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Infanticide, Post-Birth Abortion; Po-TAY-to, Po-Tah-to.

Cynical realism is the intelligent man’s best excuse for doing nothing in an intolerable situation.

– Aldous Huxley(Brainyquote.com)

Perhaps someone smarter and better than I should handle this latest moral outrage of the Secular Anti-Humanists. It deserves opposition greater than that which I could provide alone. However, if nobody protested maybe the very stones would cry out.

The United Kingdom once had a great and venerable institution of higher learning known throughout the entire world as The Oxford University. The school still exists; the greatness can no longer be attested to without vigorous moral dispute. They have financed research for an article entitled “After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?” written by Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva. The abstract of this despicable work of Anti-Humanism follows below.

Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus’ health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.

It seems a team of “ethicists” from Oxford University have at long last figured out that the differences between a fetus and a newborn center primarily in where the child is located. This would be good news, except for one niggling detail. Rather than deciding that this fundamental lack of divergence should cause the medical profession to understand that abortion was an act of premeditated homicide and proscribe the practice accordingly; they rule in the opposite direction. Here’s how the syllogisms get laid out.

1. Newborns sure seem an awful lot like fetuses. For example, I’ve never heard one quote Chaucer or Dickens.
2. Most of the Western World has legalized abortions and described it as accepted medical practice.
3. Anyone who takes a three-week old by the feet and smacks its head against a tree thirty times isn’t committing infanticide. It should be classified as an accepted medical practice. How else do you make the little brats Go The F*** to Sleep?

We here in America just shouldn’t fight it. Who knew that when our brilliant, clean and articulate, Harvard-educated President voted twice against The Born Alive Infant Protection Act of 2004 as an Illinois State Senator, he was merely presaging where Western Philosophy would arrive when it reached an apex of evolution? We should just invoke cynical realism and accept that not aborting these children would burden their mothers. Besides, if you ban abortion anywhere, ever, you have to explain “why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.” (HT: President Barack Obama). And it would sure suck to violate the principles of people that have no faith at all.

So recently Cardinal George of The Archdiocese of Chicago realized something was wrong with the new DHHS policy that mandates that Health Insurance Plans will hand out birth control and some abortificants free of charge. I hope that Mr. Van Winkle enjoyed a restful nap. He wrote parishioners in President Barack Obama’s old neighborhood a letter containing the following paragraph.

What will happen if the HHS regulations are not rescinded? A Catholic institution, so far as I can see right now, will have one of four choices: 1) secularize itself, breaking its connection to the church, her moral and social teachings and the oversight of its ministry by the local bishop. This is a form of theft. It means the church will not be permitted to have an institutional voice in public life. 2) Pay exorbitant annual fines to avoid paying for insurance policies that cover abortifacient drugs, artificial contraception and sterilization. This is not economically sustainable. 3) Sell the institution to a non-Catholic group or to a local government. 4) Close down.

Cardinal George mentioned the possibility of just shutting the Catholic Church’s institutions down in two years if this typical and predictable ObamaCare demand goes into effect. My cynical realism is offended. Cut the stupid melodrama, Cardinal. Churches exist to dress a guy up in the clown suit and pass around the collection tray on Sunday. If they actually counseled or taught a decent, enlightened, or even remotely ethical mode of human existence they might even offend those people out there who have no faith at all. It would sure stink to tee off the typical ethicist at Oxford University.

All told a shutdown of every Catholic healthcare institution in America would set us back $100Bn in healthcare costs alone. The cynical realist in me thinks this is totally unfair to impose such a cost over some dippy point of religious dogma. But then again, if these hospitals are now in the business of performing “post-birth abortions,” are they really in the business of improving people’s health anymore? At some point along the way, these institutions become so perverted and so utterly adulterated that they now defeat and profane the noble and uplifting purpose they once were established to serve. The cynical realist can d*** well lump it if he has to get his free rubbers somewhere else.

So in conclusion, if the DHHS regulation goes into effect, regardless of which side we elect in 2012, the Catholic Church has a basic moral duty to not just stop at shutting a few clinics and schools. Any nation that feels perfectly content with a leadership that can’t tell the difference between infanticide and post-birth abortion belongs under interdict. But no, the cynical realist tells me that such radical steps can’t be seriously contemplated. After all; the world just keeps getting newer and braver each and every day.

COMMENTS

  • drivlikejehu

    There’s only so much you can do. If someone is OK with infanticide, I really have nothing to say to them, about that or anything else. You can’t reason with someone like that.

    The paper actually serves, unintentionally of course, to support a key element of the pro-life position: that it is a false dichotomy to categorize a child as a person outside the womb but non-person inside. So in that respect the authors undermine the basis of pro-abortion ideology and present a much clearer choice.

    If the two opposing sides are pro-life and pro-infanticide, I am not particularly worried about the debate’s outcome.

    • renl57

      If they want to label infanticide “after-birth abortion,” we can label abortion “pre-birth infanticide.”

    • calivancouver

      As someone who sees the logic of this arguement, while still being morally repelled, i’d like to point out that pro-choice and pro-this individuals are quite often consequentialists.

      Lets talk consequences. If you can demonstrate that the consequences of such a policy as ‘post-birth abortion’ outweigh the benefits, you can win arguments! its not hard, give it a try!

      • Repair_Man_Jack

        Would you like everybody to kill infants as if it were nothing?
        I’m sure you’ve planted a nice, verdant money tree in your own back yard to take care of your Medicare and Social Security. And besides, once I die; who gives a rat’s anus what happens next?

      • greyeagle

        Your comments are disgusting.

      • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

        there is no standing in fact or philosophy for any of their beliefs.

        How can you even explain the sentence. ” adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people” ? It is meaningless.

  • DerKrieger

    If a killer virus ever pops up and wipes out half of humanity we’ll find out that it was a Liberal/Leftist scientist in the CDC that created and loosed it on us.

    These people honestly believe humanity is a pox on the planet and are being increasingly open about their beliefs.

    • jimmyneutron

      that these people honestly believe that OTHER people are a pox on the planet and that these OTHER people can be killed as required.

      Be very wary when someone starts including you with the ‘masses’ because the last century has shown how easy it is to kill the masses by the millions with no remose whatsoever.

      • Repair_Man_Jack

        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1829612/posts

  • toothpick

    When I first heard of this report from Oxford I assumed it must have been black parody, a “reductio ad absurdum” of the arguments in favor of abortion, as a way to illustrate the horrible slippery slope we are on. I’m still wondering if there’s an ironic subtext. It’s hard to believe anyone could be so evil as to seriously posit that newborns do not have the same right to life as grown people.

    Regardless, whether it’s hard to believe or not, it’s well worth fighting. So thank you for this post.

    • renl57

      Consistent with his general ethical theory, Singer holds that the right to life is intrinsically tied to a being’s capacity to hold preferences, which in turn is intrinsically tied to a being’s capacity to feel pain and pleasure….

      Singer’s argument for abortion differs from many other proponents of abortion; Singer denies that it is necessarily wrong to take innocent human life:

      Singer states that arguments for or against abortion should be based on utilitarian calculation which weighs the preferences of a woman against the preferences of the fetus. In his view a preference is anything sought to be obtained or avoided; all forms of benefit or harm caused to a being correspond directly with the satisfaction or frustration of one or more of its preferences. Since a capacity to experience the sensations of suffering or satisfaction is a prerequisite to having any preferences at all, and a fetus, at least up to around eighteen weeks, says Singer, has no capacity to suffer or feel satisfaction, it is not possible for such a fetus to hold any preferences at all. In a utilitarian calculation, there is nothing to weigh against a woman’s preferences to have an abortion; therefore, abortion is morally permissible.

      Similar to his argument for abortion, Singer argues that newborns lack the essential characteristics of personhood?”rationality, autonomy, and self-consciousness”?and therefore “killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living.”

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer

      • Repair_Man_Jack

        the man is deadly. He reminds me of John Holdren.

    • Ausonius

      A reductio ad absurdum depends upon an objective mind able to recognize when things become absurd.

      More and more leftists – humorless people in many instances – cannot recognize when their proposals go beyond even ill-logic and descend into absurdity.

      Orwell’s great observation about human psychology, as he examined the Socialists/Communists/Nazis around him, was that it can be turned into something bizarrely unbelievable by constant repetition of lies, by good old-fashioned peer pressure, by guilt, and of course by threats of violence.

      Thus we have people who march for the “rights of animals” while desiring to allow the abortion of human beings at the same time. You know that PETA and NARAL share many members: I have in fact seen cars carrying the bumper stickers of both groups more than just a few times.

      A poodle is accorded more rights and is better treated by NARAL than an in utero child of however many months.

      And they see nothing wrong with it!!! Their thinking has been warped by a lack of fundamental grounding in morals and basic logic: “I feel that this is right!”

      “If it feels good, do it.” The 60′s just will not go away!

      • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

        and hasn’t been much more than that for some time now

    • http://lukos.com Ed54

      and “A Modest Proposal.”. When you get down to it, it’s the same logic and the same conclusion, except this fellow is apparently serious.

    • ariyosef

      Now they (of such evil bent) are openly even bolder than? this first person tale:

      1n 1982 in Houston, the Southern Hemisphere head of PPWP personally told me, while laughing over cocktails, that PP was not worried about opposition by the Catholic Church to their then active efforts to export abortion, etc. to the Latin countries, particularly Mexico.

      Why?

      Cause several of the head military Generals had assured them,

      “Don’t worry about the Priests” “We killed them before” “We can do it again.”

      It is just that glib and excessively aloof confidence that has now become wide spread taking over the highest positions in much of today’s “Civilized” halls of leadership.
      As this post points out: Heaven forbid the ?backroom? plans today.

      In particular it seems most rampant, and confident in our own POTUS and crew of morally decadent followers. Then of course the ultimate irony is that the many poor and ignorant voters in the USA are duped and will be the first expendables? once full power is awarded to the Anointed One (BHO).
      Judging from just 3 years of ?leadership?
      for all practical purposes,
      4 more years should be more than sufficient to consolidate power completely.

      We are at our ?Waterloo? and don?t have enough who see it just ahead.

      Or better stated: ?Only one righteous man, and family made it on the Ark in the flood. Only one grieved at the decadence of Sodom & Gomorrah made escape.
      And soon, perhaps just a few tomorrows?. Only a small remnant grieved and also righteous in faith will be saved. The Creator uses just these ?EVIL? forces as justice and cleansing. Should be easily discerned by all who have read Biblical history and see repeating patterns of Creator?s hand in judgment.

      May those with ears to hear, see, understand be wise ? Selah ~!

      • godschosen

        ……is under Judgment! Obama and his ilk are not the cause, they are the effect of a massive loss of respect for our Creator, and a loss of Righteous Discernment! Humility before God and an increase in hunger and thirst for Righteousness is our (and the world’s) only hope! Pray for sanity!! Malama Pono Iesu!! (Honor Righteous Jesus!!)

  • http://teresainfortworth.wordpress.com/ Teresa in Fort Worth, TX

    And since they obviously care so little for life, we will make it a rule that anyone who has an “after-birth” abortion must immediately be sterilized, and may not be allowed to adopt or use IVF to hsve future children.

    See how many of them support it then…..

  • jimmyneutron

    Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and or any other psychopathic homocidal maniac who has no conscience and should no longer be included in the human race.
    Hopefully no one who follows any variant upon his philosophy ever decides to practice it on those he loves.

  • johnt

    On the premise that misery loves company I might feel better.
    Nothing really surprisning here, vicious and depressing but not surprising. There is a connection, quite clear, between this post birth murder advocacy and euthenasia in general. Some tip toeing going on but then true evil requires some time to incubate. Have to condition the suckers first, and for some that won’t be hard.
    One of these nuts is named “Minerva”? A sad joke of sorts, but then in the halls of the depraved this does pass for wisdom.

    • jdw4america

      stalking the hallowed halls of Oxford, myself.

      *The Greek goddess of retribution.

  • aesthete

    I’m OK with this. Perhaps, much like the Soviet supporters in the 60s, 70s, and 80s repelled more moderate leftists and made them abandon their beliefs, this will be the push that gets people (esp younger people) to see abortion in the same negative light as infanticide.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    It reminds me of the last few stanzas of the Charles Bukowski poem “Eyeless Through Space.”
    It’s no good, sucker
    and it’s been getting to this right along.

    Goddammit if the drunk, old bastard wasn’t right all these years.

  • norris

    I would like to help you baby but your to young to vote.

    • Repair_Man_Jack

      Those seem to be the qualities that endow us with certain inaliable rights these days…

      • davesinsanantonio

        to causes that are “approved” of by the Left. They would just as soon the rest of us die off. And, since we are not cooperating in that regard, then they will just have to “help us along” that path. It is only a matter of time. When they can seriously defend infanticide, then there is no real age limit to the removal of “undesirables”.

        History is replete with examples of creeping rationalization for evil.

        When the ends justify the means, there are no limits to the evil that some are willing to engage in.

  • groverc

    What befuddles me is why Repair_Man-Jack thinks this is the work of secular “anti-humanists.” Humanism is a world view that focuses upon human values and concerns solely, There are human beings out there whose values include eliminating unwanted children in order, they think, to benefit society.
    Most of us disagree, but secular humanism is always a battle among which humanists have more power to win, be it through more money, more votes in a democracy, or soldiers.
    There is only one source that allows a society to definitively condemn and punish murder, be it in the womb, just outside of it, or directed at the undeserving adult: The Bible. Anything else is just a political power struggle between “nice” secular humanists and “mean” — or fascist or communist — secular humanists.
    There are no “anti-humanists” except those who follow the Word of God, and they are the only people who can outlast the humanist child murderers and the humanist gulags of this world.

    • Repair_Man_Jack

      to make a very specific point. Mainly, that these children were HUMAN BEINGS. Therefore, anyone who destroyed them could not claim to be in favor of advancing other human beings.

      • groverc

        I’m sure Margaret Sanger and her friends thought she was a perfect humanist when she advocated forced sterilizations to achieve racial purity — thereby advancing “other” human beings. My point is that humanism does not preclude a disregard for the sanctity of human life — at any age.
        But, if you think it does, then I suppose a “secular anti-humanist” has his place.

  • rj145

    Would it be possible to expand the scope of this concept to include Oxford University “ethicists”?

    • Repair_Man_Jack

      It must be tough going through life being that solipsistic and sociopathic. We could be doing them a favor.

    • Raven

      Who argued so forcefully for eugenics once upon a time…

      • Raven

        In fact, the only difference between the eugenicists of a hundred years ago and the abortionists of today is the abortionists are, as yet, a tad more specific in their definition of “undesirables.”

  • ariyosef

    Or Ego driven atheists
    who see the need to be God,
    Therefore have the need to obliterate at all costs, all that says
    their is a supreme entity, Creator,

    After all,
    without Santa, (a secular attempt to remove from “Christmas” the ideas of “Messiah” and His Father Creator…) What an economic sleigh ride!

    And without a false theory of “evolution” flying in face of our, scientifically proven, degrading universe and the observant moral decline of mankind…

    What is man, without FAITH in the Creator?

    Nothing!

    So why not pursue abortion, infanticide, euthanasia of all ?unwanted? by those in power,
    (even genocide by the millions) of “troublesome” classes…

    Very logical (though depraved)
    IF you are deaf, blind, dumb and narcissistically amoral.

  • geah

    Our Lord who created us, anything goes, why not? if He is not real there is no one to answer to.

    and I belong to a troublesome class of people you know who we are, old,with couple of thing gone wrong in an old body,not working living on S.S. never mind that I paid for it in the prescribed way of course. so if new born babies are useless so am I,

    you do know don’t you if you don’t believe in the highest power you will surely believe in the lowest power.

    • godschosen

      ….”He that is not with Me is against Me”…..”The fool has said in his heart: ‘There is no God.’”

  • Raven

    Most people ignored me.

    I have been saying for years now that the right is having a debate over when life begins while the left has been arguing that the right to a mother’s liberty trumps her child’s right to life. That a mother has the right to murder her child whatever the age.

    And now you are surprised and horrified that they finally published their opinion…

  • pbeck

    All who are involved in this issue on the front lines should take the time to learn about the lives of women who have decided to have an abortion over taking their baby to term; to raise or to give up to adoptive parents. I believe that anti-abortion people truly have sincere love in their hearts for their fellow human beings. Because I am only a man in the equation, however, some have the opinion that my views are irrelevant. I apparently am only a member of the sperm donor class and I am incapable of loving and caring for my offspring as much as the birth giver. Maybe those that think so haven?t experienced a father?s love before, and if that?s the case, I wish it could have been different for them.
    But, am I to believe that the future of this human life in the balance is less valuable than mine, or my children? What right do I have to believe that? Were is the outrage from the “equal rights” advocates?
    I believe that women were created by God to bring life into this world, they weren’t designed to kill it. It is not by coincidence that a woman’s conscience is more often than not heavily burdened when she chooses abortion over giving life. This is one way in which humans are selectively and lovingly separated from other creations of God. Honestly, how can anyone be sure that one of those 53 million aborted babies since Roe v. Wade wouldn’t have grown up to be THE VERY CANCER RESEARCHER that could have developed the cure that S.G. Komen and other organizations are in search of? If given the chance, they could possibly be responsible for the future discovery of the perfect AIDS vaccine. I?ve been taught, and I believe, that the God in Heaven that I worship has a life plan for all of His children. If you are an atheist, however, my post is just gibberish. Pity though, given the possible consequences if this slaughter is continued.

    • Justin_Case

      When Roe was first being debated, I was a young man who thought that abortion was entirely a woman’s decision. I fell for the “logic” that one still hears today from abortion proponents. I did not contemplate adverse psychological effects on the part of the mother who killed her unborn baby.

      Not long after Roe became the law of the land, a married couple with whom I had gone through school were faced with the decision of whether or not to have an abortion. At the urging of her husband, the mother terminated her pregnancy. I’ll never forget the mother’s face as she explained how distraught she had become after having had an abortion. Sadly, not many years would pass until the couple separated and got divorced. To the best of my knowledge the wife never had other children.

      Since that time, almost forty years ago, I have met a few other women who have undergone abortions. Without exception, they experienced strong feelings of guilt, each and every day.

      What drew my attention to your post were the words you expressed about how humans are “lovingly separated” from other creations of God by means of having a conscience. I do not disagree, but I am reminded how even creatures such as farm animals become terribly distressed when circumstances eventually lead to the separation of a mother from her offspring.

      Thanks for your post.

  • fightnright

    wait until the cultural Marxists are emboldened and empowered enough over an utterly dysfunctional, passive and dependent populace to dump the heirs of Kathleen Sebelius for a far more effective Pete Singer disciple to head HHS.

    The new ‘medical ethicists’ making health decisions for us all will not only define political disagreement as mental illness, but will stretch the (ever expandable) legal/philosophical definition of non-persons to include the hopelessly insane.

    Don’t think it can’t happen. In a nation with resources that need to be ‘fairly distributed’ and each individual’s environmental waste output stringently regulated, we’d have to keep a close eye on those cold equations.

  • dcwike

    what they preach on their own newborns.

    Think about it. By the time they kill off their own babies there would be no “Ethesists” to preach their abomination after they, themselves, die.

  • edintexas

    This is an excellent issue to raise. The antagonism to established religions was superflous to your point and diminishes your argument’s effectiveness.

    Clown suit indeed. I’m surprised I’m the first person to mention that I find that highly offensive.

    • edintexas

      “Superflous” needs that extra “u” my fingers missed. Superfluous.

  • http://www.ajharaldson.com lakeworthcane

    If birth control is such an issue, then why do we have sex?

    Having read through most of these posts, I don’t think I’m the only one who believes that this entire “birth-control” issue is confounding at best and hysterically insane at worst. We discuss the words of crazy people–people who say things like “humanity is a virus that’s destroyng its host, the earth”–as though their words warrant discussion; as though people who utter, let alone even think, such craziness will even recognize Alexander Pope’s “good sense and reason”; as though it’s sane to engage in discussions with insane people.

    They’ll always be with us, and they’ll aspire to power, wealth and control. They must have it, and so they will, and I will not join them.

    Abortion and other forms of birth control are reactions to conception, which is the natural object of sex, and the human sex drive isn’t going to go away. In fact, we’re wildly exploiting it (and I’ve partaken more than my share, I dare say).

    In his first-published novel, “Player Piano,” Kurt Vonnegut made the observation–something to the effect–that humanity has become, at least in its own eyes, a frightful botch, but given human nature, nobody can see how it could have ended up any other way.

    I believe in God. I believe all of this–the earth, humanity, our reality, even the ascendancy of evil among human values–is God’s show.

    I don’t understand it, yet I’m a part of it, and I can’t change that.

    Perhaps at some time, when our spirits leave this planet and what I believe is the very limited reality to which they’ve been confined, we will get a glimpse of a “bigger picture,” and we will all–especially those of us who think we know that of which we speak and who think we have the answers (especially the AM radio “ministers”)–will be very, very surprised.

    I’m not cynical. I simply agree with those who wrote the US Constitution: that human beings operating without restraint create trouble, and those who create the most trouble are those who aspire most fervently toward freedom from restraint.

    Yet God gave us free will, and I believe God wants us to choose, on a personal level, between what we truly, in our hearts (see Romans 14:14), believe to be right and wrong.

    Perhaps in that spirit, Laertes, I mean, you know, he say, to his boy, “To thine own self be true.” Stick, in other words, to what you know is right, deep in your heart, and it’s that simple, but it’s not nearly as easy as it sounds. For me, it often requires prayer and meditation (and sometimes I even have the time).

    If a person does not know inner restraint–humility, personal responsibility, self control, perhaps freedom from earthly desires–then he or she will surely find ways around external restraint; as well, the more one refuses to restrain him- or herself, the more he or she will seek to restrain others.

    When I say “restraint,” I don’t mean mere physical restraint; I mean also mental restraint; restraining one’s self from clouding one’s sense of right and wrong with one’s desires; restraining one’s self from ridiculous notions, such as, “humanity is a virus, and it’s destroying its host, the earth, and I have the solutions, and I must force them on others and, as it happens, this will make me rich, famous and powerful” (also virus-like behavior).

    But–and again–we will always have people who either won’t or can’t restrain themselves from believing those kinds of things: nut jobs who say things like “unemployment is good for the economy,” and “it’s an honor to be the food-stamp president,” and weak minds who eagerly believe–who cry out for even the silliest misguidance.

    “The restraint that I impose upon you through poverty is righteous, good and a blessing. Be thankful, and make your anonymous donations payable to . . ..”

    To struggle against that kind of insanity, in a contradictory reality, no less, seems futile. It doesn’t take a genius to see where this is going.

    But, that being said, I guess we have to struggle anyway. But it’s very humbling: to learn, the more I learn, that I know not that of which I speak; that I’m in the dark.

    I mean, how do I asnwer the question, “If birth control is such an issue, then why do we have sex?”

  • rightland1111

    this is about the First Amendment. The Obama Administration and the MSM has made it about birth control and now all these whiney women are frightened that the government is going to take their pills away.

    When we listen to talk radio…when we post…this is not about birth control…it is about the First Amendment. If we forget this…then we have already slid down the slippery slope.

    Can’t see the Forest From The Trees

    • JSobieski

      I.e. our own word choices are hurting us.

      We need to focus on the Constitutional aspects, not the Jersey Shore implications.

    • znjs

      We have to be clear about why we’re opposing this. Surprised that’s so controversial here.

  • soljerblue

    is that the once inconceivable is becoming inevitable.

  • lizzie

    repair_man_jack
    was lizzie’s tipping point.

    found this message on his desk.
    wrote he could no longer live in an America with repair_man_jack having a voice filled by ignorance and hate, no different from the self-described humanists.

    Lizzie just wanted repair_man_jack to know his words directly caused one death.

    • westcoastpatriette

      Whose death are you talking about?

    • Repair_Man_Jack

      seek professional health. You are sick to even intimate that someone would kill themselves because they don’t appreciate a blog post.

      • westcoastpatriette

        but just for the record, lizzie has referenced despair in his personal life a few other times that I am aware of but they appear sporadically. Not sure what to make of this one. The others were no where near this morbid.

      • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

        and I hope he gets help. I can’t help but recall his recent vigorous defense of M. Sanger, and his attacks on those who disagreed with him. I don’t think he’s posted much since then.

        • westcoastpatriette

          but there have been other times when his posts were really interesting because he loves to study history and has a knack for remembering detail. Hope he can pull it together and get the help he needs.

    • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

      dolt

    • Viet71

      Don’t know whether you’re still with us. If not, someone else is using your handle. In which case, you don’t care, but the folks here might.

  • Eyeofnewt

    They are bad enough on their own, but sending to someone possibly disturbed makes me wonder about your stability. PleaseI have read your mostly great posts and believe you to be more civil in your communications.