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Immigration and Border Security (Part 2 of 3): Mitt Romney

The separate issues of border security and immigration have become entwined as the American economy continues to wane, an illicit drug trade continues to flourish and a vast number of Americans remain unemployed as illegal immigrants take jobs on American soil. This leads to the immigration and border security issues becoming increasingly important and controversial.

With President Barack Obama’s decision to shore up his Hispanic political base by handing out free candy on the immigration issue, it is vital that we get to know which GOP candidate would do the best job of redressing the damage he has done. Thus, I will endeavor to examine the immigration stances of Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry and Mitt Romney. I examined Michele Bachmann’s take on this issue in Part 1, earlier today. Now I discuss Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney currently leads most polls for the GOP nomination. He has held that position for a long time. He has emerged from two debates where he was the number one target essentially unscathed. But where does Mitt Romney stand on issues related to immigration and border security? I begin with his stated views on the subject.

Mitt Romney does not have a lot of recent recorded talking points on immigration. However, he addressed the issue extensively as a POTUS Candidate in 2007. In an effort to define his current stance on immigration issues, Candidate Romney spoke in Manchester, NH during his previous, unsuccessful run for the GOP nomination. Romney makes three points in the sound-bite below.

“I very firmly believe that we have to make sure that we enforce our borders, that we have an employment verification system, and that those people who have come here illegally do not get an advantage to become permanent residents, they do not get a special pathway.”

Candidate Romney seems to want more legal immigration into America. He said the following regarding H1B Visas.

“I like H1B visas. I like the idea of the best and brightest in the world coming here. I’d rather have them come here permanently rather than come and go, but I believe our visa program is designed to help us solve gaps in our employment pool.

(HT:TechCrunch.com)

He further speaks out on being in favor increasing the overall numbers of immigrants in America.

“I’m not looking to reduce the number of immigrants that come to our country or reduce the number of immigrants who are in our country.”

(HT: The Pittsburgh Channel)

On the physical aspects of securing the borders, Gov. Romney has opined in favor of the construction of physical and technological barriers to entry along territorial, land borders.

“Governor Romney will follow through on the Congressional commitment to build a physical and technological fence along the southern border, and secure other points of entry throughout the country.”

In an interview with Human Events, Mitt Romney stated the following regarding employers who hire illegal immigrants.

You would then say to an employer, “when you hire someone or want to hire someone, check their social security number; if it’s valid, you can hire them. If they don’t have a social security number and they’re an alien, ask for the card. If they don’t have one, you can’t hire them. If they do have one, you’ve got to check the number on the Internet. If it’s valid, you can hire them. If it’s not valid, you can’t. And in cases where you break these rules, you will be sanctioned just like for not paying your taxes.”

Mitt Romney, in my humble opinion has said most of the right things on this issue. However, like with Michele Bachmann in the segment before, I find aspects of his policies imperfect and incomplete. I question whether the United States can afford to bring in as many legal immigrants as he seems to favor inducting. The economy suffers from a 9% + unemployment rate without them. It may well require an economic growth spurt of Reaganesque proportions to produce enough gainful employment to pit all of these new Americans and foreign visa-holders to work.

I also noted that a lot of his positions and proposals date back to his prior run for office. Going to the 2011 Romney For President Website will get you this on immigration: “…..”. Candidate Romney seems to strongly believe that his number one duty will be to undo the damage that the Obama Presidency has inflicted upon America’s economy. This may lead him to put immigration and border security issues too low on his list of priorities to ever effectively implement some his more positive ideas on the topic.

I close by arguing that on balance, Mitt Romney is a good, but not perfect, candidate on immigration. His prior run for office has given him time to examine the issue in detail and offer a thorough and professional set of political ideas on immigration and border security. My primary doubts involve his desire to get these things done. However, even if President Romney did NOTHING to fix the current situation; he would be a vast improvement on the Jet-Fuel Genius we have in office right now.

COMMENTS

  • throwback59

    If Republicans don’t jump on Obie’s un-constitutional end run amnesty, they really are the spineless dupes many of us have accused them of being.

    • acat

      seriously, I could buy a small country …

      Mew

      • snowshooze

        You know, with Obama’s make work, infrastructure job mentality, the fence would be a job that actually had some value.
        But only if done by contractors such as myself on a competitive bid basis.
        But the moat & allagator thing would be a real government program!
        I dropped a line to Arizona asking if I might be able to sponsor a fence post with my company name on it…
        ” Standing with Arizona…complements of..”
        They never replied.
        I read that Perry prefers troops. I think we need both fance and troops.
        We need a guarded phisical barrier backed with bullets.

        When it is discovered that there actually IS a border, and it is dangerous to even attempt to cross it illegally, the problem will largely dissappear.
        They peed away millions on the electronic surveilence program which is just about useless. Back to basics.

        • acat

          Maybe it was someone else.

          I have no problem with walls in general, but .. historically, the Great Wall of China and the Maginot Line failed because of lack of men, not lack of walls.

          Walls don’t keep people out. Only vigilant men provide that ability.

          I don’t like Perry’s approach on border control, I favor a defense-in-depth approach that includes E-Verify for jobs, vehicle registration and insurance, rentals, and real estate purchases, but … I suspect that I like Perry’s approach a lot more than I’d like Mitt Romney’s.

          Mew

          • snowshooze

            And fence w/patrols is just about the only way to do it.
            Some countries just shoot you.. somehow, they don’t seem to have much trouble.Maybe it is because those people are trying to get out…
            Yep, I approve of the other stuff too. Maybe I am just dumb.. but I am responsible to make sure I screen my employees. It’s against the law to hire illegals… if I did it I would sure get caught. One would fall down, bruise his knee… file workman’s compensation…I’d wind up with OSHA, WC, employment violations, a civil suit..and be in the paper getting thrown in jail..
            What if one got in a wreck driving one of the company rigs?
            Yikes. Accessory to murder I suppose.

  • clarioncaller

    Repair_Man_Jack

    Thanks. I post a fair amount in other palaces and I know it takes time to try to be accurate and comprehensive whe we have RW jobs. Again I say thanks !

    • Repair_Man_Jack

      Just out of curiosity, where do you blog?

  • utahtim

    Mr. Romney is not alone in his misunderstanding of H1-B visas. They are mostly a way for software companies like Microsoft and IBM to get cheap labor here as opposed to having to go overseas. Dr. Ron Hira of the Rochester Institute of Technology describes it as “indentured servitude”:

    http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1096042957001/the-myths-of-the-high-tech-worker-shortage/?playlist_id=161980

    The problem is that employers of H1-B visa immigrants can pay them less and lay them off at will, thus sending them back home if they complain. H1-B visas keep American software developers, engineers, and other tech worker levels of employment and wages down. It’s no wonder if Americans hesitate going into these fields. How about an H1-B visa program for lawyers?

    • wonkish1

      By law a company can’t pay H1-B visa immigrants less than others in the company without a H1-B visa.

      H1-B is available for any companies. Its just that software and IT is more developed in other countries than American Law.

      Better get your facts straight.

      • acat

        They get around this by creating two positions that happen to be identical in function, but different in description .. and pay rate.

        Suppose, for instance, I create two positions, Tech Support Level 1a and Tech Support Level 1b. The job description is the same, but the 1a position is filled by a citizen or green card holder, the 1b is filled by an H1B guy. They’re not the same position, so .. the pay rate can be different.

        How do I know this? Companies are required to post the position they’re hiring an H1B candidate for, and what the salary is. .. and a previous company I worked for hired a guy who did the same job as me .. for a little under 3/4 of my pay rate.

        Laws don’t, as Eric Flint once said, go around on wheels enforcing themselves. If the H1B guys speak up, they get let go. “Oops, layoff. Position 1b was eliminated. Too bad.”. (and the company waits a month, then creates position 1c…)

        Having worked with several H1B visa guys, they all want to get a green card so they can earn more, and they also tend to save more, so they can return home and live well, at a lower cost of living …

        Mew

        • utahtim

          I’ve long felt we’d be better off if they just gave these workers green cards because they would no longer be indentured to the H1B program. As a tech worker myself (software development), it’s tough enough to find and retain employment, but it’s that much harder trying to compete against indentured workers who are in constant fear of being sent back home.

  • MF

    you should definitely check out Numbers USA (http://www.numbersusa.com). Lots of good stuff there.

  • utahtim

    When an employee is way out there at the wrong end of a power relationship, there are lots of questionable things an employer can do to pay less. One of these is to classify the H1-B employee into a junior position and pay accordingly, while having the employee do senior work and work long hours. In case you didn’t know, software engineers don’t get overtime.

    We see that same thing with illegal workers who get no benefits and low pay while unfairly competing with local labor, under the promoted illusion they are doing work American’s won’t do. It seems Americans will do just about any job if it pays decently. I mean, look at the number of lawyers we have.

    Next, you’re going to suggest employers can’t hire H1-B workers unless they can’t find qualified American workers. But there are many ways around this, too. I’m not making this up. There are seminars revealed on youtube where these techniques are taught.

    Further, as the Repair_man and Dr. Hira both point out, legal immigration makes no sense with high unemployment. Unemployment in the software and engineering areas is currently 3 times normal.

    If we are going to admit tech workers into the country, we should be very selective to get the the very best, and give them some rights to be here, so that wages are not so depressed by their presence. Otherwise, let employers outsource for the cheap wages and see how well that works, and more power to them.

  • publiussteve

    Let me also add my thanks for this thoughtful post by Repair Man Jack.

    I’ve also noticed that so far, Romney has largely ignored the illegal immigration issue, although after asked in the last debate he did spout the usual ‘go after employers’ talking point.

    1) I hope someone asks him if — like he said clearly in 2007/2008 — he still opposes “path to citizenship” amnesty, and believes that after a brief period to get their affairs in order, illegal aliens must go home.

    If you recall, there was 7-30-10 Politico story that said Romney has signaled to Lindsey Graham to “address immigration” before the campaign heats up — so I hope Romney has not flip-flopped on this issue (and I too notice his website currently says nothing about illegal immigration, unlike his site in 2007/08).

    2) In light of Obama’s just announced “DREAM Act” like administrative amnesty, we must also press Romney (and Perry, Bachmann et al) if will he urge the GOP to do all that they can to rescind this blatant and outrageous end-run around Congress and the American people — who have repeatedly rejected the DREAM Act and other amnesties (such as AgJobs). And if he is elected president, and this policy is still in force, will he immediately end it?

    3) I also agree with RepairManJack about legal immigration: ask Romney if he supports with our current high levels of legal immigration (over 1 million LPRs a year), and massive importation of legal foreign labor — especially now with our stubbornly high unemployment rate.

    p.s. regarding H-1Bs, Professor Norm Matloff of UC Davis has exposed this visa program for what it is (cheap labor). The Center for Immigration Studies has alot of useful information on this too. Check out their sites.

  • californiagold

    There’s a reason Romney remains relatively quiet on the issue of illegal immigration. In my opinion, if he spoke in detail on the issue, his views would mirror GW Bush’s. Go back a few years and we all can remember how Bush tried to pass immigration reform – it took strong opposition by conservatives to stop Bush’s plan from passing.

    Romney is an establishment, chamber of commerce type of guy – just like Bush. And the chamber of commerce supports cross border flow of immigration without tight restrictions.

  • snowshooze

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOHOHKBEqE

    Forgive me.

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