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The Marketplace Fairness Act – Redefining “Fairness” to Favor Large Retailers

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In recent weeks, there’s been a flurry of articles written on the proposed Marketplace Fairness Act. The Marketplace Fairness Act is a “bipartisan” proposal that would require out-of-state retailers to collect taxes on items sold in states where they have no physical presence. It’s supposed to level the playing field for all involved. Actually, its just a boon for big box retailers who can’t compete in today’s marketplace.

Sales and use tax is a very technical subject with nuances from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. As a tax professional, I thought I’d put something together to help those unfamiliar with the subject gain a better understanding. In the process I’ll try to shed some light as to who the Marketplace Fairness Act will really benefit.

Let me also take a moment to say that any views expressed here are my personal views and are not those of my employer or any organizations with which I’m affiliated. With the pleasantries dispensed of, let’s get on to business.

TRANSACTION TAXES IN GENERAL
Most people are familiar with sales taxes, but are less familiar with use taxes.

Sales Tax – Excise taxes levied on the sale of merchandise (or services depending on your location) that are collected and remitted to the taxing authority by the seller.

Use Tax – Excise taxes on the consumption or use (hence the name) of merchandise for which no sales tax was paid. Use taxes are self-assessed and remitted to the taxing authority by the buyer.

There is also a third tax which I kindly refer to as the bastard child of sales and use tax because nobody ever wants to talk about it and the difficulties it creates.

Seller’s Use Tax – Excise taxes collected by seller on the sale of merchandise shipped from one state to another where seller has nexus in both locations. In most states, seller’s use is the same rate as sales tax, but not in all states.

All states that have a sales tax also have a use tax. They are designed to complement each other in that you are required to pay either a sales tax or use tax on items purchased. In general, a jurisdiction’s sales and use tax rates are the same; however, there are exceptions (e.g., Colorado). Thus, the basic difference between sales and use taxes is who is required to collect and remit the tax (i.e., Sales tax = seller, Use tax = buyer, Seller’s Use = seller).

THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE REQUIREMENT
States have a long history of trying to force out of state retailers to collect taxes. They argue that tax collection is “just part of doing business.” They do this because they lack an enforcement mechanism for collecting use tax from individuals. This is not something that has come along with the internet, it’s been argued for sixty years. Fortunately for taxpayers, the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that a physical presence is required before a retailer is required to collect tax under the Commerce Clause.

Miller Brothers Co., 347 U.S. 340 (1954). In 1954, Maryland tried to force Miller Brothers, a Delaware retailer, to collect use tax from customers on orders shipped into Maryland even though the orders were placed by the customers at a store in Delaware. The Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional for Maryland to impose the collection of the use tax obligation on a Delaware retailer who had no retail outlets or sales solicitors in Maryland. In doing so, the Court noted a Delaware sales tax obligation originated at the time of the purchase while the Maryland use tax obligation did not originate until the purchased goods were imported across state lines and used in Maryland. The burden of collecting such a use tax, although easier for the retailer to perform, could not be shifted to the retailer under such situations.

National Bellas Hess, 386 U.S. 753 (1967). In 1967, Illinois obtained a judgment from the Illinois Supreme Court requiring a retailer to collect and remit the sales tax imposed on the sale of property in Illinois. The retailer was a mail order business headquartered in Missouri that maintained no offices or personnel outside of its home state. All orders were solicited via catalogs shipped to current and prospective customers via mail or common carrier. The Supreme Court found the retailer did not have an obligation to collect Illinois sales or use tax because its only contact with the state was the delivery of promotional materials and goods through mail or common carrier (i.e., they did not have physical presence).

In ruling, the Court noted that if Illinois’ power to impose tax burdens as a result of contact through mail were upheld, “every municipality, every school district, and every other political subdivision throughout the Nation” would have the power to impose sales and use taxes and “the many variations in rates of tax, in allowable exemptions, and in administrative and recordkeeping requirements” would shut down the nation’s business in a “virtual welter of complicated obligations to local jurisdictions with no legitimate claim…” In fact, the very purpose of the Commerce Clause was to ensure an economy free of such “unjustifiable local entanglements.”

Quill, 504 U.S. 298, 306 (1992). The fact pattern of Quill and National Bellas Hess are virtually identical. Quill operated a mail order with no physical presence and no employees located in North Dakota. Quill sold business equipment and supplies to customers through catalogs, flyers and via phone. All sold products were shipped into North Dakota via mail or common carrier. The Supreme Court, in a ruling favoring Quill, found that Quill’s minimal contacts with customers in the state through its deliveries and marketing activities satisfied the nexus argument under the Due Process Clause but failed the bright line test of physical presence under the Commerce Clause.

WHO IS THE ACT FAIR TO?
As mentioned earlier, the purpose of the Act, according to supporters, is to level the playing field between online retailers and traditional brick and mortar retailers. They are arguing the fact that not all retailers collect tax creates a price advantage of up to 5 to 10 percent. They’ll also say that customers are ultimately responsible for the tax, not the retailer, so all retailers should collect it.

In my opinion, this reasoning is flawed and the reasons why are intertwined.

The first argument assumes the only characteristic a customer looks at when purchasing a good is price. While price does play a role, it is not the only factor. If prices are comparable, customer service and selection will go a long way in driving a customer’s decision making.  For example, Amazon just began charging tax in the state where I live, yet I still buy online from Amazon rather than Best Buy. Why? At Amazon, I can get feedback from other customers, compare similar products, and handle returns with ease. In short, I get a better shopping experience and superior customer service which allows me to overlook the additional day or two I have to wait to receive my product.

Now let’s compare that experience to Best Buy. At Best Buy, I deal with a teenager that rarely knows the product and is more concerned with playing the display XBOX than helping me, I have a smaller selection to choose from and often a reduced quality, and any potential returns I make are a hassle to process. The Marketplace Fairness Act will not fill the marketplace with rainbows and unicorns for the Best Buys of the world. They are still poor at what they do and have an outdated business model. If that wasn’t the case, I would have switched from shopping online at Amazon to shopping online or in-store with Best Buy on July 1st according to those who support the Act.

The second argument is that customers are ultimately responsible for the tax so all retailers should have to collect it as part of doing business. They say that if the retailer doesn’t collect the tax the “firefighters, police, libraries and more” will suffer.  I call baloney on that. Who is responsible for payment and who is responsible for collection are two different animals. Supporters of the Act try to muddy the water and insist they are the same, when in fact they are not.

All states have use tax laws, and it is their burden to enforce them. Not all states, however, have adequate mechanisms in place for collection of the tax from individuals. This lack of infrastructure is not the fault of the out of state retailers; it’s the fault of the bureaucracy. They’ve had sixty years to correct it yet they’ve done nothing. If the best you can do is add a line to the individual income tax return, you aren’t really trying. Furthermore, when you see the firefighter and police card played, there is no doubt that the AFL-CIO, UAW and other trade unions are major supporters of the Act.

What the Act will do is typical of such laws. It will disregard decades of Supreme Court precedent and allow Congress to redefine the playing field thus picking new winners and losers. If you’re having trouble figuring out whom the winners will be, just look at those lobbying for the Act. Generally, it’s the large retailer that’s already nationwide, gets large volume discounts from vendors and that can afford to spend $250k on a tax calculation engine to handle the complex calculations and support a complete tax department to handle the compliance burden and the unions that organize them. But wait, isn’t there a free service to calculate the tax for the retailers? As my Dad says, you get what you pay for.

There are approximately 7,500 state and local tax jurisdictions and the logic required to determine what type of tax and how much to collect is obscene. To say that a retailer with over $500,000 in revenue can comply is insane. In order to determine which type of tax and rate applies to a transaction under the current regime, all retailers must look at four criteria:

  1. Administrative Origin – where the order was taken;
  2. Physical Origin – where was the item shipped from;
  3. Destination – where was the item it shipped to; and
  4. Administrative Destination – where will the item be used.

In order to understand how onerous this requirement would be for small retailers without tax calculation engines, let’s take a look at some sample transactions under the current tax regime.

FACTS
COMPANY is headquartered in Indiana.
WAREHOUSE is located in Indiana.
STORE A is located in Indiana.
STORE B is located in Chicago, IL (Cook County).
CUSTOMER lives in Chicago, IL (Cook County).
LAKE HOUSE owned by CUSTOMER is in Indiana.

Example 1
CUSTOMER purchases a $100 item at STORE B.  The administrative origin, physical origin, and destination are all Chicago. Under current rules, COMPANY charges CUSTOMER $9.50 sales tax ($6.25 IL state + $3.25 IL local).

Example 2
CUSTOMER purchases a $100 item from COMPANY via the internet. The item is delivered to CUSTOMER from STORE B. The administrative origin is Indiana (COMPANY), while the physical origin (STORE B) and the destination (CUSTOMER) are both Chicago. COMPANY charges CUSTOMER $9.50 sales tax ($6.25 IL state + $3.25 IL local).

Example 3
CUSTOMER purchases a $100 item from COMPANY’s website. The item is shipped to CUSTOMER from WAREHOUSE. Indiana is the administrative origin (COMPANY) and physical origin (WAREHOUSE) while the destination (CUSTOMER) is Chicago. COMPANY charges customer $6.25 sellers use tax ($6.25 IL state).

Example 4
CUSTOMER purchases a $100 item from COMPANY’s website. CUSTOMER has the item shipped to P.O. Box in Madison, WI to avoid paying sales tax. The item is shipped from WAREHOUSE. CUSTOMER brings item back to her home in Chicago. The administrative origin (COMPANY) and physical origin (WAREHOUSE) is Indiana, while the destination is Wisconsin where COMPANY has no nexus. The administrative destination is Chicago. COMPANY charges customer $0 in tax because COMPANY has no nexus in Wisconsin. CUSTOMER still owes Illinois $6.25 in use tax ($6.25 IL state) because she has taken the item into Illinois for use. If CUSTOMER intends to use the item for her business, she will owe an additional $1.00 in local use tax.

Example 5
CUSTOMER purchases a $100 item from COMPANY’s website. The item is shipped from WAREHOUSE to CUSTOMER in Chicago. CUSTOMER takes item to LAKE HOUSE immediately after purchase.  CUSTOMER in Chicago is the destination while COMPANY in Indiana is the administrative origin and physical origin. The administrative destination is LAKE HOUSE in Indiana. CUSTOMER is charged $6.25 seller’s use tax ($6.25 IL state). CUSTOMER owes $0.75 use tax to Indiana since the Indiana consumer’s use tax rate (7%) is greater than the tax paid by CUSTOMER (6.25%).

The above transactions are all realistic transactions. The Marketplace Fairness Act won’t change the fact that the retailer must know what tax rate to charge in each circumstance and jurisdiction. These examples don’t even consider such things as sales tax holidays, state and local exemptions, home rule jurisdictions, etc. Would you want the free service calculating your tax holidays and tax rates for your business?

Supporters of the act will point to the SSUTA and say it simplifies and standardizes everything. To them I ask when is the last time you’ve experienced a simplified standard tax agreement that spans multiple jurisdictions? Even if the SSUTA standardizes some aspects of tax compliance, it does not standardize all aspects. What qualifies for exemption or sales tax holiday in State A will not agree with State B, C, D or even E.

Not all retailers have the resources or commitment from management to implement the required systems required to calculate sales tax nationwide. Not all retailers can support a full tax staff to manage the compliance burden. Not all retailers will survive this change. So who exactly is the Marketplace Fairness Act fair to? Obviously, to those who support it (i.e., the larger ones).

CONCLUSION
To me, the Marketplace Fairness Act is not about taxation without representation since the tax is ultimately due of the consumer in all instances. To me it’s about the government once again picking winners and losers by redefining the marketplace in an unnatural fashion. It’s the government taking the side of big business against small business and entrepreneurs. In short, it’s a killer for the economy. If you don’t believe that’s the case, then try answering the following questions.

If the large retailers are not backing the change for competitive reasons, why aren’t they supporting the easier origin based model advocated by Jim DeMint and others?

Why can’t the marketplace dictate who survives? Aren’t conservatives supposed to support that?

Why must the regional chains pay because the big box retailers won’t adapt and change their business model?

Why are “conservatives” in favor of forced collection of sales taxes by somebody other than the state benefiting? Weren’t we against that when the shoe was on the other foot and it was Wisconsin collecting dues on behalf of the unions? How is this different?

Is it really a big leap from sales tax collection to income tax obligations and business licenses in jurisdictions with no physical presence? At what point will it stop?

It’s time to end this nonsense and kill the Marketplace Fairness Act.

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COMMENTS

  • runner12

    to take more of my money so that they can waste it in the worst way possible. I would rather the Feds cease worrying about collecting more taxes via internet purchases and focus on cutting spending so that we do not end up like Greece.

    I appreciate you writing this diary and explaining this issue. I lean towards agreeing with you on this one. If the big-government Dems are supporting it, you can be sure that it has some onerous regulations for small businesses and that it will only benefit the large retailers.

    • jyalai

      I have the same frustration. However, internet taxing is not a federal moneymaker. I may be wrong, but I do not believe there are any federal sales taxes yet.

      The issue is whether there is a taxing model for internet transactions that is fair to customers, businesses, and taxing entities without putting an “undue” burden on any of them. I’m afraid that the federal answer will be some large federal clearing house of tax gathering that it will control it all, and local governments will have one more chain tying them to the whims of the federal government.

      • runner12

        Federal taxes. My point was that it is the Feds (Congress) who are trying to garner more taxes.

        Call me cynical, but I am highly skeptical of any bill that would come through and pass a Democrat-controlled Senate with Reid at the helm.

        It is hard to get past the rhetoric these days and understand what the practical implications of these multi-page bills will be on the American people. I would like to see a list of the supporters of the bill. You can tell a lot about the real nature of the bill by who and who does not support it.

        • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

          Eventually congress will get in on the act and will start skimming these taxes. I don’t see any way to stop them. Nor is it enough to just think that they won’t do it because it is wrong. They will do it, or at least attempt it because, well, they are evil. (nearly all of them).

          • https://taxcloud.net taxcloud

            You mention briefly that free software is available, and then instantly disregard it based upon a random anecdote from your dad. Although I have no idea who your dad is, he probably also guided you to take responsibility for your decisions.

        • bgintn

          “I would like to see a list of the supporters of the bill. You can tell a lot about the real nature of the bill by who and who does not support it.”

          S.1832
          Latest Title: Marketplace Fairness Act
          Sponsor: Sen Enzi, Michael B. [WY] (introduced 11/9/2011) Cosponsors (19)
          Latest Major Action: 11/9/2011 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

          Sen Akaka, Daniel K. [HI] – 7/12/2012
          Sen Alexander, Lamar [TN] – 11/9/2011
          Sen Bingaman, Jeff [NM] – 1/24/2012
          Sen Blunt, Roy [MO] – 11/9/2011
          Sen Boozman, John [AR] – 11/9/2011
          Sen Cardin, Benjamin L. [MD] – 1/30/2012
          Sen Corker, Bob [TN] – 11/9/2011
          Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] – 11/9/2011
          Sen Franken, Al [MN] – 7/12/2012
          Sen Inouye, Daniel K. [HI] – 3/29/2012
          Sen Johnson, Tim [SD] – 11/9/2011
          Sen Klobuchar, Amy [MN] – 7/12/2012
          Sen Levin, Carl [MI] – 7/12/2012
          Sen Manchin, Joe, III [WV] – 7/23/2012
          Sen Nelson, E. Benjamin [NE] – 7/12/2012
          Sen Pryor, Mark L. [AR] – 11/9/2011
          Sen Reed, Jack [RI] – 11/9/2011
          Sen Rockefeller, John D., IV [WV] – 3/29/2012
          Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon [RI] – 11/9/2011

          • runner12

            support in that group. It looks like I was right to be suspicious,

          • bgintn

            to that list.
            If you could read the emails I sent to my three listed.
            Notified my Congressman as to what I sent and to be aware.
            Called all three RINO’s
            My strongest words but made my point.
            Let all my Representatives from the County district on up know.
            Including Lt. Gov. and State Speaker.
            Not a happy Camper!

          • From ME to You

            Just make it mandatory for all retailers to give ALL their sales information and then let the state try and collect it! Then step back and see how many of the current office holders get the right foot of fellowship on their hind quarters.

        • https://taxcloud.net taxcloud

          See also http://marketplacefairness.org, and many of the editorials rcently by redstate.

  • DerKrieger

    …a big box retailer here in Arkansas and I stopped contributing to our corporate PAC because of the company’s position on debit card interchange fees. The current leadership practices crony capitalism when it is to the company’s advantage and the disadvantage of our competition.

    It disgusts me when the company, any company, uses the government to get an advantage over the competition.

    Our CEO also co-signed a letter with the despicable Andy Stern in support of Obamacare because we can better afford the burden than can our competitors.

    Rather than supporting positions that support the country at large, they support positions that benefit themselves as majority shareholders. Doesn’t matter the impact on employees, customers, and shareholders.

  • whit3

    The bill should have been called “The Big Box Protection Act.” As the author stated, its designed to get rid of the mom & pop online retailers that can’t afford to comply.

    In this economy, we need to be creating more jobs and business, not shutting them down.

    • PowerToThePeople

      and do not handle any of my own taxes or the company taxes as I am a moron when it comes to those type of things, so I am not taking a position on this bill and will leave that debate to my betters.

      But the things I see from you and the author make no sense and here is why:

      (Author) Too costly and too confusing to charge all the tax types from different areas. This is bogus nonsense. I shop online quite a bit and every time I have to pay an online sales tax, the tax is automatically added via a program that know what taxes must be applied for my zip code. There may be a small or big upfront cost to implement this program, but just like accountants, this program takes the issue away from the seller and puts it into the programs hands. Only thing the seller has to do is tally sales sheets and mail in the payments to the appropriate tax collector.

      (You) Put mom and pop stores out of business. Hogwash. This is the same liberal crap I hear from the hippies when it comes to any big chain store of any type planning a build. Walmart coming, oh horror, what about the overpriced mom store. Spinx, oh god help the dank smelly gas station on the corner. Most of these companies started out as small stores and built their way up to the mega stores they are now. But regardless of that, mom and pop stores do not get to plead for corporate welfare or a leg up on other stores just due to the small size of their company.

      If the tax bill is legit, then it should be applied to every store on the internet. Most of the big chains also deal on the internet and will be required to pay the taxes as well. Mom and Pop stores should as well. And if a tax that everyone has to pay puts them out of business, then there were other major issues in the company long before the tax bill came around. If the cost of the tax is equal, then they still have the price advantage over the other stores or whatever else attracted customers to begin with. But no one gets to plead welfare.

  • jiminga

    This bill is being “debated” in Congress by our elected representatives. Are they doing this because there is a groundswell of support by taxpayers to increase sales taxes? Or is the bill being debated because big box retailers and department stores asked for it in order to gain an advantage while still using an outdated business model? Or is it because the states are desperate for revenue and see this as a tax increase imposed by the Feds that the states can deny imposing?

    I think we all know the answers. And the public loses again as we proceed toward universal “fairness”.

    • bgintn

      555

  • Cheetah772

    I enjoyed reading your article. I think it just underscores the point in how much we need to reform the tax code at all levels of government, especially with how businesses must figure out what is the tax rate in various jurisdictions. It’s already confusing enough as it is.

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  • acat

    Taxes are owed.

    That customers are, apparently, not trustworthy to pay them (as demonstrated for over 100 years (Sears & Roebuck) not a mere 60) is not the retailers’ problem, however the retailer does – by virtue of participating in the transaction, have a role.

    This role cannot be discharged based on “small size” any more than a street hot dog vendor can get away with not collecting and remitting sales tax, eh?

    I will agree that the “Marketplace Fairness Act” does put more of a per-transaction burden on small business. I do not, however, view a permanent ban on internet sales taxes as a reasonable solution.

    I would suggest to you that, rather than simply opposing the Marketplace Fairness Act, it would be .. good business .. to propose a less burdensome alternative. Send the four transaction classification records to the appropriate States, and let them crunch the numbers and try to collect.

    For example, if my aunt Veronica in Oregon orders a shiny new mixer for my cousin Carrie’s wedding and has it shipped to Tennessee, the administrative origin is Oregon and the administrative destination is Tennessee, i.e. address of the buyer, and shipping address. Veronica’s transaction should be submitted to the State of Tennessee, who can then try to collect.

    If my aunt Veronica is so taken with the mixer that she decides to order one for herself, the administrative origin and destination are both Oregon .. so she owes nothing because Oregon has no sales tax.

    This puts the burden of collection where it belongs, on the States, while acknowledging that the burden of reporting belongs to the business.

    Mew

  • quill67

    Your examples show why Supreme Court refused to allow sales taxes across states. However, the issue is more basic.

    Companies, in part, pay sales taxes to pay for the services they receive from their local government. Cities may have built roads and access points to retailers in the expectation of receiving sales tax revenue. The business also may enjoy fire protection, trash cleanup, police protection, the building of parks that may make for a more attractive shopping experience, etc. The business in the other states do not benefit from the tax revenue collected.

  • shinglejim

    I agree with you that the taxes are owed and ultimately the status quo doesn’t work.

    What you mention with regard to reporting purchases to the state was tried by Colorado. They passed an “Amazon tax” that would have required Amazon to report a list of purchases delivered into Colorado to both the customer and the Colorado DOR. The US District Court found this violated the Commerce Clause because it required out-of-state sellers to do something not required of in-state sellers. In order to work, all retailers would have to maintain and report lists. Colorado dropped it after they lost.

    What I favor is an origin based system where the tax rate charged is the rate where the order is taken. This would be the store for brick and mortar or wherever the web business is located for online sales. In your two examples, the tax charged on the items shipped to OR and TN would be the same and would be based on wherever the web business was located.

    In my view this is truly a “fair” alternative to the extent there can ever be one. Companies would charge tax on all sales based on where the primary business is located and the underlying transaction occurred. This would foster competition between the states to promote more pro-business taxes and regulations. In your example, no tax would have been charged on either sale if the order was taken by a company in OR.

    The burden on small retailers would also be lessened since they would continue to report in the only jurisdictions where they have physical presence and familiarity with the tax laws. Although they would report more transaction, there would be the same amount of regulatory filings, thus limiting the amount of returns as compared to the MFA. This would also reduce the amount of technology and staff required to keep up with tax law changes. As such companies expanded to new locations, they’d add new filing jurisdictions.

    Thanks again for the comments and I appreciate your perspective.

  • acat

    It works very much to the advantage of States with low or nonexistent sales taxes, but .. that is something for the other States to correct.

    The one caveat is that a significant portion of the company would need to be in the State for this to work. For an extreme example, K-Mart could not claim all online sales happen in Oregon as they have nexii (plural of nexus) in the form of brick-and-mortar and logistics facilities nationwide. Powell’s Books, however, would clearly be able to undercut as their only brick-and-mortar locations are in Oregon.

    I’m not sure the vast majority of States, nor the big online retailers, would like this approach as it increases their cost per transaction due to their additional nexii.

    Mew

  • quill67

    If not, states would recognize that they could gain internet sales (and jobs) by not charging out-of-state customers sales taxes.

    So would you mandate that they charge the same sales tax for in-state and out-of-state transactions?

    Finally, the supporters of these taxes WANT to help local businesses. Your plan would not do that because shortly states would recognize that it would benefit them by not charging any sales tax. Thus, gaining lots of internet provider jobs.

    What needs to happen is for cities/states to adjust their sales tax law. They can continue to tax items that people cannot buy easily over the internet but they will have to lower taxes on items that are easy to buy over the internet. Or perhaps, they will have to enact higher property taxes to fund their operations.

  • jyalai

    I have worked for a major city in Colorado for 22 years, and have seen the tax base shrink because of internet sales. It is a cause for concern, because cities have relied on sales tax for so long to provide services to the community.

    My fear is that what comes out of congress will be burdensome to businesses, burdensome to taxing entities, and burdensome to customers, It will just kill more business and reap no benefit, except for some few businesses who were able to influence the legislation enough to make their lives easier.

    Even though, there are parts that need to be resolved, I also believe the orgin based system is the best approach too.

  • acat

    Illinois’ recent 67% income tax hike (looks a lot smaller when written as from 3% to 5% .. but this is in a State with relatively high property taxes…) did not come from nowhere….

    As for “things that are not readily sold online” .. gasoline comes to mind, also heating oil or natural gas, water .. and a number of services – mechanic, painter, plumber, etc. but many States don’t tax services….

    Mew

  • shinglejim

    Under that system, the rate that would be charged is the rate for the store where the transaction occurred. The same rate would apply to everybody whether they lived next door to the store or 7 states away.

    If you have multiple stores, each would charge the rate for the jurisdiction they’re in. Web sales would be taxed based on the rate where the web business is located.

    What it would do is create competition amongst the states, requiring them to create competitive tax plans in order to draw businesses. Whether certain items or services are taxed in that jurisdiction (e.g., sales tax holidays, food, repair services) would be up to that state. If that means some states don’t charge tax, then so be it. Not all states charge sales tax today (OR, NH, MT, AK). If that means some states must cut expenditures to reflect the cut in tax revenues, then even better.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I know it has a rotten name, and the big box retailers are their own worst enemy with the rhetoric, but demolishing that rhetoric is in fact not an argument against the bill itself, sorry!

  • skorrent1

    “Pay sales taxes”. Companies “collect” sales taxes directly from their customers and remit them to the proper government. The proposal is just an attempt by the governments to collect more taxes. The supposed “fairness” is just blowing smoke. Shoppers now have the ability to compare the total experience of brick store vs remote buying in terms of variety, physical examination, time of access, available assistance, ease of return or repair, as well as base price and applicable tax vs “shipping and handling” charges. A well-run brick store should be able to balance these factors in its favor a significant portion of the time.

  • jyalai

    Businesses do not pay taxes. Everything dollar that passes through a business is from funds originating from a customer or an investor.

    Before you make a blanket statement like “The proposal is just an attempt by the governments to collect more taxes,” please take a moment to ask yourself why governments tax in the first place.

    At the local level, taxes are collected to provide services that most citizens do not pay for directly. You may have a beef with whether those governments are efficient at it or not, but unless you are ultra-libertarian, I think you would agree that services like police, courts, roads, parks, and public safety need to be paid for in some fashion.

    My local government has seen a decrease in sales tax revenue due to higher internet sales. It has put a strain on services. If you can provide a better model than sales taxes, for funding those services, please let me know. My local government would love to hear about it. No sarc intended.

  • jyalai

    “Everything dollar” should be “Every dollar”.

  • skorrent1

    Are levied by the states. Most sales tax revenue goes to the state. States typically desire more revenue. Some (CA, IL) are in worse shape than others. Don’t give me the “Teachers, cops and firemen” baloney. There is inefficiency, waste and downright corruption at all government levels. Government response is always “Raise taxes”. Our little Town faces a choice of repairing a fire truck for about $25-30k or buying a new one for $375,000. Guess which choice the Fire Chief favors.

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  • jyalai

    I agree with you that many municipalities are too willing to choose the goldplated service for a basic functional approach. States are worse. The feds are the worst.

    However, the need for funds still exist. Each community is going to need to think long and hard about what services they want and how they will pay for them.

    I don’t not prescribe to the axiom that all politicians are crooks. Otherwise, I would not be involved in politics. At the municipal level, politics sometimes gets set aside for just trying to fix the real life problems facing the community, like how to fix the pothole in front of your house.

  • judges176

    …but under this scenario, each seller collects and pays taxes based only on where he lives, why does/would the federal government need to get involved at all? Let each state decide when or if they’re going to collect the taxes and allow competition among the states. What this whole thing sounds like is the states with expenditures exceeding revenue (CA, IL, NY) are once again looking to the federal government to bail them out. So I agree with the conclusion stated in the article… Let’s kill this thing.

  • acat

    the Federal nose is already under the tent due to the “internet sales tax moratorium” imposed by the Federal Government back in the early days of the internet.

    It’s been obvious, at least to this cat, that internet sales are going to far outpace catalog sales. What the Feds hoped to do was kin to a TIF in urban renewal parlance, and I’m unsurprised they’ve hit the same problem – business models that work under a TIF don’t necessarily work without the special breaks.

    Mew