I reported on Tucker Carlson's interview with Balazs Orban, the political director for Hungary's prime minister Viktor Orban the other day. Now the interview with Viktor Orban himself is out and it's very interesting. 

First, Orban said he thought it was a wrong take to think Ukraine was winning because Russia had more numbers. He also said the Russians weren't going to get sick of Vladimir Putin and throw him out. Then, he explained that if any Western country would send boots on the ground, then we would be in a "Third World War.”

"It's a very dangerous moment now," he said. "The Third World War could be knocking on our door so we have to be very very careful."  

Tucker asked what should NATO, what should Joe Biden's next move be regarding Ukraine. Orban said, "Peace." Then he followed up with, "Call back Trump. That's the only way out."

Tucker Carlson asks Viktor Orbán what his next move would be in the war in Ukraine if he were in charge of NATO:

"Peace, immediately. Call back Trump. That's the only way out." pic.twitter.com/o8cR5OTtNX

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) August 29, 2023

Orban went on to say what he thought about the former president.

“Because you know, you can criticize him for many reasons. I understand all the discussion. But the best foreign policy of the recent several decades belonged to him. He did not initiate any new war. He treated nicely the North Koreans and Russia, even the Chinese, you know. He delivered a policy which was the best one for Middle East, the Abraham Accords. So that was a very good foreign policy.

He’s criticized because he’s not educated enough to understand the world. This is not the case. Facts count and his foreign policy was the best form for the world in the last several decades I have seen. And if he would have been the president at the moment the Russian invasion started, no, it would not be possible to do that by the Russians. So Trump is the man who can save the western world and probably the human beings in the world as well.

You can see from that answer why he wouldn't be popular with Joe Biden.

Orban said he thought Ukraine joining NATO could mean "immediate war danger for all of us."  He said that the war could be settled quickly but that was up to the United States. 

To be Hungarian, we are very proud of it. We love the nation, we love the country, and we are proud of it. It’s not very much mainstream thinking, political thinking of today western societies. But in Hungary, we are still very patriotic and Christian and committed to those values.

"I am not the favorite politician of the liberals," he added, saying that the reason they were able to preserve things was because they were focused on the "we" and on higher appeals that just the ego, family, God, and nation that they have to serve, rather than just being concerned about the "ego."  He said it's out of fashion in the West now, and indeed that's right. I think I remember when that was what animated the U.S. -- the things that united us, rather than the things that divided us. 

They spoke about how the Biden administration doesn't like Orban, that some call him a racist, much as they do Republicans here. 

He had a great answer to that, though. Liberal originally meant freedom, he said, but now in Europe, Orban said that liberal means you are the "enemy of fthe freedom." Pretty much the same in the U.S. as well. 

Orban said they were allies to the United States but he thought they were treated worse than Russia by the Biden administration, in terms of people who might work in Hungary but then who are also double taxed by the U.S. He said the Biden administration spent money to try to defeat him in his election, but he won anyway. 

Tucker asked Orban if he was a puppet of Vladimir Putin. Orban went into the history of the country being crushed by Russia and said that no Hungarian could be a puppet with that history. 

Tucker had a great question at the end of the interview for Orban, the "fascist." Did he consider indicting his challenger on documents charges, he asked, in a pointed shot at Joe Biden and the targeting of Trump.  Orban said that kind of thing "was not part of our culture." "That was done by the Communists," he said. "It's a very Communist methodology to do that." They may disagree on things, he explained, but they wouldn't do that because they were concerned about uniting the nation.  What a concept, that's a thought that once we seemed to hold as sacred. 

Here's the full interview. 

Ep. 20 Hungary shares a border with Ukraine. We traveled to Budapest to speak with the country’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán. pic.twitter.com/LOzpMrQNIz

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) August 29, 2023