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The Left: Sanctioning Infanticide As an Ends Justifying The Means

Barbara Boxer was recently up in arms over some words. No,  this time it wasn’t the oh-so horrifying word ma’am. She was up in arms over her own words or, more to the point, the fact that George Will was holding her to her own words – words that expressed a pro-abortion position so extreme, it can only be described, no matter one’s position on abortion, as outright infanticide. So, she pulled the handy old “out of context” card. Only, it was totally in context, with full video documentation.George Will quoted Barbara Boxer’s own words – in context – in a Newsweek article last month. Here is one of the relevant sections:

In the 1999 colloquy, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) said: Suppose during this procedure the baby slips entirely from the mother’s birth canal. “You agree, once a child is born, is separated from the mother, that that child is protected by the Constitution and cannot be killed? Do you agree with that?” Boxer: “I think when you bring your baby home, when your baby is born … the baby belongs to your family and has all the rights.” Santorum persisted: “Obviously, you don’t mean they have to take the baby out of the hospital for it to be protected by the Constitution. Once the baby is separated from the mother, you would agree—completely separated from the mother—you would agree that the baby is entitled to constitutional protection?” She would not say “yes.” Instead, she said, understandably: “I don’t want to engage in this.”

She didn’t want to engage in it. I wouldn’t want to engage in it either, if I was flagrantly sanctioning infanticide and depriving human beings of Constitutional rights, as Barbara Boxer was. Boxer then tried to back-pedal a bit, as you can see in the video of the C-SPAN recording after the jump:

Her back-pedaling, however, only served to show how delusional her comments are. Her, and other pro-abortionists’, alleged arguments are nowhere near based in sanity. If a toe is still inside the mother, then, says Boxer, you can’t kill the baby. But, if a whole foot? She chose not to answer. Yet, in a partial birth abortion, only the top of the baby’s head remains inside the mother – the entire body and part of the head is fully delivered. Then, in the part of the skull that is outside of the mother’s body, an instrument is used to stab the skull, creating a puncture from which the baby’s brain is then sucked out. And the baby is left to die.

Barbara Boxer, horrifyingly, is not alone in these beliefs. Our own president not only would not ban partial birth abortion, but when a senator in Illinois, he wouldn’t even protect babies who miraculously survived abortion attempts. He was more concerned with the feelings of the mothers, protecting abortion itself, and with protecting doctors, who shouldn’t be required to save those pesky babies – human lives, with the strong survival instinct therein and the will to live. He felt so little for the babies, he phrased his questioning during the debate over the Born Alive bill as such:

As I understand it, this puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they were performing this procedure, that, in fact, this is a nonviable fetus; that if that fetus, or child — however way you want to describe it — is now outside the mother’s womb and the doctor continues to think that it’s nonviable but there’s, let’s say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they’re not just coming out limp and dead..

Not just coming out limp and dead. And not brought home from the hospital, as Boxer argues. How dare these babies live!

In 1973, seven black-robed men gave these pro-abortionists cover for their irrational and, frankly, inhumane rationales by not only creating a right to abortion, but by also inventing some sort of “viability” out. Which is being pushed further and further to now include babies that are fully born. Babies – human lives – who could survive outside of the womb, but who are, instead, pierced in the skull and left to die. Alone. Never once receiving sustenance, nor even feeling a human touch nor the love of cradling arms.

Worse, most pro-abortionists actually know this is the taking of a life. They just don’t care.

Ann Rice was recently interviewed by the useless bint known as Joy Behar. Behar asked her if she believes that abortion is the pre-meditated taking of a human life. Rice answered Yes. And then went on to say that it shouldn’t be illegal. It’s murder, she admits, yet it should be condoned. Why? The answer lies in a recent London Times article by Antonia Senior – an answer that exposes pro-abortionists as a type of fanatical zealot:

What seems increasingly clear to me is that, in the absence of an objective definition, a foetus is a life by any subjective measure.

She clearly states an unborn baby is life. She goes onto say that abortion is, in fact, the taking of that life. So, why is she, and others like her, still pro-abortion? Because life matters little to ideological zealots:

But you cannot separate women’s rights from their right to fertility control. The single biggest factor in women’s liberation was our newly found ability to impose our will on our biology.

The belief that nature itself is some stealth patriarchal evil plot to subjugate women. Women cannot be “liberated” unless freed of their biology and anatomy. Therefore, killing is acceptable. It’s for a good cause, you see:

As ever, when an issue we thought was black and white becomes more nuanced, the answer lies in choosing the lesser evil. The nearly 200,000 aborted babies in the UK each year are the lesser evil, no matter how you define life, or death, for that matter. If you are willing to die for a cause, you must be prepared to kill for it, too.

The lesser evil. The killing of the innocent – for a cause – is a lesser evil. Barbara Boxer, President Obama and those who hold unconditional, pro-abortion positions are willingly complicit in what they actually know is the taking of a life, all to further dogmatic ideology and political agendas. Babies, be damned.

They know it’s the taking of a life. They just don’t care. Because the ends justify the means. In this instance, horrifically, the means is the mass killing of innocent babies.

50 million in the United States alone. And counting.

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(cross-posted from NewsReal)

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  • itsjoanne

    Carly Fiorina has, thankfully, been very openly pro life. May she defeat Boxer in November.

    • mich22

      There’s no other way to describe it.

      I just hope Carly stays true to her pro-life ideals. She is such a brilliant and respectable woman and I am really hoping, for the sake of the unborn and for all Americans, that she replaces Barbara Boxer.

      • http://snarkandboobs.wordpress.com/ Lori Ziganto

        - nt -

    • david7134

      Abortion is probably the one topic that has destroyed the US.

      This one emotional topic has resulted in a number of Republicans being elected who did not have the talent to be a garbage collector or who were really liberals (ie Bush).

      The result is that the conservative cause is fractured and disjointed as a result of an emotionally charged, religious topic. At some point, we have to say enough is enough.

      As a doctor I find it necessary to use abortion to save a woman’s life. As a conservative I find it repugnant that others desire to tell people what to do as a consequence of their notions of morality or religion. Also as a conservative, I find it a significant intrusion into others lives to try and interfere with any thing they desire to do. I am sure that my views overlap with libertarians. But one of the many things that has hurt our country since the take over in 1860 is the concept of getting into others lives.

      Now as a person, I don’t like abortion. But as a doctor, I have seen first hand the results of what happens when children are in a family that does not want them. The abortion is the lessor of the two evils.

      The best way of handling abortion is not through laws. It would be through proselytizing. Abortion is here to stay in one form or another no matter the law. To continue to make in a major point of the conservative cause is to weaken the cause and allow for more people like Obama to be elected. Most conservatives that I know are comfortable with abortion and are actually against those that would use the laws to force their moral judgements on us. Many will not vote for candidates that push the abortion button.

      We need to put this topic behind us so that we can get our country back.

      • Bill S

        We will not give up on stopping murder and calling out those who support the crushing of skulls of unborn babies. The leser of two evils? What a sick attitude. You are part of the problem. I’d rather be in the minority for eternity than to surrender on an issue that is, literally, a life and death one.

        This is the one issue that causes me to break the “conservative in the primaries, GOP in the general” rule. I would not vote rather than vote for a Republican who is OK with infanticide.

        Divisive, yes. Too damned bad. This is why I detest libertarians.

        • aesthete

          He’s just an idiot. There are plenty of pro-life libertarians out there; all of the self-described libertarians in the Republican caucus on Capitol Hill are staunchly pro-life, whatever else one can say about their views.

      • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

        The issue is Planned Parenthood making a billion dollar a year industry out of promoting abortions. Those abortions are not performed to save the mothers’ lives. Those abortions are performed as post-facto birth control by people who do not take responsibility for their own actions. This refusal to take responsibility is what ruins their lives and the lives of their families. Legalizing or promoting abortion is not the answer to this sickness in society.

      • gekster

        And I use Sir very lamely.

        You say:
        “Now as a person, I don

      • mbecker908

        So lets stop enforcing those laws.

      • 4life

        The problem is that some people, like you, look at murder and call it by another name and then whine when someone points out the plain truth. Laws that forbid murder are by nature intrusive in order to protect innocent life. Haven’t you ever heard of adoption? Haven’t you heard of post-abortion syndrome? Your views are archaic and barbaric. The tide is turning, better learn how to swim.

      • david7134

        I answer to those that find issue with my words.

        Yes, I am not a conservative, nor a liberal, nor a libertarian, nor any conventional label. I am an individual who has had enough from both parties and all the idiots that try to impress their will on others to the point that we are now looking at another Civil War.

        I desire a return of our country to its fundamentals before the take over in 1860.

        Abortion is dividing the ability of people to come together to stop people like Obama. Abortion is here and will not go away despite any number of laws passed. I don’t particularily care for abortion, but do not see a alternative considering its use over the last few decades. I don’t think many of you can understand the concepts that are at work, particularily if you do not see the film that has been recommended as anything other than propaganda. I have seen a number of abortions and ultrasounds and can assure you that what is being feed as truth is anything but.

        But I do not defend this procedure. I only indicate that to harp on it is to divide conservatives and that will result in more power to the left. We likely have one or two more election cycles before conditions in this country begin to deteriorate to the point that revolution will be inevitable. If we can unite and get truly dedicated men in office that will support a change to our fundamentals, then we may have a chance to avoid conflict.

        • gekster

          The daily Kos is that way. <———
          Feel free to leave and join your brethren anytime you want.

          the sooner the better.

        • janis

          Yeah, I don’t think so. That would fall under the category of losing one’s soul to gain…… nothing. I agree with Bill S. above. You’re sick.

          • gekster

            Since he seems so flippant about it.

          • janis

            is exactly why we are where we are now. “Don’t talk about it because you’ll upset somebody. Just let it go because you can’t get rid of the procedure at this point.”

            Had he said that it should be a state’s right to decide whether or not they will allow abortion, I wouldn’t have found that offensive at all. Apparently he doesn’t have any principles beyond winning.

          • gekster

            Saying the video “The Silent screem” is propaganda, is the kind of thing lefties say about the truth.
            And that he does abortions so families won’t have problems because of a child.

            Blood boiling, seeing red.
            Hackles on neck standing.
            Better stop now before I go to far.

            I’m just waiting for him to say the right thing so I can time him.

          • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

            http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/member.php?u=8989

        • Bill S

          over one devoid of that, even if it means Obama stays. The moment that we abandon efforts to preserve the lives of the most vulnerable, we have created a nation that’s not worth caring about. We abandon life and the radical left has won…and I don’t give a crap how much money is in my pocket because of taxes, etc.

          • http://snarkandboobs.wordpress.com/ Lori Ziganto

            back on the right track if we, as a country, continue to allow .. and sanction … the mass killing of innocent unborn babies?

            There is no changing the mindset and future of this country as a whole, if one ignores the legal sanctioning of mass infanticide. We cannot continue to just ignore it and worry about it being a “wedge issue”.

            50 million lives lost .. and counting … is not a “wedge issue.” It is a gross travesty of justice and a horrifying tragedy. And a stain upon humanity.

          • mich22

            and I agreed with your earlier post as well, Bill S. Good points, sir.

          • aesthete

            There are some cases in which a pro-life politician is not, due to authoritarian or callous views, the candidate more respecting of the dignity of human life. As an example, Hugo Chavez is pro-life, and helped enact legislation furthering that cause while in office (at the expense of some of his progressive wing). If I lived and voted in Venezuela and his opponent were pro-choice, I would cast the ballot for his opponent.

        • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

          Then the problem will be solved. As for us at RedState, we will not give up on the unborn. This whole caving in for the sake of unity is a stupid talking point. Hell no! Why don’t you give in? Why should conservatives have to stop protecting the unborn, rather than your side start protecting the unborn? And no, you do not have the right to chose to kill an unborn child — not even in private.

          • gekster

            This is what the moderates want us to do.
            Give up on the conservative principles we have so we can be more liked by “them”.
            And the state of the union we have today is because of it.
            Uncle Ronnie never gave up or modified his conservative principles.
            Look what a great man he turned out to be, only because he never moderated his position and lead with true conservatism.

            If only our own leadership of our party could have half the backbone and courage of Ronald Reagan.
            And to quote William Wallace, telling Robert the Bruce, ” If you lead with courage, they will follow you”.
            Or something liket that.

        • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

          Because you sound kind of like Abby Johnson. The big difference between you two is she had to leave because she could not take PP’s pushing abortion above all other types of pregnancy counseling after she saw an ultrasound abortion. You say you don’t particularly care for it but at the same time you don’t seem to mind making money off it, just like Planned Parenthood.

          Look, perhaps it may be necessary at times to save the life of the mother, but it has become such a widely used method of birth control “just because” and pushed by PP so much more than other forms of pregnancy counseling that conservatives are yelling “Enough!” It is murder of the most innocent of all when used that way. Tell me, “doctor”, of the thousands of abortions performed just in this country every day how many do you think are actually done to preserve the life of the mother? 22 years ago it was 2.8%. 5 years ago it was 3%.

          It’s the 94% that just don’t want a baby for one reason or another but don’t seem to want to take personal responsibility due to the nanny-state “just put yourself in our hands and everything will be alright” mentality of the government sponsored agencies like PP that will make it remain a conservative issue, whether you like it or not, “doctor”. Also, it is the reasons Lori gave in her article. If you want to call abortion a “lesser evil” and we should stop bringing it up as a political issue, you are no conservative, “doctor”. Murder of the innocent unborn just because the mother decides she doesn’t want “to be punished with a child” is the greatest evil of all. It will remain a conservative issue precisely because of the legislative records of Boxer and Obama and the liberal stance of Rice and Senior. It will remain a conservative issue because it is murder liberals consider to be a “lesser evil” than personal responsibility, all to promote the cause of a “newly found ability to impose our will on our biology.”

          No, “doctor”, this conservative will not ever be comfortable with it. Nor keep quiet about it. I’m in agreement with everyone else on this thread, and they’re not going to keep quiet either.

          Run along and clean the earwax out of your stethoscope, “doctor”. You just might hear the struggles of the unborn as the abortion instruments get near the next time.

          • Leon H. Wolf

            I just recently executed a 160th trimester abortion on david7134, so he can’t respond.

          • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

            Thanks for taking out the trash. Also, good to see you back, bro. If he can still see the site it will be just fine knowing his head’s exploding over not being able to respond.

          • http://snarkandboobs.wordpress.com/ Lori Ziganto

            Well said, sir. And thank you.

          • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

            and I don’t, there’s several, it’s this one. Running in the top 3 is idiots like dave trying to tell us what issues we should just let go of, in the name of “unity”.

        • JSobieski

          If we punt on all issues in which there is disagreement, I think we can probably pass through a platform of “smiley face” except that its probably unfair to the blind and the depressed.

        • 4life

          like you making exactly the same arguments prior to end of slavery. Abortion will not always be legal in this country because this kind of evil must always be abandoned by rational men. The percentage of Republicans and Independants who think like you is very small and we can surely defeat the Democrats without you or them. You are the problem, not us. Open your eyes and close your mouth, maybe you will see the truth. Abortion lovers are welcome to join the Democrats. If they want to save this country from Socialism, they can join with us and keep their mouth shut about abortion. Otherwise, good riddance.

      • marymom

        Selfish, ruthless disregard for the common humanity of those vulnerable or less powerful than those who have grasped positions of privilege is part of what is ruining this country. Did you take the Hippocratic Oath?

        In your ethical scheme, putting scissors into the back of an infant’s head, sucking out her brains and collapsing her skull is less morally objectionable and “getting into her life” than imposing on a woman with legal protections for the infant as a fellow human being… protecting that life and instead of slaughter, legally obligating a pregnant mother to take that innocent child to term — when she can offer her child to one of thousands of eager, adoptive families if she chooses not to raise her?

        You mention only inconvenience, utilitarianism, “wantedness” — where are you going to draw the line of who lives and who dies on an “ethical” standard so pitifully low and debased? The old, the ugly, the crippled, the halt, the blind — many of them are unwanted at some point — as are we all — at some point. Just because you have the infant in the womb utterly within your power to kill gives you NO RIGHT and NO AUTHORITY to kill her.

        What on earth did you learn in medical school, that such ghoulish, callous nonsense could come from a “healer”? PHYSICIAN, DO NO HARM. For shame.

      • http://snarkandboobs.wordpress.com/ Lori Ziganto

        I’m sorry, but I and everyone else with human decency, a heart and a soul, cannot simply put the deaths of innocent babies .. deaths that are continuing to take place in horrifying numbers each day .. “behind us”. Just suck it up, huh? It’s the lesser of two evils and all, right?

        What is the larger evil? Someone having to take responsibility for their *own* actions? In what cold-hearted soul is the killing of a baby, the purposeful and willful snuffing out of a life that was never given the chance to have *A* life, the lesser evil? A doctor, no less.

      • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

        I know there are some here at RedState that share your views, but they correctly chose to just leave this topic alone and not post on it. I would recommend you do the same.

      • Leon H. Wolf

        Than subject them to the horrors of less than perfect parents.

        Also, this site has been pro-life since it began, and we’ve heard your idiotic argument since then. This clearly isn’t the place for you. Ciao.

        • gekster

          and thanks to all who posted in support of LIFE for those who can’t defend it for themselves.
          A very heart felt THANK YOU.

          • GenEarly
        • cactusjack

          I came here some months ago because of the national security topics being covered, then discovered as I went on posting that RS has a strong socon underpinning which is now where I go about half the time (tip of hat to Lori & that crew of posters). Thanks all.

          • Leon H. Wolf
        • aesthete

          If conservatism no longer means protecting the people’s liberty from violence, count me out.

      • Flagstaff

        “As a doctor I find it necessary to use abortion to save a woman

        • Flagstaff

          that David7134 were still around. This was his first slip and fall into a pit of his own making, but judging from previous posts, an unintentional one.

          If he asks to be reinstated, I’d let him come back. But that’s me.

      • alamo294

        What was that country you want to get back? Nazi Germany?

      • pittbull

        Physician heal thyself.
        That was one of the worst lines of crap I’ve read in quite some time.
        I have been associated with conservatives and libertarians over the stretch of many years, and none of them would support your views.
        You are a part of the problem. Education and good moral values are
        the solution.

      • GenEarly

        You just made the argument for the US Supreme Court Dred Scott Decision that did tear the country apart. Abortion like Slavery is Evil, either condone and accept it or eliminate it. There are alternatives to abortion, just like there were alternatives to slavery ; only an unwillingness to confront evil keeps it in place. There are also tangent issues that bind into a bigger issue: Tyranny of an Oppressive Federal Government either legislating or judicially ruling from on high against the majority. We have been SILENT for way too long, and NOW is the time to take the power back from those we lent it to. The People and the States will re-emerge or the result is too gruesome to confront. This is it, there is no plan B. Look to the Founders for the way out before they are labeled as domestic terrorists.

      • alamo294

        Most conservatives you know are comfortable with abortion? To be “comfortable” with abortion is appalling.

        Planned Parenthood was unable to get women who had had abortions to buy their t-shirts that proclaimed on the front, “I had an abortion.” I’d say that there are darn few people who are “comfortable” with abortion, including the women who’ve gotten them.

        This issue IS divisive, and I for one will continue to be glad to take the pro-life position AGAINST either the pro-choice or the “can’t we all get along?” position.

      • candi

        It’s called adoption.

        First thing doc…America has lost it’s morals.

        For instance, a strung out doper lost to much weight. She got pregnant 6 times to gain the weight back. Around 6 months or so, down to the clinic she went and got the side effect of her recent weight gain removed. She said it herself. 1 out of 50,000,000

        A woman that wanted her car fixed. Slept with the guy for services rendered to her car. 8 1/2 months ( it cost her more money) she aborted the baby because she said, “If I’d kept it, I’d never got rid of him and he’s embarrassing to be seen with.” 2 out of 50,000,000

        An Jewish girl turned atheist. “oh yeah, had it done and never looked back, best decision I ever made.” 3 out of 50,000,000

        It seems to me that in the collapse of the economical environment we can make it affordable for the mom to stay home with the children she has (mom or dad either way). Teaching moral fiber and less selfish behaviors. Hopefully, it’d get rid of the need of gangs and their violence.

        Dang Doc, sometimes it’s less about the issue and more about the solutions. Can’t cure everything with a pill and/or injection. Someone has to say no more.

    • dude

      wouldnt it haven cool if your mom detested babies as much as you do and had an abortion?

  • teresakoch

    You know, if 50 million babies – or in cold accounting terms, future taxpayers – have been knowingly killed since 1973, what is the loss to the country in terms of cold, hard cash?

    If one were terribly clever (and I’m not; I just come up with diabolical ideas), I am sure that a case could be made that the American public has been denied an INSANE amount of tax revenue because these children never had the chance to grow up and become productive members of society.

    And by denying them life, we also gave up any chance of them having children themselves, thus depriving the State of even MORE tax dollars to spend on their beloved social programs.

    Surely a case could be made that the amount that we would have had to pay out in benefits for those who might have ended up on the welfare rolls would be a drop in the bucket compared to the potential monetary good that could have been done by those who ended up working for many years.

    • cactusjack

      As has also been pointed out before, had those millions been native born in the US and grown to adulthood to move into the job market, we would not likely have an undocumented worker problem, really a kind of labor shortage, in this generation today. Europe has aborted millions and had to bring in Muslim guest workers by the millions to fill those gaps and entry level jobs, but they are not assimilated now going into 2nd and 3rd generation, and Europe is going to reap the whirlwind from this practice soon.

      • cactusjack

        and as economists know from history, baby booms are one of the best things that can happen to an economy. Why were the 50′s and early 60s witness to such strong, balanced, growth economies.? All the baby boomers did not hurt.

        • donnylatenight

          it’s almost comical watch them justify the act . There can never be a definitive line of circumstance where abortion is morally wrong to a liberal as this threatens the foundation of the entire liberal philosophy.

          BTW Barbara, what is your opinion on abortion being the number one cause of death among african Americans in this country more than all other causes combined…… Crickets

          How about the growing about of studies linking abortion with breast cancer….. Does that concern you?

          • SirGladiator

            Once again you have shown these far-left evildoers for what they really are, using their own words. It is unreal just how sick and disgusting the things they support are, and certainly 50 million dead babies is right at the top of the list. Of course their horrifying methods of killing those babies is also high on the list, it’s so sickening to read what they do to these poor babies, and also sickening that someone would actually vote for someone who supports such evil. Hopefully this will finally be the year that Californians say enough is enough, and vote for Fiorina over Boxer. Thank you again Lori for this excellent post, keep up the great work!

          • JadedByPolitics

            with their GHOULISH need to KILL each and every child that a woman doesn’t want but wasn’t WOMAN ENOUGH to keep her legs closed are truly the children of the gatekeepers at the genocidal prisons that killed millions in WWII. They have the same murderous thinking that allows those inside the gates to KILL without any thought towards humanity at all.

          • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

            This from the guy who does not know when human rights begin.

          • snowshooze

            Good example of Obama here, pre-presidential.
            What a bag of dirt.

          • cactusjack
    • Flagstaff

      those babies would now be adding to the numbers of unemployed. That’s the way they do all their computations–zero-sum.

      • cactusjack

        they don’t want to. The case there is stark. They aborted away, oh about two generations of native Europeans now. The only way to keep the standard of living up – and afford those guaranteed 4 week vacations every summer when about half of Europe is literally south of Rome in latitude – is to import millions and millions of guestworkers from North Africa, Turkey and the MiddleEast and feed them into the entry level and menial jobs. Which they have done. It’s an explosive, untenable demographic. France’s non-support of the US in the Iraq War is considered by manyto be the first major manifest of this new demographic in Europe where the Muslims are replicating like tribbles and the Europeans continue aborting. Regardlesss of all the other things they saidat the time, they were afraid Saddam would cut off the cash and that Muslim youth would start burning down their country, as does happen about every 5 years now. When they are 20% of your population and growing, what are you going to do?

        • Flagstaff

          Only not with Muslims.

    • http://www.FranBaker.com frankieb

      Think Europe, where in many countries the birth rate has fallen dramatically. And this is also one reason immigration – illegal and legal – has become such a hot-button issue. People have quit replacing themselves and good jobs – nurses, doctors, high-tech – have to be filled by “outsiders.”

      • cactusjack

        basic, correct assumption I make: that the Islamic guestworkers, now citizens to the 2nd and 3rd generation in France, Germany, etc., are not assimilating. They are not. They want Sharia, they want Arabic, Turkish, etc. Netherlands got to a breaking point a few years ago with the murder of Rembrandt’s living descendant of same name. France is about to try to say “enough” but it may be too late.

    • aesthete

      For starters, most of these children saved would be born into low-income and inner city households: this implies that the majority would follow the demographic trend lines set forth by their brethren in the inner cities. To calculate the revenues wrought by such a change, one would thus need to model a population where the lower classes have much higher fertility rates than is currently the case. It is, in fact, similar to the economic arguments concerning illegals: essentially, it would probably result in a small to middling net loss for government revenues, due to an increase of those who don’t pay income tax, qualify for needs-based programs, and the criminal trends more prevalent among the lower classes, but a net gain for the economy itself.

      The argument should be made on moral, secular grounds broadly following the Harm Principle: the devout, after all, already have their minds made up on the issue, it’s those who are not as religious who must be convinced that abortion is the equivalent of murder or manslaughter, and that our legal and criminal system should reflect that reality.

  • itsjoanne

    Boozman, Hoeven, Rubio, Paul, and hopefully Angel and Buck.

    Not only is the public trending more pro life, but many conservative politicians are proudly standing up for the unborn as well.

    • mich22

      And, with a lot of luck and perhaps some big unforced errors by Babs Mikulski (MD), we could even get Jim Rutledge in there! I know it’s a long shot, but stranger things have happened.

  • gekster

    If someone supports abortion, then thier mother should be asked if they
    want to retroactively abort the child who supports it.
    If the mother says yes, then those that support abortion should first have thier brains sucked out, and then dismembered and thrown in the trash.

    And they also say that abortion doesn’t hurt the fetus.
    That a fetus feels no pain.
    Well, watch this.
    http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/abortion-the-silent-scream-part-1-2-3-4-5-complete-version-pro-life/a9fe174ba8ca51b14082a9fe174ba8ca51b14082-165690410017?q=the%20silent%20scream&FORM=VIRE3

    I watched it once, but I can’t watch it again.
    My life changed because of it.
    And I feel sorry for those that abort, and those that have been aborted.
    God help us all.

    • NoDoze

      One of the abortion supporters above said, “If you are willing to die for a cause, you must be prepared to kill for it, too.” So, she is saying that she is willing to die for her cause? Then, your proposal of retroactive abortion should be right in line with her ideology. Let’s ask Ma’am Boxer to be consistent, and include the right of her mother to abort her in the law.

      What is the core of the cause that Boxer and all abortionists are willing to kill and die for? Is it the pride of self-ownership? Is it the right of the state to control life and death? Is it the right to unlimited sex? What is truly the core cause of the abortionist?

      • gekster
    • bobbymike

      and “get away” from the instruments before it is aborted it was one I did not have the courage to even watch. I cannot watch it now.

      I read a brief story on the video and was so upset I both wept and was enraged at the same time. I believe Heaven weeps for the aborted.

      All those beautiful babies, murdered. An unspeakable evil. You cannot call a country civilized if it allows such horrors to occur on a daily basis. America is a good and decent country but there had been a genocide occurring for decades.

      It is no longer acceptable to allow this to happen. “The Pursuit of Life….” at conception each one of us begins that journey.

      • gekster

        I had to practicaly force myself to watch it the first time.
        And I won’t watch it again.

        The “non-intelegent” and “non-feeling” baby tries to get away from the instuments, but has no where to go.
        Finally when all hope is lost, it mouths a “silent scream” that only God can hear.

        But the left doesn’t care about them.
        You see, they can’t vote, or voice an opinion.
        All they can do is scream in silence.
        We must do it for them.

  • patriotdadinsandiego

    …but this one dwarfs all of the others combined with plenty of room to spare. My God, what have we done – 50 million lives and counting. I don’t need to point out to anyone here that the Nazis only killed one-fifth (give or take) of this number in the gas chambers and by the firing squads, rationalized by the same abhorrent logic that corrupted the German people – namely justifiable murder as a means to an end. Lori, you continue to astound me with yet another brilliant post – horrifying, saddening, yet on the mark. While I cannot condone violence in kind to stop this ongoing catastrophe, it makes me wonder how we as a moral people can stand by without acting while this continues to go on every day.

  • Tbone

    disposer, one limb at a time, vote for a Democrat.

    This is how I end many of my posts on our local newspaper’s site.

    • aesthete

      The only difference in many cases is whether the dissection begins inside or outside of the uterus.

  • mikerazar

    it is not pro-lifers that rely on religion, but pro-deathers.

    If the the entity known a “human baby” was not a human baby scant minutes ago while still in the birth canal, then only supernatural intervention could explain how a human baby was created in a few seconds just by a non human being sliding down the birth canal. If that ain’t a miracle, what is?

    I’m sick of the deathers trying to enact their personal religious beliefs into law. Have they never heard of the first amendment?

    Understandably Senator Barbie and the other disciples of Peter Singer, realizing their problem, have little choice but to embrace infanticide just to steer clear of the first amendment.

  • throwback59

    some pro-abortionists believe that a baby isn’t really a person until it’s capable of thought. Combine that thinking with the idea that the elderly have a duty to die and you see where this liberal ideology is leading: only the useful and productive have a place in society. That leaves a very narrow window for all of us.

    • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

      He’s not sure when human rights begin. He couldn’t even say that at minimum, human rights (not life) begin at birth.

    • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

      • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

        n/t

      • snowshooze

        In two words.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    Now there’s a bumper stioker I’d buy, especially with the little baby pic (above) on it.

  • renny

    You’d think running political campaigns on abortion would get negative results.

    52% now say they are anti-abortion. We need to see those stats translate into voting.

    • stephaniet

      I read that young people (I forget the age group) are becoming increasingly pro-life. I wonder why that is. No, that wasn’t sarcasm; I really do wonder where that’s coming from! Our schools are handing out condoms to second graders; they’re probably even teaching girls that it’s okay to mutilate a baby and abandon it to die… So what is the reason behind that?

      I think it was Sparta whose citizens abandoned babies they didn’t want on a barren hillside to die. Why? Because they were “weak.”

  • pirate55

    Recent events concerning lawful immigration to this country has found the left decrying conservatives for “demonizing” infants in the wombs of ILLEGAL aliens SNEAKING INTO this country to have their children born as US citizens.

    While such a desire on the part of these ILLEGALS is understandable, it shows the need for securing our borders and supporting LAWFUL immigration, just like the LAWS my grandparents had to adhere to.

    And now we have the left decry Conservatives for questioning the automatic awarding of the privileges of citizenship in the United States to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who sneak into this country just before birth.. This has long been the debate. Yet the left now call on conservatives as hateful, discriminatory savages who decry THE RIGHT TO CITIZENSHIP, THE RIGHT TO LIFE IN AMERICA.

    Where were these very same voices when it came to PRO CHOICE and PLANNED PARENTHOOD in the United States? Are we now going to administer the left’s strong belief in choice up to and including partial birth abortion by waiting at the border soliciting family planning or advising illegal immigrant females of their RIGHT TO CHOICE, their RIGHT TO ABORT?

    We will return to being a Judeo-Christian principled nation my dear members of the left by exposing your hypocrisy and that is with a capital H. Or will you now implore there to be a provision that if the mother promises to raise the child as a card carrying Democrat you plan to look the other way?

  • pamela1631

    I can understand in some circumstances why a woman would have one. A heart rending act that irrevocably changes two lives.

    I had a medical condition that caused six miscarriages. A second and third trimester pregnancy would have caused a uterine tear and death. The only reason I have two living children is a drug that had been approved in early May 1981 and is no longer used. And a lot of prayer. I chose a difficult path.

    I will never tell another woman she must a have child or can’t have a child. No matter what choice is made, she lives with it every day for the rest of her life and grieves.

    • pirate55

      a most difficult subject and my prayers go out to all of those faced with life threatening as well as other difficult decisions. What you describe is not what the concept of pro-life is all about. It is not the pro at any expense including your life. It is about doing the right thing and not merely the convenient thing. I too pray that the dilemma and the distinction can some day be resolved.

      • aesthete

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_uterus

        Whoever can get those to market inexpensively will have my undying gratitude, and a viable way to minimize abortions and to make support for criminalization that much stronger. What the factory and industrialization did for slavery, an artificial uterus can hopefully do for the abortion issue. I would support a full government subsidy of such devices for hospitals, and a requirement for hospitals to purchase and use them if a mother doesn’t want to carry a pregnancy to term naturally.

        • stephaniet

          If the mother doesn’t want to carry the baby, let the baby live anyway, be carried to term in one of those, and then either raised by his mother or adopted. I’m not married yet–heck, I haven’t even started dating yet–but I definitely want children of my own. I might even have to adopt some. I’d love them all. As saccharine as it sounds, I love ‘em already!

  • msctex

    Abortion can and should be limited to the destruction of insentient cells, unaware of their own existence.

    What we’re dealing with here is murder, murder which the Progressive mind can justify because the victim is incapable of raising an inconvenient fuss.

    One murder trial would put this to rest. Were it to occur, I could only hope both the prosecution and defense would subpoena those like Boxer and Obama, and force them to publicly explain their positions in light of what they have said in the past.

    Forcing even a variation of, “I used to believe in murdering babies in their cribs, but now I can see that is wrong” would be sufficient.

  • 4life

    Why do you think Joy Behar asked Ann Rice that question? Is this a new tack by the proaborts? Lets get past that harry ‘it isn’t life’ claim that is so obviously irrational? And yet, this lands them in an even more precarious spot – having to admit it is ending a life and at the same time calling that ‘good’.

    Now we have to cut the ‘These babies are unwanted, do you really want to put women in a situation where they have to give birth to a child they don’t want?’ argument off at the knees too. Because that is really the crux of the matter. So lets nail them on percentages just like Santoram nailed Boxer on birth. How about some questions like: What percentage of women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy, if prevented from getting an abortion, would actually be glad the abortion had been prevented? What percentage of children would be glad they had been born? Ah, now that would be fun conversation to have with Ms. Boxer!

    Great article Lori!

  • stopsocialism

    Like self-proclaimed Christian crazy pelosi, boxer has the blood of MILLIONS of aborted fetuses on her hands.

  • snowshooze

    This stuff is so sick…
    You know, I just cannot figure out where they could find a person that would perform it.
    You would certainly have to realize that burning in hell for all eternity would be too polite of a reward…
    I understand only life threatening medical procedures. The trouble is, even here we have an assitance program for that…
    They accept ALL COMERS. So I can’t trust that because they abuse it too.
    There have been abortions in my family, at least two sisters.
    A very painful thing to admit.
    You know what they solved?
    Nothing. They both got pregnant again. They both eventually had children.
    All the abortions did was to kill a life, and put off the eventual reality. And, not for long. They made no good impact on the lives of the mothers, zero. No change in attitude, no change in lifestyle…nothing.

  • sinclairreportdotcom

    George Will’s article about crazy Califofornia is ver informative. He could have picked any number of headlines to use, from Boxer’s own words, to the fly being on the endangered species list, or the fish being distrubed by water flow. We need more George Wills out there.

  • klesb

    Killing a baby that has only 90% through the birth canal or earlier is murder of an innocent life – and Constitutional. Although you would scream if you saw it being done to a puppy! Killing a person who has violated societies norms by taking an innocent life is also Constitutional. Why is it not possible to see that there is a significant moral difference between the two?

  • marstep

    Abortion advocates are generally motivated by two things; genetically and functionally defective physiologic brain function, and lifestyle convenience.

    They have, however, created a fascinating legal concept of ‘viability’ as a determinant of life or death, i.e., murder. Ms. Boxer represents an exquisite model. Should Ms. fail to be re-elected she would naturally be no longer viable within the lunatic fringe. Thus she should have an instrument pierce her skull and suck out her brain.

    How about commencing a look at the well established legal principle prohibiting Cruel and Unusual Punishment.

    I think the issue should be introduced before the Supreme Court for a examination and determination in the question of Cruel and or Unusual Punishment. The question of viability, if insisted upon, is one of interest. If it can be scientifically demonstrated that the fetus is viable enough to react to known painful stimuli associated with any and all abortive procedures, the infliction of such pain would violate the Cruel and Unusual proscription.

    The abortionists are loosing ground continuously. Once a public is aware of fetus pain in the context Cruel and Unusual, I for one, would not like to publicly identify as pro-painful killing of babies, inside or out the mother’s body.

  • stephaniet

    the textbook went into extreme detail about the various abortion procedures. I remember sitting hunched over that book, sobbing. The horror of it has stuck with me in the three years since then. Whenever I hear about someone calling a child an accident, something inside me just snaps, and I just want to punch their lights out…

    There’s a crisis pregnancy center right down the street from my house. I wonder if they’d accept volunteers.

    Good post, Lori. I’m going to go say a prayer for the little lives snuffed out.

  • tom721

    This thought crossed my mind: why not mandate reversible tubal ligation in order to get an elective abortion? Guttmacher says:

    Guttmacher Policy Review
    Spring 2007, Volume 10, Number 2

    “About half of all U.S. women having an abortion have had one previously. This fact

  • clariancall

    The good doctor seems to be suffering from buyers remorse. Remorse from buying into the abortion industry as a way of making a living. We know it’s tough making a living as real doctor and much easier to kill babies much the same as cattle in a slaughterhouse!

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