There’s only so much you can do. If someone is OK with infanticide, I really have nothing to say to them, about that or anything else. You can’t reason with someone like that.

The paper actually serves, unintentionally of course, to support a key element of the pro-life position: that it is a false dichotomy to categorize a child as a person outside the womb but non-person inside. So in that respect the authors undermine the basis of pro-abortion ideology and present a much clearer choice.

If the two opposing sides are pro-life and pro-infanticide, I am not particularly worried about the debate’s outcome.

If a killer virus ever pops up and wipes out half of humanity we’ll find out that it was a Liberal/Leftist scientist in the CDC that created and loosed it on us.

These people honestly believe humanity is a pox on the planet and are being increasingly open about their beliefs.

When I first heard of this report from Oxford I assumed it must have been black parody, a “reductio ad absurdum” of the arguments in favor of abortion, as a way to illustrate the horrible slippery slope we are on. I’m still wondering if there’s an ironic subtext. It’s hard to believe anyone could be so evil as to seriously posit that newborns do not have the same right to life as grown people.

Regardless, whether it’s hard to believe or not, it’s well worth fighting. So thank you for this post.

And since they obviously care so little for life, we will make it a rule that anyone who has an “after-birth” abortion must immediately be sterilized, and may not be allowed to adopt or use IVF to hsve future children.

See how many of them support it then…..

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and or any other psychopathic homocidal maniac who has no conscience and should no longer be included in the human race.
Hopefully no one who follows any variant upon his philosophy ever decides to practice it on those he loves.

On the premise that misery loves company I might feel better.
Nothing really surprisning here, vicious and depressing but not surprising. There is a connection, quite clear, between this post birth murder advocacy and euthenasia in general. Some tip toeing going on but then true evil requires some time to incubate. Have to condition the suckers first, and for some that won’t be hard.
One of these nuts is named “Minerva”? A sad joke of sorts, but then in the halls of the depraved this does pass for wisdom.

I’m OK with this. Perhaps, much like the Soviet supporters in the 60s, 70s, and 80s repelled more moderate leftists and made them abandon their beliefs, this will be the push that gets people (esp younger people) to see abortion in the same negative light as infanticide.

It reminds me of the last few stanzas of the Charles Bukowski poem “Eyeless Through Space.”
It’s no good, sucker
and it’s been getting to this right along.

Goddammit if the drunk, old bastard wasn’t right all these years.

I would like to help you baby but your to young to vote.

What befuddles me is why Repair_Man-Jack thinks this is the work of secular “anti-humanists.” Humanism is a world view that focuses upon human values and concerns solely, There are human beings out there whose values include eliminating unwanted children in order, they think, to benefit society.
Most of us disagree, but secular humanism is always a battle among which humanists have more power to win, be it through more money, more votes in a democracy, or soldiers.
There is only one source that allows a society to definitively condemn and punish murder, be it in the womb, just outside of it, or directed at the undeserving adult: The Bible. Anything else is just a political power struggle between “nice” secular humanists and “mean” — or fascist or communist — secular humanists.
There are no “anti-humanists” except those who follow the Word of God, and they are the only people who can outlast the humanist child murderers and the humanist gulags of this world.

Would it be possible to expand the scope of this concept to include Oxford University “ethicists”?

Or Ego driven atheists
who see the need to be God,
Therefore have the need to obliterate at all costs, all that says
their is a supreme entity, Creator,

After all,
without Santa, (a secular attempt to remove from “Christmas” the ideas of “Messiah” and His Father Creator…) What an economic sleigh ride!

And without a false theory of “evolution” flying in face of our, scientifically proven, degrading universe and the observant moral decline of mankind…

What is man, without FAITH in the Creator?

Nothing!

So why not pursue abortion, infanticide, euthanasia of all “unwanted” by those in power,
(even genocide by the millions) of “troublesome” classes…

Very logical (though depraved)
IF you are deaf, blind, dumb and narcissistically amoral.

Our Lord who created us, anything goes, why not? if He is not real there is no one to answer to.

and I belong to a troublesome class of people you know who we are, old,with couple of thing gone wrong in an old body,not working living on S.S. never mind that I paid for it in the prescribed way of course. so if new born babies are useless so am I,

you do know don’t you if you don’t believe in the highest power you will surely believe in the lowest power.

Most people ignored me.

I have been saying for years now that the right is having a debate over when life begins while the left has been arguing that the right to a mother’s liberty trumps her child’s right to life. That a mother has the right to murder her child whatever the age.

And now you are surprised and horrified that they finally published their opinion…

All who are involved in this issue on the front lines should take the time to learn about the lives of women who have decided to have an abortion over taking their baby to term; to raise or to give up to adoptive parents. I believe that anti-abortion people truly have sincere love in their hearts for their fellow human beings. Because I am only a man in the equation, however, some have the opinion that my views are irrelevant. I apparently am only a member of the sperm donor class and I am incapable of loving and caring for my offspring as much as the birth giver. Maybe those that think so haven’t experienced a father’s love before, and if that’s the case, I wish it could have been different for them.
But, am I to believe that the future of this human life in the balance is less valuable than mine, or my children? What right do I have to believe that? Were is the outrage from the “equal rights” advocates?
I believe that women were created by God to bring life into this world, they weren’t designed to kill it. It is not by coincidence that a woman’s conscience is more often than not heavily burdened when she chooses abortion over giving life. This is one way in which humans are selectively and lovingly separated from other creations of God. Honestly, how can anyone be sure that one of those 53 million aborted babies since Roe v. Wade wouldn’t have grown up to be THE VERY CANCER RESEARCHER that could have developed the cure that S.G. Komen and other organizations are in search of? If given the chance, they could possibly be responsible for the future discovery of the perfect AIDS vaccine. I’ve been taught, and I believe, that the God in Heaven that I worship has a life plan for all of His children. If you are an atheist, however, my post is just gibberish. Pity though, given the possible consequences if this slaughter is continued.

wait until the cultural Marxists are emboldened and empowered enough over an utterly dysfunctional, passive and dependent populace to dump the heirs of Kathleen Sebelius for a far more effective Pete Singer disciple to head HHS.

The new ‘medical ethicists’ making health decisions for us all will not only define political disagreement as mental illness, but will stretch the (ever expandable) legal/philosophical definition of non-persons to include the hopelessly insane.

Don’t think it can’t happen. In a nation with resources that need to be ‘fairly distributed’ and each individual’s environmental waste output stringently regulated, we’d have to keep a close eye on those cold equations.

what they preach on their own newborns.

Think about it. By the time they kill off their own babies there would be no “Ethesists” to preach their abomination after they, themselves, die.

This is an excellent issue to raise. The antagonism to established religions was superflous to your point and diminishes your argument’s effectiveness.

Clown suit indeed. I’m surprised I’m the first person to mention that I find that highly offensive.

If birth control is such an issue, then why do we have sex?

Having read through most of these posts, I don’t think I’m the only one who believes that this entire “birth-control” issue is confounding at best and hysterically insane at worst. We discuss the words of crazy people–people who say things like “humanity is a virus that’s destroyng its host, the earth”–as though their words warrant discussion; as though people who utter, let alone even think, such craziness will even recognize Alexander Pope’s “good sense and reason”; as though it’s sane to engage in discussions with insane people.

They’ll always be with us, and they’ll aspire to power, wealth and control. They must have it, and so they will, and I will not join them.

Abortion and other forms of birth control are reactions to conception, which is the natural object of sex, and the human sex drive isn’t going to go away. In fact, we’re wildly exploiting it (and I’ve partaken more than my share, I dare say).

In his first-published novel, “Player Piano,” Kurt Vonnegut made the observation–something to the effect–that humanity has become, at least in its own eyes, a frightful botch, but given human nature, nobody can see how it could have ended up any other way.

I believe in God. I believe all of this–the earth, humanity, our reality, even the ascendancy of evil among human values–is God’s show.

I don’t understand it, yet I’m a part of it, and I can’t change that.

Perhaps at some time, when our spirits leave this planet and what I believe is the very limited reality to which they’ve been confined, we will get a glimpse of a “bigger picture,” and we will all–especially those of us who think we know that of which we speak and who think we have the answers (especially the AM radio “ministers”)–will be very, very surprised.

I’m not cynical. I simply agree with those who wrote the US Constitution: that human beings operating without restraint create trouble, and those who create the most trouble are those who aspire most fervently toward freedom from restraint.

Yet God gave us free will, and I believe God wants us to choose, on a personal level, between what we truly, in our hearts (see Romans 14:14), believe to be right and wrong.

Perhaps in that spirit, Laertes, I mean, you know, he say, to his boy, “To thine own self be true.” Stick, in other words, to what you know is right, deep in your heart, and it’s that simple, but it’s not nearly as easy as it sounds. For me, it often requires prayer and meditation (and sometimes I even have the time).

If a person does not know inner restraint–humility, personal responsibility, self control, perhaps freedom from earthly desires–then he or she will surely find ways around external restraint; as well, the more one refuses to restrain him- or herself, the more he or she will seek to restrain others.

When I say “restraint,” I don’t mean mere physical restraint; I mean also mental restraint; restraining one’s self from clouding one’s sense of right and wrong with one’s desires; restraining one’s self from ridiculous notions, such as, “humanity is a virus, and it’s destroying its host, the earth, and I have the solutions, and I must force them on others and, as it happens, this will make me rich, famous and powerful” (also virus-like behavior).

But–and again–we will always have people who either won’t or can’t restrain themselves from believing those kinds of things: nut jobs who say things like “unemployment is good for the economy,” and “it’s an honor to be the food-stamp president,” and weak minds who eagerly believe–who cry out for even the silliest misguidance.

“The restraint that I impose upon you through poverty is righteous, good and a blessing. Be thankful, and make your anonymous donations payable to . . ..”

To struggle against that kind of insanity, in a contradictory reality, no less, seems futile. It doesn’t take a genius to see where this is going.

But, that being said, I guess we have to struggle anyway. But it’s very humbling: to learn, the more I learn, that I know not that of which I speak; that I’m in the dark.

I mean, how do I asnwer the question, “If birth control is such an issue, then why do we have sex?”

this is about the First Amendment. The Obama Administration and the MSM has made it about birth control and now all these whiney women are frightened that the government is going to take their pills away.

When we listen to talk radio…when we post…this is not about birth control…it is about the First Amendment. If we forget this…then we have already slid down the slippery slope.

Can’t see the Forest From The Trees

is that the once inconceivable is becoming inevitable.

repair_man_jack
was lizzie’s tipping point.

found this message on his desk.
wrote he could no longer live in an America with repair_man_jack having a voice filled by ignorance and hate, no different from the self-described humanists.

Lizzie just wanted repair_man_jack to know his words directly caused one death.

They are bad enough on their own, but sending to someone possibly disturbed makes me wonder about your stability. PleaseI have read your mostly great posts and believe you to be more civil in your communications.