleconference that included question-and-answer sessions with Romney, Bachmann, Gingrich and Santorum.

    A straw poll afterward showed Gingrich garnering 31 percent of the vote and Bachmann receiving 28 percent.

    Romney placed third with 20 percent, but that’s more support than he generally gets from voters who identify themselves as tea party members.

    By contrast, Perry, once considered a tea party favorite, received only 2 percent in the poll.”

    http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/ron-paul-iowas-sixth-poll-leader-mitt-romney-reaches-tea

  • thirstyboots

    Go figure.

    If independents like a republican candidate so much that they have the trouble of caucusing for that person, defying the Iowa winter, more power to that person. Regardless if it is Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan or Ronald Reagan.

    I don’t have a problem with the ability of drawing support from voters who aren’t registered republicans being a factor in the primary.

  • texanlady

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2011/InsiderAdvantage_IA_1218.pdf Perry is strongly in third. He is getting another chance after his strong debate performance.

  • red_oakster

    That’s the best news I’ve seen in awhile, if it’s for real

  • truthsquad

    America Research Group has Newt dropping like a rock in New Hampshire, and Paul climbing quickly, now in second place, 14 points behind Mitt.

    NH isn’t an open primary, either. Dems can’t vote in the GOP ticket.

    Caucus, primary, open, closed, they all serve useful purposes.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    But IA has previously called surprises by insurgents.

  • bk

    It seems pretty simple to me. If your golden rule is not to care too much about crosstabs, then they really don’t matter, correct?

    Or maybe they only matter when you’re using them to prove a point you like and don’t matter when someone is trying to prove a point you don’t like.

    Arguing here with Neil about how to analyze polls is about as productive as smashing one’s head into a concrete wall if you ask me.

  • gawken

    you’re RIGHT, and PPP is wrong..

    Mittens finishes 3rd or 4th in Iowa..

  • thirstyboots

    The concept that if the subgroup sample is small, the MoE is so high that analyzes are meaningless is pretty easy to assimilate for a regular person. If you can’t understand such a simple thing, there’s no point in debating it any further.

    And yeah, don’t compare me to Neil when it comes to polls. I think Neil readily admits he’s just an amateur and lacks academic training and professional experience on this issue.

  • acat

    It’s the GOP primary.

    Note. GOP.

    Not “independent who usually votes GOP but never registered as one”. Not “teenager who registered to vote, went to college, listened to the sophomore stoners talking about Ron Paul and now supports him”.

    If you can’t get your ass off the couch to register with the party well before (90 days seems reasonable) the election (ahem, caucus) then .. too damn bad.

    The problem with a lot of the recent GOP candidates is they’re trying to appeal to non-GOP voters. No wonder they suck!

    Mew

  • thirstyboots

    This time from Insider Advantage:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2011/InsiderAdvantage_IA_1218.pdf

    (note: IA has a very poor record and some analysts have cast doubts on the robustness of the work they’ve produced)

  • thirstyboots

    You have to appeal to them to win general elections. That’s why politicians appeal to them.

    And yeah, I know it’s not a jungle primary, it’s an open primary (not technically, but close enough). I don’t have a problem with them. I like a primary system with a mix of open primaries, closed primaries and caucuses.

    Plus, if there’s a generation of young college kids who are willing to learn about capitalism and free-market because of Ron Paul, I’d say that’s a very good think. Not very different from the past actually – lots of current day conservatives were, say, Ayn Rand believes in their high-school and college days.

  • origami

    I think Ron Paul is an idiot. But I’m convinced he’s going to win Iowa caucuses… and I’m not happy about it. His supporters ARE dedicated. With all the cash he has on hand, time he’s spent in the state, and experience he’s had running for president dozens of times, the man has a good chance of embarrassing all of us. Our current frontrunners are weak and Paul smells the blood in the water.

    With any luck, this will give Perry (or any of the 2nd tier really) a second look.

  • bk

    Do I understand now – at least to the extent that a moron is able to?

  • acat

    I’m not saying Iowa, or any State, shouldn’t have ‘em. ‘s up to the State party.

    I’m saying that to give the results of a game so easy to rig the weight we give ‘em shouldn’t be. Imagine the Iron Bowl, if both Alabama and Auburn were allowed to bring in ringers from the rest of the country…

    Mew

  • thirstyboots

    That’s just a strawman and a pathetic attempt to bait me into a flame war. I have little patience and time for that sort of stuff so I just want to let you know I won’t be replying to your “comments” any more.

  • papabear

    The numbers are still “all wrong” (63.7% R, 29.9 %I, 6.4%D).

    However, among self identified (R), Paul leads. Here is the (R) breakdown:

    Paul = 21.9%
    Romney = 19.7%
    Perry = 15%
    Gingrich = 14.9%
    Bachmann = 11.3%
    Huntsma = 4.5%
    Santorum = 4.3%
    Someone else = 0.3%
    No opinion = 12.4%

    I hope it is understood that it is out of respect to the RS rules that I am not calling Paul a race baiting, anti-Semitic, vile, piece of rat excrement.

  • origami

    EVERY CANDIDATE purchases the Ames straw poll.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • sunshinek67

    :D

  • Common_Cents

    A phone in teleconference and post conference straw poll.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    to show up and vote for the candidate most likely to lose to their favored candidate. ESPECIALLY when Obama will not be contested.

    You just don’t have a clue about how politics works do you?

    Learning from Ron Paul is definitely not a good thing. The myriad of reasons have been covered here many times, I’m not doing your homework for you.

  • acat

    Not that I mind, since it gives me a chance to point out just how useless Ames is…

    Where did Romney and Perry finish, and how much did they pay in?

    Mew

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    ….I suppose it would be the result of fear of judgment for one’s conservatism given an apparent hostile media/societal influence. Such a thing may make polls for conservative candidates a little questionable as well, would it not?

  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    No text necessary….

  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    So someone else will have to answer the question of how to fund an intrade account.

  • teme

    In 1996, when only Republicans had real caucus

    Moderate 21%, Somewhat Conservative 41%, Very Conservative 34%

    Compared to 2008
    Liberal 1%, Moderate 11%, Somewhat Conservative 43%, Very Conservative 45%

    Democrat 1%, Republican 86%, Independent 13%, Other 1%

    In 1996 entrance poll they didn’t have party identification, but considering that combined party ID in 2008 for Dems and Indies (14%) was higher that the combined moderate an liberal numbers (12%).

    So based on that, 21% Moderate in 1996 might have meant that the party ID for Indies and Dems combined was slightly higher, around 24%, like it is in PPP poll. Of course the candidates matter also, not just if the primary is competitive or not, 2008 Democrat caucus had more Republicans and Independents than 2004 Democrat caucus, according to exit polls. For 2008 it was Republican 3%, Independent 20%. So Ron Paul being within striking distance, and Ron Paul supporters generally being of very “devoted” type, I don’t think that PPP poll party ID composition is impossible.

  • origami

    a better way of phrasing it would have been “any candidate who wants to win the Ames poll buys it.” And if I’m not mistaken Bachmann outspent Paul in Ames by a considerable margin.

    But for the record, I think Paul is a fool.