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Paul Krugman: Don’t You Remember Who Serves Whom?

Promoted from the diaries by Vladimir.

In my diary entries I very rarely speak of my profession. I am an economist. No, I am not famous, or even well-known in my field. While I do post here on Redstate on occasion, I do not mention my profession because most of my postings have little to do with economics or are areas where economists’ views differ. However, in his recent article Yes, Medicare is Sustainable in Its Current Form Paul Krugman makes some statements to which I must respond. In his article, he states:

What is true is that the U.S. Medicare is expensive compared with, say, Canadian Medicare (yes, that’s what they call their system) or the French health care system (which is complicated, but largely single-payer in its essentials); that’s because Medicare American-style is very open-ended, reluctant to say no to paying for medically dubious procedures, and also fails to make use of its pricing power over drugs and other items.

So Medicare will have to start saying no; it will have to provide incentives to move away from fee for service, and so on and so forth. But such changes would not mean a fundamental change in the way Medicare works. (emphasis mine)

You chose the title for your article “Yes, Medicare is Sustainable in Its Current Form” and the proceed to describe how Medicare will have to “start saying NO” and you advise that Medicare should “use its pricing power over drugs and other items”.

Well, if Medicare will have to start saying “no to certain spending” then seniors can expect to get less from Medicare and you are changing Medicare. If Medicare starts using its pricing power then seniors can expect fewer doctors from which to choose and longer wait times and you are changing Medicare You suggest that Medicare move away from a fee for service program. Do that and you are changing Medicare

Gee, Paul Ryan‘s plan suggests moving away from a fee for service concept as well, but with one big difference. Under Ryan’s plan which is designed to give seniors the same health care that congressmen have, seniors have the choice of dozens of plans so seniors could choose the plan that most closely meets their needs and preferences. How many different plans will you allow, Paul? Hmmmm. Single Payer. Single means one. One means…no senior under your plan will have any choices So if there is only one provider who will decide which health treatments are “Medically dubious”? Oh that’s right. The unelected 15 member health board to be appointed by President Obama next year. Will this health board be made up of the people who believe that treating the elderly for cancer is “dubious” because they have so little time left to enjoy the cost of their treatment? Is this what you mean, Paul? Who decides for whom what their coverage should be? Shouldn’t seniors have a choice? Not be dictated to like little children?

I will remind you Paul, as is well-established in our economic discipline, that it is not up to us to decide for people what their preferences should be, but rather to enable them to better achieve their preferences, or in the words of a great economists F.A. Hayek “A society that does not recognize that each individual has values of his own which he is entitled to follow can have no respect for the dignity of the individual and cannot really know freedom.”

COMMENTS

  • ohiohistorian

    for the leftists. Paul, did you forget the fact that Medicare ALREADY has the highest denial of service rate of any insurance in the US? http://www.liensettlementsolutions.com/lienresolution/medicare-denied-claims-and-conditional-payments

    It really is too bad that Paul lets his partisan flackism undermine his reputation as a Nobel Laureate. Right now, Paul, you are about as believable as John Kerry was when he said he was sent to Cambodia by President Nixon in 1968. I think Hillary called it a willing suspension of unbelievability.

    • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

      ever stated why he wants to keep Medicare alive? It’s obvious the system is unsustainable. The Medicare trustee has even said so himself! I suppose he and Krugman need to have a discussion so Krugman can get that through his mush brain.

      I keep reading statements from Democrats about how seniors love Medicare and will fight to the death for it. In my experience only half of that statement is true, seniors will fight to the death to retain it. Not because they love the system but rather, and Krugman surely knows this, because they’ve spent a lifetime being forced to pay into it and now they want their money back. The same is true for Social Security.

      My father who is 70, always hated being coerced into paying into SS but now that he’s receiving it, in addition to a Navy retirement, a private company retirement, and he financially doesn’t need it there is no way he would ever not take the money because he is just trying to get his forced contributions back.

      What Krugman and the Leftists fear is true choice that would free We the People from the grip of programs run by the government and manipulated by the politicians for political gain.

      In my opinion that is the only reason they refuse to consider real reform or even abolition of either Medicare or SS.

      And if Krugman were a real economist he would know this. I suspect he does but since he’s a true believer and one who believes he has the wisdom to order our lives better than we ourselves he insists on a government program.

      Krugman is just another smug, arrogant, power hungry, know it all elitist who refuses to believe that we are willing and able to manage our lives without help from him and his fellow travelers.

      Liberals need conservatives, conservatives do not need liberals.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    If “Medicare starts using its pricing power”, does Krugman not believe that the Health Care Industry will push back with it’s lobbying power?

    If I can move my choice of health care provider and insurer, then I and millions like me have the power to move the market.

    What chance do I have against the lobbyists of the Single Payer?

  • acat

    He knows perfectly well what will happen.

    Since it conflicts with his desired worldview, he chooses to ignore it.

    The truth peeks in from the corners of Krugman’s work from time to time, usually by accident.

    Mew

  • http://stevemaley.com Steve Maley

    1) I wonder if the good Professor Krugman knows who F.A. Hayek is (j/k), and

    2) Please don’t hesitate to bring your expertise to bear in your writing and comments. That was the “hook” that got me reading further.

  • reddog53

    You’re exactly right…’saying no’ isn’t sustaining Medicare as we know it, it is fundamentally transforming it into a sclerotic, cost based system of rationing.

    Going to single payer and saying ‘no’ is exactly what the Canadian and British systems do, and they have long since passed the point of quality care. The statistics out of Massachusetts, which sets costs arbitrarily, shows that lowering health care costs by lowering payments to doctors — surprise! — leads to fewer doctors and less care.

    Krugman is a fool.

    However, instead of writing about that here at RedState, we need to swarm the NYT with letters to that effect!

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Jacobson get2djnow

    Krugman knows exactly what he’s saying & why. His goals are: be a cheerleader for Obozo, & attempt to undermine opposition arguments at every opportunity. Increasingly, people don’t want to see him in his cheerleader outfit, and they are tired of his lame, contrived attacks.

  • gpclaw

    Krugman’s vision for the future of Medicare, will result in a reduction of services, and seniors not receiving life extending treatment to serious illness. What Krugman is not telling people, is that receive the same level of service as they receive now, seniors would need to do what a majority of people in single payer countries do, purchase additional, private coverage, using their own resources.

    If a person wants to rely on just the voucher proposal in Ryan’s plan, this will also lead to a reduction in services. The difference, is that Ryan is being honest about this feature in his plan,by telling us that the voucher will be means tested. He is telling people that they will be expected to contribute something towards their own health care future.

    Krugman’s deception, or Ryan’s honesty, these are your choices.

    PS: Price controls, what could go wrong?

  • http://www.FranBaker.com frankieb

    What other name is there for them? By refusing to render care to seniors, they’re condemned to death. Unless they can pay out of pocket or leave the country for treatment.

  • gpclaw

    Reality doesn’t apply to the left. Every good liberal knows, if you close your eyes, and just wish hard enough, dreams really do come true.

    If a Krugman-esque Medicare program ever came to be, when it reached it’s inevitable failure, the left will close their collectivist eyes, and wish the truth away, instead blaming any failure on Bush /Koch brothers /corporations /the rich /racism /global warming..

  • gpclaw

    Any solution to Medicare will mean individuals accepting more cost.

    In the case of government run Medicare, this may mean purchasing an additional, private health insurance policy that provides coverage for treatments deemed to expensive by Medicare, or simply paying cash.

    In the case of Ryan’s proposal, because the Medicare subsidy will be means tested, this would mean kicking in the extra money needed to purchase the private plan of your choice.

  • Wayne

    The larger picture for me is the absence of any choice. When one goes from a private PPO to a single payer national health care system, what they will get is what they pay for. If you are not politically connected and you have a life threatening disease, you are going to die unless your family, friends or charity come to your aid.

    Many Americans who have been ravaged by a declining standard of living (resulting from centrally controlled economic policies), were once able to go to a doctor of choice will not be happy with the medicare of the future or Obama care in particular. Do we really have to travel that empirical road before the lesson is learned? Isn’t there sufficient history for us to use as a basis to make a rational and informed decision? Are we really that stupid?

    I saw a film once (I don’t remember the name other than it had Barbarians in the title) that I believe accurately portrayed why and how the Canadian Health Care System failed. Clearly portraying how it is inferior to a free market health care system. The storyline fundamentally was about a canadian that came to America and became successful, then returned to Canada to aid his ailing father when he found out that he had terminal cancer. He had to purchase the top floor of a hospital, staffing it with doctors and nurses (they were doctors and health care professionals in the Canadian Health Care System needing some extra cash) that he paid out of pocket. It was a fascinating education in national healthcare disguised as an interesting and compelling drama. His father was a socialist that fought hard for the establishment of national healthcare in Canada. I saw this film long before national healthcare was an issue in this country.

    I personally have the perspective that our nation will continue down this path of ruin because there are too many RINO’s in politics and the one’s that aren’t now will be after the elections. All we can do is keep the Constitutional pressure on and hope it will be enough. But, being a student of history, I’m pretty pessimistic. So, all you Red Staters out there… Don’t get sick now…

  • YnotNOW

    whether you chip in a little, to get a catastrophic policy, or a lot to get a plush policy (and take it out of your grandkids’ college fund).

  • johnt

    What about the people who proofread the stories prior to printing?
    Do they all swing from the trees? Face it, much of the Left has gone bonkers, their religious passion for the absurdity of central government omnipotence & omniscience, plus infantile lust for control, has tipped their fragile minds.
    Guaranteed, if you sat down with Krugman, assuming he didn’t bite you, and read this crap to him, he wouldn’t see a thing wrong with it.

  • acat

    and what people are seeing in their own checking accounts is costing him…

    At least among those who are able to think critically and realize that .. as I think we’d agree.. Krugman is not an honest actor.

    Mew

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    There is no reason to give the man any respect whatsoever since he has completely turned against his former economic principles which he had back in the time that he won his Nobel Prize.

    He is nothing at all anymore but a hack and a shill for the Democrat party.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    especially when you compare the drivel that comes out of his columns now with the smart economic writing he used to do fifteen years ago.

    I don’t think he somehow forgot basic economic principles. He just decided that being a left wing political hack was a better deal.

  • http://www.ArchitecturalShots.com mdyou

    …that he is an idiot.

  • msctex

    As with any Progressive, he is currently enduring the confusion that comes whenever they actually get what they think they want, and things fall apart in record time.

    It is a religious passion, and as such they would rather the country fall to pieces than admit the flaws in their faith. At the core is a belief we represent what is wrong in the world as opposed to what is right, and a result we have it coming anyway.

  • Locke

    from the current system, where the incentives are for recipients to demand all the health care possible without regard for cost, and the only limitations are bureaucratic.

    The left does not fear adverse consequences. In the minds of Krugman, et al, they can always be fixed by more laws. We’ve seen the endgame for that kind of thinking in the Soviet Union, the Third Reich, and others.

  • aesthete

    He did some great writing during the Clinton administration about trade, welfare and other issues. I still have his macroeconomics textbook on my shelf, and it’s fantastic. Somewhere down the line he became a dogmatic leftist’s dogmatic leftist.

  • aesthete
  • carolina

    We need your insight!

  • Locke

    does a free market based system produce more total value, but it tends to distribute it, not according to the vile Marxist principle, “From each according to his ability; to each according to his need”, but according to the virtuous Nozickian principle, “From each as he chooses, to each as he is chosen”

  • 6eorge Jetson

    Take the states receiving Federal money. It’s like a 50 person dinner where the check will be split equally, regardless of what you order.

    Say there are two items on the menu:

        1) a lobster dinner at $50, and
        2) a hamburger at $5

    Say you’re the last one to order. The other 49 have maximized their marginal utility and ordered the lobster. Before you order, your bill is sitting at $49. So you have the choice of

        1) ordering the lobster dinner and getting a $50 bill, or
        2) ordering the hamburger and getting a $49.10 bill.

    Of course, you choose the lobster.

    Until there is a marginal incentive for the consumer to save, he/she won’t.

  • gpclaw

    I’m not trying to suggest that both methods would produce the same value, or have the same effect on the cost of health care. The competition created by Ryan’s plan will absolutely lead to cost reductions, that the government run Medicare monopoly can never produce.

    My main point is only that both will require greater out of pocket costs, than the current, unsustainable version of Medicare. Ryan’s plan, because the vouchers are means tested, will require individuals to kick in additional money in order to get the plan they want. Krugman’s plan, because of the nature of central planning, will require people to individuals to use private money, to pay for services that have been deemed to expensive by government bureaucrats.

  • carolina
  • YnotNOW

    The collectivist incentive is always to “stick it to the other guy” and make “The Rich” pay for my benefit.
    The free market says I get to decide what is worth it to me.

    Government rationing or consumer choice – those are the only two options in a world of limited resources.

  • YnotNOW

    The government bureaucracy via lobbyists and politically connected groups buying favors, or free contracts with private companies, which you can alter by voting with your pocketbook to go to the competition.

    Government bureaucrats will always seek the power of the government so that they can dole out the favors as they see fit. Krugman is starting to fall into this category via association and common interest.