On Health Care, ObamaCare and RomneyCare Will Hurt Ohio Families
By Rick Santorum
Two years ago, President Obama signed into law the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, or as we all have come to know it – “ObamaCare.” ObamaCare is the trifecta of all that is wrong with this Administration: a massive tax bill, an unprecedented expansion of the federal government, and a combination of unaffordable entitlement programs that will burden the economy and stifle our ability to make personal decisions about our health.
ObamaCare hasn’t been fully implemented, but America has already caught a glimpse of how this law will harm our families. Despite promises to the contrary, we know now that ObamaCare has led to price increases for Americans’ health-insurance premiums, and that medical device companies are making plans to send jobs overseas because of ObamaCare’s onerous taxes.
No one should be surprised at the broken promises of ObamaCare. The model for it is Mitt Romney’s RomneyCare which has already led to the same damaging results in Massachusetts.
First, we must repeal ObamaCare, period.
There are problems with America’s health-care system that need to be improved and reformed. But the reforms I want to implement must empower patients, reduce control government over individual choice and freedom, and strengthen the doctor-patient relationship.
The choice before Ohio voters is which presidential candidate can you trust to put forward policies that will constitute real health-care reform for Ohio families? Which candidate has a proven track record of advocating for patient-centered, health-care reform? The choice could not be clearer.
During my time in Congress, I fought to give patients control over their health-care dollars and health-care decisions. I have been an advocate for increased competition, which in-turn will lower costs.
Nearly twenty years ago, now-Ohio Governor John Kasich and I first authored what are now known as Health Savings Accounts – the free-market, patient-focused, consumer-driven alternative to government-run health care.
This is in sharp contrast with Mitt Romney, who does not have the vision, or record, to credibly push for the kind of health-care reforms necessary to repeal and replace ObamaCare.
When Mitt Romney was Governor of Massachusetts, he championed RomneyCare, the top-down government takeover of health care as the model for the country – going on talk shows and even writing opinion editorials about the importance of an individual mandate. In fact, Romney’s own staff admits RomneyCare served as the template, and political cover, for President Obama’s national takeover of health care.
John McDonough, a senior health-care advisor to both Governor Romney and President Obama, was deeply involved in the design, passage, and implementation of both RomneyCare and ObamaCare.
As McDonough has pointed out, there are at least 15 key parallels between RomneyCare and ObamaCare.
Here are a few of the most offensive parts which undermine freedom and grow government.
Above all, they both act as an individual government mandate which forces citizens to buy insurance, dictates what type of insurance must be purchased, punishes small business that want to create jobs, and dumps significant numbers of people into an already-broken Medicaid program.
RomneyCare has dramatically increased the cost of health-insurance premiums in Massachusetts. As a direct consequence of RomneyCare’s meddling in the private health-insurance market, health-care costs in Massachusetts have risen more sharply than anywhere else in the country. Per capita health-care spending in Massachusetts is 27 percent higher than the national average and the highest in the nation. Overall health-care costs in the state continue to rise at an average rate of 8 percent annually.
Mitt Romney’s job-creation record as Governor was 47th in the nation. He would like Ohio voters to believe that he has a stellar business record that makes him qualified to be President.
Yet the truth is that his policies have imposed huge burdens on small businesses in his home state and would undoubtedly have the same effect on businesses in Ohio. He was given a D on a fiscal report card of Governors by the CATO Institute.
It is through RomneyCare in Massachusetts, that we see what awaits Ohio through ObamaCare. We must stop the same damaging results of ObamaCare before they are felt across America. I will.
Rick Santorum, a former representative and senator from Pennsylvania, is a candidate for the Republican nomination for president.
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Antitrust exemption for health insurance companies => exorbitant health costs
tomrt (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 4:34PM EDT (link)Senator Santorum, as long as the insurance companies are allowed to have an antitrust exemption, there is no free market in the private health insurance system.
And that’s one of the primary reasons why our insurance premiums and healthcare expenditures as a share of GDP are out of control. We currently spend about 17% of our GDP on healthcare (projected to reach an even higher 20-25% in the not-too-distant future) which is much higher than found in any of the other OECD countries. Those other countries range 8-12% of GDP in HC costs (Germany 12%), and most of them also perform significantly better than us on OECD’s healthcare metrics.
Our high cost/GDP structure as well as higher healthcare inflation also leads to ever-increasing medicare/medicaid burden, which, in turn, leads to high budget deficits.
What would you do to bring down HC costs as a share of the GDP dramatically? Would you support eliminating the antitrust exemption for health insurance companies?
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score333 Sunday, March 4th at 10:26PM EDT (link)Thought Erickson would enjoy this, great movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-62KGz0BzM
Heh
Erick Erickson (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 10:35PM EDT (link)n/t
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Wasn't the anti-trust exemption removed in 2009?
dajeeps (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 2:57AM EDT (link)I remember hearing something about that, but I might be mistaken.
…”I would quarrel with both parties and with every individual of each, before I would subjugate my understanding, or prostitute my tongue or pen to either.”
–John Adams
Thank you Senator for dropping by. Now, do you plan to repeal and replacewith your own reform or
tngal (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 6:01PM EDT (link)to repeal and tweak the private market or what exactly?
HSA’s are nice, but what else did you have in mind? And, how much is this going to cost?
HSA structure is a bit lame
dajeeps (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 3:03AM EDT (link)It’s like the childcare accounts where you set aside money during the year for medical expenses and if you don’t use it all by the end of the year, it gets gobbled up into the great money hungry black hole. If they want HSA’s to supplement catastrophic insurance, it needs to be more along the lines of an IRA, allowing payouts for medical expenses.
…”I would quarrel with both parties and with every individual of each, before I would subjugate my understanding, or prostitute my tongue or pen to either.”
–John Adams
My compliments, Sen. Santorum. More like this, please.
acat (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 6:19PM EDT (link)I am certain we will still have much to disagree upon, especially in the area of unions, but this is a good statement of history and intent.
It’s statements like this that keep me from completely ruling out your credibility as a candidate.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Rick and Rush
nocontest (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 6:21PM EDT (link)Thanks for reminding voters why NOT to vote for Republicans. Obama does not have to do a thing thanks to you two.
Mr. Santorum just about every time you say what you really think is another vote for President Obama.
Is Rush really sorry?
You don't have a long shelf life at RS
Scope (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 6:55PM EDT (link)but thanks for stopping by.
Scope, have some sympathy . . .
redmymind (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:21PM EDT (link)This one looks to be suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome. Not fun to be around . . . and certainly not fun to have!
redmymind- I have no sympathy
Scope (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:36PM EDT (link)for anyone who is still locked in the delusion of Obama. They more then deserve my scorn, as well as everyone else. Advising them to get back on their meds is a about as sympathetic as I can get with the Obama supporters.
Well said, Scope. I agree.
redmymind (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 8:07PM EDT (link)n/t
Rush is running for president?
macbookben (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 9:05PM EDT (link)Does that mean Hannity will get his 12-3 time slot?
Proud reformed liberal, born-again conservative (since 1999)
Sen. Santorum, don't you have lifetime health care from the US government?
haners Sunday, March 4th at 6:50PM EDT (link)How would a middle class American with a Health Savings Account afford the cost of care for a condition like your daughter Bella’s that involves multiple infant and pediatric heart surgeries?
Charity?
How could charities work when millionaires such as yourself donate only 1.7% of your million-dollar annual income to charity? How does someone without a million dollar income and lifetime US Congressional health care plan afford such care?
Cheapshot.
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 6:53PM EDT (link)If you were any more of a piece of garbage with this post I would tempted to cheer for a member of your family to suffer a similar affliction to Sen. Santorum’s daughter. That might teach you a modicum of decency and restraint. I say might only because I’m attempting to give you some benefit of the doubt.
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
Cheapshot for sure
Scope (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 6:58PM EDT (link)but that’s what I expect from the Romneybots. haners is one of the more disgusting Romney supporters here.
haners- Romney is a former Governor
Scope (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:01PM EDT (link)doesn’t he have lifetime benefits from that prior position?
when you decide you can engage a presidential candidate
streiff (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 6:59PM EDT (link)respectfully and not be an asshat, hit the contact button, apologize, and ask for reinstatement. If that is too hard, stay away.
btw, before you snivel all public officials who post here get moderator protection from jerks.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Thank you streiff
Scope (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:06PM EDT (link)haners had his right to support his candidate, however, he has stooped to a new low level of posters. His comment was more than a little disgusting.
Streif I would ask a question
Michael Harrington (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 8:37PM EDT (link)You say all public officials? Is that including Candidates for State Rep.?
Just curious since I am, and if things go right in a few months I will be a like I stepped each foot in a hive, then got betweem a momma bear and her cub…
Fighting for America Brietbart style!
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haners
jdaman (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:00PM EDT (link)Point 1, Santorum was a Senator, he would get the same benefits as the rest of the Senate.
Point 2, if you have a point about affordability, bring up a hypothetical example. NOT an example about a sick little girl. I don’t care if you are a vehement Romney supporter, I don’t care if Santorum did receive health benefits from being a Senator that helped pay for his daughters surgeries, berating someone for having a benefit that saves a little girls life is just plain sick.
“Status quo,” as you know, is Latin for “the mess we’re in”.
Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.
Cheap indeed, and Mitt is no answer
northeastred Sunday, March 4th at 7:07PM EDT (link)A copy of Romney’s speech to Ohio voters was leaked. Please read this and convince me Mittens Romney cares about middle class America..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gilbert-king/leaked-copy-of-romneys-oh_b_1316756.html
Santorum in 2012
Putting the dom in freedom. Keeping the ice in justice. Squeezing the lib out of liberty.
Would be funny,
jdaman (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:10PM EDT (link)if it wasn’t a spot on. That IS how Mitt Romney acts in his speeches.
“Status quo,” as you know, is Latin for “the mess we’re in”.
Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.
Thank God that one finally shot itself in the foot...haners that is.
westcoastpatriette (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:11PM EDT (link)Obviously, he was using Chris Wallace’s cheap talking points as Wallace quoted those numbers — the percent of income Santorum gave to charity — on Fox News Sunday today. It was sleazy when Wallace did it, and extra sleazy when haners parroted it.
Good riddance, haners. Now there’s about six of ‘em left that I hope earn the same honors soon. They all give Romney a bad name — reinforcing the negatives so many of us have about him. And they seem to delight in spewing hatred for RS members.
Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise His name in the dance: let them sing praises unto Him with the timbrel and harp. Psalm 149:1-3
Well, that charity point might have some sticking to it.
Xasteius (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:21PM EDT (link)Santorum has taken the Jesus/Bible candidate label. Now the Bible commands giving 10% (specifically to the church) and 1.7% is a far cry from that (it’s even less than the 2.5% average by Christians). Depending if that fact is really true and how they are defining giving to charity, Santorum could be the hypocrite. However, I would have to know the definitions involved, and the personal attack by haners on his family is unnecessary.
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
I agree that in some ways Santorum has made himself a target, Xasteius,
westcoastpatriette (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:43PM EDT (link)by placing too much emphasis on social issues but still, what is even more irritating is Wallace’s gotcha interviews. He sets himself up as the accuser from the left and tries to be so serious and dignified while asking questions designed to make anyone on the right look like a hypocrite. Santorum gets sucked in too easily and it was obvious this morning that he was uncomfortable with the question.
Also, the personal attacks on Santorum’s family by haners was also an extension of the Wallace interview because Santorum cited the expense of caring for his disabled daughter as the reason his giving had declined. So that is why haners drug all of that up — he was simply following in Wallace’s tacky footsteps.
Think about it. We have all of these serious issues to discuss with the candidates and Wallace spends five minutes to compare Santorum’s record of giving and emphasize that he gave less than others? Give me a break. It is nauseating.
Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise His name in the dance: let them sing praises unto Him with the timbrel and harp. Psalm 149:1-3
I highly doubt that giving 10% of your income
Scope (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 8:10PM EDT (link)to the church is required by most christian churches. If you can’t pay for food for your family, or your rent or mortgage payment, you sure can’t afford to give 10% of your income to the church. If there was one christian church that required that, I’d be shocked. You are promoting again, another cheap shot. Sure, maybe Santorum can afford more of his money to charity, but you don’t argue your idea in that realm. Your reference to Santorum having taken the Jesus/Bible candidate position is an insult to every Christian on this site.
Tithing isn't a question of what churches require, it's a question of what God requires
clowngirl (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 12:59AM EDT (link)Under exigent circumstances, there might well be differing points of view in the Christian community about whether to temporarily desist. (indeed most churches have a benevolence fund for members going through especially tough times) but, at the very least such a decision should be considered prayerfully and very responsibly – with others holding one accountable ( for example: during the period when someone isn’t giving the full tithe- are they genuinely using the money for necessities and/ or to get out of debt or are they frittering it away on nonessential items )
I too am bothered by the fact that former Senator Santorum (who has done just fine financially) doesn’t tithe( not apparently anyway) in light of his rhetoric. It makes him seem a bit of a hypocrit.
That said, I’m less bothered that Newt (apparently) doesn’t tithe but not nearly as much partly because he doesn’t make faith as big a centerpiece of his campaign.
But it also probably has something to do with my strong preference for Newt as a candidate.
So I guess I won’t talk to much about anybody else being a hypocrit (pot,kettle, black)
It’s also possible that sometimes Gingrich, Santorum or both put cash in the offering plate at times and don’t report all of it on their taxes.
One of my friend’s husband always puts cash in and doesn’t want to report it.
Or maybe sometimes Speaker Gingrich and Senator Santorum just forget their checkbook. (and therefore give in cash)
Call Me Back When Newt Gives Away His Fannie Mae $$$
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 9:46AM EDT (link)At least Rick Santorum didn’t take his cash off of an organization that helped wreck the very US economy that he now sanctimoniously goes around claiming he can fix. Talk to me about hypocrisy when Newt explains what he was doing peddling the Global Warming scare w/ Senator Kerry. Particularly now that he is talking about the exhorbitant prices of carbon-based energy.
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
IIRC, Tithing is not required by the Catholic Church
aesthete (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 1:39AM EDT (link)It is considered a part of the Old Covenant which applies only to Jews. It is considered customary, however — and the RCC takes offerings and alms-giving very seriously. I’ll refrain from judging Santorum, since it’s possible that he simply didn’t list his charitable giving as reclaimable taxes — but if 1.7% really is the sum total of his giving, it does speak poorly of him. Not only is he the “Jesus” candidate in the race (yeah, I don’t like that he’s representing my faith, either), he’s also the “social gospel” guy AND part of a church that highly emphasizes charitable giving of one’s time and money to the less fortunate and to the support of clergy. If he wants the American to give tax dollars to fund social welfare programs or foreign aid programs because of Jesus, then he darn well better be giving more of his own money, given his level of riches.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Scope, I'm merely quoting the candidate in his own words; BTW I am a Christian ,and Santorum insults me with his presentation of my faith.
Xasteius (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 8:35PM EDT (link)http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/rick-santorum-we-always-need-a-jesus-candidate/
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
Xasteius- There is a simple solution to your problem
Scope (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 8:45PM EDT (link)Don’t vote for Santorum. Be insulted all you want, and say that anywhere you want. Just don’t vote for someone who insults your faith. It’s very simple really.
haners was doomed to shoot him or herself right from the start.
jdaman (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:31PM EDT (link)While I don’t mind haners or the theyounggiant supporting their candidate as is their right, accusing people of disliking Romney because he is Mormon is stupid, bringing Santorum’s daughter into the argument is just a nasty shot.
“Status quo,” as you know, is Latin for “the mess we’re in”.
Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.
@haners: People were so revolted by your rudeness, they missed that you were defending Obamacare.
trickamsterdam Sunday, March 4th at 7:59PM EDT (link)Weren’t you?
Isn’t this:
“How does someone without a million dollar income and lifetime US Congressional health care plan afford such care?” – haners
Precisely how a Democrat would defend ObamaCare?
Since many are terrified that Romney won’t try to repeal it, and you’re a Romney supporter, defending ObamaCare is probably not the best way to get people on board w/ him.
PS – lurk moar pls
A Message For HANERS
aprofo Sunday, March 4th at 8:21PM EDT (link)Haners if you are reading please e-mail me at: [contact@redstate.com]
No one ever said that life was easy.
Good job today, Senator, in dealing with Chris Wallace
redmymind (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:10PM EDT (link)and his pro-Romney “gotcha” journalism that fits right in with the pro-Romney agenda at Fox Noise!
The sleaze-bag charges you of focusing too much on contraception and social issues, only to try to pin you down with the subject and other related issues for close to 90% of the so-called “interview.”
Oh, he does finally ask you about the ecomony for the remaining couple of minutes, so that makes it “alright” I suppose.
Had it been Romney, he’d have asked softball questions and questions about his “business experience,” no doubt.
I’m with you as far as the conservatives needing to unite–sooner, rather than later. If anything, I think you and Newt ought to unite your efforts in throwing out Obama Lite first before going at each other–for which there will be plenty of time later on.
Fight on, Sir! . . . COURAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama care is not unprecedented, try when FDR, threatened to had more judges to the Supreme court to pass the ultimate big gov agenda
center77 (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:56PM EDT (link)but have said that, Obama did get his big gov bill passed, and based it after Romneycare. So that is our battle, and Rick is the only one standing up to really repeal it. Newt is done, he helps Romney at this point, so does Paul. If only we could have a true one on one with Romney.
My name is Timothy Bladel. I’m from Davenport, Iowa. I am a Undergraduate, Double Majoring in Journalism & Mass communication, with my other major being political science. I am conservative in nature, sometimes a tad bit libertarian; the Tenth Amendment is vital to changing this country for the better.
Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.
www.timothy-bladel.com
“We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast.” Ronald Reagan’s farewell address (January 11, 1989)
Stupid tablet, the was supposed to be add more judges
center77 (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 7:58PM EDT (link)he was going to stack the deck to get his agenda deemed constitutional.
My name is Timothy Bladel. I’m from Davenport, Iowa. I am a Undergraduate, Double Majoring in Journalism & Mass communication, with my other major being political science. I am conservative in nature, sometimes a tad bit libertarian; the Tenth Amendment is vital to changing this country for the better.
Mitt Romney 2012, but not without the truth of who he is.
www.timothy-bladel.com
“We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast.” Ronald Reagan’s farewell address (January 11, 1989)
Rick, You are Hurting the Party
mikelindell2 Sunday, March 4th at 8:00PM EDT (link)With your statements attacking college, contraception, and Christians(corrupted by Satan). You are the caricature of Republicans that Democrats have been trying to paint for decades. You have fooled voters into thinking that you are a “true” conservative long enough. You are a big government, big spending, big labor, “politics is a team sport, folks” conservative. You never will, but your withdrawal from this race would be much appreciated. It’s time for the one true small government conservative to retake the lead and the party.
NEWT
Also, your tax plan is a gross example of pandering. If ever implemented, you would corrupt the tax code to an unthinkable degree.
mikelindel- You get Chrissy Matthews leg tingles
Scope (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 8:20PM EDT (link)up you leg with your constant shilling of Newt. Glad someone gives you leg tingles. You do fit the Matthews mould of rabid supporters, no matter what. You are hopeless.
Too simplistic...
macbookben (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 9:23PM EDT (link)…to be a true Newtonian. Methinks him to be a Romney double agent. Paging Dr. Sklaroff.
Proud reformed liberal, born-again conservative (since 1999)
True
aesthete (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 1:41AM EDT (link)but not relevant to the diary in question.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
All of Which is Much Different Than RomneyCare.
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 9:48AM EDT (link)Also, your tax plan is a gross example of pandering. If ever implemented, you would corrupt the tax code to an unthinkable degree.
Next thing you know, he’ll be on the phone suggesting that Barack Obama implement an individual mandate, cap-n-trade or Satan knows what else Both NEWT and MITT have supported in the past.
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
Bravo, Senator Santorum....Your Staff Should have Found these points...
quill67 (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 9:09PM EDT (link)Senator,
This is your strong suit (unlike the moon base post). You were right and ARE right on health care. Romney is wrong. Here are some points you need to hit Romney on:
1. “ NE Journal of Medicine: RomneyCare: 18% increase in Administrators–No Significant Increase in Doctors/Nurses compared to rest of nation”
2. NEJ: “primarily in administrative occupations and (perhaps) patient care support occupations rather than among physicians and nurses
3. Cato Institute quote: “Statistics on waiting times for specialist care in Massachusetts read like a dispatch from Canada”
4. CATO: “Premiums are growing 21 to 46 percent faster than the national average, in part because Massachusetts’ individual mandate has effectively outlawed affordable health plans.”
5. Since Massachusetts has covered just 432,000 previously uninsured residents, the cost of covering a previously uninsured family of four — at least $20,000 — is well above the average cost of an employer-sponsored family policy (about $13,000)
6. Had state officials not done their level best to hide those costs —
the individual mandate pushed 60 percent of the cost off-budget”
, while expanding eligibility for Medicaid pushed another 20 percent onto the federal budget — no one would be hailing Massachusetts as a model
7. “To cope with the cost of its reforms, Massachusetts created a legislative commission that has recommended moving the entire market to a single, Canadian-style payment system that would encourage doctors and hospitals to ration care.”
Here is my original post with links to news articles:
http://www.redstate.com/quill67/2011/12/18/ne-journal-of-medicine-romneycare-18-increase-in-administrators-no-significant-increase-in-doctorsnurses/
We all know that Obamacare is bad for the Nation
vastrightwingconspiracy Sunday, March 4th at 10:05PM EDT (link)Why are you nitpicking Romneycare?
Romney has committed to repeal Obamacare.
What’s the issue?
Good Question. Romney has committed to repeal of ObamaCare and let's assume he is telling the truth.
quill67 (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 11:39PM EDT (link)But the problem is that on Romney’s webiste he indicates that he will support aid to the uninsured from Washington to the states.
So let’s think about what this new entitlement will mean and how it will be paid for.
First, the aid will probably start out small. The rules that the states must follow might be simple. But as time passes, it will be expanded. The rules about what the states must do and offer will become more detail and extensive. Before long, the Federal Government will be telling states what they must do on health care if they want their highway funds, health care funds, education funds,etc.
In short, what Romney proposes will in short order accomplish all that Obama is trying to do with ObamaCare and I believe Romney is OK with this outcome based upon his cheerleading of RomneyCare that has the horrible outcomes described above.
I belive a reasonable conservative would agree that what I have described is a reasonable outcome of Romney’s plans. I imagine, though, that Romney supporters will not care because they believe Romney is the best way to beat Obama or they do not like Santorum or Gingrich and so they are willing to settle for someone they consider less offensive.
But Romney’s plans to subisize the uninsured at the Federal Level is a very bad idea.
Perhaps you're right.
vastrightwingconspiracy Monday, March 5th at 12:08AM EDT (link)Aren’t the feds already subsidizing the uninsured?
Couldn’t it be that a plan to address an already defacto subsidy, at least save some money?
Isn’t that was Romneycare was created to address? Getting the free riders to at least pay something?
Personally, I don’t care about the individual mandate to have health insurance. I’m more concerned about the economic damage that Obamacare creates – which is intentionally leading to a single payor, govt system.
"Romney has committed to repeal Obamacare". Really...?
acat (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 11:49PM EDT (link)Because he’s still not distanced himself from Norm Coleman, who thinks Obamacare is just nifty….
I’m not sure Romney’s actually committed to anything other than correcting his messaging – the Romney campaign hemmed and hawed until after the Norm Coleman fiasco….
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Why would anyone doubt that Romney wants to repeal something that he considers to be "working just fine" at the state level?
JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 11:53PM EDT (link)I mean, isn’t it rational and straightforward to learn that a policy works at the state level, and purposely repeal it at the federal level?
Romney spent a career in Constitutional law, talking about the doctrine of enumerated powers, advocating on behalf of the 10th Amendment—-so it makes total sense that Romney would want to deny what he sees as a benefit to the American people.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Not sure that Romney thinks...
vastrightwingconspiracy Monday, March 5th at 12:12AM EDT (link)that Romneycare is “working just fine.” His argument was that it was the solution MA came up with and they seem pretty pleased with it so far.
Santorum, on the other hand, if President, seems to want to tell States that they can’t do it, otherwise, why would he rail on Romneycare so much?
Uh...
aesthete (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 1:07AM EDT (link)Because it sucks, is similar to ObamaCare, and can be hung around the neck of his main opposition in the primary? Frankly, if Santorum weren’t stupider that (and the economy) would be all that he talks about in public from here to the end of the primaries.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Romney said he was proud of it, so why not share it with the rest of the country?
JSobieski (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 1:58AM EDT (link)It defies logic to be proud of something because it works, only to want to repeal it elsewhere.
Romney has lied to himself and believes that Obamacare is more distinct from Obamacare than it is.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
And he's buddy buddy with others who want it repealed.
vastrightwingconspiracy Monday, March 5th at 12:10AM EDT (link)He’s “pals” with Kid Rock for crying out loud.
Who cares?
How many votes did Kid Rock get?
acat (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 12:13AM EDT (link)Assuming a non-zero number.. but as he’s not a serving congresscritter or judge or other political figure, his opinion matters about as much as yours.
Mew
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Dude, I'm pals with
aesthete (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 1:13AM EDT (link)several people who support single-payer healthcare, managed trade, socialized agriculture, government control of all “public spaces”, banning nuclear power of all sorts, and more socialist ideas than you can shake a stick at.
I dated an actual Ukranian communist for a couple of months.
If personal relationships imply political support of something, then I’m a communist who also hates nukes.
In other news, aesthete need more politically correct friends
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Sorry, Rick, time for
califgal Sunday, March 4th at 9:50PM EDT (link)you to go bye-bye. You are hurting the party and our chances this fall. I don’t know a single soul who is voting for you.
Califgal, I Suppose You are From California?
quill67 (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 10:07PM EDT (link)So it is not surprising that no one you know likes Santorum. California has broken with one of the most important American tradition–individual responsibility and restraint. Not restraint from government– but personal restraint and social restraints.
The breakdown of these restraints was the first step that California took down its horrible path to a failed socialist state.
Wow.
vastrightwingconspiracy Sunday, March 4th at 10:18PM EDT (link)Non-sequitur much?
Right on, quill67!
redmymind (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 10:18PM EDT (link)Alls we’ve got left out here that’s worth braggin’ about is the weather and (in my humble opinion) the Chinese food! We still kick @ss with the Dim Sum!!!
Are you running for President or...
vastrightwingconspiracy Sunday, March 4th at 10:03PM EDT (link)Governor of MA?
If you don’t like “Romneycare” run in MA and repeal it.
Governor Romney has already committed to repeal Obamacare, regardless of the 15 similarities. There’s no reason to think he won’t do what he can on that front.
I have the same level of desire to live under a Theocracy that I do to live under a Fascist Utopia.
None.
I Do Not Believe Romney Will Repeal ObamaCare because he has shown himself to lie regularly when it suits him.
quill67 (Diary) Sunday, March 4th at 10:10PM EDT (link)n/t
Meh.
vastrightwingconspiracy Sunday, March 4th at 10:16PM EDT (link)I don’t think he’s worse than any of the other candidates when it comes to “lying.”
They all have selective memories.
... he will agree to a repeal
kentucky Sunday, March 4th at 11:48PM EDT (link)Because if he vetoes it he will be ruined with a 2016 primary challenge. I may think that a dozen candidates would be preferable to Romney, but they didn’t run. He is the only chance for a GOP victory and a GOP victory is the only chance at repeal. It’s simple.
He will Repeal if no fillibuster and Republicans in Senate insist on repeal
quill67 (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 12:09AM EDT (link)And what are the odds of that? But besides. Romney says on his website he wants the Feds to provide aid to the states for the uninsured. Well, how long will it be before Washington says what must be covered to get the aid or ANY federal money? How long after a Dem gets elected that they will demand states submit to national medical review boards? Mandate payments be less than X $ and what treatments can be offered.
No. Romney’s approach will give us national government run health care–maybe not right away but in the not too distant future.
kentucky, you've hit on something.
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 12:46AM EDT (link)Mitt may very well “agree” to a repeal if presented with a bill to sign. However, we need a candidate who will lead the charge to repeal. One who will scream “REPEAL” from the rooftops and remind the country why and that it was a liberal policy at the same time. With Romneycare under his belt, I don’t think Mitt will do this. Both Santorum and Newt will because they already are. Newt’s already proven he’s not afraid of Congress. Some folks have called Newt a bully. I happen to think that our next POTUS may very well have to bully Congress into passing a bill that fully repeals Obamacare in its entirety. That’s why I support Newt.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
he won't repeal and he won't primaried
tonotisto Monday, March 5th at 12:55AM EDT (link)and Romney will not worry about any “base”.
Romney’s Repub nomination will be because of his slash and burn campaign, no real base building needed.
After the nomination is wrapped up, he will bring out his left of Kennedy Self for all the moderates and indy’s to see. The bet is that the base will vote for Romney out of fear of BO.
Plus, the only possible way for Romney to beat BO is for the economy to crash (and for the Press to fail in convincing the public that it is not BO’s fault). So again, why worry about the base?
Further, in 2016 what could the base do? Primary him? Not likely. No one has the money or Establishment backing. The last sitting Pres to be successfully primaried is…?
The Repubs have made a calculation that Conservatives will fall in line. We’ll see.
Mr. Santorum, once again, we are pleased and honored to have you share a bit of your time.
snowshooze (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 2:29AM EDT (link)Thank you for staying on the issue of Obamacare Repeal.
I am afraid that Romney, being a Manager… would rather Manage it and how could he possibly turn against his own handiwork?
Anyhow, he is a Manager, and not a leader. He works for someone else as an employee. The Stockholders… the Owners.. he sure didn’t do well for Massachusetts. I am led to believe that the State of Massachusetts is pushing everyone they can onto Medicare to help unload their health care burdens on the rest of the country.
Obamacare and Romneycare ins bad for ALL the States.
( Hey… don’t forget the rest us…)
And speaking of Mitt, I thought you did very well in Washington, especially since you haven’t been at it very long.
Mr. Romney did a dismal job there in a blue State and having been running for over six years… still under 40%
So that translates to over 60% not Romney. Keep pushing.
Thanks again, and good luck.
Mark
A few quick thoughts
anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 3:54AM EDT (link)Tying Romney to Romneycare and by similarity to Obamacare is actually pretty spot on. Condense it into more of a shorter soundbite hammered home should help you a lot.
Energy should also be stressed, especially when we are at an all time low in drilling approvals, the keystone pipeline was ended by Obama for now and his energy secretary has the gall to state the administration is fine with the way things are going as gas prices start to climb again… You could do far worse than to come out and say you’d fast track the keystone pipeline, improve the rate of drilling approvals and fire the current energy secretary etc etc.
In my opinion the biggest problem you have is not really Romney, it is that Gingrich and you likely attract a lot of similarly inclined voters and are splitting the majority vote while letting Romney look stronger than he is. I’d suggest you and Ginrich talk about this and try to come to something workable, not saying who does what but if you both stay in the race the two of you are, in my opinion, going to essentially battle hard and nobly while eventually handing over the nomination to Romney.
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And after the Senate...
renl57 Monday, March 5th at 6:29AM EDT (link)…votes down any bill aimed at repealing ObamaCare, this issue becomes moot.
Whether Romney or Santorum is president in 2013, it now looks very much like they will NOT have a filibuster-proof Senate to work with.
And so, when they introduce a bill to repeal ObamaCare, Barbara Boxer and Bernie Sanders and all the rest of that left-wing crew will filibuster the bill to death. Even if the GOP manages to pick off one or two Dems like Manchin for cloture, they will still fall short of the 60 needed for cloture.
And THIS is why I’m a Romney supporter. He’s a realist, not a fantasist. He proposed to give every state in the Union a waiver on ObamaCare precisely because he knows that without a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, full repeal of ObamaCare is impossible.
Romney has shown he can make the best of a bad situation, not fantasize about how wonderful it would be if that bad situation did not exist.
Both are for repeal of Obamacare...
Waderic Monday, March 5th at 8:51AM EDT (link)however, there’s a big difference in the reasoning as to why they would favor repeal.
Romney is against Obamacare because he thinks that it takes money from the wrong things, such as medicare. It just doesn’t make financial sense in the way it was written and will be implemented. He seems to make the argument that the foundational ideas of Obamacare are probably ok, but the method in which it is financed makes it different from Romneycare in MA.
Santorum believes that Obamacare needs to be repealed because it is unconstitutional to mandate people buy anything as a condition of being alive. The principle of having a top-down federal approach at fixing healthcare by mandating what kinds of insurance must be provided and what is to be included is a nonstarter. He also seems to be concerned that Obamacare will lead to rationing of healthcare, beginning with the disabled and the elderly.
Romneycare equals right wing socialism
Seedyrom (Diary) Monday, March 5th at 11:43AM EDT (link)that’s the new mantra so use it as others are doing the same. Run with it Rick. The followers have become as blind as the people who want socialized healthcare. People tried to tell them but no.