Soak The Rich, Drown The Retirees


Obama’s Dividend Tax Proposal Depressingly Similar To Failed UK Tax Hike

As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

– Proverbs 26:11 (HT: Bible.cc)

One of the first things new British Prime Minister David Cameron did in order to fix Great Britain’s recent economic problems was to tax the rich. He raised Great Britain’s top tax rate to 50% and his economists predicted that this would raise an extra billion pounds of revenue per year from the HATEFUL1%™. The Telegraph UK describes how this worked out below.

The Treasury received £10.35 billion in income tax payments from those paying by self-assessment last month, a drop of £509 million compared with January 2011. Most other taxes produced higher revenues over the same period. (My Bolding)….It is the first year following the introduction of the 50p rate which had been expected to boost tax revenues from self-assessment by more than £1billion.

When asked just how he would address this 1.5£Bn miss on their revenue targets, David Cameron brings to mind my biblical quote above of Proverbs 26:11. One of his mouthpieces explains their resolute intent to ride into this leftwing populist dung heap all the way up to the tops of their spurs. Perhaps our “Conservative” Prime Minister should Atlas Shrugged to his pile of books by the nightstand.

senior Government source said last night: “This is not now something we are moving on any time soon.” Another source said: “We are repeatedly emphasising the need for those with the broadest shoulders to do more….So we can hardly turn around and start cutting taxes for them first. George [Osborne] said last year, that it was not the time to scrap the 50p rate and that is even more the case now as the economic situation has deteriorated.”

Meanwhile, across the Bloody, Old Pond, we have a Presidential Budget submission that not only matches Prime Minister Cameron’s egregious stupidity, but also raises it several negative IQ points worth of collateral damage to American retirees. The Wall Street Journal tells us just how President Obama intends to stick to it The Man.

Mr. Obama is proposing to raise the dividend tax rate to the higher personal income tax rate of 39.6% that will kick in next year. Add in the planned phase-out of deductions and exemptions, and the rate hits 41%. Then add the 3.8% investment tax surcharge in ObamaCare, and the new dividend tax rate in 2013 would be 44.8%—nearly three times today’s 15% rate. Keep in mind that dividends are paid to shareholders only after the corporation pays taxes on its profits. So assuming a maximum 35% corporate tax rate and a 44.8% dividend tax, the total tax on corporate earnings passed through as dividends would be 64.1%.

The Obama tax hike is specifically targeted towards individuals making $200 or more per year; $250K for married couples. Yet, the recent histories of dividend income totals suggest that it is highly sensitive to tax rates. The more dividends get taxed, the fewer corporations pay them out. The corporations return cash to shareholders through stock repurchases instead.

As Taxes Dividend Taxes Go Up, Corporations Stop Paying Dividends

But “!So what?!” Harry Waxman would loudly ask. This just hits the HATEFUL1%™. It’s like that Buffet Tax that won’t quite buffet anybody named Warren. Actually, Nostrildamus, most dividend income goes to retires. According to the IRS, ¾ of that income goes to people older than age 55. And not only that, anything that reduces the overall value of equity as an asset class; also reduces the economic value of every share of stock held by the general public. This tax does for stock holdings what the recent MBS meltdown did for our housing values.

So never you mind that 51% of all Americans hold common stock personally, or through their retirement plan. Forget that the smart money would be selling this as fast as HFT algorithm could compile and execute. We’re all about taxing HATEFUL1%™. And if other people get hurt in the process, keep in mind the old, dark humor espoused by the Field Artilleryman concerning collateral damage from indirect fire: “(Bleep) ‘em if they can’t take a joke!”


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You're blaming the wrong Brit.

Risky (Diary) Wednesday, February 22nd at 11:44AM EDT (link)

The 50p tax rate was introduced in the 2009 Budget by then Chancellor Alistair Darling.

Unfortunately it is just not politically viable to cut it at the moment though it is Conservative policy to remove it in the future.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/Budget2009/DG_177694

 

This is no accident

DerKrieger (Diary) Wednesday, February 22nd at 11:49AM EDT (link)

Obama’s goal is to increase government dependency and what better way to do so than reduce dividend income of retires. Most of whom are conservative and white.

I hope young Leftists love their parents and grandparents more than they love their King.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

 

sell off

jdbird Wednesday, February 22nd at 12:11PM EDT (link)

What kind of market crash would there be the day before those new tax rates kicked in?

Some, But It Would Take Longer To Play Out.

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, February 22nd at 12:16PM EDT (link)

For totally liquid assets, you would see a rapid sell. I can ditch 100 shares out of an E-Trade Account w/ no additional penalty, assumming I’ve owned them at least 3 years. If I bought them yesterday, I get them taxed as short-term gains, at a higher rate. If I ditch shares held in an IRA, I get the “Double-Whammy” for early w/ drawal.

The point being, this would devalue shares in two phases.

1) The smart, liquid money ditches a big lot of stock right off the bat. This triggers a price correction due to supply out stripping demand.

2) Then, as more people can get liquid, they sell off also. This second sell-off happens a little at a time and works like Chinese Water Torture.

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

 
 

Liberals will never concede that raising taxes can actual decrease revenue

jaykali (Diary) Wednesday, February 22nd at 12:12PM EDT (link)

It would make their head explode. And they don’t really care bc the punitive part of taxing is extremely important. Liberals and our govt always always always claim with no sort of caveat that raising taxes is required (and ostensibly spending cuts – in out years of course) to raise more revenue to pay down debts. They just can’t concede that if you just look at history, revenue is raised when you lower taxes. This should not make sense. Liberals who LOVE more govt spending should want ANY mechanism that can increase revenue whilst not ‘hurting’ the so-called poor and middle class. But they just can’t come to grips with this bc you are ‘rewarding’ the rich by lowering taxes on businesses, wealthier which they cannot agree to since everything is a fixed pie. If the rich have more that means others have less in a liberal’s mind.

 

Okay, RMJ, can I show my ignorance and pick your brain a bit?

lineholder (Diary) Wednesday, February 22nd at 12:12PM EDT (link)

Sorry, but my understanding of what goes on in transactions of this sort is limited to the point that it could be written, in its entirety, on the head of a dressmaker’s pin.

Explain the fallout we would most likely see from this. Will people withdraw funds from these accounts? Is that even an option? If they do, how would effect any investments being made that might contribute to growth and development, particularly in the private sector?

What are the best options that can be considered in response to this type of situation?

Answer at your convenience. I have to go to work shortly any way, so I’ll check in later.

 

Hmmm....

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, February 22nd at 12:22PM EDT (link)

As I answered a poster above, I see a two-phase reduction in stock value.

1) People who are totally liquid sell a large block of shares right off the bat, the day before this crap takes effect. They take their profits and run.

2) People w/ constraints sell off more slowly as these contraints such as short-term vs long-term cap gains rates and IRA early w/ drawal penalties restrict them from dropping the shares immediately.

3) Private investment may be effected if the proposal in question would require a company to go public (sell stock) to get enough money to operate. They would, on balance, have to offer up more stock to get the same money they could get before this proposal.

4) What can we do? Hope this never gets enacted. I can rework my asset holdings in my 401K to go more heavy on bonds. That’s really about it. And given the ZIRP policy until 2014, I’m probably not getting any returns out of that either.

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

1) will also be phased

mikefrey (Diary) Wednesday, February 22nd at 1:50PM EDT (link)

because we haters will not want to get caught in the sell-off the day before. We’ll try to guess how far we need to back off to avoid the issue. Some will start now to avoid the “Christmas” rush.

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Not a bad point.

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, February 22nd at 2:03PM EDT (link)

The worst thing about selling short is guessing wrong, having to cover too soon and then watching someone else make a fortune off of your idea.

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

Repair Man Jack -- Higher Dividend Tax won't work for another reason

Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Wednesday, February 22nd at 5:38PM EDT (link)

The companies will simply stop paying the dividends and will instead do share buybacks and the like as a way of giving their investors a better value.

In fact, the large shareholders will demand it.

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IRA question

Kyle-MI (Diary) Wednesday, February 22nd at 3:53PM EDT (link)

As I understand it (and I do have both a regular and Roth IRA), selling any stocks or mutual funds does not trigger any taxable event. Money in IRA’s is only taxed going into the fun (Roth) or coming out (regular). As long as the money stays in the account, it is not taxed.

So anyone with an IRA shouldn’t hesitate to cash out of stocks under this plan. It will probably force many retirees out of safer, less volatile, dividend paying stocks and into more risky ones.

True.

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, February 22nd at 4:01PM EDT (link)

I guess you could hold a different asset class w/in the IRA.

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

 
 
 

Just a continuation of shifting private capital to the public sector

civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, February 22nd at 12:22PM EDT (link)

The major response of investors will be to accelerate capital flight from the U.S., which will further tank the economy and lead to calls for even more government programs. Or lead to civil insurrection if this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back of the economy. But more likely the model will be Venezuela.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis