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Florida update: Mitt Romney to win by 10

By: Neil Stevens (Diary)  |  January 30th, 2012 at 01:00 PM  | 

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It’s popular to talk down polling, but from where I sit, the polling of the primaries has been pretty good. Yes, Iowa was terrible, but that was a caucus. The primary polling has been solid.

Florida’s polling has lined up in a nice, neat band for every candidate, making it easy to say Mitt Romney is going to win tomorrow.

Real Clear Politics, the indispensable feed of the latest polls, shows 7 polls ending the weekend, and 4 more ending Friday. They all put Mitt Romney in a range of 36-44. To see an 8 point range over 11 polls is not surprising when the polls all have margins of error around 3-5. Newt Gingrich? He’s shown in a range of 26-32, a 6 point range in the same circumstances.

We’re in that rare and special spot when we have so many polls taken all at once, that the statistical properties of polling become visually apparent. We can reasonably project from these polls that Mitt Romney’s true value is at 40. Newt Gingrich’s true value 29. Rick Santorum shows up at 13.5. Ron Paul clocks in with a 9.5.

So, as a result of the wealth of the polling we’re seeing, barring some very last minute, unexpected news like Rick Santorum dropping out today, I’m expecting a double-digit Mitt Romney win tomorrow, but he’ll come short of a majority. I still expect us to start seeing majority wins by Super Tuesday, though.

Crossposted from Unlikely Voter

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  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    at least in FL is that it is likely that the argument about splitting the conservative vote doesn’t even hold water. Mitt is within striking distance of equaling the combined totals of his two primary opponents. I am not so sure now a Santorum withdrawal would even impact the race at this point. It looks like Romney is going to lock this up by Super Tuesday.

  • angryguy77

    Spare the “its a vote for Chairman O”, I know full well what will happen.But I will not vote for a guy the establishment rammed down my throat just to beat Obama. Why vote for someone who will damage the brand of conservatism for years to come just to beat Obama? I know how bad Obama is for this country, but lets be real, if we are that close to collapse where one more term would do us in, we were screwed to begin with. Mittens has given me no reason to think that he will reverse the course we are on drastically enough.

  • acat

    I’ll vote for Romney if he’s the nominee, but I will work as I am able to prevent that scenario.

    Don’t be an idiot.

    Mew

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    You clearly are too uneducated to understand what Obama’s actually doing.

    Get educated, and maybe one day you’ll have smart opinions.

  • streiff

    when you were advocating the idea that it would be good thing if the GOP was out of power as a way to punish them.

    how exactly has that worked out for us?

  • The_Rebel

    because once Romney is the nominee, if past is precedent, talk like this will get you banned.

  • conservativemusician

    If you cannot support our eventual nominee (even if it Romney), then you are part of the problem.

  • tngal

    The polls taken this weekend show a shift back to the single digit range. The kiss of Palin, the Ron Reagan campaining, and the Cain nod could all help to bring down that double digit win. Cain carried Florida Tea Partiers way back and a straw poll of FL TeaParty Patriots last night had Gingrich winning the poll with 31, Santorum second with 18.

    While Palin/Reagan and Cain might not sound like a big deal, consider Palin and Cain still had (have) people wanting to write them in at their polling places. They are as staunch as some Paulies out there, but this could nudge a few off that track. The three of them together getting a lot of pub today and tomorrow could bring that double digit lead down a notch or 3.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Romney’s leads on the polls ending Sunday:

    5, 7, 14, 15, 20

    Romney’s leads on the polls ending Saturday:

    8, 16

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    If I take a Median here, I get Mittens +14.5.

  • jaykali

    I am really tired of this line of argument by talk radio and blogosphere that the republican establishment is gathered in a smoky room planning to take over the world ala the episode of the simpsons where Rush Limbaugh and Wolfcastle select Sideshow bob as the republican nominee. It turns out EVERYBODY is establishment except ACTUAL establishment types like I don’t know former speakers of the house. I thought the establishment was like people who served in DC for a long time but evidently that’s not the case?

    I just thing it’s a dog chasing its tail trying to fight the ‘evil republican establishment’. I know republicans got too comfortable with big govt under Bush and the Tea Party is in large part a reaction to all big govt ideas. But I do think with a lot of new Tea Party blood in congress that things are moving in the right direction. I know that ppl are not convinced bc Boehner in the gang have not got much done but I would argue that its near impossible with a democratic president and only control of 1 chamber. If the republicans get all 3 and cant get any significant reduction in spending, tax reform, etc than fine. but I think ppl expected 2010 would immediately turn into big legislative wins and I think that was naive.

    I do think for the most part alot of big govt conservatives have gotten flushed out between 2006 and soon 2012 so I do not think the establishment is holding us back.

    I do think its ironic to put all of ones eggs in the Newt basket as a ‘small govt’ conservative. I dont think building a base on the moon is small govt idea. If anything conservatives should be annoyed with all 3 candidates but in this zero sum game where 1 candidate HAS to be the real conservative we can rally around, somehow Newt won that title. I still dont buy it.

  • BillC

    Mitt’s outspending Newt at least 5 to 1. The last two polls at RCP have Mitt with less than a ten point lead over Newt and have the Newt plus Santorum numbers 7 over Mitt’s.

    There are two primaries here. One to determine who is going up against Mitt. If Santorum drops it will consolidate the ABR vote and the ABR money. If Mitt can’t have the spending advantage he has in Florida there is every reason to believe he won’t win.

  • WillWong

    my friend! We are left with 4….one libertarian, one moderate/liberal, one conservative with baggage, one big government conservative. Take your pick!

  • BillC

    Obama got Obamacare passed and we got a permanent majority in the House filled with enough conservatives to make a difference. If Obamacare is repealed then the only legacy of Obama will be his two justices. Bad but not insurmountable.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    If you think we can keep our current one without working our butts off again, you’re playing into Nancy Pelosi’s hand.

  • WillWong

    To be honest, if Romney becomes the nominee, it wouldn’t matter much to me being banned or not!

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    1) I wouldn’t assume that Mitt cannot outspend any challenger the rest of the way. I would bet he can if he needs to.

    2) Do not assume that if Santorum drops out that all his votes go to Newt,. I would bet that some and maybe even a fair amount go to Mitt.

  • BillC

    There is a lot of time to beat Romney. We are 5 weeks away from Super Tuesday, I think Santorum will be out by then. Gingrich still leads in the national polls. When the race consolidates Gingrich will start to get more money.

    I will still vote for the nominee whoever that may be but it still is a toss up at this point.

  • codenametimna

    A new InsiderAdvantage poll conducted Sunday night of likely Republican voters in the state of Florida shows a significant surge for former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. It shows Romney at 36 percent vs. Gingrich’s 31 percent. Remember, Gingrich is supposedly surging so that 31 percent will probably rise over the next 36 hours.

    May the best man win. If Romney goes on to win he will receive just half of the delegates he would have otherwise received if Florida hadn’t moved its primary up to an earlier date. Gingrich has already made it clear he’ll take this fight to the convention if necessary too.

    I agree that if Rick Santorum humbly bowed out before the primary in Florida most of Santorum’s votes would probably go to Newt. Unfortunately hundreds of thousands of Floridians have already voted, so it wouldn’t necessarily affect the outcome in a significant way. Santorum must decide if it’s worth it to see a Massachusetts moderate (some say liberal) go on to win the Republican nomination instead of a more conservative and much more accomplished Newt Gingrich. Santorum’s money is almost exhausted and he doesn’t have a comprehensive ground game in place to go the long haul. Obviously he has to make that decision and so far he seems determined to stay in the race.

    Since I consider Romney an Obama ‘lite’ and the fact that Romneycare = Obamacare on almost every level, Romney has really nothing to contrast Obama in the general election if Romney actually garnered the Republican nomination. Except perhaps many years in the private sector gutting companies that many of them later went belly up while Romney still made millions (hundreds of millions) of dollars in profit regardless of the outcome of the companies that eventually went bankrupt and/or the thousands of people who lost their jobs as a result.

    Obama, on the other hand, had NO executive experience before becoming president and yet it didn’t seem to hurt his chances in winning the 2008 presidential race. Go figure. Rick Santorum could theoretically make a comeback but so far the polls don’t show it. I’d actually rather see Santorum get the Republican nomination because he has the greatest contrast to Obama and he has deeper social conservative convictions than either Gingrich or Romney do.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    You confused me, RMJ.

    I took the median of Romney’s readings to get his true value. I took the median of Newt’s readings, and got his true value.

    What I didn’t look at were the *gaps*. The gap between the candidates has double the MoE.

  • jaykali

    Hes been all over the map too. Newt likes to be ahead of the curve on big ideas and sometimes that means he jumps on the wrong bandwagon. Certainly that means you have hits and misses. It’s easier to take positions after the lines have been drawn. Green energy is the biggest example, you have now embarrassing audio/video/quotes for politicians now but things weren’t so cut and dry several years ago. I mean who would have thought green energy would be controversial? But it is bc it turned into a big govt tool.

    But so I am saying that Gingrich has had flip flops or non-conservative ideas of his own. The ones that annoy me are the recent ones like him attacking Bain capital or wanting to build a space station on the moon. I dont think a ‘pure’ conservative left. Maybe you could have argued Perry or Bachmann fit that category but not Gingrich.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    and I was mean enough to enjoy seeing you confused just once. I’ll admit it’s a rare occurance.

  • tngal

    Because that’s when Palin/Reagan/Cain really hit the scene. So I didn’t look at polls that included Friday or prior. The Insider advantage was 1/29 only . The ppp 1/28 + 1/29. Romney up by 5 and 7 respectively.

    The Suffolk U on both Sat and Sun. (as was ppp) had romney up by 20 jellybeans!

    So that begs the question, whose more believeable PPP or Suffolk? PPP has 7, Suff at 20.

    That leaves us with Ras and a Romney 16 win, Done on sat only.

    So, a 5, 7, 16, (and a 20 outlier which I unceremoniously tossed in the trash), leaves Romney with 7 or 8 jellybeans .

    (And no, Neil I don’t know math from hard boiled eggs, but it just sounded better than double digits.)

  • revivalrebel

    If you can honestly believe this crap about “not voting for a guy the establishment rammed down my throat” then you are an imbecile. I look back over these last 3 plus years and see the devastating hit that my way of life took. I look FORWARD and see the TOTAL destruction that awaits. Its like a hurricane, you can watch it building strength and see that the destructive path engulfs us all. Yes, we are just ONE term from the abyss. IF obama-care is allowed to take FULL effect the damage will be catastrophic and beyond repair. We can avert that by voting him out along with getting the Senate and strengthening the House. WAKE UP!!!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Every single poll I cited above is from the weekend. There were 7 weekend polls.

    I see no justification for your cherry picking.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Thanks!

    A hippie also got tasered at Berkeley’s library a few years ago. Horrible video – but the audio of him whining and getting repeatedly tasered for it was priceless.

  • BillC

    1) He may outspend Gingrich but not by a factor of 5 or greater. In SC, Romney outspent Gingrich but still lost. If you need to outspend your opponent by 5 to 1 and you still only win by 10 (or less if you look at the latest polls) then you have a problem. Also, Gingrich still leads in national polling which goes to show that Romney’s Florida numbers are about his ability to vastly outspend his opponents.

    2) The figures for second choice voting for Santorum are 5 :3 Gingrich vs. Romney. Romney is still hated by the conservative base. As long as Gingrich can maintain his appearance as a viable candidate then he has a chance.

    The noise from the Establishment Republicans to settle on Romney will be deafening if he wins Florida soundly. It is important for Gingrich to stay on the message that the choice is between a Reagan Republican and a Mass. moderate/liberal.

  • BillC

    One term of Obama was not good but we can roll back most of what he has done. IOW, you needed a Carter to get a Reagan.

    The worst Obama has done, IMHO, is in letting the ME go to He**. That is a mess that will haunt us for a long time.

  • kipling

    The last numbers I heard had Romney spending $15 million in Florida. If he wins by 10 points then he spent a little less than $.7 million per point. Obviously Romney has the money but for how long. If Newt can keep it going and pick up some on Super Tuesday, how much will Romney have to spend to win the nomination and how will that hinder his ability in the general election?

    Please note that I am not making any calls here. Just asking for some thoughts.

  • BillC

    the next president moves to repeal Obamacare. Tweaking it will leave the structure in place for the next Democrat to expand.

    Will Romney repeal? He says yes but he still defends Romneycare and his surrogates are not so sure.

  • clowngirl

    Which suggests that the leading non-Romney candidate has tended to have an edge in turnout.

    Also, the most recent polls show a tightening race.

    If that’s a genuine trend and it continues, then Newt might have a chance.

  • streiff

    you forgot Kagan and Sotomayor, and the over reach by federal agencies and Fast and Furious and spending and most of the past three years.

  • jgge

    if I am banned from a political forum, it is the least of my worries and concerns. I will not vote for Romney if he is the nomine. Anyway if this **** is the nominee he is going to lose so badly to Obama that it would be remembered in the annals of political elections history. Obama will politically put a huge chain called Bain Capital around Romney neck and he will wipe the floor with him, it would be so pathetic to watch.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Russia, China, and everyone else emboldened.

    Even Argentina’s talking Falklands again.

  • jgge

    if Obama gets re-elected as long as we keep the House and hopefully win the Senate. We as a nation has seen much worse than Obama and we not only survived but we have prospered and have become more powerful and more advanaced than any nation in history. The sky is fallign chicken little crap is for the morons.

  • jgge

    Romney wins Florida and then the fight goes on. There are 46 more states to go.

  • tyman

    Whoever is ahead, I think it can create a certain complacency in their supporters; whereas being behind can serve as a motivation.

    My concern in 2010 was that the polls showing Republicans taking back Congress in a landslide would cause low Republican turnout.

    I think Boortz made the mistake of quoting the national polls showing that Romney is the only one who doesn’t get creamed against Obama. That’s a confidence in polls that I certainly don’t possess.

    When I heard that Herbcain endorsed Newt, I was so glad to hear that. Still haven’t forgotten what he did to Perry, but my goal is to beat Romney, so if Herb helps that happen, then good on him.

  • jgge

    liberal SOB Romney, period, end of story. Only an idiot would argue otherwise.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    If you can say that after seeing the past 3 years, you’re a moron.

  • The_Rebel

    n/t

  • The_Rebel

    . n/t

  • gipper823

    A little to liberally.

    It makes this place sound like a cult. Let people voice dissent. It’s kinda what this country was founded on. If it turns to profanity or overt insult hurling, then OK, but just for spurring debate?

  • zachv

    However, any Republican occupying the White House is better than no Republican occupying the White House. Any form of financial, debt, tax system, entitlement reform that is pushed by the House/Senate Republicans will be immediately killed by Obama. All that leaves is four more years down the “problem becomes PROBLEM” road.

    At the least, if we were to have Romney in the WH, we’d have a fighting chance to tackle the deficit/debt issue. So what if the President isn’t the Leader of the Conservative Movement. I mean, should s/he really? Let that be an inspiring someone who can artfully portray and convey our ideals in the day to day battles and not be weighed down by running the federal government.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Retread.

  • jakeofalltrades

    One day at a time…

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    Neil, there seems to be a persistent belief that the “real conservative” vote is divided, and that if Santorum gets out of the race then Gingrich picks up all of his votes. The crosstabs for the one poll indicated that Romney got more second-choice nods from Santorum voters than Gingrich did. Have you looked at enough polling crosstabs to get a feel for what the true effect of a Santorum exit would be?

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    did not ram him down your throat. If he wins, then a majority of Republican primary voters will have rammed him down your throat.

  • PatriotForLiberty

    We took Erick’s advice several months ago and haven’t said much, this whole process has been so depressing when there’s so much at stake. We have FL absentee ballots but have been so confused we didn’t send them back and will (maybe) go to the polls.

    But it looks like it doesn’t matter whether we vote for Newt or not, if Gov. Romney is +10 why even bother? Newt really let us down in the debates last week and then all that moon nonsense. We don’t think Willard is a good candidate, there’s something so fake about him and in watching him at the Broward dinner he doesn’t seem sincere.

    But what choice is there? Reading here, the next month is all Romney friendly, and seems like the establishment isn’t going to let real Americans make this decision anyway. I read that Michael Steele did all this on purpose, dragging out the nomination and changing it to proportional delegates, because he liked what happened with the Dems in 2008. Another brilliant move, thanks Mike.

    So the question is, do we even bother going to the polls tomorrow to vote for Newt? Sounds like it won’t make a tinker’s darn, and we’re not even so much For Newt as we are Against Romney. Of course we will work for and support the nominee because of all the other races, but this has been awful. Anybody see a reason to bother with tomorrow’s primary?

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    The most recent ones are an echo of the SC outcome. Same thing will happen next week after Florida.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    My gut (for what little it’s worth) says that Santorum backers overwhelmingly will switch to the other northeastern moderate in the race.

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy for spending ability. The candidates that under-perform expectations will see their donations dry up. The candidate that wins will see donations soar. Romney will have no problem getting more donors after a big Florida win. Newt may vow to stay in the race until the convention, but after a couple more losses he will be holding bake sales to fund his campaign. The imbalance is going to get worse.

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    The worse Newt does, the harder it will be for him to raise money and continue his campaign. If you are a Newt supporter, you should vote anyways, to help him finish closer to Romney.

    I am a Romney supporter, BTW.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Link

    Perhaps the most important number in the NBC-Marist poll was what happens when Santorum is removed from the race. Santorum?s vote splits off evenly if he?s removed, and Romney has an even WIDER lead over Gingrich, 49%-33%. So, Gingrich can?t make the argument that if conservatives weren?t divided he would win. The numbers just don?t bear that out. What?s really interesting ? Santorum probably could argue that if GINGRICH weren?t in the race, he?d have a better chance against Romney.

    NBC-Marist Florida Republican Presidential Poll:

    Mitt Romney ? 42%
    Newt Gingrich ? 28%
    Rick Santorum ? 16%
    Ron Paul ? 11%

    One on One:

    Mitt Romney 49% ? Newt Gingrich 33%.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    and doesn’t have the same influence or effect as a Congress full of conservatives. And we haven’t elected nearly enough conservatives to Congress, much less a majority.

  • snowshooze

    The Media wants to defeat you in your living room.
    Romney wants to beat Newt in your living room.
    Polls, even these intensive ones we are seeing here do not always hold true. Otherwise… we could skip all this and go straight to the general election.
    How energized are the Voters for each side?
    Yep, I support X… but it is a long drive to the Polls through traffic, nobody to watch the kids… heck.. he doesn’t have much a chance anyway…
    Get out there.

  • Bill S

    .

  • hobiecat

    Look at all the bandwagoning going on here. Yes, once again, I will hold my nose and vote for a moderate if need be. I will not! however vote for Mitt in the primary. I don’t care if my horse is polling @ 1%
    Since I live in California, my vote as a Republican doesn’t really mean much in the General anyway.

  • aj_0000

    These contests have been so fluid that polling averages aren’t enough to go on if their time frame is longer than a day or two. The average is one thing to look at, but the other is which way the polls are swinging. The last two polls have FL narrowing, with Gingrich as close as 5. That suggests that rather than Romney pulling away heading into tomorrow, the gap is closing. It’s still likely Romney will win, but it could be closer than some are predicting.

  • Ann_W

    Then we can judge your future statements.

  • clowngirl

    Will try and look it up.

  • RichmondG30

    Hold your breath and stomp your feet. That’ll show ‘em.

  • cfoy65

    It is intellectually lazy to just call people names, hurl insults, and threaten banning. Perhaps, if might be to everyone’s advantage to actually get the people who are bitterly disappointed with a Romney candidate to come around and see why they should actually make the effort to go out and vote for whomever our nominee is when the time comes.

    My argument to you folks is this. A second term of Obama would be a first term on steroids. He would have no reason not to continue taking the country as far left as he could, and would have a full two years after this election before there was another. If you don’t show up to vote for the president, you won’t have the opportunity to vote for all the other senatorial and congressional elections happening at the same time. I understand how so many of you feel in that it should have been the perfect time to get a conservative candidate. Unfortunately, that’s not going to happen this time, so we just have to go into the election with zero expectation of advancing any conservative causes. A vote for the republican nominee will at least STOP leftward movement. If we simply stop moving left, consider that a real victory at this point. Go vote for all the retirees who can’t afford to have their investments tank. Do it for all the folks who work in companies that provide goods and services to the people that Obama has a disdain for. My husbands company makes equipment for corporate jets, and my bother-in-law is a captain on luxury yachts. Obama’s class warfare rhetoric has a real impact on peoples livelihoods. Obama’s foreign policy poses a real safety threat to everyone. Lastly, if it should be Romney, perhaps he would move more to the center than he has shown in the past. But, if we don’t have all the votes we can, we may never know,

  • jakeofalltrades

    without including the word “because” along with an argument should be banned for intellectual laziness and complete obliviousness to irony.

  • jakeofalltrades

    As well as hypocrisy.

  • lapert

    This is just not true. As recent as the poll showing Romney +5 is one showing +20, between those you have +7, +14 and +15. Any honest analysis of the polling data and trends show that the race has stabilized with Romney in the 39-42 range and newt in the 28-31 range.

  • angryguy77

    This is the type of talk that the establishment loves. It is people like you who will take what they give you because you don’t believe there is another choice. This is why we have Mitt as the frontrunner, the base will not take a stand against this push and get behind the anti-establishment choice.

    I don’t always advocate the position I currently hold, In past elections I would vote for the GOP nominee because it was always the lesser of two evils. But I don’t care for Mitt at all and I don’t believe there is that great of difference between him and a liberal. I’m not sold on his pledge to get rid of Obamacare, nor do I believe he will nominate conservative judges to the courts given his record in Mass. In the end, what will we really be getting? I’ll vote down ticket and hope that we hold on to the house and gain the senate to keep obama from doing anymore damage.

    I will vote for newt if I get the chance because I believe he is a bit more trustworthy and far more conservative than Mittens(go ahead an bash me for that belief, but in doing so, you’ll be calling redstates one true love, Rick Perry, ignorant as well). So call me “ignorant” all you want, I don’t take insults from “win at any costs, sell out conservatives who resort to liberal tactic name calling” like yourself. Maybe you need to get educated on what has happened to the party when they nominate moderates and what has happened to the brand of conservatism as a result.

  • elayman

    There was an ARG poll Jan 13-15 which showed a total of 17% of Republican primary voters say that they have already voted by absentee ballot or in early voting. That was in a timeframe Mitt was pulling away by 15% or more. If getting ballots banked is a secret weapon of the Romney campaign, Newt will (hopefully) get momentum from any last minute surge, but an outright win could be next to mathematically impossible.

    I guess if you’re a die hard for one particular candidate it may not matter, but certainly the independents ought to wait until Election Day to make sure they’ve got all the facts to make a fully informed decision. And a day or two early to avoid lines I can understand but weeks ahead is ridiculous and introduces a huge distortionary dynamic that neither side can ultimately control.

  • WillWong

    all these sighing!

  • cfoy65

    Perhaps you didn’t read my first sentence. It does not require any additional follow up or argument.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    When you grow up and out of this Fight the Power stage, you’ll be able to accomplish things for the movement.

    When you’re done with your hiss fit and you’re ready to rejoin Goldwater and Reagan in the GOP, we’ll be waiting. We’ll leave the light on, buddy.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Please list each and every difference the permanent majority in the House has made since 2010. Please be specific.

    Please feel free to attach additional sheets as necessary.

  • Bill S

    This is private property. This is also a site that is explicitly for promotion of conservative AND GOP candidates. Implicit to that is: if one attempts to dissuade others from voting for the GOP candidate, one will be shown the door. As this is private property, we reserve the right to refuse service to those who oppose that aforementioned mission of this site.

    I.E. – no third parties, no “we should stay home and not vote for the GOP candidate” talk.

  • aj_0000

    Romney and his supporters are scumbags, conservatives will not be voting for him in the fall, Obama will tear him to shreds, and he will lose. So congrats, Mitt, Wall Street and the DC elite. You bought yourself an election, and cut the voters out of the equation. Enjoy your massive loss in November.

    If conservatives go out and vote for Romney in November, they are guaranteeing the death of conservatism for nearly a generation. I won’t be part of it.

  • aj_0000

    It’s not over yet. But it will require conservatives to unify behind Gingrich and put on a massive push equivalent to 2010. I don’t see it happening as of yet. Maybe it will. What I do know is that as far as the media and the establishment are concerned, it’ll be over tomorrow assuming Romney wins. A surge for Newt on Super Tuesday will have to be entirely grass roots and under the radar, and the intensity will have to be off the charts.

  • cfoy65

    However, there is an old idiom that states…you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. This primary season has brought out a higher level of disgust and nastiness by many people, so perhaps I’m more willing to give people a break that are starting to feel a little apathetic towards the whole political process, and do my little part to reel them back. If you start showing too many people the door…you start losing readers and elections. Just my two cents.

  • aj_0000

    But I’m not claiming to be any kind of expert. Just a conservative, which you aren’t if you’re a Romney supporter. That said, there are a couple of things here:

    1. A couple of new polls showing the race closer than thought.

    2. Newt’s rallies are drawing crowds in the thousands, while Mitt’s are drawing crowds in the hundreds, many of whom are wealthy donors flown in from out of state. The same people were used to pack the crowd in for the last debate.

    I would not be surprised if we are seeing a combination of intentionally skewed polls from the media and a substantial, unreported enthusiasm and turnout differential in Gingrich’s favor.

    I’m not predicting anything, just noting that there may be reason to believe tomorrow could be a lot closer than advertised.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I didn’t see Demonrats cheering Bush – why would we promote calls for a third party that in fact are only advocating for the Demonrats and weakening the GOP? If this were a military campaign rather than a political one, the penalty for what they’re doing might well be death.

  • hobiecat

    Goldwater and Reagan would roll over in their graves at the state of affairs now. And “Fight The Power” and throwing a “Hissy Fit” is what gave us this Republic. It’s remarks like yours, Neil, that many colonials had at that time. Why fight the establishment? It’s not so bad really is it?

  • Blue_State_Refugee

    ……one could only hope.

  • drothgery

    Why the majority we got in 2010 is permanent and the one we got in 1994 was not.

  • jaykali

    Gingrich is going scorched earth and I guess his supporters are too.

  • languedoctor

    that had Romney within 3 points of Gingrich going into S.C.?

    I think I draw a different conclusion. We’ll see, though.

  • falconrap

    consists of those who don’t want the government to change. Romney will keep on spending the money. Santorum will slow it down, some. Paul will probably get us into a serious national emergency if he follows through with his foreign policies. Gingrich will fight to shrink government and balance the budget. Gingrich may believe in an occasionally nutty idea, but his track record is what it is. Actions speak a thousand times louder than words, and Gingrich is the only guy that actually went to bat to decrease government. He fought the establishment and paid a personal price for it. His name was smeared all over, and when the truth came out, nobody really stood up to tell everyone he was clean (speaking on the ethics charges here).

    There are a lot of people in this country, and DC in particular, who rely on the money and power flowing out of the Fed. They will fight tooth and nail, lying out their rear ends, to keep that power and money going. When you see all the stalwart conservatives backing, or at least defending, Newt, and you see all the “experts” and DC fat cats backing Romney, what does that tell you? The principled people are backing Newt and/or Santorum. I could live with either, preferring Newt. The hacks are backing Romney.

  • falconrap

    I think you have it backwards. Romney is throwing millions all over the place trying to destroy Newt with a lot of fake or exaggerated content. Newt’s stuff hasn’t been 100% either, but a lot more of it has been truthful than what is coming out of Romney’s side. One need only look at the actual actions of the two to realize which one is a conservative and which is a liberal/moderate. Newt has consistently pushed conservative values and bills. He has his big idea moments, but when push comes to shove, he goes conservative. Romney has a long history of pushing liberal ideas and laws. He can say he’s a conservative all he wants, but his record says otherwise.

    As I mentioned in another post, actions speak a thousand times more that words. Don’t listen to what politicians say. Look at what they do when the time to vote or make a decision comes. Makes it much easier to decide on your candidate.

  • falconrap

    and seeing that Newt is consistently pulling thousands at his stops, while Romney is pulling hundreds, I really have a hard time believing these polls. They may be right, but I live in the Tampa area (NW Hillsborough, work in Clearwater), know a lot of conservatives (quite a few where I work), and don’t know anybody, out of at least 30 people or so, that is voting for Mitt. It’s mostly Newt or Santorum, or undecided between the two. Admittedly, that’s not a large sample, but the Tea Party is strong amongst those I know, though not all of them, and the Tea Party just hasn’t warmed up well to Mitt.

    I’ll tell you one thing, if Newt wins it, this will seriously hurt the credentials of the pollsters. If Romney wins big, then it will boost them.

  • falconrap

    Get out and vote for Newt. Newt is drawing thousands at his rallies, while Mitt is not. Don’t trust the polling, as TURNOUT IS EVERYTHING.

  • falconrap

    More importantly, polls only show what a group of “likely” voters will do. In elections, turnout is king. Judging by the rally sizes, I really find it hard to believe that Newt is doing as badly as some of these polls have stated.

  • greyeagle

    Don’t mean much right now. The election will depend on what part of the state turns out in force. Certain parts of the state are all for Newt and wouldn’t vote for Romney under any circumstances. Romney would like the voters to believe that only he is electable. Not true. Polls are open until 7 P.M. tomorrow night. Results will not be in until likely midnight.

  • greyeagle

    Apparently the Tea Party has become more active along with the others you mentioned and it had dropped Romney poll totals even more. Newt is going up as of today.

  • carolina

    Wonder how many stations will call the race at 8:01 PM ET?

  • lapert

    Want to place a bet it is called before 10 est?

    You do know the polls ask about turnout right? They aren’t meaningless; with a proper understanding of how to analyze them they are the best objective information we have. And right now, the analysis is pretty straight forward and not looking good for Mr. Gingrich.

  • jaykali

    Just listen to his interviews, hes definitely cranked up the rhetoric. It just makes him look desperate in my opinion. I miss the jovial Gingrich we had a month ago but I guess thems times are over.

    As far as negative attacks I think thats politics. Newt has a lot of junk to attack. I dont really think him complaining ab it all the time is really helping his cause. He seems to get annoyed alot. I just dont think hes as conservative as ppl think he is. He had a good run in the 90s but in typical Newt style he flamed out bc of his ego. I just dont think hes viable and its irritating to me that ppl think hes the great conservative hope.

    He is good at articulating conservatism when he is on but you dont know what Newt youre going to get on any given day. He says alot of stupid crap too. And hes too erratic for my taste.

  • jaykali

    The meaning to me was always that the establishment are ppl who have been in power along time, particularly in DC. The establishment is the ‘ruling class’. So you could argue the Bushes and they extend out to the Karl Rove types but like from what I read in these postings like Charles Krauthammer and Fox news even will fall into that category which I dont agree with at all. I love Charles and Bill Krystal and Steve Hayes, I think those guys have good insight into things.

    I think Gingrich is just as likely to spend govt money as Romney or Santorum. I mean it was like 2 days ago that he wanted to spend 300 billion on a permanent space station? Does that sound like small govt conservatism?

    I dont believe that Romney is a pawn of the ruling class. I think alot of establishment types feel like he is the safer choice. I guess you could say that big money is propping him up and that big money will lead to more big govt favors, corporate welfare, etc and that certainly is possible but thats the system we’ve got. Certainly big money on both sides leads to corrupt govt. That may be the case but I dont think Newts the answer bc first and foremost I dont think he can win and I think thats the judgment most ppl are making.

  • falconrap

    Romney started this fight and has been throwing tons of money to destroy Newt. So Newt is going out there and attacking Romney’s record. I don’t blame him. I’m not going sit there while some guy uses his bankroll to smear me. Romney has done this repeatedly to other candidates in this election and back in 2008. It’s how he rolls. I think it speaks to his character too. Newt is returning the attacks because he’s a fighter and isn’t going to just sit there and let Romney get away with it, especially when people viewed him as week when doing it before.

    I don’t care what either says. I care about what they’ve done in the past. One has led the conservative cause while the other has run away from it. That pretty much sums up this election for me.

  • falconrap

    have been shocked by people we thought were stalwarts for the cause. Remember, though, Krauthammer was a Mondale campaign guy. A lot of these other guys LIVE in DC. There in lies the problem. Newt goes off the reservation every once in a while, but his record is what it is.

    Romney may or may not be a pawn, but he is the pick of the moderate/liberal Republicans. Again…what does that tell you? The guys coming out against Newt have almost all be moderates and liberals. Most of the true conservatives have defended and/or endorsed Newt.

  • jaykali

    Move over race card, we now have the “establishment card” – make any sort of dissenting opinion and YOU TOO are part of the conspiracy! Feels like a witch hunt to me.

  • Ann_W

    And to think that I just thought I was making the best choice from four really flawed candidates.

    If you truly are a conservative you would admit that Romney is much less destructive than Obama.

  • jaykali

    I dont think he would govern as a Massachusetts moderate bc hes not in Massachusetts and its not 10 years ago any more. Politicians are rational beings and he figured out a way to political power in Massachusetts was via a moderate Republican platform and since then hes moved to the right as he has had ambitions to become president. I dont think it makes much rational sense to say he is a closet liberal who would think its a great idea to continue the policies of a liberal Obama against the wishes of the electorate and his own party that swept him into office. I dont see how even the most cynical observer could come to that conclusion but I see it all the time. I tend to think he would follow through with spending cuts, tax reform and domestic energy as his legislative agenda. I dont think hes going to hes going to overnight become a big obamacare supporter and whip up support for cap and trade and stimulus 2. I just dont see that happening.

    Is it that hard for ppl to understand that his path to the national political stage was via Massachusetts office? If he hadnt won no one would know who the hell Mitt Romney is.

    And so I suppose we can complain that we dont want northeast republicans under any circumstances but I tend to think given the current field which is all we have to choose from that he is the best option and I think thats the conclusion most ppl are coming to.

  • jaykali

    Negative ads have been around forever, I think its annoying that Gingrich is acting like Romney is doing something unprecedented. Look they’re both attacking each other, thats the way campaigns go. And legitimate attacks have to be addressed. Newt can complain ab it all he wants but hes dishing out plenty of it himself.

    I agree you have to look at a politicians record, if Newt could recreate the magic he helped pull together for like a 2-3 year window in the 90s thatd be great, but I tend to think that was a one time deal. I think current day newt could not get any kind of consensus like he did back then, those were different times.

  • Adjoran

    but once it appears to be going against their guy, they see no reason to anger the eventual nominee by prolonging the contest.

  • Adjoran

    it is your right.

    The next President will appoint as many as three Supreme Court Justices and 200-300 judges to the federal lower courts, all for LIFE. These judges will help steer the course of our Constitutional law for the 30-40 years and beyond.

    All so you can “send us a message”? REALLY?

    We get the message, all right. You’re a fool.

  • deVere

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/floridas-winner-will-lock-in-50-delegates-not-necessarily/

  • snowshooze

    For the same thing.
    Good.

  • WillWong

    It is safe to say that it will be Newt over Romney by a nose! LOL!

  • snowshooze

    That would be some tough counting…

  • snowshooze

    Really. This isn’t the site it was the other day…

  • WillWong

    Good folks like yourself, common cents, gracie, ajoooo, doc, texastaxpayer, acat, bluerose75, and others certainly made up in intensity what we lack in numbers! Unfortunately, it is still one person one vote so we still have much work to do! LoL!

  • texasref

    Now will you come over to my computer desk and clean up the puke I just spewed from reading yet another line on this sometimes-infuriating website about Romney being “not as bad” as Obama…

    We can do better. Try conservatism. It works every time it’s tried.

  • Ann_W

    Character matters, and I hope I don’t regret my choice. Not that it matters in my late state anyway. But there’s just as much chance you will regret your choice. We are all just doing the best we can with the choices we’ve been given.

    We all have the same goal for our country, I just don’t see how calling me a scumbag advances the conservative cause. My life experience just makes me make a different decision than you. I don’t get name calling, etc. between good people who share 99% of the same goals. And, no, by no stretch of the imagination is Romney as bad as Obama, who is actively undermining this country.

    Have a good day.

  • ptamom

    I am deeply concerned about what I believe to be the misrepresentation of Romney as a conservative and as a moderate Republican in the current presidential race.

    The stark difference between Romney’s views now and his record as Governor of Massachusetts, should give us pause.

    As a PTA mom from Maryland and a Republican volunteer in our county, I have followed Massachusetts politics via email news from www.MassResistance.org since the 2003 court redefinition of marriage in Massachusetts. Living in a “blue” state with 2 children in public schools, I have been concerned about the impact of the redefinition of marriage on public schools.

    In their comprehensive report of Romney?s record entitled, “The Mitt Romney Deception”, the grass roots pro-family group Mass Resistance states “Indeed, this report will demonstrate that Romney was probably the most pro-abortion and pro-gay rights Republican official in the nation for the last decade.” The evidence is carefully documented by newspaper accounts with all sources listed at the end of their report.

    Romney’s record as Governor in Masschusetts from 2003-2007 and his actions while a presidential candidate have not shown a committment to good government and have shown a willingness to exert undue influence on the media in my opinion. We are so in need of good leadership to take on the politically motivated decisions that harm so many Americans and benefit only a few. I do not feel that Romney’s record as Governor indicates a willingness to govern in that way.

    I am also concerned about Romney?s choice of judges and the state of the Republican Party in Massachusetts after his tenure as Governor.

    For more information, please refer to the details under the subheadings below.

    Thank you for your consideration of this material.

    **************************************************************

    www.MassResistance.org/romney

    ***************** the subheadings below are copied from The Mitt Romney Deception Report The 26-page comprehensive report describing how Gov. Romney ran for office and governed as a liberal, despite his claims to the contrary. This covers a wide range of topics and is an essential read.

    Romney supports abortion in general, and believes in sustaining Roe v. Wade.

    Romney campaigned for Governor of Massachusetts as a pro-choice candidate, and was endorsed by a pro-abortion political group

    Romney is willing to support some embryonic stem cell research

    Romney Approves of Abortion Pill and Supports the Legalization of RU-486

    Romney signs “Right to Privacy” Proclamation celebrating birth control availability

    Gov. Romney has a long history of promoting and furthering the homosexual agenda, and working closely with leading gay activists

    Romney twice sought and received the endorsement of the homosexual Log Cabin Republican Club

    Romney’s campaign distributed pro-gay rights campaign literature during Boston’s “Gay Pride” events

    Romney supports homosexual “anti-discrimination” laws

    Romney advocates homosexual couples’ adoption rights be recognized by the government

    Romney supports homosexual domestic partnerships

    Romney supported and promoted legalizing homosexual civil unions

    Romney Opposes the Boy Scouts’ Ban on Homosexual Scoutmasters

    Romney barred Boy Scouts from public participation in 2002 Olympics

    Romney appointed prominent homosexuals to key positions in his administration

    Romney appointed prominent homosexual activists and Democrats as judges

    “Governor Mitt Romney, who touts his conservative credentials to out-of-state Republicans, has passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced, instead tapping registered Democrats or independents — including two gay lawyers who have supported expanded same-sex rights, a Globe review of the nominations has found. Of the 36 people Romney named to be judges or clerk magistrates, 23 are either registered Democrats or unenrolled voters who have made multiple contributions to Democratic politicians or who voted in Democratic primaries, state and local records show. In all, he has nominated nine registered Republicans, 13 unenrolled voters, and 14 registered Democrats.”
    - Boston Globe 7/25/2005, “Romney jurist picks not tilted to GOP; Independents, Democrats get call”

    Romney Rewards one of the State’s Leading Anti-Marriage Attorneys by Making him a Judge

    Romney announces he won’t fill judicial vacancies before term ends

    Romney’s Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth used huge taxpayer funding to promote homosexuality in the public schools

    Romney’s Commission organized public gay “Youth Pride Day” parades and “transgender proms” which promote unhealthy and risky behavior

    Romney issues a proclamation celebrating gay “Youth Pride Day”

    Romney’s Department of Education promotes the homosexual agenda

    Romney’s Department of Public Health (DPH) cooperates with the homosexual activist movement

    Romney opposed federal legislation that would stop public schools from promoting homosexuality

    Romney’s Dept. of Social Services honors homosexual “married” couple as adoptive “Parents of the Year”

    Romney refused to endorse the original 2002 Mass. constitutional amendment absolutely defining marriage as one man and one women

    Romney unnecessarily (and unconstitutionally) implemented homosexual marriages in Massachusetts

    Romney had marriage licenses changed to allow same-sex marriages

    Romney administration ordered Justices of Peace to perform homosexual “marriages” when asked – or be fired!

    Romney administration’s training of Town Clerks (on how to issue same-sex marriage licenses) states that marriage statutes were not changed

    Romney signs bill eliminating Sexual Transmitted Disease (STD) testing requirement for marriage

    When requested of him, Romney personally issues special one-day certificates to allow otherwise unqualified people to perform homosexual “marriages”

    Was Romney’s public opposition to homosexual “marriage” based on expediency, not principle?

    Romney favors “Assault” Weapons Ban

    Romney Favors Waiting Periods

    Romney supports minimum wage laws

    Romney Balances Budget with $500 Million in New Fees

    Romney imposes “socialized” health care on Massachusetts

    Romney’s dismal record as the Republican leader in Massachusetts

    Romney pledged to build the Massachusetts Republican Party, but in fact he did almost nothing. During his tenure there were two elections for the entire Legislature (2004 and 2006). In each election the Republicans lost seats. Republicans now hold the fewest seats in the Legislature since the Civil War.
    During the four years of Romney’s tenure, the number of registered Republicans in Massachusetts fell by 31,000. During that same period, the Massachusetts Democratic Party gained 30,000. “…… That means Republicans now make up 12.5 percent of the state’s voters, … according to the data released by the Secretary of State’s office. When the state elected Romney, a Republican, in 2002, the GOP made up 13.4 percent of the electorate. ”
    - Boston Globe, 11/2/2006, “GOP ranks dropped by 31,000 since state elected Romney”
    In the 2006 elections, most offices were not even challenged by Republican candidates. In the November general election for the six statewide Massachusetts constitutional offices there were more Green-Rainbow Party candidates on the ballot than Republicans!
    The party’s slide has been so precipitous that Republicans yesterday did not contest 130 of 200 legislative seats, fielded a challenger in only three of 10 congressional districts, and put up fewer candidates for statewide office (three) than the Green-Rainbow Party (four).
    - Boston Globe, 11/8/2006, “For Republicans in Mass., a feeling of out and down”

    **************************************************************************

    Comments from the head of the Massachusetts Republican Party, James Rappaport, who was Chairman while Romney was Governor.

    ?…James Rappaport, former head of the Massachusetts Republican Party held a press conference recently to announce his endorsement of Rudy Giuliani. ….. Rappaport, who served when Romney was governor, said Romney ?has a strong record of showmanship as opposed to actual performance.? On his relationship with the State Legislature, ?His word is no good ? Mitt Romney would say one thing in a meeting and literally go out of the meeting to the press and tell the opposite story. There was no desire in the legislature to be accommodating to him because they couldn?t trust him?. Romney will be clear today on what he believes today, and he?ll be clear tomorrow on what he believes tomorrow, but they may be different things.?

    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/SandyRios/2007/12/10/mitt_romney_may_have_had_no_choice,_but_i_do

    **************************************************************************

    Conservative media has a conflict of interest with Romney.

    I believe that some conservative media, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Mark Levine, Rich Lowry, Hugh Hewitt, and others perpetuated a false idea during the 2008 campaign, i.e. the idea that Romney is conservative. Their scrutiny of Huckabee and McCain’s conservative credentials during the 2008 campaign was often emotional and full of highly charged, derogatory terms, while they were more silent about holes in Romney’s conservative credentials.

    On Nov 16, 2006, Clear Channel Communications agreed to be acquired by Bain Capital and Thomas Lee Partners for nearly $19 billion. Bain Capital is the private equity firm founded by Mitt Romney in 1984; that he left in 1999 to head the 2002 Olympics; that he sold his majority interest in, in 2001 to run for Governor of Massachusetts; where he is still a silent partner. The sale was completed in Dec 2007 after 1 year of pending negotiations of the leveraged buyout agreement. Clear Channel owns more than 1,100 full-power AM, FM, and shortwave radio stations, twelve radio channels on XM Satellite Radio, and more than 30 television stations in the United States.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/16/AR2006111600537.html

    Premiere Radio Networks, which is the largest syndication company in the United States, is a wholly owned subsidiary of Clear Channel and is home to Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, FOX NEWS Radio and many other talk radio shows. Premiere Radio Networks is transitioning to a new CEO Charlie Rahilly from Kraig Kitchin. Sean Hannity recently signed a large multi-market contract with Clear Channel.

    The early Bain Capital team included Romney’s campaign advisor, Robert F. White. According to CNN/Money magazine’s Dec 10, 2007 article entitled “Millionaires-in-chief”, some 43% of Romney’s portfolio is currently invested in Bain Capital. On the Bain Capital website it says “Our principals are the largest single investor in each of Bain Capital’s funds,..”
    (http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/moneymag/0712/gallery.candidates.moneymag/6.html )

    **************************************************************************

    Other informative reports:

    Report on the true pro-life views of Gov. Romney – Written in reaction to the controversy over Romney’s various pro-life stands.

    How Mitt Romney brought “gay marriage” to Massachusetts – Complete report with comprehensive legal analysis. The Supreme Judicial Court made a ruling and ordered the Legislature to act. The Legislature did nothing, so Romney stepped in and ordered same-sex “marriages” to begin — essentially violating his oath of office.

    A new book, “Mitt Romney’s Deception — His Stealth Promotion of “Gay Rights” and “Gay Marriage”in Massachusetts” Contrary to Governor Romney’s claim that he defended marriage, the Constitution, traditional values, and religious freedom, he actually undermined them.

  • angryguy77

    The establishment didn’t want Reagan, remember kiddo? Thank God more people back in 1980 didn’t have the mentality that so many on RS have, otherwise we would never have had Reagan.

    He was called “unelectable” and every other name in the book. Don’t tell me about joining the fight. I gave up a good paying job to help out in a congressional race and now I’m working for the republicans in WI. I’ve been in the trenches and Iv’e lived through the protests that have been going on here for over a year. I’m not someone who has sat on the sidelines.

  • lapert

    So you think that the ~40% of Republican in Florida who are going to vote for Romney today in the primary are scumbags?

    Hmm, maybe politics isn’t really the right hobby for you – you know there are plenty of other ones on the internet you can pretend to play in. Why don’t you go pick a fight over who is stronger, elves or hobbits…

  • deVere

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/01/31/the_florida_smear_campaign_112973.html

    “the poisonous practice of irresponsible smears is an issue that is bigger than Gingrich, Romney or any other candidate of either party.”

  • tyman

    he was born to be the president.

    I knew Romney was going to run this type of campaign to destroy Gingrich.
    Where was all the support several weeks ago? Rush defended Gingrich pretty strongly yesterday, I thought. Michael Reagan was on Mark Levin to defend Newt’s record with his dad.

    How long has early voting been going on in Florida? This kind of support should have come right after Iowa.

    I hope that the damage isn’t already done, or I hope that it serves to create a huge backlash against Romney.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Reagan in 80 was the Next in Line. Baker never had a chance. Bush only thought he did.

  • angryguy77

    Reagan was not wanted by the gop establishment. He said he wouldn’t even have eastern gop elites in his cabinet.

    http://congressmantomtancredo.com/category/gop/

    It doesn’t matter what kind of chances Baker or Bush had, if Reagan wasn’t who he was, the elites would have had their way.

    We are seeing this again with Mittens and his posse coming out against Newt at the same time. How about you come back with a thought, rather than an insult. You are a blogger, not a all-knowing political god.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Figures you’re quoting that squishy, worthless RiNO.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Is that I’m a principled conservative and he’s an opportunistic, big-government moderate.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    But then, I understand this IS a family site…

  • angryguy77

    But I did like the article that he had on his site, so I posted the link. It talks a little about the struggle Reagan had, which is what we were talking about.
    Are you ready to admit that your ridicule of me was out of line? Or are you going to continue to mock me along with your buddies who apparently think it will make them look cool to agree with you?
    You tell me I’m the uneducated one when every conservative knows Reagan had to side step the establishment to get elected.

    Is it too much to ask a blogger on this site to do a bit of research before throwing insults?

    Oh and btw- that quote was from Palin. But seeing your grasp of history is so poor, I shouldn’t expect you to actually read the article.

  • angryguy77

    Voting for a big government moderate to beat a big government liberal is the right thing to do. makes perfect sense

  • dp79

    Try reading this article that will articulate why you voting for this fraud will not help a single thing.

    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/01/31/newt-battles-mush-from-the-wim/

    Voting for another moderate because he’s next in line is going to further the cause, zero. I have no problem with your original article, but your arguments here are hilarious. People who articulate this cause are what wins elections, not a moderate that needs to be coached into being a conservative, if you are a “principled conservative” you’d know that. You cannot name a single thing Romney is running on policy wise that will further the conservative cause in this election because he can’t talk about any of it because he’s not a conservative. What departments is he going to get rid of? Buehler? Buehler? He’s got more money than the other guys and negative ads and backing from bona fide losers, and not figurative losers, factual losers. McCain endorsement do it for you? How about Bob Dole? The fact that those losers endorsing this man should make you want to spit. Do you really think this man has any spine at all to be a real conservative in the white house? The man has no ideas of his own that he can fall back on just more campaign type speech that sounds cute to voters. You can keep your thirty pieces of silver this time around Neil because he will not motivate the base whatsoever. Like I said above i agree with your main article, your arguments in the comments here are ridiculous.

  • texasref

    on the scumbag remark