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Mittmentum moves to Ohio, Gingrich leads Georgia on a true Super Tuesday

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The Republican party has held five primaries this cycle to date: New Hampshire, South Carolina, Florida, Michigan, and Arizona. Mitt Romney won the statewide vote in four of them, including the last three.

Super Tuesday tomorrow will shake all that up, of course. But Ohio looks to be one state Romney may come back to win from Rick Santorum.

It’s a proportional primary, and I doubt any trigger will be hit to turn it winner-take-all. So any win there will be muted in its delegate impact, even though Ohio has the second largest delegate count on the block Tuesday.

And Ohio’s 66 delegates are only part of the haul tomorrow. 350 delegates are up in binding primaries (Georgia, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia, Oklahoma, Massachusetts, and Vermont). 59 more are up in binding caucuses (Idaho, Alaska). North Dakota has 28 delegates, but only holds a non-binding caucus tomorrow.

But in total we see that 409 delegates are to be bound tomorrow. Some day that Super Tuesday has been diminished in the race to January, but 409 bound delegates is more than the total already bound (174) or even the bound delegates plus delegates up in states that held non-binding caucuses (374). Any lead any candidate has can be wiped out all at once tomorrow, so Mitt Romney must show up like a frontrunner in order to remain the front runner.

Normally Georgia with its 76 delegates would be the biggest prize tomorrow, but I think people are discounting it some as Newt Gingrich’s original home state, and sure enough, in the three polls that ended Sunday (InsiderAdvantage, Rasmussen Reports, PPP) Gingrich holds double digit leads, with Romney in second. So Gingrich will almost surely take the largest share of the state’s delegation.

That takes us to Ohio. Sitting between Romney-friendly Michigan and Santorum’s home Pennsylvania, both of the top two candidates have reasons to believe they can do well there. So it’s not surprising to me at all that Ohio has pulled into a polling tie in the last three polls, again all ending on the 4th (Rasmussen, PPP, Quinnipiac). Romney’s range of 31-37 shows a median 34. Santorum’s range of 31-36 shows a median of 33.5. So it’s a miniscule, insignificant lead for Romney by my estimation.

So why do I call this Mittmenum moving to Ohio? Simple. Santorum had double-digit Ohio leads as recently as the 26th. Once Michigan was done, Romney began recovering in Ohio. Is that purely the power of money, or is there more to it? All I can say is the polls point to it happening. Specifically how is a question I leave for history.

Crossposted from Unlikely Voter

COMMENTS

  • Crash71234

    Newt told Mitt that if he didn’t win his home state of MI, he had to quit.

    Now, if Newt doesn’t carry his home state of VA, Newt must quit.

    Mitt also carried his home state of NH.

    So, if Rick doesn’t carry his home state of OH, Rick must quit.

  • mikelindell2

    Please?

  • mikelindell2

    It’s Romney 30, Santorum 29, Gingrich 29. Gingrich is surging, if you’re in TN please get out and vote Newt-the only guy with the experience and plans to fix the country!

  • jon11

    but at this point i’d really like the primary to end.

    even if that meant Newt winning. I could live with newt.

    I can’t live with santorum but i could live with newt.

    Im just ready to turn all this energy all of us have towards Obama.

    Norquist was on morning joe earlier eating steve rattner’s lunch. He notes that the 5 billion in various tax increases obama has put off will be coming due right before the election.

    Very encouraging stuff.

    Obama’s weak.

    America is is center-right.

    Mitt is center-right.

    Obama is left…and weak.

    any republican predicting GOP defeat needs to be forced to wear a dunce cap around for the next 8 months.

  • WillWong

    n.t.

  • WillWong

    If he can restrict the others to under 20%, he gets all 76 delegates!

  • Crash71234

    So, if Rick doesn’t win his home state of VA, Rick must quit.

    This is Newtie’s logic. Not mine.

  • acat

    even though he represented PA.

    Mew

  • acat

    You can stop being stupid any time now.

    Mew

  • WillWong

    and now he changed it to VA. Is it safe to assume that Crash is a Romney Flip Flopping supporter?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Isn’t it a shame that the SCUM [so-called unbiased-media, per Flagstaff] isn’t reporting it?

  • Crash71234

    Newt also spewed that NH was Mitt’s home state because he has a home in Wolfeboro NH.

    Newt should live by his own rules and man up.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    Until you make a serious argument, nobody is going to take you seriously.

  • WillWong

    You stated Ohio….then when questioned switched to VA!

  • acat

    does that mean it’s his “home state”? Or is it Massachusetts, where he was Governor? or is it Michigan, where he was born and his dad was Governor?

    For that matter, where was Dick Cheney from?

    In summary, it doesn’t make a whole lot of difference .. just like you.

    Mew

  • acat

    Nothing here but a mouse being stupid.

    Mew

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

  • Ender

    about the ridiculous narrative of Michigan being Mitt Romney’s home state, just because he was born there. He is just joking around, but that narrative annoyed me to no end. Mitt Romney apparently is the only candidate with a bunch of multiple home states suited to fit any anti-Romney narrative. First NH, then MI, and then I am sure we will move on to MA and UT for good measure.

  • Ender

    make whatever state they have a chance in, Mitt’s home state :)

  • WillWong

    LOL!

  • acat

    If you really want to blame someone, try Mitt. After all, nobody forced him to move to Massachusetts, or to own property in Utah….

    Mew

  • acat

    to let the indefensible remain undefended.

    Romney is from Michigan.
    Romney owns property in Utah.
    Romney was Governor of, ran for Senator from, and lived for decades in Massachusetts.

    If you really want to blame someone for this being unclear, you need look no further than Mitt himself.

    Mew

  • tngal

    Newt lost a district co chair Friday (bailed and went to Santorum) and took some others with him. He claimed Newt didn’t have the numbers, although he really liked newt he was heading for santo. Made me so mad I could spit.

    Nonetheless, very heartened that Cain has been here talking up Newt over the weekend, and this state really went out for Cain. Newt has been here off and on for about a week so hopefully that helps.

  • Scope

    Just read that over at the Hill. Old Orin has a strong Tea Party challenger for his Senate seat, state Sen. Don Liljenquist, so he had to get the big gun the Romster to appear in an ad supporting him. Orin Hatch was one of 4 GOP Senators who co-sponsored a bill back in 1993 which required the individual mandate. Time to send old Orin home to spend more time with another of those co-sponsors Bob Bennett.

  • lapert

    Lives in Virginia, spent decades living in and was representative for Georgia, was born in Pennsylvania and owns a home in Wisconsin.

    The point is that the whole ‘home state’ thing is stupid nonsense. That candidates selectively used it to try and make a point about Romney’s challenge of winning his ‘home’ state isn’t born out of confusion as to where he lives or substantive comment on the race but strategic campaign slogans.

    It actually doesn’t matter if a candidate loses every state he calls home if he wins enough delegates.

  • Ender

    but is all about where the candidate has gotten his life/political/other appropriate experiences. If we were to go by technical – where someone has property – then McCain with his 7 houses would’ve had a ton of “home states”.

    Was Connecticut GWB’s home state in the elections? Of course not, even though he was born there. It’s too silly and literal to go there,but Mitt’s opponents had to go there to try and embarrass him.

    Mitt’s only real home state is Massachusetts for obvious reasons – business/Governor experience. Everything else is fluff.

  • lapert

    There were three polls over the weekend in TN and this one was the clear outlier (showing Romney ahead, not a tie as the thread title claims). The other two both showed Santorum with 34%, Romney with 29/30% (like this poll) and Gingrich with more volatility at 18 and 27%.

    Looking at it all together the best prediction gives Santorum a 2-4 point win over Romney with Gingrich having a very good shot at finishing over 20% to take some of the statewide delegates.

  • Ender

    nt

  • acat

    Sorta like Santorum claiming momentum after a hat trick of wins in very-low-turnout “elections” awarding no delegates….

    Sorta like Romney claiming momentum after winning New Hampshire after campaigning there since 2006….

    The whole thing is style over substance .. except when it gets down to delegates. Speaking of which, did WA award any from their straw poll? Didn’t think so…

    Mew

  • acat

    a while back…

    Solid Republican? Yes. The most conservative who can win in very-Red Utah? Don’t make me laugh.

    Mew

  • Scope

    not only his campaign co-chair, but 12 state legislators are now behind Santorum. It isn’t any personal ill will against Newt, but since Santorum has the momentum in TN, and can possibly beat Romney in that state, there is a coalescing around the one with the best chance to beat Romney. I believe Rassmussen has Santorum up by 4 today.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Gee .. you’re into cutting and pasting your comments now …

    Around here, that’s called SPAM.

    Even if I am going to vote for Romney in GA, it’s still spam.

  • Scope

    forgot to mention that important point.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    What I really wish is that Daniels / Christie / Bush / Jindal would jump back in and win it in a contested primary.

    But since that doesn’t appear likely, I’ll vote for Romney on Tuesday in GA.

    One thing Mitt does understand is money and budgets. And that’s what the country needs right now.

  • acat

    Liljenquist and Mourdock will do much better for the country.

    Mew

  • mikelindell2

    in Gallup National Poll, GA, TN lately so maybe they’re on to something.

  • lapert

    You are right, no delegates to the GOP convention were formally awarded in Washington on Saturday – just projected estimates based on outcomes which have historically been accurate enough.

    Personally, I think the whole momentum narrative through the early primaries is based on little statistical evidence (with the possible exception of performance against expectations in meaningless Iowa giving small momentum to performance in meaningless NH) and lots of projection by those who need to manufacture stories out of more or less independent events either for print deadlines or their own peace of mind.

    They mostly serve as indicators of the campaigns ability to forge operations, message and campaigning on the ground. At this stage, it is fairly clear (to me at least) that Romney is the only one able to do it in a broad enough map to come close to enough delegates – and even if he falls just short of majority with a strong plurality there is no way he doesn’t end up the nominee.I think the rest is just a show for the political press and associated junkies who would be bored to death if the primary was already over. That alone may be enough for Santorum, Newt or both to play the sacrificial role of Huckabee past Super Tuesday this year to keep those in need of a story appeased but I’m not willing to bet on it.

  • septembergurl

    to provide much clarity, unless Newt does shockingly poorly. I don’t think that’s going to happen. In fact, given that Tennessee is nw a three way tie and given Newt’s momentum there, I think he will win Tennessee as well. That sets him up well for primaries next week in Alabama and Mississippi.

    In fact March is a better month for Gingrich, much as February was better for Romney & Santorum, in terms of the contested states. There was really nothing for Newt in February, with no Southern states except Missourri where he wasn’t on the ballot. There are caucuses in alaska, Idaho and ND, where Paul might hope to do well, or better, than in the primraries. Idaho would presumably be Mitt’s, ND maybe Santorum, Alaska who knows?

    Since romney takes Mass, Vt and VA and probably Ohio, that doesn’t leave much for santorum. beyond Tennessee and Oklahoma. In both of these he had a large double digit lead for a while, as he did in Ohio.

    One mystery cleared up by our primary is how Santorum managed to lose his Senate seat by 19%. He has blown leads of that size in Michigan and now Ohio and Tennessee. I haven’t seen recent polling for Oklahoma but would not be surprised if thathas tightened as well.

    There is a Suffolk poll (I think) showing that Santorum beat Romney among early voters by 17%. That was the lead he had, but Mitt does have the momentum, since it’s all tied up.

    face it. Santorum’s chance to win was Michigan and he blew it. He will stay in the race, no matter what because of the two factors that have defined the race:

    Proportional allocation of delegates

    Unlimited funding of PACS by deep pocket donors

    Of course there is also Mitt’s continued vulnerability on Obamneycare.

  • mikelindell2

    By not reporting it and hoping voters don’t catch wind of it. I am so disappointed in them. I’ve come to expect so much more from our distinguished, objective news agencies.

  • Scope

    that will not vote to make McConnell the next minority/majority leader ever again.

  • lapert

    You really aren’t good at reading polls are you? Sure, you can believe Newt is surging in TN and national polls if you like – the evidence suggests otherwise but if it makes you feel good go right ahead.

    Ah what the heck, I’ll spell it out for you. Check the list of recent national polls at RealClearPolitics. Most recent three polls have Newt at 13, 15, 16. The previous three polls 13, 15, 14. The three before that 15, 15, 10. What surge are you seeing there?

  • zachv

    Just give us some rest before the fall general election!!

  • acat

    is that they are only estimates, and subject to change, especially at the State level. IIRC, a number of Santorum’s wins resulted in “estimated delegates” as well.

    What would happen to, for instance, any Santorum delegates, in the event he suspends his campaign for non-political reasons? (let’s suppose his wife is ill) Are they free to vote for whomever they like? Does Santorum get delegates to the national convention who will then be free to do as they will?

    You see the problem, eh? The whole thing is funny numbers and competing narratives…

    Mew

  • lapert

    Yes, competing narratives and everyone falling over themselves to push a narrative that makes them inevitable -but that is all for show. For the most part, people who have seen primaries over the last two decades have a good idea of how the initial caucuses translate into delegates – with rare exception, being off by +/- a handful of delegates doesn’t change the actual understanding of where the race stands.

    The other question you ask is an interesting one, particularly if something dramatic happens and we end up with a close two man race with no majority and a significant number of delegates sitting with Santorum or Newt before dropping out. The answer is it varies by state whether those delegates can be handed to a candidate after the one they are pledged to drops out, must be handed over to another candidate if the one they are pledged to wants it or if they become free agents.

    If we do somehow get to that point, the political press will be, well let’s just go with overjoyed since this is a family friendly site, covering the resulting ‘gamesmanship’.

  • acat

    is that the rules changed quite a bit this time… including the gamesmanship by the States to both have their early-cake and eat it too … (i.e. we’ll hold a caucus in February but won’t award delegates until much, much later …)

    It’s not the same race that 2008 were…

    I do agree that we’ll see quite a bit of overjoyed press .. especially if we get to the convention without a clear winner in the first round and Ron Paul’s supporters’ gaming of the system bears any fruit….

    Mew

  • mikelindell2

    In TN, PPP poll shows Gingrich up at 27, WeAskAmerica has him tied for lead at 29. Georgia polls have Gingrich up by 15 to over 25. Gallup National Poll has Newt surging to within 5 points of Santorum now. I hope you’re just willfully misinformed and not the pompous fool that you come across as being.

  • lapert

    You are amusing, that’s for sure. I dealt with TN above – misrepresenting the outlier of three polls is something someone willfully misinformed or a pompous fool might do. He isn’t tied in any poll, an honest assessment of all the evidence suggest he is in the mid 20′s with a solid third place finish. A dishonest assessment (one designed for a press release by a candidate rather than meaningful understanding) would look very much like yours – hmm, I wonder where you get your ‘information’.

    As for the national polls – look at the numbers above and tell me what surge you see. Look at today’s Gallup tacking poll, Newt dropped 2 points and is down seven to Santorum (which by the way is most likely statistical noise in the daily samples, as was the two points he had gained yesterday, not evidence of a surge that suddenly fell back).

    And as for Georgia, yep Gingrich is going to win there (though even in the one true positive area you feel the need to misstate reality or somehow miss the poll where he is up by ‘only’ 10). Congratulations on that victory.

  • Ender

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

    It’s not Newt who surged, it’s Santorum falling down to earth that brought them close.

    Romney 38% no change
    Santorum 22% no change
    Gingrich 15% -2%
    Paul 12% +2%

    Where is the surge?

  • minister_of_war

    … It seems that on the heels of Tom Coburn endorsing Romney yesterday, that Romney’s support among conservatives stalwarts is increasing daily.

  • lapert

    The mechanics of moving from caucus to delegates isn’t really different (at least the same few models are in play though some states may be using different ones than in the past).

    Of course it isn’t the same race as 2008, but it isn’t nearly as different once you get beyond the surface that it precludes analysis.

    Who knows, maybe I’m wrong, but I doubt it. We will know soon enough – I would still place my money on, by the time my state votes in a month, us having Romney and the ludicrous Paul left in the race (only of one of which to be taken seriously of course).

  • filobeddoe

    Just my opinion as to the types of Republicans who will vote for Romney, the guy who enacted state run health care with mandates.

    1. Republicans who vote Republican but don’t really pay attention. They vote Republican every time but they never know why. “Oh, we love the way he speaks.”

    2. Uncle Tom Republicans. Mostly media type Republicans, who are embarrassed by the Tea Parties and conservatives amongst their liberal colleagues. For years they’ve been beaten down by the liberal media and always avoid a fight. See Charen, Barone, etc.

    3. Other liberal Republicans.

    4. RINOs.

    Am I forgetting anyone.

  • pdawk

    Who believes his business background matched with executive experience make him the best possible choice.

  • minister_of_war

    John Ashcroft, Tom Coburn, Jay Seculow, and lil ole me who already voted for Romney.

    Since none of the above mentioned people fit into your other four categories.

  • Scope

    They always cry that Paul is being ignored by the media even though I keep having to turn the channel yet again because I don’t want to hear him and his idiocy, especially on Fox.

  • acat

    Specifically, several States (most notably the Santorum hat trick) appear to be changing the rules on the fly.

    VA ballot access changed this year, MI pulled a Scozzafava and awarded a Santorum-won delegate to Romney, and some of those caucus States weren’t caucuses last time… one questions whether the ink is dry on the rules their “State Conventions” or whatever will use…

    I won’t be surprised if Romney is our nominee. Disappointed, but not surprised. That’s quite far removed, though, from proof we’ve used a consistent set of rules….

    Mew

  • acat

    Anyone who’s paid attention to Romney’s record knows he’s got trouble fitting into the fiscal conservative category….

    Mew

  • acat

    (at a guess, you and Coburn under column 1, Ashcroft under column 4… but you’re welcome to reassign yourself)

    Mew

  • lapert

    And there is more potential for sudden change on the margins than I am accounting for – but it still seems to be on the margins that wouldn’t affect the outcome as it looks now. Virginia’s rules don’t change how they allocate delegates (and frankly, I have no sympathy for the campaigns being unable to get to 15,000 signatures regardless of how the rules were changes).

    But the other stuff you are talking about; 1 delegate in Michigan is irrelevant to the outcome, MN and CO – what kind of changes are they making to the rules that would effect more than a few delegates? We are talking about variations on 3-5% when the variance between Romney’s current estimated delegates and 50% is closer to 10% – and will almost certainly increase significantly tomorrow.

    So yes, plenty to complain about and work to fix, but I don’t see how it is enough to impact projections of the final outcome.

  • mikelindell2

    Your misrepresentations of reality would be more acceptable there. FYI, when Romney is at 30 in TN, Newt 29, Santorum 29, that is called a statistical tie. I don’t have time to explain what a margin of error is to you right now though, so I’m sure you’ll remain confused. I quoted 2 TN polls from today, not 1 “outlier.” Are both of the most current polls outliers? As for GA, you actually did refer to the outlier, RCP average has Newt up by 19 in that state. Please take your snarky, ignorant comments elsewhere.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    Could be enough Newt voters in there to make a difference.

  • Scope

    According to this article Santorum has a 17 point lead among early voters in one poll. Santorum has every possibility of pushing Romney back in OH tomorrow. It appears that there is a major effort to deny Romney the wins he needs tomorrow to remain what some believe to be the “inevitable” candidate. This seems to be happening in TN as well. I would be thrilled to see Romney win Mass. and Vermont tomorrow and nothing else. That will lock him up as the northeastern liberal that he is.

  • red_oakster

    Deferring the decision on delegates matters. So does the emergence of Superpacs, which have allowed candidates like Newt and Santorum to stay competitive when the rules of 2008 or 2004 would have sidelined them by now.

    But the biggest factor in all of this has been the weakness of Romney as a front-runner. I think you have to go back to Ford in 1976 to find a more lackluster performance. Romney’s still the favorite of course and a win in Ohio tomorrow would move things significantly in his direction. However, if Romney loses Ohio (and presumably Tennessee and Oklahoma, and Georgia), the elusive spirit Momentum will remain at large.

  • mikelindell2

    There are endless examples of blatant anti-Newt bias and more subtle bias on Fox, here are a few. Let me know when Fox discusses Newt’s surge in Tennessee.

    -At Huck Forum III-Gasparino suggesting that Newt made up $2.50/gal out of thin air.
    -Krauthammer repeatedly calling Newt “unstable”
    -Kirsten Powers constantly saying Newt is a joke
    -Juan Williams accusing Newt of racism
    -Napolitano bashing Newt, even having Beck on his show to declare that you are a racist if you support Gingrich.
    -Ann Coulter perpetually being paraded onto shows to hysterically bash Newt, calling him a “liberal”
    -Cutting off coverage of South Carolina win before any of the other cable news networks did
    -On Huckabee(not forum), the Gov had three person panel who called Gingrich things like “Chuckie” and “disgusting”
    -Bill O’Reilly brought Ann Coulter on his program to discuss one of Newt’s proposals (that’s objective)
    -Fox and Friends brought on Liz Claman last week to declare that Newt’s energy plan won’t work, and the president has no control over oil prices.
    -Don Imus saying some of the most offensive things possible about Newt daily.
    -Special Report interview “undecided” voters in GA, all of whom had negative things to say about Newt even though he is up to almost 50% in polls there.
    -On first Hucakbee Forum, one of the questioners, Pam Bondi (who endorsed Romney) accused Newt of trying to have it both ways. Of course she just could not understand what he was saying.
    The list could literally go on forever.

  • Ender

    also mentions Romney up 3 points among early voters in the NBC/Marist poll with a bigger sample.

    And another poll – PPP, also out today shows Romney up:

    In OH Romney up 40-28 with late deciders and also 41-34 with early voters…combo could put him over top: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/03/split-decision-for-super-tuesday.html

  • minister_of_war

    Senator Coburn, Attorney General Ashcroft or Seculow either liberals, RINOs or uninformed (aka not paying attention) is kind of insulting wouldn’t you think?

  • acat

    Ashcroft is retired, has no reason to keep an oar in anymore.
    Coburn isn’t the sharpest of tacks.

    Shall I go on?

    Mew

  • lapert

    Someone taking one outlier poll as definitive is going to give a lecture on margin of error and statistical analysis, quite laughable. You go ride that surge, hope the hangover on Wednesday isn’t too bad for you.

    Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t make it a misrepresentation of reality – in your world I’m sure Newt has come out as the winner to date, everything is right on track.

    Please take your delusional comments elsewhere.

  • Scope

    You can get just as long a list of negative things said about all the candidates, except Romney on Fox. These same people all said nasty negative things about Gov. Perry also, and on a daily basis. You just happen to be a Newt supporter who is more sensitive about the things said about the candidate you support. If Newt ever became the nominee, I promise that list will be 1,000 times longer. You people believe that Newt eats everyone’s liver, therefore he should be able to defend himself.

  • filobeddoe

    Over $60 million spent. Less than 200 delegates. How much to get the nomination?

  • Cowboy

    Mormons. Don’t forget those millions of Mormons that keep winning states for him.AZ NV WY WA etc. /S

  • Scope

    “I?m inclined to put more stock into Suffolk?s independent poll than Marist?s NBC-partnered survey, but Marist had a larger sample (820 likely voters to Suffolk?s 500). Also, the early vote in the Suffolk poll lines up better with polling in February for Ohio, when Santorum had double-digit leads over Romney. A seventeen-point advantage might be a little on the large side, but it makes more sense than Romney getting a lead in early voting when he trailed so badly in polling before the February 22nd debate.”

    There is also the fact that Santorum has fared better in actual primary/caucus results by approximately 4% than what the polls showed shortly before the contests. If that holds true, that wipes out Romney’s 3 point lead by Marist/NBC in early voting.

  • Scope

    They did the baptism last June, and Perl’s widow is not a happy camper. They did the baptism without the family’s knowledge. EE said that the left will go after Romney’s Mormon religion, and this is a big story on the leftist CNN right now.

  • mikelindell2

    This is getting embarrassing for you. I named TWO polls, both from today. Two is a different number than one. I must have been getting too advanced for you and I apologize.

  • mikelindell2

    Perry was treated unfairly but I feel Newt is getting even worse. It’s not just specific examples, it’s the pattern of bias against him. Positive stories are ignored and negative stories are either manufactured, distorted, or talked about ad nauseam. However, there was no mention on Fox about the new Obamacare/Romney revelations. The guests featured on Fox are almost exclusively pro-Romney which also means anti-Newt because they see him as Romney’s biggest threat. Newt was the only one to win a state against Romney when Romney was running relentless attack ads against him, and judging by the money the Romney campaign/super PAC has thrown at Newt attacking him, the one they feel poses the biggest impediment to Romney’s chances.

  • lapert

    You did mention Gingrich’s number in a second poll, you neglected that to add that he was trailing by 7 points in third place. I know, that undercuts the whole ‘he is statistically tied’ line you want to lead with but what can you do. And of course, you prefer to completely ignore Rasmussen’s poll because it is inconvenient to your preferred narrative. Any realistic assessment of course would take it into account – but reality isn’t your strong suit, you are too ‘advanced’ for that.

    You can spin around in circles for all I care, it will be plain to anyone with half a mind that in your eagerness to see good news for a third place candidate you mangle any rational perspective of the evidence before you.

  • Kyle-MI

    How is this different from any other Mormon practice?

    I have a cousin who converted to Mormonism. I am sure all of my dead relatives have been baptized, big whoop.

    This is just manufactured outrage and whipping up religious bigotry. Why should anyone care who they baptize unless you believe it actually works but the only ones who believe that are Mormons.

  • antisesquipedalion

    conservative stalwart Williard supporter
    . i do not think those words mean what you think they do. oxymoron– look it up

  • mikelindell2

    Cavuto just suggested that Newt has been attacking Ann Romney and the whole Romney family in an interview he just conducted with Ann. He gathered this because if he criticizes Mitt, it’s really a personal attack on the whole family. WOW

  • mikelindell2

    I said that Newt was statistically tied in one poll which is absolutely true. Your comprehension skills leave much to be desired. I also said that in a separate PPP poll he was at 27%, which is right around the number WAA has him in where he is statistically tied with Romney/Rick. Not sure which Rasmussen poll you’re talking about, maybe the outlier that has him up by small double digits in GA where the rest have him up by much larger margins. Either way, arguing with someone that cannot comprehend, or refuses to comprehend, innocent facts that I present is a huge waste of my time. Good luck to you

  • Scope

    The leftists will be the biggest bigots in criticizing another religion. Now, there are many Christians, and those from various other religions that would be really PO’d with another religious institution to take it upon themselves to baptize those that have never wanted to be baptized in their religion. Ask Tony Perkins how he would feel if the Mormons baptized him after he died. Ask Jeremiah Wright if he would mind being baptized in the Mormon church without his knowledge, and after he passes..LOL They are supposed to be baptizing departed relatives of Mormon’s, who make those requests. How the heck did they get Daniel Perls name when no one requested the baptism.

  • minister_of_war

    Can you name someone who would fit in your very restrictive class of an acceptable conservative? My guess is that you’re as difficult to please as most domestic felines.

  • lapert

    You are going to need it. Newt has a very small chance in TN (somewhere between the 5% chance that fivethirtyeights model gives him and the 10% chance he is trading at on Intrade is probably accurate enough). You selectively using one number from the PPP poll to corroborate your perspective while ignoring the numbers for the other candidates from that poll because they would show Newt further behind is, well the act of someone who can’t comprehend or refuses to comprehend reality.

    Oh, and the Rasmussen poll is the one from TN that doesn’t fit your preferred story at all – might want to check it out.

  • acat

    I have no desire nor need to play word games nor Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon with you.

    Mew

  • minister_of_war

    Good day.

  • acat

    Not really paying attention.

    Mew

  • minister_of_war

    I wanted your all-knowing intellect to enlighten me on who could possibly fit your standard of perfection for a conservative. I guess that, I’ll just have to stay uninformed on that because you do not actually know how to be happy.

  • acat

    And if you were paying attention, you would know .. I’ve been fairly obvious about it.

    Mew

  • bankalyst

    Scope, this is a very good article about it from a descendant of a Holocaust survivor (and victim):

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/02/29/mormon-ritual-threat-jews/1OraMoZkrzyspM1vqmQa8L/story.html

    In any case, it is official policy for the LDS church to NOT baptize any Holocaust survivors, this was an issue in the early 90′s or something. MItt will continue to do a good job of re-focusing the narrative to the economy and Obama’s failed Presidency.

  • Common_Cents

    Those brainwashed into thinking that he’s the ‘safe’ candidate.

    Gingrich will have a tougher time in primary then he would in the general.

    Romney and Santorum are having an easier time in primary and would have a tougher race to win in general.

  • filobeddoe

    One disqualifier should be anyone who voted for government run heathcare. Is that something conservatives vote for?

  • acat

    (null)

  • Ender

    in his favor. In Michigan and Arizona and Washington he fared worse when momentum was away from him. As the momentum is clearly against him in Ohio and other states. There is more than just Marist, like I said, that is showing Romney ahead in the early vote. The reason why Romney is ahead is because he has organization on the ground turning out the vote. And now he is ahead with late deciders because of momentum off the recent wins.

  • trickamsterdam

    I like Tom but don’t forget he endorsed McCain last time OVER Romney. So already MoW’s record of on the turntable of ogic starts to skip.

    That is, if he was so great and conservative, why din’t Coburn endorse him last time?

    But unfortunately, Coburn’s skips too. If being a “career politician” was so bad why did he endorse McCain the last time over Romney?

    I think it’s this: he just keeps endorsing the person he thinks can most beat the Democrat in November.

    Maybe not a bad strategy, except he always guesses badly.

    As far as a solution I’ll just say this:

    brokered.convention.now.or.Obama.again.Soon. (but Newt people had better understand if Romney takes OH the chance of stopping him is close to gone)

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    What ought to end Mittmentum is the recent revelation that Romney advocated for a NATIONWIDE individual mandate in 2009…

    Yes, Newt was for it in recent years too and yes, both have said they would seek repeal of same, and yes, both are 500 times better than Obama and more reliable obviously, than him to seek repeal, BUT

    Santorum is the most reliable to repeal ObamaCare and not replace it with more Big Government. He has never been for an individual mandate and unlike Newt who in Florida doubled-down on support for Medicare Rx bill; Rick says that vote was wrong.

    I will be voting for Santorum here in Stone Mountain of Georgia tomorrow; my part-time, long-time girlfriend, a life-time activist Democrat now working for a Democrat House in the Georgia state legislature will be casting her first ever vote in a GOP primary for Romney; and my two best friends here are voting for Newt. I would say that among my Republican friends writ large here in Atlanta-Tucker-Stn Mtn-Marietta that about 40% are for Newt, 30% for Santorum, 29% for Romney and a few young people and/or conspiracy theorists are for He Whose Name I Shall Once Again No Longer Utter as I recently heard Mark Levin play some tapes of Paul’s meanness against Reagan in the 80s and screaming that the CIA planted crack in the ‘hood in the 90s.

    PS back in the 2008 election cycle I always referred to the OB-GYN candidate as He Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered. I am returning to that policy.

    smile

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    It will be because he outspent Santorum 12-1 (per Mark Levin), almost all of it on negative ads and robocalls. I’m getting calls from Camp Romney up to 6 times A DAY!

    In one he’s trying to be Sexy Mitt, opening with, ‘Hiiiiiiii….This is Mitt Romney…what are you wearing?” Or something. The worst are the calls and ads saying that Santorum isn’t pro-life and Romney is. Throwing that out the weekend before the election when Santorum doesn’t have time to respond is disgusting and shows you the character of the man is behind the smile.

    All we can do is hope enough Ohioans are so sick to death of having Mitt interrupt their breakfast, lunch, dinner, American Idol, The Bachelor, their yoga time, and their midnight snack that they hit Santorum on the touchscreen tomorrow.

  • Whacker77

    Mitt’s going to be our nominee and he’s going to lose. Despite his money, he’ll only be able to flip Indiana and North Carolina back to the Republican column. He might be able to flip Florida, but that’s up in the air. Regardless, Obama is going to win a solid reelection. We’ve done this to ourselves by suffering foolish candidates like Bachmann and Cain.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …as per Special Report, which highlighted only two contenders.

    Also, on “The Five,” Barbara Bush lovingly endorsed Mitt and his family and his sons and his cousins and his accomplishments….

  • Kyle-MI

    I can see that as a way to blunt this attack. What is good for Romney is good for Reid.

    Or maybe we can just make it official policy that Mormons can’t run for President. Of course, that is silly because the President has nothing to do with what Mormons or any other religion practices. That is another line of defense.

    Or we can point out how this is a distraction from real issue like the economy and jobs that Presidents can actually do something about.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and it remains perplexing.

    Incessantly, today, based the WSJ article, it is claimed that the GOP Establishment wants mitt ASAP because of the damage being done to the party…forgetting that this process is intended to allow the best candidate to emerge therefrom.

    this was on all three cable networks, all day

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …which may be discerned in my Diary and at Guzzardi’s “Liberty Blog.”

  • minister_of_war

    …prior to February 12, Romney held substantial leads in the state. I’m not sure how early the early ballots there first started going out, but this could have something to do with why Romney might actually hold a lead on early voting too.

    Plus, the biggest thing of all when it comes to early voting is a campaign spending the money to target its voters & pay to get targeted early voters to return their ballots on time.

  • Scope

    But the fact is that the MSM will go after the Mormons with Mitt, and the Christians with Santorum or Newt. The left has surely, without doubt, waged a war on religion. How else can Obama and his fellow Communists win the war? If any religion is left standing, it takes precedence over the worshiping of the government, who can be the arbiter of literally life and death. Didn’t Mao starve his people to death? Aren’t the North Koreans starving their people to death. A bag of rice to feed a community makes you subserviant to the dictators. Harsh yes, but the direction I really do believe Obama is going in.

  • redmymind

    But as bad, creepy, and disgusting as Romney and his underhanded tactics are, I have to ultimately fault the people who let themselves get suckered in by a mere negative ad or robocall–or even a whole barrage of them, for that matter.

    That they would be so easily molded by such devices only reveals how shallow their understanding is about what’s really at stake and just what kind of a smug creep Romney really is.

    As for Fox Noise, here’s their MO:

    1. More positive Romney coverage.

    2. Minimize unfavorable coverage of Romney (i.e. huge gaffes that either Santorum or Newt would otherwise get grilled on for WEEKS).

    3. Negative coverage or coverage at least casting doubt on any not-Romney close enough to be a threat to their de facto nominee.

    4. Neutral to favorable coverage of the other not-Romney candidates for the very purpose of diverting attention away from the not-Romney closest to beating Romney–especially when these not-Romney candidates self-servingly fire shots at the not-Romney candidate who happens to be in the lead. This is a clear attempt by Fox to indirectly bleed air out of the leading not-Romney candidate . . . to slow him down for their nominee.

    Their idea of “fair and balanced” is to throw in a couple of token counter-examples to the four points just mentioned, so that they can turn around and claim that they “have” in fact been fair to the leading not-Romney candidate.

    The idea, of course, is to frame and cover things in such a manner that they end up favoring Romney . . . “for the most part.”

    Strip away these “special privileges,” however, and you end up with a Massachusetts liberal/serial flip-flopper who suffers from a singular inability to connect with people.

    Why does BHO want to run against BHO Lite so badly by feigning to fear him with the frequent jabs from his MSM lapdogs?

    How blind is the good-ole-boys establishment in thinking that BHO actually fears the Massachusetts fool?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because, therefore, we need not read any more of your postings!

  • greyeagle

    The media did the same thing to Governor Rick Perry, and now they are doing it to Newt.

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    Today Megyn Kelly held a panel for the express purpose of highlighting Romney’s “seminal moment” (Kelly’s words) with the veteran’s father at the Huckabee forum. Other comments from the forum:

    “He had a passion, so this is game over for Romney”
    “My God, his heart really does bleed!”

    The entire panel had a thrills up their legs! It was absurd.

    And of course, during the forum, Newt was interrogated about his goal of getting gas prices to $2.50 and asked to provide empirical data that he would dot that. Both Newt and Santorum were asked multiple follow-up questions and were forced to depend their positions.

    Romney? Not so much. He was asked a stupid question about how he’d advise his granddaughter if she wanted to open a lemonade stand and got the “seminal moment” with the weeping dad.

    And then there was Chris “Romney’s my home boy” Wallace on Sunday beating the dead contraception horse with Santorum again. He asked Rick if he thinks people who use contraception are wrong. As if that is in any way germane to a presidential campaign in a year when the economy is threatening our entire way of life in this country.

  • greyeagle

    should have thought twice about trying to shove Romney down the voter’s throats, when it is obviously not wanted. Basically, who cares what they want.

  • greyeagle

    Fox has lost all credibility with me as a long time viewer. I have not only told the “5″, but Roger Ailes. Chris Wallace is a liberal and hates conservatives. He was horrible to Governor Perry and of course Newt. They are a little better with Santorum because he was a paid analyst with FOX.

  • greyeagle

    I thought better of John Ashcroft and Tom Coburn that to endorse Romney.

  • greyeagle

    Yes he did, but people don’t seem to either know about it or remember it.

  • clowngirl

    He’ll almost certainly exceed expectations tommorow, and quitting will most likely be the furthest thing from his mind.

    As to the VA ballot controversy there was lengthy discussion about it on RedState at the time (with most people very unhappy w/ the VA GOP)

    There’s no need to rehash it now.

    The fact you drag it up is just evidence you consider Newt a threat.

  • acat

    And still have money left for the general?

    Mew

  • rmike

    The reason we should vote for Romney is that he is the best candidate to defeat Obama in November. I don’t care if he is a Mormon or not. He is a conservative and he is our best candidate in the remaining 4.

    I hope after tomorrow, all conservatives will unite together and put our effort in supporting our eventual nominee. Remember the goal is to put a Republican in the White House instead of the enemy-appeasing, money-wasting Obama who is destroying our country. I know even the people who dislike Romney right now will eventually come to their senses and help to get a conservative Republican elected in November.

  • trickamsterdam

    @ clowngirl: “Actually it’s looking like Newt may pull off a win in TN, GA and he’s working hard in OK” – clowngirl

    Right but Romney must lose in OH tomorrow or it probably doesn’t matter what Newt does.

    The important thing is to convince the Establishment that Romney isn’t “electable” so they stop helping him (which they are doing everyday and in every way).

    We have to get Romney out of the Race or at least wound him badly.

    Newt supporters MUST vote for Santorum in OH. Everywhere else, yeah go for Newt.

    Santorum is screwed on the delegates anyway. But we need the headline that says : “ROMNEY LOST”.

    ***

    @acat: “How long can Romney afford to out-spend 5-1? And still have money left for the general?” – acat

    We’ve already passed that point. He’s going to have to start using his own money soon. Maybe I’ll try to find the link later, but it was a big story on RCP maybe two weeks ago.

    I put it in a post, but I can never find my old posts on this site.

    All his donors are big donors who are maxed out or tired of him anyway. The Super Pac will dry up once they realize he’s going to lose to Obama (probably sometime in September or very early October).

    Most of the people w/ the Super Pac aren’t passionate conservatives and aren’t going to back a loser…if they were passionate they’d never back this guy to begin with.

    So it’s another reason his “I’m electable” argument is completely false and almost over. If we can keep this going a bit longer he’ll have to use his own money.

    When that headline happens: “Romney has to use his own money” the rubber will be off the wheels and the frame will be starting to make sparks on the road.

    ***

    brokered.convention.now.or.Obama.again.Soon. (Newt people vote for him anywhere else but Romney MUST lose in OH or this thing may be on its last legs)

  • clowngirl

    At least a couple of them.

    Candidates are always expected to win states where they have a large and obvious advantage. It’s not something Newt made up.

    It’s just silly to suggest that Michigan- where Romney grew up and where his father was Governor is not his home state or – at the very least *a* home state.

  • JSobieski

    If you call a place a home, and retract it later—what does that make you?

    It makes you a Romney, that’s what.

  • JSobieski

    If he can keep that up, he really could win.

    But that is a BIG if

  • clowngirl

    Newt supporters voting for Santorum in Ohio – giving him his first primary victory while leaving Speaker Gingrich a paltry showing- would definitely not be helpful.

    I’m leaning towards thinking it’d be better if Romney wins Ohio.

    Wonder how much knowing Newt’s now tied for the lead in TN might help him in OH.

    Then at least we might finally get a two man race- not right away – but maybe after Newt wins Alabama and Missippi.

  • trickamsterdam

    You are among the truly stupid at political strategy.. You’re really among the worst posters on here in your own way. Since a lot of people probably use their nicknames from real life as Internet handles I now think I understand why you are called “clowngirl”.

    I can’t believe I wasted the time it took (three minutes) to type that last post to you. But this one was fun to write.

    Guess what though…I’m just as hard-headed as you. So when we get stuck w/ this guy (Romney) I’m gonna sit out the general election.

    Then you can get stuck w/ Obama just like I got stuck w/ Romney.

    I’ll be stuck w/ him too but like George Will I’m at peace w/ it. Maybe I’ll start wearing a bowtie which will help me even more.

    Well we all these things we feel we have to do and not do. I guess you’re alright. But Romney winning really won’t help Newt and will in fact seal his fate.

    So long I won’t be responding to you anymore.

    LOL.

    ***

    I’m not even going to put my usual slogan at the end about a brokered convention because it just doesn’t matter anymore. ;)

  • clowngirl

    As to the “substance” of his post. I think it’s truly stupid to vote against the candidate you want to win and support a guy whose surge was a blip on the radar.

    There are a lot of Newt-friendly states coming up and, besides that, Romney hasn’t won by any majorities. No reason to assume he won’t have a chance head to head.

  • krish

    In fact, Romney’s record & the lack of conservative enthusiasm for Mittens was analyzed very well by MSNBC crowd. Of course, they have a ulterior motive but at least they are pointing out something that our reliable conservative media in radio are also Not discussing much – the conservative base is not excited about Romney!

    Let us concentrate on electing the conservatives to the senate & house – those that will have some spine to stop Obama in his second term!

  • laodalisque

    Romney’s not a conservative, he’s a Republican–there’s a big difference between the two terms. Additionally, there’s not a heckofalot of difference between MattelMitt and Obummer no matter how you look at it. And finally, he IS NOT the best candidate we could send up against the campaigner in chief–Newt is.

    But the idiots on FoxSnooze and the other Lamestream take every opportunity to trash Newt and talk up Romney because they’ve obviously been instructed by the GOP-Establishment that the party’s agenda setting prerogatives MUST BE wrested back from the Tea Party. This is the big fat reason that I, at least, am done with the GOP–they’re treacherous, cowardly, and ungrateful to the movement that vaulted their sorry a**ses back to relevance in 2010 and this is how they repay that movement. Fine. If the Mattel-churian Candidate is the nominee, I’m voting for Obummer, at least he doesn’t suffer from congenital floppy plasticity like MattelMitt does.

  • Bob_Frazier

    I live just north of Cincinnnati. Virtually everyone I’ve spoken with plans to vote for Rick Santorum. I think Mitt may be in for a severe shock in about 12 hours.

  • pieter

    I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact many will vote for Romney and Santorum. Does anyone actually look at the facts about these candidates? What have they voted for and where are they in relation to our goals? One is the godfather of Obamacare and the other sold his soul to big labor-govt…both have a terrible record on the rights of the unborn.

    I live in TN and plan on voting for Speaker Gingrich with a clear conscience. I wonder how some of you can stand living with yourselves.

  • clowngirl

    Romney 32, Santorum 28, Newt 24

    Santorum’s numbers are falling, Gingrich is making big gains.

    So I forgive TrickAmsterdam for his nastiness- it must be painful for him to watch.

    (that probably sounds sarcastic but is meant sincerely)

  • lapert

    Newt trails Snatorum by 4 in one poll, he isn’t closer than 15 in the other 6 from the same time frame. Hmm, what should we conclude from that.

    There is something in the ‘analysis’ that is painful to watch alright.

  • xymbaline

    You’re a troll, deliberately pounding on an unverifiable drum.

    Your sole goal is to minimize Newt’s ascending influence.

    The good news is, it’s not working.

    If you actually believed what you’re saying, you’d make a post, then if the results bear you out and not us, you could have a hearty “I told you so”.

    That’s what an honest person would do.

    Trolls, however, pound on a negative point over and over hoping that the sheer repetition will make a dent in people’s confidence.

    Sorry goober, we’re on to you.

  • lapert

    These are straight numbers – easily verified, the pools are conveniently located in in one place on realclearpolitics.

    You may be on to me, but your good news isn’t real – Newt isn’t ascending in this race right now and the opportunity to do is essentially over.

    Sorry goober, reality is on to you – in the next 12 hours or so you can start facing it.

  • xymbaline

    and Whacker77 = Romneybot.

  • xymbaline

    It’s simple, really. the more you take the time to listen to Newt, the more you hear someone qualified to be President of the United States.

  • Juggernaut

    No way I’d sellout to someone like Romney.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    and what do you think of this below:

    http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2012/03/03/the-red-meat-economy-part-of-a-so-called-improving-economy-dooms-obama-re-election-prospects/

  • trickamsterdam

    Not unless he’s the most clever mole ever and even then he’d have out-smarted himself and done his job too well.

    He trashes Romney almost as much as me and almost more passionately than me.

    And it’s not like the other Romney people who won’t admit they’re Romney people and say “Oh I can’t stand Romney” but then list 50 reasons after that that you should vote for him.

    Whacker77 has made a great case that Romney’s unelectable in many posts.

    And since Romney has no other rational as to why anyone should vote for him other than “electability” saying Romney is unelectable is kind of like accusing Santorum of being pro-choice.

    I think he’s just depressed and I guess has given up.

    I’m not giving up until Newt and Santorum have both left the Race and it’s clear no one else is getting in.

    I’ll fight until there are absolutely no options left. No more bullets in the gun at all. Then I’ll give up.

    But then I’m really giving up and checking out of this whole mess until Thanksgiving.

  • mikelindell2

    PPP and WAA both have Newt with huge surge in TN. Those are the two most recent polls from that state. More bad news for you, WAA has Newt within 8 in Ohio, another surge. Sorry but these are the polls. You shouldn’t be mad at those of us who cite them. Whether these polls lead to victory is unknown. However, there should be no debate about what they say.

  • clowngirl

    If there is a recent trend towards Newt – partly fueled by his recent surge in TN – the other polls may not be picking up on it yet.

    overall though, Santorum is definitely losing support across the board (as compared to a couple of weeks ago) and Newt is coming back up. Suggesting Newt supporters should abandon their candidate now and thrown in with Santorum is absurd.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2012/03/06/2552/

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    http://www.redstate.com/rsklaroff/2012/03/06/fox-news/

  • clowngirl

    and both trends have been confirmed by more than one poll.

    Also, the last Ohio poll I can find ended on 3/4 and, well, a lot has happened since then.

    Namely, Newt has now polled as statistically tied for the lead in Tennessee — a 17 point gain from polls taken not that long ago. Other polls aren’t quite as favorable as that but still show huge gains. And Newt has continued to campaign there (or to send surrogates) since that poll was taken- making him a legitimate contender for the win.

    I read that Santorum has dropped as many as 15 points in Ohio polls. The TN poll that found Newt tied for the lead had Santorum dropping as many as 11 points.

    Anyway, my point is — how much of Santorum’s support in Ohio is of the soft “he’s currently the guy with the momentum” variety? is it not possible and even probable that some people who have now seen Newt regaining momentum (and Santorum losing it) in other states — looking like he might conceivably win 3-4 states and come out of Super Tuesday with big delegate gains (he could make big gains delegate wise even if he doesn’t win any state but GA) — might decide at the last minute to change their vote to Newt?

    Incidentally, given the way Santorum’s numbers have dropped and/or plunged in national polls and in a number of state polls in recent weeks — and given the effort Newt is putting into campaigning in Oklahoma it’s very annoying that there is no new polls available (none that I have found, anyway) since the one that was taken showing Santorum with a big lead on 2/21. ( Which was BEFORE Michigan and Arizona and his often substantial drop in many polls since then)

    It’s also very annoying that the Georgia debate was cancelled. It’s easy to imagine Newt would’ve had a very good performance and would be performing even better in the polls now.

  • lapert

    I think you are putting a bit much into the causal relationship between polls. 3/4 was two days ago – the TN poll is of the same date. A single close poll in TN has no casual effect on outcomes in OH (and it is still an outlier among other polls in the same timeframe). In terms of events that you would expect to drive shifts in perspective, very little has happened since Sunday.

    A double digit drop in a single poll, particularly when you have many other polls at the same time that don’t show it, is most certainly not a good indicator of momentum but far more likely an indicator of an off poll (which is not just not unusual but to be expected due to the statistical nature of polling – if you have no weird results across 10-20 polls you should suspect bias in the polling).

    In Ohio, Santorum’s polling numbers are down a few points on average from the peak two weeks ago – from ~37 to ~32, those points have shifted to Romney, not Newt who, with the exception of one outlier, is polling int eh same 13-18 range he has been for the past two week. Again, that is not an indication of movement, this is a very clear indication of stable support levels. Given that, there really doesn’t seem to be evience to suggest that Sanroum’s support is soft in a way that benefits Newt.

    In OK, there were two polls last week (ARG and YouGov) both showing Santorum with sizable leads at 37/38%, Mitt in second at 26/30% and Newt in third with 22%. I suspect that has tightened in a similar way to TN and OH but given the size of the lead Santorum probably holds on there with ease.

    I don’t see any realistically conceivable way Newt wins 3-4 states today (I can of course conceive of some highly unlikely events that would help but the time for sudden hurricanes is running short). He will win Georgia, he has a tiny possibility of winning TN and that is his upper limit.

  • clowngirl

    I hadn’t seen these polls. I’m not familiar with ARG or YouGov – is there are reason why RCP isn’t including them? What is their track record?

    As to the double digit drops. I was referring to the national polls — Santorum was polling in the mid to high thirties (39% in a Rasmussen poll on 2/14, 38% on 2/10) his average now is 26.7) with individual polls having him as low as 24 (I see one with that number on RCP and think I’ve seen another with the same result but don’t remember where and don’t have time right now to look)

    Santorum has been as high as 42 in Ohio and now is polling as low as 28 — the Ohio polls seem to be varying somewhat widely — with some polls having him neck and neck with Romney and others with Romney somewhat comfortably ahead.

    The way Newt could win 4 states is if that poll for Ohio (which – with more data now – does appear to be an outlier) where Newt hasn’t campaigned much were picking up on a trend and he also won OK, TN, and GA.

    I’m not saying it’s likely — I’m saying Newt has is regaining momentum and — if there are bandwagon jumpers who were saying they would vote for Santorum – some of that support may come back to Newt.

    I’m not predicting Newt will win 3 states. I do think it’s possible he wins Tennessee – and probable that he exceeds expectations there and in Oklahoma and comes out of Super Tuesday with renewed momentum..

  • clowngirl

    I did go off half cocked looking at a poll and not checking to see how it matched up with others conducted around the same time while I was ticked off after being insulted and seeing a call for Newt supporters to vote for Santorum..

    (both of which are things I don’t have much stomach for)

    so, yeah, it was an ill conceived post and you accurately pointed that out.

    I still think the momentum has shifted in Newt’s favor.

    Santorum — with the huge advantages that go with being perceived as the primary non-Romney, much more positive press than Newt, and no GA debate – may (or may not) hang on to win TN and OK but I suspect the margins will be much less than should be expected of him under the circumstances.

    If Newt does somehow pull out a win in TN, it should rightfully be seen as a huge victory and an enormous blow to Santorum.

    If he were to somehow lose OH and TN it would be a disaster for his campaign.

  • clowngirl

    “if he were to somehow lose OH and TN it would be a disaster for his campaign”

    The “he” referred to is Santorum, not Newt.

  • lapert

    Maybe you should have done a better job understanding what the polls were saying – it was a remarkably predictable set of outcomes (outside of ND, AK and ID which were just guesses) yesterday.