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Romney makes a breakthrough

George and Mitt Romney

Newt Gingrich had about six weeks at the top or tied, but that run is over. Gallup has shown a slow decline for the Speaker, and now Mitt Romney benefits. He takes his first national lead since early November.

Just in time for the actual delegate selection process to begin.

The facts: Tracking poll with a rolling average. 1,169 RVs. MoE 4.

Since Gallup started its tracking poll, Gingrich has slid from 37 to 23, but Romney now has hit a new high, 27, to take his four point lead. Rick Santorum is nowhere to be seen. What happens in Iowa, stays in Iowa.

Of course, after Iowa and New Hampshire, I think we all expect the race to consolidate. and Romney could be surpassed. It seems improbable, but it isn’t wrong to say Mitt Romney could become the first Republican non-incumbent to win Iowa and New Hampshire, but also be the first to win both states but not win the nomination.

Crossposted from Unlikely Voter

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  • thirstyboots

    The thesis that if Romney is polling at 25% there’s a 75% non-Romney vote. I mean, there is, but no candidate will ever be able to consolidate it (or even come close).

    Romney isn’t benefiting from a fractioned filed; it’s the fractioned filed that is keeping Romney’s ceiling in the 20s. People just have another bandwagon to jump into. But once they’re all equally vetted, Romney is the one they’ll settle into.

    Wait till people run out of FoTM and lsome folks start dropping out: Romney will quickly go over 50%.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Romney is well liked by the GOP base. Republicans like his character, his business record, and the message he’s bringing. They like that he won in a strong Dem state.

    It’s only in the Internet Bubble that it’s been Romney vs not-Romney. Nationwide, Republicans are just picking candidates.

  • gekster

    Yeah, that’s a myth.

  • clintonformccain

    i don’t realistically see a path for anyone currently in the field to beat Romney. There’s a long-shot chance for Perry to surpass expectations in Iowa and consolidate some of the strong anybody-but-Romney sentiment. But, if Santorum gets his ticket punched, it’s all over but the shouting.

  • tailfins1959

    I see Romney carrying Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota and perhaps a surprise in Maine. It will be nice to belong to a GOP that’s not Southern dominated.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    This means you.

  • aj_0000

    If Romney is the nominee, I will not be voting for him in November. Whether I vote for a third party, write in another name, vote for Obama or stay home is the only thing in question. There is no difference between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, and anyone who thinks there is, is a fool and a dupe. An easy mark for the elite. Look at their records, not their rhetoric, and tell me where they differ.

    Conservatives have only one choice at this point. Unite behind one candidate, or accept defeat two years after the Tea Party movement reshaped national politics. The actions of the “Republican establishment” have been shameful and shameless. They are openly spitting in our faces, telling us to sit down and shut up and accept their hand-chosen nominee, the sure-loser Mitt Romney. The Republican Party elite must be defeated before Obama can be defeated. I thought we all knew that two years ago. Now we’re going to fall in line?

    The voting is about to start. He has his flaws, but the only viable option is Newt. If Bachmann, Santorum and Perry drop out soon, which they likely will (although Perry could hang around due to money), there is a real chance for conservatives to consolidate behind Gingrich and stop Romney. Romney’s backers know that, which is why they unleashed an all out assault on Newt in recent weeks.

    Either we have government of, by and for the people, or we are sheep being ruled by our betters. This is not a game. Mitt Romney represents nothing less than the entitled elite trying to crack down on the people and show us who’s boss. If you submit to it, you deserve what you get, which will be four more years of the same policy no matter who wins.

    Even if Romney manages to shove and buy his way to the nomination, his prospects in November are dim. The Democrats and the media will have him for lunch. They want him to be the nominee even more badly than the Republican elites do. And like I said, I won’t be voting for him. Sorry, but the buck stops here. If Romney is the nominee, I’m through with the Republican Party. Good riddance.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    all the firepower that has been turned at each other consolidates into one big anti-Obama cantonment.

    Can you imagine if Republicans got together and supported our nominee (including all the current candidates) and hammered The One from our convention until election day?

  • kinggold

    The Republican electorate at large is loath to gamble on a risky purist candidate after the fallout of the disastrous candidate picks in 2010. So it stands to reason that had the True Conservative folks not been greedy last year, we might very well have picked a more conservative nominee for this race.

    Candidates are going to drop out, sure, but that’s no guarantee that all of their support is going to coalesce behind a single Not Romney. And that goes double if Paul takes Iowa this week.

  • aj_0000

    I’ll say it again. Look at their records, not their rhetoric, and tell me where there is ANY difference between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. There is none. And if you think there is, you’re a sucker.

  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    Actually, I hope that’s what happens. As the primary season winds its way down and it becomes increasingly clear who our nominee is (whomever he–probably–is), we will be increasingly reminding each other of this. Until then, let’s appreciate the fun of primary season and do our best to choose the right nominee :D . It’s curious to see the polls wobble.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    It’s clear Mitt’s more of a man than you are, if you’d rather re-elect Obama.

  • seanl

    “According to Scott, Romney revealed that polling from Richard Wirthlin, Ronald Reagan’s former pollster whom Romney had hired for the ’94 campaign, showed it would be impossible for a pro-life candidate to win statewide office in Massachusetts. In light of that, Romney decided to run as a pro-choice candidate, pledging to support Roe v. Wade, while remaining personally pro-life.”

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/york-romney-briefed-church-abortion-stance/282721

    If this [expletive deleted] becomes our nominee we are all screwed.

  • kinggold

    Apart from their positions on social policy, entitlements, spending, regulations, the business climate, tax policy, judicial acumen, respect for the military and defense policy, and foreign relations, is there really any difference between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama?

    Seriously, is someone holding up a mirror here?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    2010 was a huge success. Try using actual facts, not what the voices in your head tell you.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    but right now I really can’t think of any that tops that.

  • aj_0000

    I think what Ron Paul is going to do is to soak up left-leaning independents and Democrats in open primaries that would have otherwise voted for Romney, while blunting the organizational advantage Romney has had in caucuses in the past. Look at the way Paul’s army won straw polls for their guy at CPAC and the Values Voter Summit. They don’t have the numbers nationally, but they have more intensity than the rest of the field combined, and a fair amount of money. Paul’s main appeal outside of genuine libertarians is to left-leaners who like his views on foreign policy, drug policy, etc.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    ..

  • aj_0000

    This is what passes for debate here I guess. In the dictionary next to the term “RINO”, there’s a picture of Mitt Romney. The idea that you would even try to spin that around is hilarious.

  • greyeagle

    but Perry will not be dropping out soon. Bachmann will likely go very soon, and Santorum does not have money or organization for much of a campaign. Perry is in for the long haul.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    and it ain’t in Times Square.

  • aj_0000

    Romney’s words mean nothing. His record is what counts. As long as Obama doesn’t have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate again, which he won’t, I have no problem seeing him re-elected if it means defeating Romney. I’m not willing to sell my soul to defeat Obama. Sorry.

  • kinggold

    Don’t whitewash it; some of the candidates nominated made a laughingstock of the conservative movement. Those are actual facts. They lost by embarrassing margins and managed to make the evening news on a regular basis, and to this day people still crow that it was the GOP who secretly brought them down.

    What’s more, to hear people simultaneously take credit for the “huge success” while decrying the fact that nothing has changed and liberals are still in charge (an all-too-common refrain during the debt negotiations and the payroll tax blunder), is interesting to say the least.

  • seanl

    we are all screwed – especially the unborn.

  • princessconsuela

    Like Romney are the “establishment” so to speak. His character to me, screams used car salesman and RUN. As for his message, when it is not flip flopping it is a direct quote from another candidate, usually Perry or Newt. I am hoping he polls badly in all the first states and goes away. I honestly have not met a breathing person that likes him, I have only seen posts and I assume they are on his campaign.

  • thosjefferson

    Bachman and Perry will endorse Romney in Februar. Santorum and Gingrich will wait until late March, but by April, the Republicans will be united and enthusiastic because Romney’s recent lead over Obama will continue to grow nationally.

    A few cranky oddballs such as aj_0000 will work to get Obama elected, but that will be a futile effort.

    Romney will turn the country around and two years from now, the economy will be booming.

    Just saying.

    :)

  • aj_0000

    I wonder why there are Romney supporters writing here. Considering that his support in “red states” is almost non-existent.

    If Romney is the nominee, he will be the weakest and most liberal nominee the Republicans have had since at least Gerald Ford. Obama and the media will tear him to shreds, and he will not have the support of the base to prop him up. He’ll be toast. John Kerry will look like a strong candidate in comparison.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Say Romney’s economic record as governor vs Obama’s to date.

    Come back and provide some facts on what you found.

  • thosjefferson

    The kindergarten dictionary joke constitutes a debate?

    Romney is by far the most conservative candidate who can win. None of the other so-called conservatives have had any success outside of deep red states and/or congressional districts. Every aspect of his record is conservative–except he’s not insane like some of the so-called conservatives who would rather see Obama win.

  • gekster

    Dispite all of Romneys flaws, he would still be 100% better than Obama.
    The fact that you can’t see that shows just how blind you are.

    The general rule around these parts is
    Conservative in the primary,
    Republican in the general.

    You might as well quit now while you’re only a little behind.

  • dcarter888

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/mitt_romney_tea_party_when_tea_party_wasnt_cool.html

  • dcarter888

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/mitt_romney_tea_party_when_tea_party_wasnt_cool.html

  • aj_0000

    The biggest fiction in the Republican Party, for some time now, has been the way the “establishment” types throw around the name of Ronald Reagan. Every single person who is a Romney supporter now would have been a Bush supporter in 1980. Once you realize that, it all falls in line. The only way Reagan made it through was after the elite was completely destroyed by Watergate.

  • lineholder

    I’d not stoop as low as aj_0000 has and say that there’s no difference between Romney and Obama. That’s a foolish statement to make if there ever was one.

    But neither do I have any high expectations of Romney either. He’s proven himself far too inclined to just go where the political winds blow him (and his recent attempt to justify his change in position for the sake of winning in a state that may not be pro-life proves just how easily swayed the man truly can be).

    Heaven help us if the winds of Congress blow to the left rather than the right, because that’s where Romney will go!!!

  • seanl

    and Gingrich trounced Romney. So no.

  • princessconsuela

    Are the ones that are demoncrats and the south, especially Texas are Republicans. Think you may have jumped in the wrong bus line.

  • gekster

    /////

  • texasref

    the only thing I would change is I would vote for Romney over Obama and then join a third party. I’m solid Republican through at least November 6, 2012. If the Republicans nominate Not-Romney, then I’ll stay in the fold.

    Conservative in the primaries, Republican in the general through at least November 6, 2012. Then we’ll see.

  • aj_0000

    The Republican Party has had three huge successes in the past 35 years: 1980, 1994 and 2010. Ronald Reagan, Newt Gingrich, the Tea Party. The rest of their efforts have ranged from mediocre to disastrous – George Bush, Bob Dole, W, John McCain.

    The Republican elite gave us Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama. The base gives the party massive victories every time it’s in the driver’s seat.

    In other words, the Republican elite would rather control a losing party than serve a bunch of hayseed yahoos from flyover country. And there has never been clearer proof than Mitt Romney. End of story.

  • texasref

    who can win.” OMG LOL

    “I’m someone who is moderate. My views are progressive.” — Mittens in ’02.

  • kindredsoul

    I totally agree and I remain hopeful for Perry.

  • aj_0000

    The entire economy was better nationally when Romney was governor in MA. So what?

  • texasref

    wise up man, you’re just as bad (actually worse) than that RINO Romney because you don’t even claim to be Republican in the (increasingly likely) event he is our nominee.

    Neil is giving you a gift calling you a RINO because you aren’t even nominally Republican by your own admission if Romney wins. I’d call that outright Democrat.

    Vent your frustration through efforts to promote your preferred “not-Romney” candidate, not by doing your part to ensure Obama stays in the White House until 2017.

  • aj_0000

    Anyway, one word: Romneycare.

  • carolynr

    You know folks…all we have to do is pray. We know a couple of things that we didn’t before. The MSM is definitely choosing candidates and Fox is now part of that cabal. The Republican Party is no different than the Democrats.

    We marched to stop the spending…and the spending kept on going on. We demonstrated that we wanted smaller government…and the government got bigger. We said that we would never elect a candidate that we didn’t know anything about…and here we are…first state electing Romney who is nothing more than a “Progressive” Republican or a nutcase, Ron Paul. Romney is the replica of the “”thing” we said we would never do again. NEVER.

    We had the evidence, we had the record. We wanted jobs, we wanted energy independence, we wanted our freedom, we wanted to be able to retire or live in retirement comfortably…and what are we saddled with…either candidate…Willard or Obama will take us to a place we could never have imagined. Government will run everything and we will ask ourselves…where is the fruit of our labors? They will simply say…SPENT.

    I’m depressed at the Perry numbers…I expected better. Again…Fox did its best to put him in the can…thank you Karl Rove and Dick (good name for him) Morris. All of our professed Conservative commentators have gone over to the likes of Romney and Christie…The Constitution…what’s that? It’s in the heap with the Bible.

    Carolyn

  • carolynr

    I’ll be talking third party also.

  • aj_0000

    Anybody who is enthusiastic about Romney is not a conservative, Period.

  • aj_0000

    If Trump, Paul or Palin runs as an independent, I will back them in full.

  • princessconsuela

    Obama 2.0 is the same. Obama said what he thought would get him elected and Romney admitted thats what he does. I personally dont want the used pice of crap car he is selling this week. I’ll not be voting Romney if the establishment happens to get him the nod.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Romney’s set to win NH and IA.

    The anyone-but-Romney folk are miserable failures at stopping him so far. It’s so bad they keep coming up with conspiracy theories to cover their failure.

  • aj_0000

    I’m a conservative, not a Republican. And what I’ve concluded from recent history is that it’s better for conservatives if a left wing extremist like Obama wins than a phony Republican like Romney.

  • gekster

    The article you post is from a Romney supporter.
    He couldn’t be biased now, could he?
    I have one from a different source.

    from:
    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/10/20/tea-party-disses-romney-

    excerpt:
    It’s official; Mitt Romney is not the Tea Party’s favorite.

    Adam Brandon, vice president of communications for FreedomWorks, told whispers that if Mitt Romney were the candidate he’d generate about as much support from the Tea Party as Sen. John McCain garnered from conservatives in 2008?reluctant votes at best, but little enthusiasm.
    “We need someone who is able at the end of the day to get people excited, we need enthusiasm not just someone conservatives prefer over Obama,” said Brandon.
    __________________________
    Just when did the TP change thier minds.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I grant you that it could be that way, but I actually believe that if we got a Romney presidency (and I am NOT supporting him) We might get some leadership that is actually to the right of G W Bush.

    Partly because of the times and the reaction to Obama, and partly because I think of Romney as the republican Bill Clinton, He doesn’t have many core values but is driven by polls.

    Normally that is not a good thing, but right now it is not a bad thing because the people are frightened of this government.

    I actually think we would be better off if Bush had been more poll driven. His strong commitments led him to some pretty bad policy decisions.

  • haners

    His inability to speak English and not repeat canned phrases might be the reason.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    nt

  • kinggold

    …only to praise an unpopular conservative and two documented non-conservatives as the Great Conservative Hope?

    Seriously. The instant you wrote “Trump” your credibility vanished. Only people stupid enough to believe what Trump says in the first place would ever consider him to be anything but a liberal protectionist. But that goes without saying, I guess.

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    Carolyn-I for one am not quitting on Perry until he quits. He has improved in the debates. I had Fox News on and my laptop. I heard them say that one of Perry’s ads was one of the most watched on Utube.
    Rove hates Perry from way back. FNC followed suit.
    Carol

  • lineholder

    before you posted this? If not, maybe you should.

  • seanl

    nt

  • seanl

    oh wait…

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    is real. He is a great candidate as per competence. We could do much worse.

    But I will vote for Perry here in Georgia if he is still in it on Super Tuesday.

  • aj_0000

    Unfortunately, Roger Ailes made an editorial decision earlier this year, around the time of the Gabrielle Giffords shooting. He fired Glenn Beck, backbanched Sarah Palin, and they started relentlessly running stories characterizing the Tea Party as “far right”, “right wing” and “extreme”. FNC is not reliable for conservatives anymore. The biggest mask removal has got to be Ann Coulter, though. I think her career is over now.

  • snowshooze

    In fact.. I’d go so far as to ask you, pretty please…to go ahead and if it came to it… vote Willard.
    Obama is pure evil. Yep The antichrist so far as I am concerned.
    It will be a wonder if he doesn’t get us all killed after he ruins our economy, takes our rights away and pisses off every single country in the world, friend and foe alike.
    It would seem he is almost begging for Iran to acquire the bomb,
    And they are as crazy as hell anyway.
    I expect he will try to bail out the euro.
    DHS… looks like a custom built domestic army to turn on us…
    Weren’t they in mass cross agency war games recently? Across Kentucky or Tennessee?
    Look at Holder. Nepolitano. Acorn.
    I can’t believe it. But it looks like they are just about ready to drop the hammer.
    It’s completely nuts. Obama doesn’t need to be impeached, he needs to be imprisoned.
    I think I should go hang with Alex Jones sometimes. Maybe go in for a head exam. Thorazine, please.
    I don’t believe Mittens would do any of these things. I really don’t.
    And to some extent, I think we could herd him around.
    I ask you reconsider. It could be worse, and if we wind up with Obama another four years…well… there probably won’t be any elections after that. ha.
    Thanks,
    Mark

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    Perry ALWAYS wins from behind.

  • carolina

    work hard at keeping the power that they already have. Reagan was a real miracle. Romney is a tool for the GOP establishment, just as every other candidate (except Reagan) has been for many, many years.
    Meanwhile, the grass roots can be most effective at the precinct, county, state, House, Governor, and Senate levels.
    State GOP “old boy clubs” need cleaning out in many states. There is a lot of work to be done before the political elite will feel the winds of change……

  • carolina

    work hard at keeping the power that they already have. Reagan was a real miracle. Romney is a tool for the GOP establishment, just as every other candidate (except Reagan) has been for many, many years.
    Meanwhile, the grass roots can be most effective at the precinct, county, state, House, Governor, and Senate levels.
    State GOP “old boy clubs” need cleaning out in many states. There is a lot of work to be done before the political elite will feel the winds of change……

  • aj_0000

    So this site bans anybody who doesn’t unthinkingly support the GOP? Wow. Ok.

  • dcarter888

    Happy New Year. History repeating remember Carter how poorly he handled Iran hostage crisis? Fast Forward we have Iran taunting the world with Obama not viewed as a threat? Romney is the next Reagan.

  • gekster

    This site supports Consrevatives, Republicans, in that order.
    Third parties are niether.
    Tell me, when was the last time a third party won anything.

    And this site supports thinkers.
    Conservative, liberal, moderates, as long as they ARE thinkers, and not spewers.
    I have seen them all on this site in my few years hear.
    One thing is for sure.
    Don’t go stupid, and most third party promoters go stupid.

  • kindredsoul

    louisianapatriette. I needed that!

  • lizzie

    which also helps explain the last eleven years, including anti-incumbent waves in 2006, 2008, 2010, and, the mother of all anti-incumbent waves in 2012, in which the private equity heartless job-killer is toast, even if Romney does know how many houses he owns. Once he releases his tax returns, he is burnt to a crisp toast.

    The other commonality between Obama and Romney is that neither has a core – every decision is political.

    70-75% wrong direction is the poll number to pay attention to.

    I could go on, but I am trying to find some positive energy for the next ten days so I can face a new specialist doctor (only a four month wait here in Romneycare land) on Jan. 10.
    So, it seems fitting to leave with the wisdom of only great governor that Massachusetts had in the last 100 years, who was an accidental President:, and the last President who spent every day being faithful to the U.S. Constitution, even after winning election in his own right despite facing three opponents in 1924:

    ?The bringing together of all these different national, racial, religious, and cultural elements has made our country a kind of composite of the rest of the world, and we can render no greater service than by demonstrating the possibility of harmonious cooperation among so many various groups. Every one of them has something characteristic and significant of great value to cast into the common fund of our material, intellectual, and spiritual resources?. By tolerance I do not mean indifference to evil. I mean respect for different kinds of good. Whether one traces his Americanisms back three centuries to the Mayflower, or three years to the steerage, is not half so important as whether his Americanism of today is real and genuine. No matter by what various crafts we came here, we are all now in the same boat.?

    President Calvin Coolidge, Speech before the American Legion Convention, Omaha, Nebraska October 6, 1925

    (and you thought Obama’s 2004 DNC speech was original?)

    2012 is no time for weathervanes of pastels.

  • bogeyman

    He would ablsolutely crush Biden in a debate, Would that change your mind? Repubs can’t win without Texas.

  • seanl

    We should have nominated George H.W. Bush in 1980, just like the elites told us to do. H.W. was such a great President! [sarcasm off]

  • quill67

    I don’t. She believes he will fight illegal immigration. I do not. She believes he will fully repeal ObamaCare. I do not. She thinks Romney is more electible than any other. I do not.

  • quill67

    I don’t. She believes he will fight illegal immigration. I do not. She believes he will fully repeal ObamaCare. I do not. She thinks Romney is more electible than any other. I do not.

  • veto

    I have watched for the last few weeks as the candidates, media, and people have been concentrating on attacking Gingrich and Ron Paul. Romney for the most part got a free pass. He wins

    Iowa
    New Hampshire
    Florida

    Then its over, Romney needed to be stopped in Iowa

  • seanl

    heh

  • greyeagle

    Perry speaks English just fine. He speaks very clearly. Canned phrases? Please clarify, I don’t understand what you mean.

  • Bill S

    So feel free to support whoever you like…until after the convention. After that, it’s the Republican or you leave.

    Very simple, actually.

  • stumpy

    next Reagan, you need to lay off the crack. No one currently running can even compare to Reagan, especially Mitt Romney.

  • gracie

    WHY is our establishment, even the ones we thought were conservative, willing to settle for Romney and the status quo? WHY??

    Why would they not want to reach for the America who is bustling with new energy and jobs, with it’s house in order and it’s reputation back? Why are they willing to take the risk that nothing will change substantially in the next four years with Romney?

    Do they have a death wish for America?

    Or is it simply what you said, they are afraid to lose their (BLANK) power?!

    That’s IT?

  • seanl

    he is only pro business when it benefits him. Just like he is anti-business when it benefits him.

  • stumpy

    You nailed it lineholder.

  • seanl

    occam’s razor

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    their real dream candidate refused to run, that was Christy.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Lest you prove yourself to be a moron.

    Start with the fact Massachusetts was ranked 50th economically before Romney took over. Then take a gander at unemployment.

    This I guarantee. Obama’s numbers go in the opposite direction. Despite all his talk, campaigning and telepromptering.

  • seanl

    n/t

  • lizzie

    the one where he questioned DADT vs prayer in school.

    Which I thought was a valid question, but the entire media went bonkers and Perry earned the ‘opposed to gays in the military’ label from the WaPo (which I think Romney secretly owns)

    and poking fun that Perry was wearing his Carhartt jacket which was what the costume designer for “Brokeback Mountain” chose for Heath Ledger’s closeted gay character.

    I still think Perry can move to #3 in Iowa unless Rep. Steve King endorses Santorum. No one in Congress can endorse Perry since he went on his part-time Congress theme. Safer for Steve King to endorse Santorum because, regardless of any other point, Santorum has made the most effective attack on Ron Paul by pointing out that Ron Paul has never passed any bill in Congress, but the President has enormous power with military and foreign relations.

    Gov. Perry had a tough fundraising 4Q. I was actually insulted by the email from Allbaugh asking for $50 to keep running that part-time Congress ad in Iowa. I emailed back that an honest request for $ to keep going through January might have worked.

    he needs a top 3 or a clustered, inconclusive 4-way out of Iowa and terrific debates on Jan 7-8 to get the money flowing again. And Huntsman has to knock Romney below 35% in New Hampshire.

    Which is totally possible!

    wild card? Ron Paul announces that Rand will accept the nomination…

  • pttx333

    wasted hours of pondering is that the “establishment” are the ones so settled into the status quo and are thinking only of themselves. They do not care one fig about the country or any of us. They are merely protecting their little fiefdoms (read that as POWER) in DC, all of the freebies/perks, feathering their nests even more richly and are terrified that someone who won’t “conform” will upset their apple carts. That is the ONLY explanation that I can imagine.

    The ONLY candidate who has even mentioned any of these things is Rick Perry, our guy. And they are absolutely terrified that he might win and dare to tear up their playhouses. BAH and PATOOEY on all of ‘em!!!

  • gekster

    I support conservatives.
    Christy ain’t one.

    Oh, wait. Devils advocate.
    Nevermind. ;)

  • seanl

    I have to really ponder whether it’s worth voting at all in that situation.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    agreed

  • SoFiMil

    What did the local school board do to deserve your wrath of not voting in the general election. Yeah, that’ll show them. And whether or not your support a bond measure for roads in your county, I guess is immaterial.

    You are not even worthy of being called an independent. Your are indeed ambivalent and refuse to take responsibility for your own actions. I’m sure you couldn’t be bothered to become a precinct chair. You’d rather blame others. The fact is, any negative outcomes are a direct result of you and people like you.

    So Romney’s the straw that breaks the camel’s back for you?! While Romney’s no conservative, he’s more conservative than plenty of Republican members of Congress. If you felt this strongly about squishy Republicans, you should of saved your time and ours and bailed on the party in 2008 when McCain got the nomination.

  • 1spark

    You wrote, “It seems improbable, but it isn?t wrong to say Mitt Romney could become the first Republican non-incumbent to win Iowa and New Hampshire, but also be the first to win both states but not win the nomination.’

    I laughed unexpectedly out loud when I read that last line.

    I don’t see how he cannot win the nomination if he has Iowa and New Hampshire in his pocket.

    Virginia seems almost a guaranteed win for Mitt Romney, unless we all would vouch for Ron Paul and I doubt that’s going to happen.

    It’s sad to say, but it looks very likely that Mitt Romney will be the nominee.

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    he does not become the nominee, unless the party some how wakes up. Newt will wither under the negative ads in every state before they vote. Some reason some people think Santorum is a same choice.

    Good thing I do not think Santorum has the fround game in Iowa, but if he does we may as well say hello to a Romney nomination.

  • SoFiMil

    But along with being conservatives, we’re also Republicans.

  • stumpy

    is being Ann Coulter. She takes sides and then abandons reasonable thought to back her view. She is a part of the establishment. These folks live in multi-million dollar mansions, eat at Ruth’s Chris and don’t pump their own gas. There is nothing wring with being sucessful as Ann has been. She should be commended for it. However, this leaves most of these folks out of touch with the common man. All their friends are just like them. Romney fits into this category. Some can still connect, but most cannot. It is a different state of mind.

    I cannot understand how someone who makes a living throwing political bombs can be so dumb. If someone buys Romney’s lemon, then that’s their choice, but Ann’s reasons are bizzare. Illegal immigration is a big problem, but it will be a second teir issue in 2012. As for Obamacare, Romney’s opposition is no stronger than anyone else verbally and his past shows that his thought is closer to the Obamacare than anyone else in the race. He is the only one that has implemented a version of it. Newt is not my favorite, but he has similar conservative verbals this time with a much better total conservative track record. The only place Romney beats him is in the personal life category. 90% of people don’t really care about his personal sins and 90% of those would still vote Newt over Obama.

    Romney is exactly what the Obama Chicago machine wants. They are running a soak the rich/hate wall street/its their fault not mine campaign. Romney is the perfect villian. I have no problem with Romney on this front, but we don’t need someone who fits the caricature they want to draw.

  • 1spark

    that he’s got a free pass. He was mostly vetted during his bid for a 2008 presidential bid. I remember watching him closely then.

    I dunno if there’s anything else the press, MSM, or the american people can dig up on this man.

  • seanl

    came at a time when it was politically beneficial for him to be a conservative?

  • stumpy

    I agree except if Romney wins a close Iowa with two (not Paul), three or four very close at the top. This could be bolstered by a weak win in NH, with SC (not the best state for Romney) up next. Perry or a resurgent Newt are the only real possibilities for this scenario, unless we get a late entry or brokered convention.

  • gracie

    as to how they can, SO many from Haley to Ingraham to Malkin to Mark Steyn! (forget FOX and Coulter)…how can they all risk America not having her best chance to come back?? Jindal is the only one?

    And pttx333 this last surge for Santorum is particularly annoying when OUR Rick has also been retail politicking up and down Iowa to great, albeit not reported, enthusiastic crowds! If last weeks story had been how Perry’s numbers have more than doubled and how great his last three debates were (hey Congress is using his idea about the Iranian bank!), then very likely he would be seeing the surge!

    So we are going to get stuck with Romney after all? I just hope Rick Perry will stay in until it’s down to Romney and Paul…then the conservative base can finally coalesce our him! Pray girl!

    The Perry Team is starting to ask for money; if anybody can give a little let’s help!
    ps Kyle…Chris Christie is NOT a conservative!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    She wants to see one of her “kind” a Northeasterner conservative that has stood up to and/or survived the liberal crucible, do well and she has made an electability calculation based partly on how poorly the more conservative candidates have performed, because her books and public life for a decade prove that she is prefers very conservative Southerners. Her books are must read references…more later

  • pttx333

    only a temporary surge brought about by Romney, the RINOs (for Romney), the MSM, et al., as a way to get a clear field for their guy, Romney. Then there are the dems who want Romney cuz b.o. will beat him like a drum. Either that, or if Romney wins, he can be swayed to the dem side very easily. Just remember the tortoise and the hare story … the hare goes running off, leaving the tortoise far behind … but who wins in the end. Why, it is the tortoise, just plugging along, keepin’ on keepin’ on, then VOILA, the winner IS the tortoise. That is how I see our guy Perry. Remember the elections here in Texas … Kay Baby had him down on the floor by many points (20, I think), but who won? Perry, by a long shot! Honey, it ain’t over till it’s over, and the fat lady has yet to sing.

    And if you didn’t see where I posted it earlier, this is your get-up-and-go music for New Year’s Eve! Rejoice and go forward, sweetie!

  • gekster

    Just because the other team hits a homerun in the first inning, it does not mean the game is lost.
    It just means we are behind in the first inning, and it takes nine to make a game.
    You only lose when you actually lose, or when you quit.

    And I have a philosyphy.
    Don’t worry until it happens, and after that, why worry about it anymore, because it has happened.
    Have faith.

  • windwaker24

    If he were to actually beat Obama, I wouldn’t be surprised, with the threat of Obama gone, if a conservative issued a primary challenge to Romney on January 20th at 12:01pm!

  • tomatin

    This is not something to be cheery about at all.

  • lizzie

    and, while I am not in the betting business, I have been thinking about the Senate contests will drive voter turnout if it is Romney (zero coattails) versus Obama (negative coattails).

    And, since I am either going to have to sell my cottage in Massachusetts in 2012 or make it my primary residence (long ugly story), I have been thinking a LOT about where my vote counts more: NY or MA.

    It is entirely possible that Brown and Warren will EACH get more total votes than Romney and Obama.

    I wonder if that has ever happened, where a Senate contest got higher votes than the Presidency, especially when everyone except Scott Brown, has a Harvard degree or tenure.

    I finally googled “Santorum” tonight. no way he gets beyond Iowa.

  • gracie

    Although I am sure they will see it since surely they have noticed the most loyal Perry folks in the US of A are right here. :)

    Oh don’t you worry; not giving up here!! Just a throwin a little hissy that Santorum is screwing up Our Rick’s Second Look. And a little p’od that Santorum got his surge right now when everybody knows he doesn’t have the money to keep on keeping on. Lord, some people need to get out of this race! That’s what this dang debate primary has has spawned…a group of unready and financially unable peeps who are hangin on past their time. ‘bye already!

    Happy New YearTexas Lady! LOL it says something about us being here on New Year’s Eve!

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    I have been for Rick before he announced and intend to vote for him if he’s on my ballot in MA on Super Tuesday!
    Carol

  • pttx333

    on occasion! ;-) The way I figure it is to give oneself permission for 5 minutes to have a roarin’ hissy fit, then ya just pick yourself up, dust off the clothing, hike up the boots and keep on truckin’. We’re made of strong stuff – just like Rick Perry. Never waver, never stumble, never waffle, never second guess oneself … just stand strong, in spite of the occasional hissy fit! ;-)

    And Happy New Year to you and yours, lady bug! I’ve had a wonderful evening here on RS and eating some scrumptious chili that my son made. At 7:56 tonight he was 49 years old! Hells bells, and I’m not near old enough to have a kid that old!!! LOL

  • gracie

    Yet, it seems awfully important that Perry comes in at least tied for third…. to keep getting backers and HEY some mention from the dang press.

    I think he is just Something to keep his attitude up in the face of all of these ups and downs. You can’t tell it by him! When Virginia looked lost he just kept on…you’d have never known. The way he rolls with the punches….well, that’s one characteristic I’d love to have in my President.

    Seems like he has some of that faith you are talkin about.

    But love your attitude! you have got it figured out how to never worry! You need to sell that.

    BTW, your pumpkin bars with the cream cheese icing were loved by all at our house at Thanksgiving! :) See, you’re always doing good deeds. Think I’ll have to skip the noodles though.

  • znjs

    I remember that used to be a big topic around here, but haven’t seen as much discussion of that anymore. Given that Bachmann is almost certain to have to drop out after Iowa I’m curious where her supporters go – I’m assuming mainly Santorum but would like to know what polling says. I also seem to remember hearing that most of Newt supporters second choice was Romney, wondering if that’s still true. He might be a surprise dropout if he does poorly enough in Iowa. And while I know that many here will say “He’s in it for the long haul” there’s a decent chance Perry drops out – I’ve heard rumors that he’s spent most of his money and his campaign staff are already justifying why they failed, so it’s a real possibility.

  • gekster

    glad with the pumkin bars.

  • tankertodd

    One hypothesis – and a path to victory – is that Romney is everyone’s second choice. Once everyone has a first choice that few others embrace, then people go to their backup, which happens to be everyone else’s backup. I imagine this is how a brokered convention can generate a consensus candidate – someone everyone can live with.

    I have no data but I’d be curious in a poll that asked the question: if your top choice doesn’t get the nomination, who would be your second choice?

  • gracie

    Texas chili! We had some on Christmas Eve. For some reason my husband always has to have homemade tamales on the Christmas table too. Not made by me; my specialty is pecan pie.

    You say you NEVER second guess yourself?? Wow, tuff Texas stock.

    Yeah, it ain’t over ’til Sheila Jackson Lee sings!

    HERE we GO……2012!!! Bye bye OBamator!! Don’t let the door slam your/ hit you on the way out.

  • pttx333

    49 year-old … and a 45 year-old daughter. But of course I’m not REALLY old enough to have such … not in my heart and mind, at any rate. I was 71 on August 31st and can’t for the life of me figure out where the years went.

    Yes, dear, I do second guess myself sometimes, but never about Perry. That is a given that he will be my choice all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in DC. Guess that is because I know exactly who he is and what he is about. It is a trust thing with me, I guess.

    Oh, boy, the WINDBAG – Sheila Jackson Lee. What a pathetic waste of skin cells she is!

    Yep, honey, gotta have tamales (spicy, of course) for Christmas. I get mine from a couple that have had a little stand for many years – fine eating they are, too! Nummy … and with the chili to go with them, there’s nothing finer.

    Yep, the b.o. family will be OUTTA there in just a little over a year from now. And all I have to say about that is … Thank God and Greyhound!

  • elayman

    I still won’t support him under any circumstances, but at least it is small comfort that Romney is the candidate left on the field solely by default. Only Huntsman could without a doubt win center right voters over, eventually. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed for the flimsiest of reasons (thanks conservatives !); and it is Mitt that has the requisite name recognition, sounds halfway presidential and is not patently damaged goods in some form . If he were genuinely liked, even by the establishment, it wouldn’t have taken 6 years and a top to bottom search for an alternative standard bearer. The struggle for unity and feigning of enthusiasm will be interesting to watch.

  • pttx333

    Perry is actually my first 20 choices, but Romney is running just above Ron Paul for me … and I don’t mean that kindly. Haven’t figured out my second yet, but it won’t be Romney or Paul, that is a given. There is no choice for me in primary except Perry, and it will remain so. No waffling here.

    Sorry I can’t help with the second choice, todd, but that is just me. Good luck in your quest!

  • benko

    ..

  • Adjoran

    I’d love a more conservative candidate than Romney, but someone who is qualified to be President, not just make a good speech with lots of red meat in it.

    In the end, the direction of the country in peacetime will not be set by the President. It is the Congress’ rightful place. If we take the Senate by enough to pass legislation, then it falls up our congressional leadership to make the tough calls on fiscal policy. The President is tasked with executing the laws which Congress passes.

    If Congress gets its mind right, Romney is well qualified to restructure the federal government. If it doesn’t, and tries to adhere to the old ways, even Reagan could not save us.

  • Adjoran

    Nobody. They tried to usurp and coopt the movement, just like TPX and TPP. Self-appointed “leaders” out to make a buck.

  • Adjoran

    Then you are in effect voting for Obama. The race is between the two of them and no one else will win a single state.

    As long as you understand this fact, and don’t try to deny your Obama support later on, it’s a free country and you may vote as you choose, of course.

    But don’t fool yourself about what it is you are doing, mmmkay?

  • Adjoran

    If Reagan ran today with his record – former Democrat, Union President, Governor who raised spending and taxes and entered several “public-private partnership” deals, you would be calling him a RINO.

    Of this there can be NO doubt.

  • gekster

    elected American Thinker.
    Which was nobody, which is my whole point.
    Get a grip.

  • red_oakster

    When was the last time a GOP candidate won Iowa with less than 30%, let alone less than 25%? My recollection is never.

    Romney may even lose to Santorum in Iowa. This is a weak candidate, folks.

  • ashland_avenue

    My father, grandfather and several uncles were used car salesmen and dealers. It takes a great command of the language to sell used cars with many unused miles. Or one with a Mogen David Transmission, ie just a little wine in it.
    Then there is the car with Mexican steering. By Manuel. Or the one with 440 air conditioning. Four windows down, forty mies an hour.
    You discredit the speaking ability of used car salesmen everywhere….
    But Happy New Year nevertheless!

  • ashland_avenue

    And I’m not running for anything.

  • red_oakster

    At best, Romney will win with the smallest plurality in GOP caucus history. And given the last poll, he even may lose to Santorum. Not good. Either is below the most recent set of expectations.

    His expected margin in New Hampshire where he is a favorite son probably will narrow a bit given his weak showing in Iowa. Also not good.

    In these circumstances, he could lose in South Carolina and be crashing and burning right in time for Florida.

    Romney eventually may consolidate his lead and cruise to victory, but he is an extraordinarily weak front runner and his performance in Iowa seems likely to confirm this.

  • renl57

    This is, after all, RedState. But there are plenty of Republicans in the Rust Belt and the Northeast too.

    Romney’s economic message might appeal to those areas. Those areas will never vote for a Gingrich, and are even unlikely to vote for another Texas governor (Perry) coming so soon after Bush.

  • renl57

    If a liberal Dem had been governor in MA back then, MA might well have ended up with a single-payer system like VT is trying to implement now. At least it would have had much more government involvement.

    Romney’s system kept private insurance in place, which is as conservative as it gets here in MA.

    It appears that the only MA Republicans that are acceptable to some folks here on RedState, are Republicans who just throw up their hands and give up on MA and just flee the state. As if a Republican working within a Dem-dominated state is like collaborating with the enemy or something.

  • renl57

    “The Republican Party elite must be defeated before Obama can be defeated.”

    Impossible. You can’t “defeat the Republican Party elite” in the middle of an election year without causing a party split that would destroy the GOP’s chances of winning.

    Every time there was an insurgent revolt against the party establishment in an election year, that party lost:

    1968: McCarthy against Humphrey, Humphrey lost

    1976: Reagan against Ford, Ford lost

    1980: Kennedy against Carter, Carter lost

    1988: Buchanan against Bush Senior, Bush Senior lost

    If you want an insurgent revolt to succeed, you need to do it in an off-year when there is time for the party to heal itself before the Presidential election.

  • renl57

    I hope you’re also an American citizen and you put that ahead of even being a conservative.

    It’s not better for America if Obama wins a second term.
    Period.

    Nothing I can foresee is a worse outcome than that.

  • dajeeps

    And 27% is a breakthrough with a MoE of 4? That’s not a statistical breakthrough, it’s noise. Add the big question mark of the undecided to this and it is anyone’s race.

    Thanks for the spin. There’s nothing like having my morning coffee with someone trying to convince everyone that the Tea Party revolution is a failure.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    that he wasn’t pro-life earlier given his faith. I think he can be trusted to stay pro-life.

  • josephine

    I agree with you. Romney is like global warming. They are pushing him down our throats with the pretense that “everybody loves him,why don’t you?”. It’s classic marketing, and yet I don’t think he stands for a thing that we need in our government.Actually I don’t think he stands for a thing. He’s a default Republican with a spineless backbone as far as I can determine. He’s what we call a “suit”. One of the millions of politically correct,non-opinioned executives roaming our country and he absolutely has no passion in his soul. He reminds me of Gore as far as his bland personality is concerned. I do not think he can pull the country together and turn back the damage that Obama has done to us. He will be too busy reaching across both the Dem aisle and the establishment repub. aisle. Maybe Paul will win the Iowa caucus and Romney will win the NH. Then Newt will scoop up the rest, except for Va. unless they get that fraud business straightened out.

  • josephine

    If everything was so rosy, why does he dodge questions and deflect pointed questions? He has lied by omission. Why wasn’t he re elected if he was so good? Why do the people of Ma that I meet say he ruined the state?
    When I look at states across the nation as an example for my state to follow, Ma and NH, and Vermont are not really in that group. No offense, but they are very different from the rest of us.
    I also believe Iowa has lost integrity in our caucus system. Those people out there must buy every cereal offered on TV.

  • josephine

    When I think of courage I do not think of Romney.
    I think of insulation from the public eye when I think of Romney. I think of stage make up.I think of stuttering and stammering and avoiding pointed questions. I think of political correctness. I think of marketing at it’s best. I think of no solutions, only foul attacks on Newt Gingrich. I think of a swishy wanna be that just can’t seem to win over America even after 5 years of running for President. I also think of Obama.

  • josephine

    I thought it a disgrace. A pack of lies and propaganda. He is obviously one of those put it in your face guys and push it on you until you finally give up.
    Don’t give up freedom. We need courage and grit in the White House. It’s going to take a powerful force to straighten us out and Romney is just a people pleaser.
    PS. I am not looking for cool. And that statement is adolescent.

  • josephine

    I keep seeing this little comment about Santorum across the bottom of the posts,occupying space.
    Santorum is an “establishment conservative”. He is big gov’t. Check his record. Even Erick Erickson said so.
    I agree with him on so many things. He is one of the problems in the Iowa caucus.

  • katem

    they will unite behind one other candidate. The latest polls out of Iowa show that Santorum is rising fast. Most of us know that Santorum will not be the nominee. He has little appeal to conservatives who are focused on economic issues and zero appeal to Independent voters and moderates of any party. And he has not been fully vetted. Once that happens, and people remember that he lost his last senate election by a huge margin, Santorum’s poll numbers will fall down to earth, just as happened to other candidates.

    A poor showing in Iowa will make it nearly impossible for Gingrich, Bachmann and even Perry (despite his financial resources) to go on. They simply won’t have momentum, which is critical at this point. At least one or two of them should drop out.

    The only non-Romney who is a serious, credible candidate and a conservative is Huntsman. He’s also the most electable candidate against Obama. And he’s on the rise in N.H.

    Conservatives should switch over to Huntsman. It’s not too late. And it’s in the interests of conservatives to support Huntsman instead of Romney — Huntsman is not a flipflopper; he has been a consistent conservative and has a core set of principles. As Erick Ericson said in a recent column, Huntsman should be the “conservative hero” in the race.

  • bzip

    My opinion of the race and the polls including the more recent DMR poll:

    The polls continue to show a general trend in Iowa:
    Newt continues to fall as does Bachmann. Romney and Paul fight for the top 2 positions. Perry continues to fight for 3rd with Santorum.

    I think it is safe to say that Perry can out do Newt in Iowa so that Perry takes 4th or better in Iowa. The polls show Newt has been going down and has been consistently tied with or lower than Perry. In addition I think it is safe to say that Perry has a really good ground game, infrastructure in place in Iowa something Newt doesn?t have so I would be shock if Perry didn?t out do Newt in Iowa.

    We don?t know what will happen with Santorum, will he continue to surge or has Perry?s attacks help stop that surge and maybe even reverse it. I know that Perry?s ground game in Iowa is outstanding and is surely going to make him competitive. Also, in the DMR poll something like 41% could still change their mind, in addition there was a +/- of 4% and no democrats were included in the poll which would aid Ron Paul?s numbers.

    My overall take from all the polls suggest Iowa as:
    Losers: Hunstman, Bachmann, Newt (where Bachmann should drop out)
    Winners: Romney, Paul, Santorum/Perry

    Santorum goes to NH (silly move) where Santorum can?t compete, loses traction and some momentum heading into SC. Santorum won?t be able to compete in SC and doesn?t do well.
    Santourm might continue on after SC but not for much longer. Newt continues to get hit hard in SC with attack ads, much like what has happen in Iowa. Newt won?t do well in SC but will continue on. Huntsman can?t compete in SC and he drops out. Perry and Romney battle it out in SC and both continue on.

    The thing about Santorum: He isn?t another Huckabee; he isn?t attracking the evangelical Christians like Huckabee did. There is a reason why Santorum has been stuck polling at 4-5%, he isn?t that likeable charismatic like Huckabee (no I don?t agree with Huckabee?s politics but he is a likeable guy, enjoyable to listen to). Santorum is a one state guy; he is only going as far as Iowa and that is because of the nature of Iowa.

    Much like what Erick suggested in his article; No Surprise, Iowa Social Conservatives Are About To Shoot Us All in the Foot Again;
    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/28/no-surprise-iowa-social-conservatives-are-about-to-shoot-us-all-in-the-foot-again/ Santorum could easily spoil it for people that do have a chance like: Rick Perry.

    The more and the longer the anti-Romney candidates split up the votes the greater the chances are the Romney becomes the nominee. Does anyone honestly see or think Santorum could compete and win the nomination from Romney.

  • jimmyg

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/is-rick-perry-the-iowa-dark-horse/250729/

    Is Rick Perry the Iowa Dark Horse?

  • bzip

    It is a good article and only reaffirms my belief in Perry doing well in Iowa.

    In spite of the media blackout, Perry is having his own little surge. The media is too busy reporting: “Santorum surging, Newt falling” over and over that little is said about Perry’s upswing which is “real”

  • znjs

    where the polls show a trend that favors Perry, namely Newt falling, you assume the trend will continue and it’s “safe to say” Perry wins that matchup. Where the polls show a trend that doesn’t favor Perry, namely Santorum blowing by Perry, you go start questioning whether that trend will continue or not and assume it will be a competitive fight. Is that the basic gist of your post?

    Also I disagree about skipping NH. No, neither Santorum or Perry can do well there. But having to skip states altogether looks bad. It looks like you’re not running a professional campaign. Santorum doesn’t have to do well in NH, he just has to do better then Perry – which he almost certainly will now – and be competitive with Newt. He can then try to steal those supporters and push them out of the race with the justification that he’s winning over them.

    I do share your concerns about Santorum being able to beat Romney. That said honestly I’m not sure that Perry can either. He needs a 3rd place finish in Iowa to have a shot, and It just doesn’t look like that’s going to happen.

  • johnt

    The fossils want a Denny Hastert/Bob Michel squish, someone who will keep the bank vault open so as to provide them with the sort of $$ that Dems have plundered. Plus, they have a natural aversion to principles, conservatives give them goose bumps.
    The media knows that Romney, especially in the debates, will fall just short of parking Obama’s car, holding the door for him, and shining his shoes. Mitt has been around, but he can’t even hallucinate what they have in store for him.

  • Scope

    I believe the Santorum surge is a media made surge, not a true and credible surge. No one that I know of is showing his events, which are attracting little in the audience. If they show anything about those events over the last few days, the camera stays on him, and doesn’t pan the audience. Apparently Santorum knows that many are concerned with his lack of money and organization, and has had to reassure voters that he is planning on staying in the race after Iowa. I had read at one point that he wasn’t running many ads in Iowa, other than his Christmas ad. The voters at the caucuses must be made aware of the fact Santorum has little chance of continuing after Iowa even if he wins.

    I guess it’s true that winning in the top three in Iowa gives those candidates momentum, but it didn’t prove to be lasting momentum for Huckabee. He was broke before his Iowa win, and wound up broke again shortly after his win, even with a slight bump in fundraising. The same thing would happen with Santorum.

    One of the things that I am impressed with are the people who will be representing Perry at some of the caucuses. From what I’m reading he has some high level, and important people in their communities which hopefully can influence the voters. No doubt they are working hard to get the large crowds out to Perry’s campaign stops, which is also impressive.

  • circlegranch

    considering Ron Paul goes nowhere after IA; Mitt Romney may take NH but he was always favored to do so. It’s the elite, northeastern element of the GOP; its his for the taking because its his home turf. It would be fun to see Huntsman give him a run for it, but either way, its a primary the others can write off. Whenever a ‘home turf’ candidate in that region runs, its going to go in their favor. The danger for Mitt comes in SC and Florida. He is not a southern boy and in spite of Nikki Haley turn-coating on the tea party, he will not carry SC. Re: FL, Rick Scott and Rick Perry are friends and fellow members of the GOP Governor’s Assoc. As we saw in ’08, the FL sitting governor can make a big impact on how goes FL. We will soon witness the fortitude, discernment and courage of Gov. Scott.

    Both Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich are dangerous threats to Romney by the time the race rolls down to SC and FL.

    Regarding the VA ballot issue, notice that late-comer’s Gingrich, Santorum and Huntsman all want a piece of the legal action now to get on the ballot? Lest we forget which candidate showed LEADERSHIP and had the courage FIRST to take the VA GOP on. Rick Perry. He was not afraid to stand up and ask questions and challenge the status quo even when his critics were saying, “is this TOO risky a move? Is Perry just showing desperation?” When it was time to lead and time to act, he did it. Mitt Romney didn’t have the courage to stand up and ask for clarification to be sure the process was fair. No, he used it as a chance to ridicule those that didn’t qualify and went to so far as to insert Lucille Ball into the conversation. Very Obama-like of him. Next thing we’ll hear is his own version of the bitter clinger theory. He seems to enjoy a joke when at the expense of others but can’t man up and stand up for his fellow contenders when a myriad of unaswered questions surround a situation.

    We’re not done here. If IA caucus goers refuse to acknowledge Santorum’s background and record in Congress (political pundit, Charlie Cook notes today that Santorum’s IA surge is due entirely to the fact that his record has NOT been scrutinzed.) If IA caucus goers think ignoring the dangerous foreign policy of Ron Paul is a good plan at such a threatening time in world history, then their opinions are irrelevant because the rest of the nation will not agree with them as state after state goes to the polls.

    If IA caucus goers turn a blind eye to the shortcomings of Mitt Romney thinking his Hollywood good looks are enough to defeat Obama, then their votes aren’t worth much. A few headliners on him have broken in the last 2 days but good luck finding Karl Rove or Ann Coulter or others racing to microphones to talk about them. Maybe EE can find willing ears in IA (other than those of corn) to pay attention to:

    Matt Romney ‘jokes’ that his dad will release his tax records if Obama releases his birth certificate. Whoa! Weren’t Republicans that talked like Birthers told to shut up and sit down just a matter of weeks ago? Rick Perry has blasted up one side and down the other when he kinda sorta walked up to the Birther pool but really didn’t put a toe in it, yet Reince Prebius, the all-knowing leader of the RNC told The Hill’s Alicia M. Cohn on 10/20/11, “Republicans, including Rick Perry, should drop the Birther issue.” Thus also sayeth Karl Rove, Bill O’Reilly, a laundry list of sitting Congressmen and Senators including McCain, Boehner and Cantor. Oh, we get it. When ‘idiots’ like Rick Perry or Donald Trump talk about it, they should be discredited and deserve a plummeting of poll numbers. When it haphazardly slips from a Romney tongue, it was simply ‘ a joke’. Well, that joke has already made its way to an Obama coffee mug according to an ad / fundraiser showing up online. And, no doubt young Matt Romney’s words will be recounted in a campaign ad. Darn, and the RNC just told us recently to be nice and not say anything offensive toward Mr. Obama personally. But, as we’ve come to realize, such things only matter when they come from certain campaigns, and conversely, are forgiven and quickly buried and never see the light of the media day when coming from others.

    Also, IA values voters, take heed of this: If you vote for Romney in your caucus yet claim to be a staunch pro-lifer, how do you reconcile the fact that your candidate opted to go public as a pro-choicer in ’94 when internal polling told him he could not beat Ted Kennedy for the Senate seat if he remained pro-life. As reported in the new book, “Mitt Romney: An Insider Look at the Man and His Politics”, your candidate personally appeared before leadership of the Mormon Church in Salt Lake City to tell them of his scheme. He would publicly and politically change to pro-choice in order to be competitive against Kennedy, but privately he would be pro-life. He lost that bid in ’94 but he never flipped back to pro-life publicly. In fact, he stuck with is pro-choice stance all the way to ’08 when he decided if he wanted to now attract conservative votes, he better switch.

    Your #1 candidate leading the polls, Iowa, is a man that threw the unborn under his campaign bus in response to polls and for political expediency. Who is next? Are you comfortable going to church today and talking to your peers about your choice in the caucus on Tueday?

    And, let’s not forget another flip flop that occurred in IA the last few days. When asked, Romney was quick and firm in saying he’d veto the Dream Act. The Dream Act, as pending in Congress, provides a path to citizenship for young people willing to serve in our military. After realizing he may be criticized for his ‘veto’ comment, he then flopped and said he’d support certain components of the Dream Act and would agree with the military service in exchange for citizenship portion of the bill. The bill likely won’t come to his desk in the Oval Office in neat, compartmentalized components. He won’t get to pick and choose which ssues he signs and which he doesn’t because the bill will only reach his desk once Congress has debated it over and over again after receiving input from their districts. Again, picture a campaign ad rolling out next fall of tearful children being dragged away from parents and aging grandparents in wheelchairs. Heart-wrenching scenarios connected to Mitt Romney’s positions on how to handle the immigration issues. Imagine TV ad’s of the faces of weathered ranchers in Texas talking about how under Romney’s plan, they will be forced to forfeit land handed down generation to generation so that a fence can be built when a drone or electronic fence could do the same job. Imagine TV ad’s of illegals that have served the U.S. in Afghanistan or Iraq, talking about how they believe their service shouldn’t be a political football for Mitt Romney. Mr. Romney is appeasing the ‘load them up and ship them out like cattle’ faction of the one-issue immigration voters. It will not work and he’s already losing to Obama with Hispanic voters by about 65% to 23% according to Pew Hispanic polling data released this week.

    IA seems heck-bent on promoting Mitt Romney, who is wrought with problems that thus far have been seldom disclosed. IA seems comfortable with promoting Ron Paul that would be more dangerous to America in terms of foreign policy than any president in modern history. IA seems o.k. with taking the word of Rick Santorum that he’s proud of his earmark votes in Congress and they don’t question why his own state of PA soundly defeated his re-election bid by almost 20 points.

    At this point, on the brink of a brand new year that should be about new beginnings, taking a fresh new look and approach to the issues of the day, being willing to do a recheck on our own sensibilities and opinions, it sure seems the good folks of IA are content with sticking to the old and often failed habits of the RNC and GOP in the past. Go with the flip flopper; go with the big spender in Congress that has helped saddle your grandkids with debt they can never live long enough to repay; go with the wacky little man with a dangerous, demented foreign policy view. Do what you must. Hopefully, the rest of the country will come to their senses before its too late.

  • carolina

    This guy presented a piece that said that “flip flopping” was good. People should change their minds when they learn more, etc.
    I am frankly stunned.
    The ‘fix’ is really in.

  • carolina

    This guy presented a piece that said that “flip flopping” was good. People should change their minds when they learn more, etc.
    I am frankly stunned.
    The ‘fix’ is really in.

  • elayman

    Rick Perry would be the best news President Obama could hear and Huntsman was sent to China as his worst nightmare for a reason.

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  • SoFiMil

    It was Mitt Romney’s son who made the joke about Obama’s transcript and birth certificate. The son immediately apologized after.

  • bzip

    My analysis is based on two things; Poll trends and ground game infrastructure.

    In the case of Newt: Newt’s poll numbers trend down and he doesn’t have much of a ground game (at least compared to: Perry, santorum, Paul and Romney). So I expect Newt to finish behind them.

    In the case of Santorum: His poll numbers are trending upward and he does have “some” ground game but I don’t think his ground game is as good as Perry’s making Perry perhaps competitive.

    In the Case of Perry: His poll numbers have been on a upward trend and he does have a really good ground game in place. Making Perry far more competitive than Newt for the 4th or higher place. It really depends upon Santorum and what “surge” he has.

    Now in the NH race, I disagree. If Santorum places high (3rd or better) there is going to be high expectations of Santorum with momentum. Santorum is going to be beaten to death in NH, I don’t think that is a surprise. He won’t be able to meet the expectations and his momentum will start to peter out. No, I don’t think anyone expects him to “win” NH but he will be expected to come in 2nd or 3rd at the very least and I don’t think he can do it with: Romney, Paul, and Newt all competing in NH.

    Now considering Santorum has very little resources/money and he has to do well in SC and NH is already a given to Romney I think the wiser move is to skip NH and focus on SC. I know, we will have to agree to disagree :-) .

  • Ausonius

    They are betting that Romney will be a very polite candidate, “above the fray” and “high-minded” like McCain, and appropriately go down graciously and courteously in flames like a good East Coast RINO.

    Worst case for the MSM: Romney actually wins, but being an East Coast RINO, he will still be liberal enough to keep their big-spending, government-growing, pro-abortion agenda going.

  • dpmapper

    Thinking purely electorally for a minute, Huntsman would have two invaluable and unique assets in the general election.

    1) Bipartisanship isn’t really viewed in high favor around here, because it often is achieved via a capitulation on policy. However, it looks good in a general election because swing voters are anti-partisan by definition. Huntsman’s ambassadorship appears “bipartisan” without him actually having given up anything regarding policy.

    2) Obama would prefer to attack our nominee, making him/her personally unacceptable to the electorate, rather than relying on policy arguments. Huntsman is unimpeachable by Democrats on personal grounds, since Obama appointed Huntsman ambassador. Any insinuations that Huntsman is crazy, stupid, or dastardly, or anything like that would fall flat.

  • seanl

    that changes everything. It’s not like this whole website has been one big advertisement for Rick Perry. LOL.

  • bs61

    He seems so fake and so politiciianary – and the hair!

  • bs61

    Perry was great in the one-on-one interviews to me, and not at all salesman like!

  • bzip

    I initially agree that the Santorum surge was a media driven surge but I am afraid the self fulling prophecy is taking place. The media driven surged caused a actual surge BUT I don’t know just how much of a surge and how much of it might have been stop by Perry’s attacks. I don’t think Santorum’s surge is as hot as the media would like us to believe.

    I guess we won’t know till Tues/Wed. I truly believe Perry is having a really good surge that the media is blacking out and it won’t surprise me if Perry has a much better showing in Iowa than anyone may think. Of course all the media will be saying, where did that come from :-) .

    Perry has a really good, very sound ground game that I think will surprise many.

    I wish it was the end of Jan and we were at a Romney Perry two person race so I could settle my nerves down a bit :-) .

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I support Perry

  • Scope

    That it was “Matt” Romney who made the birther remark. For him to apologize for making the remark, and causing his dad possible harm by saying it, Matt Romney flip flopped on his original remark. It’s getting a little hard to keep accepting apologies for positions people have taken, or things they have said, when it appears that those apologies are many times made for expediency, rather than asking for real forgiveness. This reminds me of the Imus remark, which he lost his job over. Even though he apologized, that wasn’t enough, he didn’t give enough pounds of flesh with his words of apology. He had to prove over and over that he was truly repentant before he was allowed to earn a living again.

  • Scope

    My stomach has been in knots for days, and I am feeling very on edge. I just want to wake up on Wed. to see Fox having to report a strong Perry win in Iowa.

    I read an article somewhere that claimed that while Santorum is in fact rising, his “surge” has not been as great as Perry’s surge. Of course that is not news because it contains the word Perry.

  • elayman

    Independents and disaffected Democrats are attracted more than anything I think to Huntsman for his civil, even keeled way of doing business ? a thoughtful, intelligent, no-nonsense, no drama candidate who seems like a genuinely good person that can (hopefully) work respectfully with the opposition to get practical legislation through Congress. The only candidate that is conservative but doesn’t turn off independent voters who prioritize consistency, intelligence, anti-political corruption and a deep knowledge regarding foreign affairs as realms of importance in a president over ideology or party history. I agree that it would be very difficult for the president to criticize Huntsman in the way that some may see as necessary or argue that he will not lead the country in the right direction since it was Obama himself who appointed him to perhaps the most important diplomatic position in US foreign policy.

    There will clearly still be sharp, substantive differences between Huntsman and Obama on economic policy. But the fact of the appointment definitely neutralizes negative character attacks or questions of competence to make on the spot diplomatic decisions in a crisis situation (not that there would ever be any doubt).

    Huntsman’s ideas are also bolder and fresher than any candidate – with consistent themes running through all the policies, national and international. Newt is more scattershot and anecdotal with a deep understanding of bureaucracy but ideological underpinnings all over the map. Jon presents a more upbeat, faster paced, energetic approach that shows he has spent a great deal of time thinking seriously about how to prioritize and resolve complicated world/domestic problems. One reason for being posted to China was that he was probably the senior government official with the deepest knowledge of Asian culture, languages and customs. Even Gingrich seemed intimidated by his second to none level of engagement in their debate last month.

  • septembergurl

    And huntsman has two other assets besides the ones you mention in the general election against Obama:

    1. Deep pockets. Though his fundraising has been meager and his own fortune is less than Romney’s, Huntsman has a very wealthy billionnaire father who is funding H’s PAC, which can more than match the billion Obama is going to raise.

    2. Foreign policy. I know Republicans and conservatives find this hard to grasp, judging by all the candidates attacking Obama as an appeaser etc, but Obama is actually viewed by most Americans as successful in foreign policy. in fact, it’s his only real area of success in polling. Yes yes, I know, he spent much time surrendering and apologizing — but also pursued Bush’s WOT with great success, and that’s what people see. You say Appeaser, Obama says Bin Laden. Game over. Huntsman is the only candidate with extensive foreign policy experience and with a comprehensive world view that matches up well against Obama’s.

    And yes, the ambassadorship is a double-edged sword. It works against Huntsman in the primary, but in the general election it would be hard for Obama to make the kind of personal attacks he favors against someone he vouched for by appointing him to an extremely important and sensitive post.

  • nuclear139

    Mitt Romney is the dream candidate for Obama because he can use Romney’s record in business to hide his attacks on our free market capitalism. Worse is the fact the Romney coming from money and graduating from Havard is ripe for the type of class warfare arguments liberals love to use. The election will be a referendum on the success of free enterprise and financial innovation as well as the rich who “pay no taxes” or ” pay less than a secretary” because Romney tax returns which he refuse to release. Who ever put this RINO a top the field should be ashamed their giving Obama a platform on which to run and even more terrible a second term. Thank You GOP establishment for choosing Romney and sticking us with four more years of the same failure.

  • drothgery

    Which makes Mitt the most conservative who can win by default.

  • curtmilr

    have an insurgent revolt in the off year congressional election of 2010!
    What is lacking is a consolidation of the thrust of the TEA Party led revolt. Perhaps you forgot how we threw out several RINO incumbents, as well as thrashing the Dems. Yes, some of the candidates weren’t up to the task, and lost.

    The GOP establishment has used that as a pretense to attack the TEA Party Caucus and every candidate not solidly under their control, in other words all not-Romney candidates, violating the 11th Commandment.

    If this holds to form, Mitt will get the nomination but, like McCain, forfeit any pretense of conservative or TEA Party enthusiasm, and lose the general election. I would drag myself to the polls to vote against Obama, but could never be enthusiastic in support of Romney.

    So my hope is that the process drags out long enough, and proportional delegate counts dilute consolidation enough, that we go to the convention without a clear nominee. I then further hope that a consensus ticket would result with a conservative/TEA head to the ticket and an establishment VP that would energize the ENTIRE constellation. The establishment candidate on top merely replays 2008′s tepid conservative turnout. With Obama/Clinton the opposing ticket, it will require galvanized, consolidated enthusiasm across the right side spectrum to defeat that axis of evil.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Erick has a new diary up on the front page asking Santorum supporters to make their case. Why don’t you drag your obnoxious, ignorant self over there and actually post something that makes a case for your candidate. You know, you could maybe tell us how Santorum is going to create those “job” thingys. Or how he’s going to reduce spending.

    Get to it sonny. We’re waiting for you to make your case.

    Can’t wait.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Happy New Year, Everybody!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    you’re opinion doesn’t matter.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    One of the marks of a conservative is that they are rational. You’ve not written anything at Redstate that even remotely suggest you’re rational.

  • burke

    It’s a long shot, but maybe a strong showing in NH and FL could keep him in the picture and encourage some Romney voters who have dismissed him as non-viable to give him a second look. More scrutiny from the media might show conservatives who initially dropped him because of the global warming comments to realize he’s with them on the issues that really matter. Substance matters more than style, and it’s his style that appeals to independents and moderate/liberal Republicans (who might stay home, or even vote for Obama if the nominee is, say, Santorum). I can see Romney making more concessions on substance (which is what he did in Massachusetts), which is worse.

  • BigRedConservative

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  • renl57

    The Santorum surge is the result of Gingrich losing momentum. And we can certainly attribute that to the media (both liberal AND conservative media) reminding the public about Gingrich’s past.

    We’ve seen this square dance before: Perry flops, then Cain rises as the alternative. Cain flops, then Gingrich rises as the alternative. Gingrich peaks too early, so now it’s Santorum’s turn.

    This conspiracy theory that the media is manipulating the primary process is nuts. The real problem is how desperate some Republicans are to latch on to any poorly vetted candidate as an alternative to Romney–and then having to switch again later.

  • thirstyboots

    Gingrich was liked because people had forgot who he is. Now his favs/unfavs are upside down even with Republican voters in Iowa. He’s still holding 2nd place nationally because people in later states aren’t really paying much attention.

    That’s exactly the issue. Every time people actually pay attention to a non-Romney candidate, he goes down.

  • thirstyboots

    Only the second choice of some and the third choice of a few. And he’s that. Just read the polls internals. Look how Romney polls in terms of second choice and questions like “would not consider supporting this candidate”.

  • tankertodd

    It’s too soon to settle!

  • SoFiMil

    Misread M-a-t-t for Mi-i-t-t. Even with the word “dad” in your sentence, I still misread it. Perhaps there’s soomething to that saying about apples and trees.

    I’ll read more closely in the future.

  • carolynr

    I said that if Romney is elected, the Republican Party will go the way of the Whigs…the former Republican Party. The country is mad and with the action of the Congress concerning the XL Pipeline and the supposed tax cut…which is really a cut to revenues into SS…people have had it. Romney is not a leader…the man panders…and to me…he panders to the Democrats.

    Case in point…why he was advised to go pro-choice because he could never win in MA as pro-life…..so what did he do…he changed…forgetting principle. Well…America has had it…I’m not even sure if it isn’t too late now…but we’re done and if Willard continues on with Obama’s policies…nobody will vote Republican and a third party will emerge….and I bet it comes out of the tea party. I don’t like this any more than you do….but people are mad…and the government keeps doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

  • texasref

    I agree 100% with your sentiment in your comment, just wanted to clarify that a squishy Republican like McCain, at least you know where he stands, unlike the Flip Flopper in Chief WannaBe.

  • texasref

    Which makes Mitt the most dangerous Republican, and what’s worse, and I agree with Erick Erickson on this one, he will lose the general to Obama.

    I’m not interested in immaculating a spineless powermonger just so he can lose to Obama. No thank you. I’d prefer a random name from the phone book over Romney.

  • circlegranch

    and making sure we all dot our ‘i’s’ and cross our ‘t’s’ and that’s the way it should be. I’m the FIRST to admit that I don’t do a good job getting my points across. My muddled brain runs faster than my impaired keyboarding abilities. I know what I think I know and sure try to help others along to my way of thinkin’. Makes for a dangerous combo!

    Getting back to the issue, I think the take-away for me and what I was trying to express is, Romney, aided and abetted by the media, will skate on this. There was nothing any more sinister or deviant or disrespectful to Obama in Perry’s comments in Oct than there was in young Romney’s off the cuff remark. Yet, Perry suffered for it. He was asked a loaded question and he answered. For days, the Right media scalded him over it (looking for any & all easy opportunities, I believe). Every so-called brainiac that has online access beat up Perry for supposedly opening a closed issue. Only an idiot would do such a thing, they chimed. Young Romney brought the subject up out of the blue even after his daddy has repeatedly avoided ever going after Obama in a personal way.

    Romney goes unscathed….for now. The general election is another story.

  • texasref

    seanl is right for the wrong reasons when he says if Romney becomes our nominee we are all screwed. I agree because it probably leads to Obama’s re-election.

    However, to paraphrase Rummy, “you go to war with the candidate you have.” And I support whoever becomes our nominee.

    Or maybe I misunderstood your retort to seanl in which case I apologize.

  • SoFiMil

    Thanks, and Happy New Year Circle-G.

  • texasref

    unless Romney wins Iowa in which case I will support whoever came in 2nd. We need to get behind someone who can stop this guy.

    Moral dilemma: If that person is Ron Paul.

  • pttx333

    that to the bank. Why on earth would I settle for a chicken neck when there is filet mignon right before my eyes? Perry is a total keeper, and I will do all I can to carry him many paces ahead at the finish line.

    Don’t know what all the fuss is about – everyone dithering, waffling and buying into the smears without a shred of evidence. In the elections here in Texas, Perry has been thoroughly vetted – and then some! And he WILL take this election straight to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue!

  • SoFiMil

    This is why I’d favor Huntsman over Romney, even though Romney’s closer ideology-wise to men than Huntsman.

  • znjs

    They’ve got their final Iowa poll coming out sometime between 11 and midnight ET tonight, but tweeted that

    “Still very close between Romney and Paul, Santorum not too far behind but probably still 3rd”

    Their last poll had Santorum tied for 5th with Perry at 10% behind not only Newt but Bachmann as well, so obviously he’s made a big jump in their polling too.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    And once the general hits we’ll never hear again about the birther Romneys. Of course not. Obama will never use that against him.

  • katem

    about Huntsman. Would just add that he should be able to do well in South Carolina too. Huntsman has been endorsed by some key people in SC. He just needs to start getting on the air with some positive ads.

  • bogeyman

    What state are you from? Does your state have a personal income tax? A sales tax? New Hamphsire has neither (we do have a Room & Meals tax). When one combines all state and locals taxes collected, New Hampshire has one of the lowest per capita tax burdens in the country.

    New Hampshire has an unpaid, citizen legislature that only meets for part of the year. I do not know what the recent numbers are, but historically it has had the leading economy in the northeast for years.

    LIVE FREE OR DIE!

  • nancysabet

    He will lose anyway.

  • nancysabet

    thank you

  • justonevoice

    eom

  • Common_Cents

    One of them needs to be knocked out or drop out early in order for the other to consolidate support to take on romney. If both of them stay in for a period of time, it pretty much guarantees a romney nomination.

    Perry has a chance to surprise if his ground game is that good while being under the radar. If he doesn’t, I don’t see him picking up any momentum in NH, SC, and FL. Gingrich has to stay in top 3-4 in IA.

  • ihateliberals

    I would rather lose with a candidate that at least tries to be conservative than RINO’s and Liberals like the a fore mentioned.

  • MOlsen6

    You would rather get BHO re-elected than have President Romney? You are aware that this site is RedState.com … and round these parts, BHO isn’t particularly popular, right?

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Franz Rule.